Wilson sets new standard

[Anthony]

Per Ed Werder Tweet;

"Russell Wilson says he tries he tries to combine the smarts of Peyton Manning, the throws of Aaron Rodgers . .".

Please google the Tweet, cannot even remember it all. Tom Brady is mentioned.

Now I already know the response: "Well everyone tries to do that, he just strives for it. He isn't saying he DOES it". It's chalk full of everything but humility any way you slice it.

Please. The guy has opened his game up to all kinds of scrutiny by talking like this, talking about being the greatest QB ever, etc. LOL and you guys are STILL claiming he didn't make the ROTY comment. As if that is such a stretch after absurd comments like this.

Dude is a really good QB and I actually like watching him play. But for F's sake nobody has room left to get as ticked as some of you do when other people disagree with the subhuman characteristics he is promoting. Bis ego is bigger than this planet right now.

Now find wee he said it? Prove it? At this point it is just another one of your lies. And lets for argument sake say its true he said Try, not does, but try so as usually you are trying to twist it into something it is not, and it shows just what a lying moron you really are. As to the ROY the year comment still waiting for you to prove it, at this point its just another lie.

[burrrton]

It's the perfect demonstration of how badly this team has mind-fcked Future- "I want to do it like [insert all-time great]" is some kind of "subhuman" statement to him.

Jesus.

[HumanCockroach]

Ed Werder Edwerderespn

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Russell Wilson says he tries to combine smart of Peyton Manning, variety of throws by Aaron Rodgers, accuracy of Drew Brees, clutch of Brady

I'll post Ed Werders tweet. Not sure I see anything REMOTELY conceded with what Ed tweeted, or even if this IS what Wilson said ( you know it's a tweet right?).

Far more important to me would be THIS tweet Werder submitted....

Ed Werder Edwerderespn

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DangeRussWilson spends Tuesdays at children's hospital. Most important thing in today's media session was final remark: "Beat cancer.''

Keeping 100% in line with his "ego". Sorry, simply not seeing anywhere on the Werder feed where Wilson in anyway shape or form, draws attention to himself. He admires aspects of OTHER players, and sets a very high bar, but brags or talks about himself? Nope narry a word.

[monkey]

I think someone needs to check up on Captain Eye Test, his sanity (what little he had) seems to have snapped.
When you claim that a guy who is complimenting great QB's, and the qualities they possess which he wants to emulate is ego driven, you're tentative grasp on reality has slipped!

[Futureite]

LOL!

First the no rebut to Alex Smith stats and now several of you look like complete fools for lauding this guy's humility left and right. I told you years ago that he was just as cocky as any "douche" on our team.

https://twitter.com/Edwerderespn/status ... 4194808833

Tell me what the eye test says here. You like Richard Sherman? I can throw things right back at you the same way he does. You told me for years this guy was humble. Another thing that I only mildly suggested was not entirely true, which was in turn met with more venom that 5 Arizona rattlesnakes.

Some times I'm wrong. Not this time.

[Futureite]

Ed Werder Edwerderespn

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Russell Wilson says he tries to combine smart of Peyton Manning, variety of throws by Aaron Rodgers, accuracy of Drew Brees, clutch of Brady

I'll post Ed Werders tweet. Not sure I see anything REMOTELY conceded with what Ed tweeted, or even if this IS what Wilson said ( you know it's a tweet right?).

Far more important to me would be THIS tweet Werder submitted....

Ed Werder Edwerderespn

@

DangeRussWilson spends Tuesdays at children's hospital. Most important thing in today's media session was final remark: "Beat cancer.''

Keeping 100% in line with his "ego". Sorry, simply not seeing anywhere on the Werder feed where Wilson in anyway shape or form, draws attention to himself. He admires aspects of OTHER players, and sets a very high bar, but brags or talks about himself? Nope narry a word.

Well hey, I try to combine the logic of Albert Einstein, the creativity of Paul McCartney, and the morality of Mother Theresa in my life....I only try. Doesn't mean I succeed. Those are just my goals.

