Official Seahawks vs 49er Post Game Thread

[savvyman]

A good solid come from behind victory which is just what the Doctor ordered for a team that is preparing for the biggest game of the year.

Next week game is the highest stakes- Win and we can win the Home field advantage throughout the playoffs - Lose and we will be just a wild card team.

Congrats to the 49ers who played with a lot of heart in the game today.

[NorthHawk]

How did we come out regarding injuries?
I hear Okung has a pec injury, I hope it's not torn, but who else got dinged?

[Seahawks4Ever]

I still want to know why Okung pushed the trainer, was he trying to show him his pect was OK?

[Hawktawk]

I heard Okung was spitting up blood. I hope it wasnt a lung or rib issue. That was caused by a totally hormonal decision by PC to throw the ball from the 30 with 8 seconds and no timeouts. Hey it was a great win today but some of the game mismanagement by the coaches made it harder than it needed to be. We will not beat AZ with that many mistakes, I dont care if they start the water boy at QB. Still great win its all in front of them still, even more so with the GB loss. GO HAWKS!!!

[RiverDog]

Yea, I was disappointed in Okung's pushing of the trainer. It looked like the poor guy was just trying to do his job.

Bad news first: Horrible decision to try to improve on field position with 8 seconds left. Hauska is money inside 50 and we were getting the ball first in the 2nd half. I don't know WTF Russell was throwing it over the middle 10 yards short of the end zone with 8 seconds and no timeouts. That was his worse decision all year. Bad decision by Pete to challenge Crabtree's catch for a first down. Lots of penalties, most unforced or pre snap. I'm so exasperated about our undisciplined ways that I've given up complaining about it. Britt got caught clipping on exactly the same type of play last week. Where in the hell is Cable?

Good news: The whole team really sucked it up in the second half. Pete's complaining about the inequity of penalty calls may have paid dividends on that horrible roughing the passer call. As it turned out, 6 points probably would have stood up just as much as 10, but we'll never know for sure. The network guys sure made a big deal out of it. There was a critical PI that the refs missed in the first half that they didn't say hardly a word about. Beast was a difference maker today. Bruce Irvin is really playing well the second half of the season. I was wrong about him. He's a solid LB, not All Pro but solid.

[burrrton]

Pete's complaining about the inequity of penalty calls may have paid dividends on that horrible roughing the passer call. As it turned out, 6 points probably would have stood up just as much as 10, but we'll never know for sure. The network guys sure made a big deal out of it.

It was a questionable call at worst. Buck and Aikman shtting the bed over it was misplaced rage- the guy lowered his crown a touch and tried to plant Wilson.

Aikman made himself sound stupid saying he kept his face up- he didn't, and I think that, plus carrying out the plant of the QB, got him flagged.

[politicalfootball]

We did just what we were supposed to do
I was not impressed with the miners at all. They did nothing in the second half to impress me
We had a great ground game and ate up the clock
Baldwin was lights out all game long. This team was not challenged and are also a second half team
so they basically toyed with the opponent IMHO.

[burrrton]

Tell you what - if we can have success in the playoffs with *this* offensive line, it's a miracle.

[RiverDog]

It was a questionable call at worst. Buck and Aikman shtting the bed over it was misplaced rage- the guy lowered his crown a touch and tried to plant Wilson.

Aikman made himself sound stupid saying he kept his face up- he didn't, and I think that, plus carrying out the plant of the QB, got him flagged.

I thought it was a really bad call, but the TV guys made waaaaay too big of a deal out of it. To hear them tell it, the entire game hinged on that one call.

[burrrton]

I thought it was a really bad call, but the TV guys made waaaaay too big of a deal out of it. To hear them tell it, the entire game hinged on that one call.

Yep- so they would have only lost by 6 instead of 10- get over it, Troy.

That said, watch the play on your DVR- the guy lowers his crown into RW's chest. He doesn't get him with the very top of his helmet, but it ain't his facemask, either.

I wouldn't have bitched had they not called roughing, but I will say I would have considered it yet another example of the refs letting RW take punishment they protect other QBs from taking.

In the end analysis, it was just a call that could have gone either way, and Troy and Buck sounded stupid.

[c_hawkbob]

Okung shoving the trainer ain't no thang at all. Dude was mad as hell to start with, was spitting up blood and had a chest injury (I doubt they're related) but was still wanting back in the game ... the trainer probably probed the body part that hurt is all. I guarantee you the trainer has ain't worrying about it. It's no more than a "war story" at the end of the day.

As for the game, it was a good, hard fought game against an opponent that, record aside, is still a top quality group of football players. We weren't tackling as well as we usually do in the first half, and our offensive line had a terribly inconsistent game, but overall this was a great, satisfying win and I enjoyed the hell out of it.

