Aldon Smith at it again

[NorthHawk]

Arrested for DUI, Hit and Run, and Vandalism.

Looks to me like he's going to spend some time in the Hoosegow this time.
Maybe a full year suspension as well, I suspect.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... vandalism/

[Feez]

I hope he gets the book thrown at him. I would feel sympathy had he not already had so many other legal prblems before and took time to go to rehab. if he hasn't learned by now maybe he will when he loses a job millions of young men would die for and millions of dollars that go along with it. hopefully he doesn't kill somoene with his stupidty

[kalibane]

Wow guys. Guess we have to eat a huge helping of Crow. Future has once again proven how our anti-niner bias has completely clouded our ability to see Aldon Smith for what he is.

On behalf of the rest of the forum Future, I'd like to offer an truly heartfelt apology for the unfair way we characterized Aldon Smith we should have listened to your reason.

[c_hawkbob]

What a maroon.

[kalibane]

I hope he gets the book thrown at him. I would feel sympathy had he not already had so many other legal prblems before and took time to go to rehab. if he hasn't learned by now maybe he will when he loses a job millions of young men would die for and millions of dollars that go along with it. hopefully he doesn't kill somoene with his stupidty

His "rehab" was a joke. People rarely kick their addictions in that kind of surface level program. I said it before and I'll say it again. He needs a comprehensive in patient program that lasts a MIMINMUM of 6 months.

What bothers me most about his antics is once again it's a hit and run. He clearly hasn't learned anything and still refuses to accept responsibility for his actions.

[NorthHawk]

Another comment from PFT:

"The Santa Clara Police Department says Smith will face charges of hit and run and vandalism in addition to DUI. Smith declined to explain what happened. He’ll just say he wasn’t driving drunk."

Drugs, maybe?

[HumanCockroach]

Well I for one am just shocked that such a fine upstanding citizen would do something of this nature ...time to see if the Niners have the cajones to cut ties, or at least take his issues seriously. The dude is going to kill someone someday without some serious help.

[c_hawkbob]

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Team arrests since 2012

DAL, KC, OAK, PIT, StL: 5 each
BUF, GB, MIA, NE: 4
NYG, NO, PHI, WAS: 3
CAR, HOU, SD: 1

... and Aldon Smith: 5

[c_hawkbob]

[HumanCockroach]

Niners released the dipsh*t, surprising, maybe they are acknowledging they are in full rebuild mode... At least they did not pull the same stuff they did with the pregnant woman beater, or the brass knuckles assaulter.

[jshawaii22]

and it's been a couple of hours and no one on this board has clamored for the Seahawks to sign him? We're slowing down in our old age.

[NorthHawk]

It crossed my mind.

I'm starting to feel sorry for Tomsula with all the talent that he won't have.
He's really been given a diminished opportunity compared to last years team.

[kalibane]

Niners released the dipsh*t, surprising, maybe they are acknowledging they are in full rebuild mode... At least they did not pull the same stuff they did with the pregnant woman beater, or the brass knuckles assaulter.

Well this is one of those cases where context is very informative. Smith was on the last year of his deal and it was just a matter of time before he was suspended for at least a year anyway... This move ain't exactly taking a huge stand.

[c_hawkbob]

It crossed my mind.

I'm starting to feel sorry for Tomsula with all the talent that he won't have.
He's really been given a diminished opportunity compared to last years team.

[Feez]

[[/quote]

His "rehab" was a joke. People rarely kick their addictions in that kind of surface level program. I said it before and I'll say it again. He needs a comprehensive in patient program that lasts a MIMINMUM of 6 months.

What bothers me most about his antics is once again it's a hit and run. He clearly hasn't learned anything and still refuses to accept responsibility for his actions.[/quote]


I agree, he will most likely have no option now. he will certainly be looking at jail time I can't see a judge willing to make deals like he has had the luxury of doing before.

[Zorn76]

For his sake, I hope he finally hit bottom.
It's only then that a person has a real shot at recovery.

[RiverDog]

I'm starting to feel sorry for Tomsula with all the talent that he won't have.
He's really been given a diminished opportunity compared to last years team.

I agree. All of those mindless Niners fans will be clamoring for Hairball and blaming everything on Tomsula. This is going to be a worse situation than Jim Zorn was in when Snyder elevated him to head coach. I see no way that the Niners make it over .500.