Stop it with the nonsense. It's absurd to compare yourself in any way, shape or form to 4 all-time greats in one quote. It goes without saying that every QB "tries" to play to the top of their game. The references were as egotistical as one could possibly get. And the only reason I bring them up is for the 1,000+ derogatory comments your entire city has made towards our own QB.

Yes, I can see that he does a lot for charity. I am sure he is a pretty awesome dude and probably a great human being (which by the way, is true of plenty of other players). Doesn't mean he's not full of himself at the moment. Mr. "I was made for these moments".

[HumanCockroach]

Interesting, don't see a quote, I see a tweet by a person named Ed Werder.

Might want to keep working on who you are attempting to emulate in your life, something tells me you are falling WAAAAAAAYYYYYY short of your goals.

As for Smith, not sure if you're blind, drunk or simply illiterate, as there are NUMEROUS response to that moronic statement, if you took the time to read.

As for Wilson's ego, I simply don't see any reason to respond any further, the tweet is there ( of course provided by me, as you simply refuse to ever back anything up) that tweet by another person ( meaning limited to a certain amount of characters, and so by definition , NOT a quote) doesn't need to be defended, explained, or discussed because only someone with an obvious agenda would make an issue out of it, I see nothing but compliments for what makes OTHER players special, not a claim to possess it all.

[RiverDog]

Well hey, I try to combine the logic of Albert Einstein, the creativity of Paul McCartney, and the morality of Mother Theresa in my life....I only try. Doesn't mean I succeed. Those are just my goals.

Stop it with the nonsense. It's absurd to compare yourself in any way, shape or form to 4 all-time greats in one quote. It goes without saying that every QB "tries" to play to the top of their game. The references were as egotistical as one could possibly get. And the only reason I bring them up is for the 1,000+ derogatory comments your entire city has made towards our own QB.

Yes, I can see that he does a lot for charity. I am sure he is a pretty awesome dude and probably a great human being (which by the way, is true of plenty of other players). Doesn't mean he's not full of himself at the moment. Mr. "I was made for these moments".

Any way, shape, or form? He is an NFL quarterback that has a lot of attributes that he shares with each one of those players. I simply don't get what is so egotistical about him saying that he is striving to duplicate the traits of some of the games best players.

What's absurd is comparing your quarterback's personality, of whom has ticked off a number of fans in your base, to Russell Wilson, who has ticked off no one that I know of in ours.

[HumanCockroach]

LOL!

First the no rebut to Alex Smith stats and now several of you look like complete fools for lauding this guy's humility left and right. I told you years ago that he was just as cocky as any "douche" on our team.

https://twitter.com/Edwerderespn/status ... 4194808833

Tell me what the eye test says here. You like Richard Sherman? I can throw things right back at you the same way he does. You told me for years this guy was humble. Another thing that I only mildly suggested was not entirely true, which was in turn met with more venom that 5 Arizona rattlesnakes.

Some times I'm wrong. Not this time.

1)Shouldn't that say "usually" I'm wrong, and this time I am again?

2) amazing you posted a link, yet when asked for those things, your excuse time and again is "my phone doesn't let me" along with " I can't access links on my phone" ( yet somehow I suppose you can access this particular site. Forgive us if we find that not only odd, but IMPOSSIBLE)R

3) You're not throwing anything back, and have yet to show me a thing that shows cockiness or doochieness, nothing.

4) You once again take something someone ELSE said, and pronounce it "set in stone" and a quote ( when a text doesn't allow a full quote, OR context. Ignoring conveniently, that when Wilson was ACTUALLY quoted there was those weird " " things around such)

5) as usual you are indeed wrong again, and your bias, and tendancies are in full display, to the point where one of the ONLY posters that has defended you has started to call you on your trollish BS.

6) lying about Wilson ( and Sherman, and Carroll, and just about anyone else you feel the urge to) is something that isn't new to you, and nothing in that tweet, or that has ever been verified by you or anyone else, changes that you are simply doing so, yet again.

7) your drivel goes BEYOND opinion, and certainly ISN'T unbiased. You ARE posting with the specific intent to create animosity, and upheavel, which is by the very definition a troll.