[monkey]

Troy and Buck sound stupid every game, so nothing new there.
I can't stand listening to those two haters/idiots. Buck in particular is just incredibly stupid, and even though I know it's mean spirited, sometimes I wish he'd lose his voice permanently. I usually turn the sound off when watching those two pin heads.

Aside from that, all I have to say is

[politicalfootball]

Agree with chawkbob about the OL we need help soon

[Zorn76]

First off - great win.
We played a very determined team today who's defense played very hard. SF did not limp in here and take a beating.

Second - It was a terrible call on roughing the passer. Sorry, but it just was, and we caught a Huge break on the drive because of it. With plays like that I flip the circumstances, and ask myself, would that call be fair if it went against us?

No way. The game also changed dramatically when Gore got knocked out (er, knocked himself out, really), along with Hyde shortly thereafter.

Not saying we only won because of these events, but it was a game where we needed all the help we could get, and we got it.

Meanwhile, our D played awesome once again. Holding the 49ers to just 7 pts is solid work, even if their offense has been garbage for weeks now. On that side of the ball, we are playoff ready.

RW? Eh, tough game for him. Nice long completion and he did throw a TD pass, but he hangs onto the ball way too long at times, and it cost us a shot at a FG. He also threw a terrible pass that was picked, and had it been completed, we woulda ran out of time to kick for 3 anyway.

He is Awesome, pure and simple, but those kinds of mistakes are very preventable, and he'll need to focus on that for the playoffs especially.

Today was reminder of what a tough defense looks like. SF prepped us well for next week, because we'll be facing another formidable D from AZ.

We took care of business, and got our 10th win. That's the important thing.

Go Seahawks!!!

[Futureite]

Hey guys, congrats. First time I've had a chance to look or post since the game.

I think Hawks are in championchip form. Your run game and D are virtually unstoppable over a full 4 qtrs, and Wilson makes great plays when they are needed. The roughing passer call was terrible, but would we have won without it? No. That is why I let it go. I knew we weren't going to score a 4th qtr TD anyway, especially V that D. Final score woulda been 13-7 or something similar.

Not sure what else there is to say about it. Typical defensive battlle and I know some of you disagree, but the difference always seens to be that we cannot stop Lynch in the 2nd half and you guys stop Gore (or in this case, his oft injured replacements). Same story as Champ game last yr. Oh and Wilson's tackle on Reid to end the half was huge. Though even if he had scored to put us ahead 14-3 I still don't think we'd have won. Woulda just lost in more painful fashion.

Anyhow, great game and good luck next week.

[jshawaii22]

That 'last play of the 1st half should never of been a pass over the middle to the 10 yard line with one of the best FG kickers in the NFL sitting on the sidelines.
There, I said it. Pete should know that the points were more important down 7-3 and playing flat in the first 1/2.

49ers have a lot of issues to deal with, health of the players being one of the more obvious ones. Their OLine just doesn't look like the one from last year and your use or unuse of your all-pro tight end is shocking.
Future, what do you think is going to happen to your coach and Kaep this off-season?

js

[RiverDog]

Yep- so they would have only lost by 6 instead of 10- get over it, Troy.

That said, watch the play on your DVR- the guy lowers his crown into RW's chest. He doesn't get him with the very top of his helmet, but it ain't his facemask, either.

I wouldn't have bitched had they not called roughing, but I will say I would have considered it yet another example of the refs letting RW take punishment they protect other QBs from taking.

In the end analysis, it was just a call that could have gone either way, and Troy and Buck sounded stupid.

In general, I don't like seeing controversial calls being made at critical junctures of games, and I think they've gone way overboard on protecting the quarterback. Do you remember how we were all torqued about Earl's roughing of Tannehill a couple of years ago? I see this one as being the exact same thing, the tackler tried not to target the head.

CBob, you are making a big assumption that the trainer touched a sensitive part of Okung's body. It sure didn't look to me like he put very much pressure on Okung's chest at all, that he barely touched him, then got physical with a guy half his size. I understand Okung being amped up and extremely disappointed to have to leave a big game and his actions are very understandable, but even if the trainer did cause him some pain, he still owes the man an apology. He was only trying to help.

[Hawktawk]

I felt like punching the TV screen listening to those two whining pretty boys. They are the most annoying annoying broadcasters on the air.Way TMI.

[Hawktawk]

Seattle has had so many FD up calls and no calls for years I don't give a rip. The call was borderline and as has been said is a makeup for the half dozen times Wilson has been hit late ,driven into the ground, hit in the head, hit after sliding etc.. We will take it and not feel bad about it at all.Just one call that went our way for once.Peyton Manning and Tom Brady get that one every time BTW. Why not Russ?