I agree with Kal. Rehab has a pretty low batting average. When he was arrested at LAX, he was suspected of having been drinking when he was supposed to be on the wagon, so this should come as no surprise. It's the understatement of the year to say that he has a problem.

It will be interesting to hear Futurite's take on this poor mixed up kid as well as whether or not he's revised his playoff prediction for the Niners. It seems that one of the few things he was able to hang his hat on was Aldon Smith.

[Futureite]

Wow guys. Guess we have to eat a huge helping of Crow. Future has once again proven how our anti-niner bias has completely clouded our ability to see Aldon Smith for what he is.

On behalf of the rest of the forum Future, I'd like to offer an truly heartfelt apology for the unfair way we characterized Aldon Smith we should have listened to your reason.

You just show your true colors, all the time. I've said for a long time there is a bizarre, uneven level of hate in the PNW for the 49ers and Californians in general. I never said he didn't eff up. I said he appears to be a good person with a major problem. My opinion is bolstered by the countless tweets and quotes from current AND former players that are backing him, speaking to who he is at heart. Meanwhile, the PNW is still the PNW; looking down their nose at Aldon, everyone and everything - people, sports (insert subject) is superior to any and every other comparable. Traffic, diversity, crime, coffee, music, character? Oh, don't bother debating. Seattle has the "most" of pretty much everything.

You have a problem too. A genetic DNA defect which leads to you believe you are more intelligent than you are. At least theoretically Aldon's problem can be solvef. You on the otherhand, are screwed. You'll always be this way. It's just who you are.

Hey, I have an idea. Why don't you guys come up with another cutie name for our QB and talk about how effed up he is as a person well, maybe fit in a couple more memes and throw in a Saint Wilson conparison for good measure LOL.

Never been more happy to be a nothern Cali native or a fan of the 49ers. You just showed me what the alternative could be. So, thanks.

[kalibane]

No future see that's the thing... From the beginning of this Aldon Smith thing I said he should not have been allowed to play last year... Not because he should be punished but because he needed real treatment before getting back on the field. But you like always blow through the thread talking about how biased I am, how he's mad great progress and seems to have it figured out now.

Then lo and behold same time this year he is RIGHT back in the same place. Just like many of us and our "anti niner bias" said he would be. Now you're here trying to distract from the fact that you were dead effing wrong and we were 100% correct by trying to act like we are reveling in this man's issues.

Make no mistake, I feel bad for Smith regarding his clear addiction but I am laughing at you because you are essentially guilty of what you always try to accuse us of. Your bias refused to allow you to see what was obvious, that Aldon had serious problems and he was no where near being on the road back. Now his career may be up in smoke. All because the organization didn't want to make the hard choice last time around and the community was willing to look the other way because he could sack the QB.

Lastly you can post all the testimonials you want. Smith's addiction is sad. But he has had two hit and runs in less than a year. If that's your standard of a "great" person, you need to up your standards. I'm sure he's not a terrible guy but that's more than an honest mistake.

And of course leave it to you to show how Russell Wilson is all in your head by feeling the need to bring him up. And the funny thing is I actually don't think he's a saint.

[RiverDog]

I never said he (Smith) didn't eff up. I said he appears to be a good person with a major problem. My opinion is bolstered by the countless tweets and quotes from current AND former players that are backing him, speaking to who he is at heart.

Futureite, as I recall, you were one of the biggest excuse makers for Aldon Smith and tried at every step of the way to trivialize his various problems. When we called out Hairball for starting him after Smith got drunk and nearly killed himself by wrapping his car around a tree just a few hours before a team activity, you accused us of being bias as according to you, all we were interested in was weakening an opponent. You made a huge deal about his voluntarily entering rehab, and felt that since it was voluntary, time spent there should be counted as part of his disciplinary suspension. You dismissed the LAX incident as just saying something stupid and hung your hat on the fact that the charges were dropped. You made excuses for his arrest on weapons charges, defended him by saying that it was completely understandable that he wouldn't have known that a gun purchased in AZ was illegal in CA.

Face it. You were wrong about Aldon Smith and we were, for the most part, right about him. He's not a good citizen, never has been, is a threat to himself and society, and deserves to spend some time behind bars as well as a lengthy suspension from playing professional football. The vast majority of posters in here were dead wrong about Percy Harvin, and most fessed up and ate a big helping of crow after he imploded. If you want to maintain even the tiniest bit of credibility, then you need to man up and take your medicine now that Smith has finally hit the last turn in his auger.