[obiken]

Mike Francesca, on Fox Sports says the same thing as futurite, He says that RW is a good not a great QB. He plays for a great team, that anyone could have Qb'd the SB. I don't agree of course. I think to be good game manager and not throw the game away at a crucial moment it a great skill. Star, Griese, and Sims all had it. Sorry I don't think Jake Cutler could win as the Hawk QB.

[Anthony]

LOL!

First the no rebut to Alex Smith stats and now several of you look like complete fools for lauding this guy's humility left and right. I told you years ago that he was just as cocky as any "douche" on our team.

https://twitter.com/Edwerderespn/status ... 4194808833

Tell me what the eye test says here. You like Richard Sherman? I can throw things right back at you the same way he does. You told me for years this guy was humble. Another thing that I only mildly suggested was not entirely true, which was in turn met with more venom that 5 Arizona rattlesnakes.

Some times I'm wrong. Not this time.

Hmm no quote saying Wilson said it, plenty ion this thread have rebutted the whole Alex Smith thing your just to stupid to read it, and the rest as they say is crap, oh one thing though your always wrong, and a liar.

[Anthony]

Mike Francesca, on Fox Sports says the same thing as futurite, He says that RW is a good not a great QB. He plays for a great team, that anyone could have Qb'd the SB. I don't agree of course. I think to be good game manager and not throw the game away at a crucial moment it a great skill. Star, Griese, and Sims all had it. Sorry I don't think Jake Cutler could win as the Hawk QB.

So what if Mike says that, there are analysts starting to question Luck. There is always 1 or 2 but by and large most think Wilson is a great QB, who is essential to the hawks winning. Heck Cater aid it is widely talked about around ESPN as Wilson is the only QB who could succeed in the Seattle offense. So what Mike says means little, also keep in mind Mike does not make up and lie about things to make his point like Future does.

[burrrton]

Captain Eye Test, you say no one rebutted your Alex Smith "points"'? Yes, I did- you're just too stupid to recognize it.

Another example of your magnificent ability to process information:

Well hey, I try to combine the logic of Albert Einstein, the creativity of Paul McCartney, and the morality of Mother Theresa in my life...

You see the difference between "I try to be X, Y, and Z" (where variables are examples of greatness) and "I think I combine all the best qualities of X, Y, and Z"??

If you're not just too dmn dim to recognize the difference, your childish dismissal of "OH BUT I SUPPOSE HE JUST TRIES TO EMULATE THEM SO IT'S OK RIGHT HUH?" makes you a spectacularly bad troll.

Future, I'm not even sure you're worth responding to anymore. You're so hung up on this team and its personalities you don't know which direction is up anymore. Essentially your participation here is amounting to nothing more than one long announcement that the Seahawks make your pants tight.

several of you look like complete fools

Well, at least one person in this thread does.

[Hawktawk]

I could give a rip about what Ed frigging Werder has to say. Sounds perfectly Russell Wilson to verbalize his lofty goals. Its why his win percentage and passer rating are off the charts. Most of the fan comments are clearly from haters who are jealous fans of lousy teams Seattle dominates.

Oh and I really could care less about what the 9er troll thinks about Wilson. he has more class in his little finger than Sackorpick has in his entire tattoo infested body. Not too sure why a fan of another team would be on our forum spewing venom about our best players every day.

[burrrton]

Not too sure why a fan of another team would be on our forum spewing venom about our best players every day.

Here's why:

Essentially your participation here is amounting to nothing more than one long announcement that the Seahawks make your pants tight.

[Futureite]

Mike Francesca, on Fox Sports says the same thing as futurite, He says that RW is a good not a great QB. He plays for a great team, that anyone could have Qb'd the SB. I don't agree of course. I think to be good game manager and not throw the game away at a crucial moment it a great skill. Star, Griese, and Sims all had it. Sorry I don't think Jake Cutler could win as the Hawk QB.

I'd say he's better than "good". But look at the comments when I analyze him in the context of "great". The man himself draws comparisons to 4 all-time greats in one quote. You bring a high degree of scrutiny upon yourself whenever you make statements like that, in any endeavor, in any context, in any frame of reference. As does HC when he puts up a thread entitled "setting the standard".