See ya next year Whiners and COLON SACKORPICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!LOSERS

[burrrton]

I think they've gone way overboard on protecting the quarterback.

I agree, and I agree on this being similarly ticky-tack to ET's call (if I'm remembering the right one- where he jumped and his arm happened to hit the QB in the head**?).

My point, though, is that everyone's problem should be with the BS set of rules, not with the call itself which was borderline but correct, or at least it's easily arguable as such.

He dropped his helmet into RW's chest, and that frequently draws a flag whatever our opinions of the ridiculousness of the rules. It wasn't a "blown call".

[edit]

**If so, ET's was a little less defensible because ET didn't intend to hit him with his arm at all- the contact was mostly incidental after he tried to block the pass.

[burrrton]

Thought I should post this since I'm arguing about the legitimacy of the call:

NFL says Hochuli got the call wrong:

""It’s close, but when you look at it on tape, Moody’s head is up, he hits with more the side or the facemask to the body of the quarterback. So in our review, with the ability to look at it in slow motion, it is not a foul," Blandino said."

Hochuli says hitting with the forehead is a foul, the NFL is saying he didn't hit with his forehead. I've watched it a number of times in slo-mo, too, and I see the forehead hitting. What's everyone else think?

[c_hawkbob]

CBob, you are making a big assumption that the trainer touched a sensitive part of Okung's body. It sure didn't look to me like he put very much pressure on Okung's chest at all, that he barely touched him, then got physical with a guy half his size. I understand Okung being amped up and extremely disappointed to have to leave a big game and his actions are very understandable, but even if the trainer did cause him some pain, he still owes the man an apology. He was only trying to help.

Big assumption? Whatever, no bigger than your assumption that if you didn't see it it didn't happen.

The point is who cares? You making a big deal of it is just silly. It was the least important thing that happened in that game.

I mean, a football player getting physical? (in my best Mona Lisa Vito): "Oh my Gawd!"

[mykc14]

Thought I should post this since I'm arguing about the legitimacy of the call:

NFL says Hochuli got the call wrong:

""It’s close, but when you look at it on tape, Moody’s head is up, he hits with more the side or the facemask to the body of the quarterback. So in our review, with the ability to look at it in slow motion, it is not a foul," Blandino said."

Hochuli says hitting with the forehead is a foul, the NFL is saying he didn't hit with his forehead. I've watched it a number of times in slo-mo, too, and I see the forehead hitting. What's everyone else think?

This is why these calls are so ridiculous at times. It was a borderline call either way. Watching it in-slow motion it looks like he does hit him with the 'crown' of his helmet and there is no doubt it is in the chest, but a split second later his facemask is up. IMO Hochuli was justified in throwing the flag and I think he explained why he threw it perfectly at the same time I hate the call and wish it were never called. Blandino, again looking in slow motion sees that he hits him 'with more the side or the facemask to the body' but either way it is bang-bang and he has to make that call without the aid of slow motion. It is like a borderline PI call, I wish that it weren't ever called but it often is. Either way I am not going to apologize for it as we have had our fair share of borderline calls that have gone against us this year.

[Long Time Fan]

Okung shoving the trainer ain't no thang at all. Dude was mad as hell .

Agreed. I like that an offensive lineman is showing a little piss and vinegar.

[Long Time Fan]

I noticed on the stat sheet that SF actually had more penalties and yardage accessed against them. When was the last time that an opponent out-penaltied the Seahawks. About damn time if only for the statistical probability.

[NorthHawk]

Don't sweat the numbers, penalties tend to even out in the fullness of time.

[HumanCockroach]

Cool, Seattle is due for like ten years of no calls coming up anytime now

[HumanCockroach]

IMHO the hit on Wilson was almost a perfect form tackle, one that has been taught for 50 years. Thought it was an abysmal call, that said, can't count how many times Wilson should have drawn a flag with no call this year alone, so F it.

[Hawkstar]

IMHO the hit on Wilson was almost a perfect form tackle, one that has been taught for 50 years. Thought it was an abysmal call, that said, can't count how many times Wilson should have drawn a flag with no call this year alone, so F it.

It sure looked like a perfect form tackle to me - I'm not sure what more you can ask a defensive player to do.

I get the Santa Clara fans are upset, I'd be as well. It was a terrible call. Did it change the outcome, maybe. I'm 90.6% sure Hauschka makes the FG and we extend our lead. The Santa Clara folk seem to forget they barely crossed midfield in second half.

[NorthHawk]

Maybe they now have to transition to using their shoulder to the trunk instead of leading with the head.
I didn't think it was a penalty either, but if it's going to be close enough for the Ref to consider throwing a flag, maybe using the shoulder more and wrapping up will eliminate that.