As to the rest of the garbage you posted, be happy that I edited it out. Hopefully you haven't pizzed off the rest of the group to the point where they demand that you be edited out as you're the only 'enemy' poster we have here and feel you have a relevant contribution to make to this forum.

Oh, and I don't think that Russell Wilson is a saint either, so that makes two of us.

[jshawaii22]

Yeah, it's a shame that there aren't more 'Saints' playing football, but unfortunately, it's the opposite. Many players are one step from a cellblock or rehab both before, during and certainly after their careers.

Aldon just was one that misstepped. Kind of like the opposite of Marshawn. He's been able to walk that fine line of arrests and issues and not really tripped the big one. Moffatt was another that just didn't get it. He was an alcoholic. How could the team not see that? Oh, they did, but they just don't have a lot of ways to tell rich, young, immature 'adults' that they're going in the wrong direction.

For the players, either they figure it out or "Aldon" happens.... Good luck with the 49'ers rebuilding team this year.

[obiken]

Hes done, hes going to jail. The 9ers are in trouble, new coach and 3 All Pros gone off their defense.

[RiverDog]

Hes done, hes going to jail. The 9ers are in trouble, new coach and 3 All Pros gone off their defense.

Yea, the worst offseason in the past 20 years just got even worse. Poor 49'ers fans, when it rains, it pours.

I am open to eventually reinstating Aldon Smith just as I was open to reinstating Michael Vick, but not until a whole series of things happens in the right order, the first being that he needs to spend some time eating off a tin plate.

[kalibane]

Wow so just heard some of the supposed details on this from John Clayton.

Apparently Aldon Smith snuck out of team meetings early had some sort of altercation with this ex-girlfriend... who just happens to be Colin Kaepernick's current girlfriend. And the end result was the car that was hit they believe was Kaepernick's car and it was struck more than one time before Smith drove away.

What an absolute mess of a soap opera.

[RiverDog]

Wow so just heard some of the supposed details on this from John Clayton.

Apparently Aldon Smith snuck out of team meetings early had some sort of altercation with this ex-girlfriend... who just happens to be Colin Kaepernick's current girlfriend. And the end result was the car that was hit they believe was Kaepernick's car and it was struck more than one time before Smith drove away.

What an absolute mess of a soap opera.

I didn't hear the snuck out of team meetings part, not that it makes a difference.

But there's more. There's also a report of an on field altercation between Smith and Kaepernick prior to Smith's arrest. All rumors at this point, but the fact that vandalism was part of the charges leads one to believe that the police must feel that Smith intentionally damaged the car involved in the hit-and-run.

http://thebiglead.com/2015/08/07/colin- ... don-smith/

[NorthHawk]

Wow so just heard some of the supposed details on this from John Clayton.

Apparently Aldon Smith snuck out of team meetings early had some sort of altercation with this ex-girlfriend... who just happens to be Colin Kaepernick's current girlfriend. And the end result was the car that was hit they believe was Kaepernick's car and it was struck more than one time before Smith drove away.

What an absolute mess of a soap opera.

If Smith was charged with DUI, does this mean he was drunk in meetings or did he have a bottle in his car?
The pieces don't quite fit with Clayton's suggestion of the details.
To me, this smells of the media doing a lot of assuming.

I'm not saying he wasn't drunk or didn't do it, rather the story told by Clayton looks suspicious.

[c_hawkbob]

The DUI is the one part of the story Aldon denies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmO8KxYVGfM

[RiverDog]

If Smith was charged with DUI, does this mean he was drunk in meetings or did he have a bottle in his car?
The pieces don't quite fit with Clayton's suggestion of the details.
To me, this smells of the media doing a lot of assuming.

I'm not saying he wasn't drunk or didn't do it, rather the story told by Clayton looks suspicious.

I've looked at several articles, from Rant Sports and TMZ, and I haven't seen anything about the sneaking out of the meeting part of the story, either, and you're right, it doesn't add up. But ESPN isn't going to let Clayton run with a story unless he has some type of credible source.

[HumanCockroach]

I'm thinking that after he fled he got drunk. He was charged with a DUI, after a failed sobriety test, I suppose there could have been enough time between hitting the car and his arrest to get there.

[NorthHawk]

So he was arrested elsewhere and not at the scene?
Or were you saying he went out and got drunk then came back?