Some people become completely irrational and cannot handle a realistic discussion. I've said many times he's very good. Stating that he's #10 means he's better than 22 other starting QBs. There is a much higher burden of proof for "great" or "setting the standard" though. He's not hitting either of those standards no matter how many stats anyone quotes. It's a team game and we all see the great things that he does in the context of the team he plays for.

It's not as if my opinion is in left field. There is an entire country and pool of players that did not vote him to the pro bowl. That says something. It says my opinion on almost all things Russell Wilson is a lot closer to the commonly held opinion than the author of this thread and a good number of people posting about the topic of it.

[Futureite]

I just scrolled through 3 pages of comments and there is no one addressed the Alex Smith stat comparison.

When did this supposedly happen? Where did someone prove how and why Russell Wilson's 109 postseason QB rating is discernible from Alex Smith's 108 postseason QB rating? In fact, at the NFC Championchip game that I attended, Alex Smith played much better game than Russell Wilson, by throwing 2 TDs and 0 turnovers to Russell Wilson's 1 TD and 2 turnovers.

So cut the bullshit. If our D had created 3 turnovers or whatever yours had that day instead of the 0 ours put up we'd be talking about Alex Freakin' Smith's ring and his clutch postseason career.

Please direct me to where this Alex Smith/Russell Wilson postseason stat comparison was dissected and broken down. I don't need a full comparison of their entire careers.

Did not happen on this thread.

[HumanCockroach]

You can't be so ignorant that you would put we'll see what he does in the context of his team later in the thread, and so adamantly dismiss his success BECAUSE of his team earlier in the same thread, can you?

I put up stats, and information about the level he's performing, whether you want to acknowledge that or not is entirely up to you. By the way rocket scientist, if being voted to the Pro Bowl was the end all be all, how would you go about explaining that every year, until this season he WAS voted into it? And he sit's right there as the first alternate again this year. You can dismiss what you want, but at least come up with more than " this writer over here agree's with me" or the " my eye test" stuff, there was also writers that knocked his selection, said he would never start a game, and that he wouldn't be successful if he did. Opinions are like a**holes, everyone has one

[HumanCockroach]

I just scrolled through 3 pages of comments and there is no one addressed the Alex Smith stat comparison

Re: Wilson sets new standard by HumanCockroach » Thu Jan 15, 2015 8:49 am

Answer, since you have mounds of evidence in front of you: Is Alex Smith an elite QB?

Show me the "mounds" of evidence. There isn't mounds of evidence for Smith is there? He hasn't QUALIFIED to be listed, because he hasn't met the MINIMUM to even be considered, get back to me when you have more evidence than a 1-2 record in the post season, and numerous NFL records on Smith's ledger, until then, your grasping, and you should know it, even if you refuse to acknowledge it.

You were saying Captain?

[Futureite]

You can't be so ignorant that you would pu we'll see what he does in the context of his team later in the thread, and so adamantly dismiss his success BECAUSE of his team earlier in the same thread, can you?

I put up stats, and information about the level he's performing, whether you want to acknowledge that or not is entirely up to you. By the way rocket scientist, if being voted to the Pro Bowl was the end all be all, how would you go about explaining that every year, until this season he WAS voted into it? And he sit's right there as the first alternate again this year. You can dismiss what you want, but at least come up with more than " this writer over here agree's with me" or the " my eye test" stuff, there was also writers that knocked his selection, said he would never start a game, and that he wouldn't be successful if he did. Opinions are like a**holes, everyone has one

You just ignored my question entirely. Show me how and why Russell Wilson's 109 postseason rating is any different than Alex's 108 rating. You are dancing around this without directly analyzing it. Why? Because you know damn well that the only way you can separate the two is by using the "eye" test which you fools always harp on me for.

[Futureite]

Also, this little Eff Anthony that always calls me a liar stated earlier in 2011 your D was ranked 21st and RW increased its efficiency by playing great ball. Huh?