[burrrton]

Maybe they now have to transition to using their shoulder to the trunk instead of leading with the head.

Or keeping the face up- Moody didn't.

It sure looked like a perfect form tackle to me - I'm not sure what more you can ask a defensive player to do.

Assuming no rule change, you can ask them to not do what he did to a QB.

[NorthHawk]

Maybe they now have to transition to using their shoulder to the trunk instead of leading with the head.

Or keeping the face up- Moody didn't.

It sure looked like a perfect form tackle to me - I'm not sure what more you can ask a defensive player to do.

Assuming no rule change, you can ask them to not do what he did to a QB.[/quote]

I think it must be difficult to get low enough with a shorter QB to not hit the QBs head and still get his own head up.
I imagine trying to be almost horizontal and trying to lift my head enough to not hit with some part of the crown. It seems to me to be fairly difficult.

[burrrton]

I think it must be difficult to get low enough with a shorter QB to not hit the QBs head and still get his own head up.
I imagine trying to be almost horizontal and trying to lift my head enough to not hit with some part of the crown. It seems to me to be fairly difficult.

Agreed. So let's carve out a "short QB" exception, but until then, it was nothing more than a borderline call that (finally) went in the Hawks' favor.

[mykc14]

I think it must be difficult to get low enough with a shorter QB to not hit the QBs head and still get his own head up.
I imagine trying to be almost horizontal and trying to lift my head enough to not hit with some part of the crown. It seems to me to be fairly difficult.

It might be hard to adjust for the size of a QB but they have to do the same thing with the different heights of receivers, it can be difficult but that's just what you have to do.

[Zorn76]

If a call like Moody's hit on RW has to be examined this closely, then it's a bad call, IMO.

It was a bang/bang play, and his hit - no matter what the current rule is - was acceptable.

Bottom line: The league needs to re-examine some of these rules.

If that were say, Wagner, putting an identical hit on Kaepernick in that situation, then we'd be Pizzed about the flag.

I want our guys to be able to deliver hits like that on opposing QB's, and when I saw the penalty - while happy we caught a huge break at that point in the game - I knew the call was b.s. right after I saw it.

Just because it benefited us tremendously doesn't mean it was the right judgement by the ref.

the competition committee needs to look at stuff like this, because sooner or later, these kinds of krap calls are going to go against us, and at precisely the worst time possible.

[NorthHawk]

"NorthHawk"

I think it must be difficult to get low enough with a shorter QB to not hit the QBs head and still get his own head up.
I imagine trying to be almost horizontal and trying to lift my head enough to not hit with some part of the crown. It seems to me to be fairly difficult.[/quote]

It might be hard to adjust for the size of a QB but they have to do the same thing with the different heights of receivers, it can be difficult but that's just what you have to do.

DL don't usually tackle receivers, so there is a difference.
The DBs are often shorter and more athletic in the sense of flexibility and quickness to make a better adjustment than DTs.
That's why I suggested if these types of calls become commonplace then they may have to adjust their tackling style.

[burrrton]

Zorn, I don't really disagree with you, but like you say, it's a product of putting all those rules about what you can and can't hit with, and who you can hit, and all the rest.

If we don't want flags being thrown for hits like that, the solution is to change the rules, not sht the bed when a ref interpreted the hit as slightly worse than he probably should have.

[edit]

This reminds me of the "Fail Mary" call in a couple ways:

1. How the play looked in real time vs slo-mo was different.
2. Everyone portrayed it as the worst call ever made when, right or wrong, it was actually pretty dmn defensible.

[Zorn76]

burrrton - No worries.

As Seahawks fans, we've been the recipient of plenty of bad calls, so in that regard I don't have too much compassion for other teams, particularly divisional rivals.

I just think the league would do itself a big favor by examining this kinda stuff again and rethink their position on what is and isn't legit. I saw it as an honest, solid hit on a QB, even if it was our own.

And if I were to see that kind of hit again involving two different teams, I'd feel the same way. I just feel it's a bad look for the NFL to penalize that.

[monkey]

Frankly, I am tried of hearing the whining about this call...it was a bang bang, borderline play, one similar to calls we have seen go against us for many years.
Bottom line, this was NOT the reason the Niners lost, it's just the reason they'll give. In this case though I can't blame the Whiners fans so much as the media fueling this nonsense.
Joe Buck needs to shut the buck up, honestly.

[c_hawkbob]

Well as long as we're being frank, I think it was a terrible call but I just don't give a damn. From Vinny's helmet TD to the whole of XL we've go so much make up due in our bank Fail Mary and what ever they wind up calling this one don't even make an appreciable dent.

Next.