[c_hawkbob]

From the police report;

On Thursday, August 6, 2015, at about 8:46 PM., Santa Clara Officers were dispatched to Moreland Way to investigate a disturbance involving a collision. On arrival, officers learned Aldon Smith was parking his vehicle and collided with a parked vehicle. After the collision, Smith exited his vehicle and caused additional damage to the parked vehicle with his car door.

Smith then left the area not reporting the collision or leaving his identifying information at the scene. He later returned to the parking area where he was contacted by officers. Smith displayed objective symptoms of being under the influence of an alcoholic beverage. Officers administered a field sobriety test to Smith.

Moreland Way is mile and a half or so walk from the Niners practice facility. I wouldn't park that far and have to walk it after practice, but who knows?

[NorthHawk]

So he returned to the scene.
Thanks, Bob.

[kalibane]

In reference to Clayton's reporting, the report I heard he specifically said the DUI charge was in question and didn't seem to believe that there was a good chance he wasn't hit with a DUI.

But then the tone of Tomsula's press conference after the release seemed very much like he was speaking of an addiction situation.

[RiverDog]

Leaving the scene of an accident and a short time later failing a sobriety test makes him look guilty as sin. No judge is not going to buy his story, especially given Smith's track record. They'll throw the book at him. IMO regardless of whether or not he was legally drunk, he's going to be hit with a felony charge. If he isn't, then something is wrong with the justice system.

[c_hawkbob]

The Seattle Seahawks need a cheap answer to all the high priced signings they have had to make over the past year, and former 49ers' outside linebacker Aldon Smith could be the answer.

It what seemingly seems to a perfect situation, Smith can't stay out of trouble, while the Seahawks do their best work with troubled players.

According to Mike Florio of Profootballtalk.com, the team may pursue Smith

http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/ ... 2_19320625

[kalibane]

Pfft Mike Florio... I do think the Seahawks and the Patriots are probably his best chance to turn it around but I don't know. I just don't see it. At least not until next year, assuming he serves out a suspension and gets clean this year.

[c_hawkbob]

This year is likely to be a wash anyway due to suspension. Next year is what the speculation is about.

Frankly it wouldn't surprize me if Pete &John had a cup of coffee with him later this year, see where his head's at.

[RiverDog]

Outside of this rumor about him and Kaepernick getting into a fight, a rumor that has been denied by multiple parties and even if true, happened on the playing field, Smith has not been a bad teammate ala Percy Harvin, so I'd be open to the possibility of bringing in Aldon Smith IF he cleans his act up and meets some pretty tough criteria, a 4-6 month de-tox, 6 months of an aggressive random testing program, etc, and no other brushes with the law. If he follows a very strict regiment and comes through with flying colors and proves he wants that second chance, then I'd be delighted if we were the ones that provided him with that opportunity.

But we're a long, long ways from that time and Smith has a lot of work to do before we're even in the position to talk to him.

[NorthHawk]

Doesn't the NFL have some testing situations whereby players after being reinstated after the substance abuse program are continually tested for years?
I seem to remember a punter from Denver who according to his agent had a beer and was suspended a couple of years after his treatment.

There will be a large gamble when taking him on by any team because they would be giving up on another player that might otherwise make the team for a number of years.
The risk/reward will have to be in the teams favor and I doubt he will make anywhere near the money he was getting in SF. At least for the first few years if he can hold it together.

I hope he figures it out because he could have it all if he stays straight.

[RiverDog]

Doesn't the NFL have some testing situations whereby players after being reinstated after the substance abuse program are continually tested for years?
I seem to remember a punter from Denver who according to his agent had a beer and was suspended a couple of years after his treatment.

There will be a large gamble when taking him on by any team because they would be giving up on another player that might otherwise make the team for a number of years.
The risk/reward will have to be in the teams favor and I doubt he will make anywhere near the money he was getting in SF. At least for the first few years if he can hold it together.

I hope he figures it out because he could have it all if he stays straight.

Yea, I remember the guy from Denver. He said he was just having a beer at home. I wanted to say that it was the place kicker Pratner, but I think he got nailed for something else.

I looked at the NFLPA drug policy and it wasn't very conclusive, said testing frequency would be determined by the Medical Advisor. Here's the website, perhaps you can make heads or tails out of it:

https://www.nflpa.com/active-players/drug-policies