Here ya go Riverdog, Stephen Schilling!

[monkey]

http://www.fieldgulls.com/nfl-offseason-2014/2014/3/20/5530484/stephen-schilling-signs-with-the-seahawks
There's a guy for you Riv, guard/tackle out of Michigan, drafted by the Chargers in the 5th (I think) in 2011. Still hasn't done anything but was highly recruited, apparently by Tom Cable and Pete Carroll.

They haven't forgotten about the line guys, they're just NOT going to overpay for garbage. That's a GOOD THING!

[NorthHawk]

I wish him well because he's a home town kid, but don't expect much from a 6th round pick who has played in about 20 games and has 2 starts over 3 years.
More fodder for the OL while they try to throw gobs of money at an already strong DL.

[RiverDog]

http://www.fieldgulls.com/nfl-offseason-2014/2014/3/20/5530484/stephen-schilling-signs-with-the-seahawks
There's a guy for you Riv, guard/tackle out of Michigan, drafted by the Chargers in the 5th (I think) in 2011. Still hasn't done anything but was highly recruited, apparently by Tom Cable and Pete Carroll.

They haven't forgotten about the line guys, they're just NOT going to overpay for garbage. That's a GOOD THING!

If this is the best we can do, then I'm not too impressed, monkey. We have a tendency to shop in the bargain basement for offensive linemen and this signing is par for the course, but when it comes to the defense, we spare no expense. I fear that we may be getting out of balance with all the emphasis on defense. You know what they say about a chain being only as strong as its weakest link.

But it's better than a kick in the ass. At least he's a body and worth a shot. You never know.

[HumanCockroach]

LOL. 'Spare no expense on defense" LMFAO. You haven't been paying attention.

[Eaglehawk]

Other than his football IQ which is off the charts, nothing stands out here.

But if there are any group of coaches that coach him up to get his mind to work with his body, its PC's group.

[briwas101]

Im glad we at least signed someone, but this guy is camp fodder. This isn't going out and fixing the OL. This guy will basically be competing for the last spot on the OL, but at least its better than nothing.

As for Cable and Carroll liking him, this guy was rated lower than the 2 offensive linemen that cable liked enough to pick when Schneider gave him that privilege.

Feel free to call me overly pessimistic, but I don't have high hopes for someone who was less impressive than Carp and "active happiness pursuer".

[Anthony]

What should be alarming is other than Harvin they seem to want to go on the cheap on offense, so our supposed franchise QB when the time comes maybe the next to go. Presuming he doe snot get hurt behind the worse pass blocking o-line in the league. We had the #1 defense and yet we are still throwing money around on it, we had the worse pass blocking o-line and all we get are scraps. NOT good at all. but it is early we will see.

[RiverDog]

LOL. 'Spare no expense on defense" LMFAO. You haven't been paying attention.

I wish you'd just stop with the ridicule, HC.

[HumanCockroach]

It isn't ridicule, it's what you posted. I'm laughing because claiming the Seahawks spared no expense on the D line, or the D is hilarious at least to me. People seem to forget HOW that defense was manufactured, it certainly wasn't with every high priced free agent available, and certainly NOT with high priced mediocre free agents. No one wants to WAIT to see how things play out, they want some over priced crap instead, I am NOT on that train. You don't want me to react to that? Seriously? How could I NOT?

[Anthony]

It isn't ridicule, it's what you posted. I'm laughing because claiming the Seahawks spared no expense on the D line, or the D is hilarious at least to me. People seem to forget HOW that defense was manufactured, it certainly wasn't with every high priced free agent available, and certainly NOT with high priced mediocre free agents. No one wants to WAIT to see how things play out, they want some over priced crap instead, I am NOT on that train. You don't want me to react to that? Seriously? How could I NOT?

Dude if you look at the money spent on D compared to O it is laughable. But I am guessing you will not be happy till Rw is out for the year injured.

[HumanCockroach]

It isn't ridicule, it's what you posted. I'm laughing because claiming the Seahawks spared no expense on the D line, or the D is hilarious at least to me. People seem to forget HOW that defense was manufactured, it certainly wasn't with every high priced free agent available, and certainly NOT with high priced mediocre free agents. No one wants to WAIT to see how things play out, they want some over priced crap instead, I am NOT on that train. You don't want me to react to that? Seriously? How could I NOT?

Dude if you look at the money spent on D compared to O it is laughable. But I am guessing you will not be happy till Rw is out for the year injured.

LOL, yeah, that's the ticket... I spend all my time hoping the franchise QB gets injured... LMFAO... were do you guys get this garbage?

We are talking about UPGRADES, not status quo, seems many don't either understand what an UPGRADE is, or they are so frenetic about it, they can just spew names up that are NOT upgrades, and pretend they will fix the line.

[Anthony]

It isn't ridicule, it's what you posted. I'm laughing because claiming the Seahawks spared no expense on the D line, or the D is hilarious at least to me. People seem to forget HOW that defense was manufactured, it certainly wasn't with every high priced free agent available, and certainly NOT with high priced mediocre free agents. No one wants to WAIT to see how things play out, they want some over priced crap instead, I am NOT on that train. You don't want me to react to that? Seriously? How could I NOT?