In 2011 your D was ranked 9th in total yds, 7th in scoring. There was even a thread directed at whether it could become a "Top 5 D". I even remember that. It was already a very good D.

"More lies. Lies and more lies".

Shut. Up.

The team around him was almost complete when he stepped in. They needed better QB play and they got it. Period.

[HumanCockroach]

I guess you have to be able to READ and COMPREHEND in order to understand the post. Basically, Smith hasn't attempted enough passes, or accomplished REMOTELY the things Wilson has accomplished, hasn't been successful IN the post season, or the regular season for that matter, on the level Wilson has.

Not my problem if you aren't smart enough to tell the difference between the two. If a RB has one carry, and scores a 40 yard TD, am I going to say he is better than Sanders ever was? Of course not, that's stupid, as is your point here. Figure it out, Mr. Objectivity.

[burrrton]

Some people become completely irrational and cannot handle a realistic discussion.

Tell us all more about your thoughts on "realistic discussions", Captain Eye Test.

I just scrolled through 3 pages of comments and there is no one addressed the Alex Smith stat comparison

LOL.

[burrrton]

Why? Because you know damn well that the only way you can separate the two is by using the "eye" test which you fools always harp on me for.

Aw, Capt. Eye Test is butthurt.

(and no, that's not why, dumb@ss, but you know that, don't you?)

[RiverDog]

Also, this little Eff Anthony that always calls me a liar stated earlier in 2011 your D was ranked 21st and RW increased its efficiency by playing great ball. Huh?

In 2011 your D was ranked 9th in total yds, 7th in scoring. There was even a thread directed at whether it could become a "Top 5 D". I even remember that. It was already a very good D.

"More lies. Lies and more lies".

Shut. Up.

The team around him was almost complete when he stepped in. They needed better QB play and they got it. Period.

The team was not 'almost complete.' Hell, it still isn't complete, at least not offensively, as our OL sucks and we do not have a true #1 receiver. We needed more than just someone that was simply a better quarterback than Tavaris Jackson... unless you want to argue that a quarterback like Nick Foles or Jay Cutler could win a Lombardi with this team.

Make no mistake, despite our defense, we are not a playoff team without Russell Wilson. I seriously doubt that any quarterback in the league besides Russell could take this team to the playoffs. Without him, we are 3-4 games worse.

[Anthony]

I'd say he's better than "good". But look at the comments when I analyze him in the context of "great". The man himself draws comparisons to 4 all-time greats in one quote. You bring a high degree of scrutiny upon yourself whenever you make statements like that, in any endeavor, in any context, in any frame of reference. As does HC when he puts up a thread entitled "setting the standard".

Some people become completely irrational and cannot handle a realistic discussion. I've said many times he's very good. Stating that he's #10 means he's better than 22 other starting QBs. There is a much higher burden of proof for "great" or "setting the standard" though. He's not hitting either of those standards no matter how many stats anyone quotes. It's a team game and we all see the great things that he does in the context of the team he plays for.

It's not as if my opinion is in left field. There is an entire country and pool of players that did not vote him to the pro bowl. That says something. It says my opinion on almost all things Russell Wilson is a lot closer to the commonly held opinion than the author of this thread and a good number of people posting about the topic of it.

Dude the problem is you did not analyze anything you lied plain and simple lied. your a joke

[Anthony]

I just scrolled through 3 pages of comments and there is no one addressed the Alex Smith stat comparison.

When did this supposedly happen? Where did someone prove how and why Russell Wilson's 109 postseason QB rating is discernible from Alex Smith's 108 postseason QB rating? In fact, at the NFC Championchip game that I attended, Alex Smith played much better game than Russell Wilson, by throwing 2 TDs and 0 turnovers to Russell Wilson's 1 TD and 2 turnovers.

So cut the bullshit. If our D had created 3 turnovers or whatever yours had that day instead of the 0 ours put up we'd be talking about Alex Freakin' Smith's ring and his clutch postseason career.

Please direct me to where this Alex Smith/Russell Wilson postseason stat comparison was dissected and broken down. I don't need a full comparison of their entire careers.

Did not happen on this thread.

dude you did not scroll crap your lying again because you know you got caught again.

[Anthony]

You just ignored my question entirely. Show me how and why Russell Wilson's 109 postseason rating is any different than Alex's 108 rating. You are dancing around this without directly analyzing it. Why? Because you know damn well that the only way you can separate the two is by using the "eye" test which you fools always harp on me for.

No he answered your question you just to stupid to know it. In addition to the 109 rating Wilson has several records that Smith does not, so as I said you ignorant and a liar.

[Anthony]

Also, this little Eff Anthony that always calls me a liar stated earlier in 2011 your D was ranked 21st and RW increased its efficiency by playing great ball. Huh?

In 2011 your D was ranked 9th in total yds, 7th in scoring. There was even a thread directed at whether it could become a "Top 5 D". I even remember that. It was already a very good D.

"More lies. Lies and more lies".

Shut. Up.

The team around him was almost complete when he stepped in. They needed better QB play and they got it. Period.

Dude it is easy to call you a lair I proved it in this thread when you said top defense and top 3 run game for 3 years which was a LIE, your a liar

[Anthony]

Here is one mister liar eye test its all about the defense. Guess which I team led the league in opposing teams starting field position? the Hawks and as the link below if you can read shows you a lot of that is the offense les by Wilson.

"In fact, the Seattle offense is part of the secret of the greatness of the Seattle defense, and why they look even better in standard stats than they do in our advanced stats. By sustaining drives and limiting turnovers, the Seattle offense limited the number of times it forced the Seattle defense to play a short field. Therefore, the Seattle defense began its average drive with the opposing offense needing a league-high 74.8 yards to go for a touchdown."

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/game-p ... ip-preview

[monkey]

Stop it with the nonsense. It's absurd to compare yourself in any way, shape or form to 4 all-time greats in one quote.

It's absurd for an elite NFL QB who has made it to the playoffs each of his first three seasons, has won a Super Bowl, is the winningest QB ever through three seasons, and has the best QB rating ever through three seasons, (I could go on and on listing his accolades) and is on the brink of winning his second Super Bowl in just three years as a pro, to compare himself in any way to other great QB's???

You're a complete imbecile!
I mean that seriously.
What you just said is so incredibly stupid, it made us all lose I.Q. points for having read it!
Of COURSE he should be comparing himself to those greats! That's his stated goal you moron, it's to become like those greats. That was his whole freakin' point you idiot troll!

What's more, he is well on his way to becoming mentioned with those elites, and perhaps even mentioned ahead of them.
Not one QB EVER has accomplished more than Russell Wilson through this point in their career. Not ever. Not any of those guys he mentioned has accomplished what he has through his first three seasons!

His current trajectory says he will become the next Tom Brady, or better.
Also, it's not humility to say that you aren't great at something when you are. That's false humility, and is itself actually rooted in pride.
Just stop talking, everything you are saying is painfully stupid.

[Vegaseahawk]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2330914-andrew-luck-russell-wilson-living-up-to-great-expectations?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=nfl

I think this article sums it up quite nicely.

[monkey]

And this one, is irrefutable.
http://www.fieldgulls.com/seahawks-analysis/2015/1/17/7535673/russell-wilson-nfl-mvp-aaron-rodgers-seahawks-packers

[Anthony]

And this one, is irrefutable.
http://www.fieldgulls.com/seahawks-analysis/2015/1/17/7535673/russell-wilson-nfl-mvp-aaron-rodgers-seahawks-packers

Agreed but Future will refute it by ignoring it.

[burrrton]

Agreed but Future will refute it by ignoring it.

No, his Eye Test™ will effectively rebut it, I'm sure.

[Anthony]

You know its funny the guys on NFL Playbook just talked about Wilson, they said "He is Elite in the pocket too", o course that was after saying he was deadly on the run or when running. Hmm I guess their eye test and Futures do not match.

Lets see a biased lying troll or 3 experts, who are either former players or coaches, who were not sold on Wilson when he was drafted.

That's a no brainer, sorry future again you loose Wilson is Elite and is a top QB period.