Dude if you look at the money spent on D compared to O it is laughable. But I am guessing you will not be happy till Rw is out for the year injured.

LOL, yeah, that's the ticket... I spend all my time hoping the franchise QB gets injured... LMFAO... were do you guys get this garbage?

We are talking about UPGRADES, not status quo, seems many don't either understand what an UPGRADE is, or they are so frenetic about it, they can just spew names up that are NOT upgrades, and pretend they will fix the line.

well you sure do not seem to want to improve the weakest part of the team which happens to protect or what passed for protect your franchise QB. Again I point out, we have no way of knowing if any of the Fas were upgrades or not since we did not bring any in. You are assuming since they are not doing anything there are none, but you really do not know. We lost Breno who according to ESPN was a C lineman. There were and or are 12 o-lineman ranked higher. 3 are still available, and yet none have been brought in.

[HumanCockroach]

Fair enough, but YOU do not know none of the three remaining will not be brought in, that those "ranked higher " would have performed at a higher level, much less the three not brought in, the quality of those on the roster already in place, the available quality of those available to be drafted compared to those, in fact the only thing that IS known, is the PRICE of those you personally, or those judged by writers to be of "higher quality" .

I'll WAIT to see what this FO does in the next year or so, before jumping off a bridge. They just won a SB with the quality of players many on here seem hell bent to whine about, until such time that the lack of line play either gets a QB injured, lacks the ability to open running lanes, or keeps the team from winning, I am content to let them attempt to have the success with the low cost, bargain players, they JUST won the f-ing SB with. OR. At the VERY least, bare minimum, wait until the have the ROOMto sign an ACTUAL upgrade, as opposed to aging, over priced, average lineman. Until such time, I BELIEVE in the system, that WON the Lombardi, as opposed to fretting over something that MIGHT, POSSIBLY occur.

[Zorn76]

I wish him well because he's a home town kid, but don't expect much from a 6th round pick who has played in about 20 games and has 2 starts over 3 years.
More fodder for the OL while they try to throw gobs of money at an already strong DL.

Bet he's better than Breno:)

[Anthony]

Fair enough, but YOU do not know none of the three remaining will not be brought in, that those "ranked higher " would have performed at a higher level, much less the three not brought in, the quality of those on the roster already in place, the available quality of those available to be drafted compared to those, in fact the only thing that IS known, is the PRICE of those you personally, or those judged by writers to be of "higher quality" .

I'll WAIT to see what this FO does in the next year or so, before jumping off a bridge. They just won a SB with the quality of players many on here seem hell bent to whine about, until such time that the lack of line play either gets a QB injured, lacks the ability to open running lanes, or keeps the team from winning, I am content to let them attempt to have the success with the low cost, bargain players, they JUST won the f-ing SB with. OR. At the VERY least, bare minimum, wait until the have the ROOMto sign an ACTUAL upgrade, as opposed to aging, over priced, average lineman. Until such time, I BELIEVE in the system, that WON the Lombardi, as opposed to fretting over something that MIGHT, POSSIBLY occur.

That is correct I do not know if they will be brought in, all I know which I have said is as of now they have not and that is a concern. Now do I know just because they were ranked higher that they would perform better, but you also do not know if what we have as of now will not fall apart. And while we won the SB with the plan they had, that does not mean we will again. So basically you are going to wait till it is to late. Hmm interesting approach, a gamble to say the least. Every team in our division has a great defense, and a couple have gotten better. We already have a top defense we need to improve our offense to compete and to do that we need to improve our o-line. While you are waiting to upgrade or at least look at players other are getting better. Protecting their franchise QB, and you seem okay with laying Rw out there and hoping he does not get injured instead of trying to mitigate that possibility by improving our o-line, because it happened once. I made a 3/4 court shot to win a championship basketball game once, but I can tell you the coach was not counting on me doing that again the next year. As beat up as Rw was , we were lucky we did not loose him, you really want to try that luck again? It costs nothing to bring someone in and talk to them and see. That is all I am saying. The top priority in this off season out side of signing our own was the o-line according to PC and yet nothing. That is what I am saying.

[RiverDog]

It isn't ridicule, it's what you posted. I'm laughing because claiming the Seahawks spared no expense on the D line, or the D is hilarious at least to me. People seem to forget HOW that defense was manufactured, it certainly wasn't with every high priced free agent available, and certainly NOT with high priced mediocre free agents. No one wants to WAIT to see how things play out, they want some over priced crap instead, I am NOT on that train. You don't want me to react to that? Seriously? How could I NOT?

You're saying that I'm not paying attention, you're laughing your ass off at my responses, saying that my characterizations are 'hilarious', etc., acting as if your opinion is the only one with any merit, and it's not the first time you've done it. Perhaps you don't intend your comments to be insulting, but that's how I'm taking it. I'm not lobbying for your agreement, quite the contrary, I've come to expect your disagreement with nearly everything I post. We're all supposed to be part of the same 12th man team here.

[kalibane]

The rock fight over the perception of ridicule aside, HC has a fair point. People are forgetting how the defense was built. The fact is they've actually spent more on the Offensive side of the ball than the defensive side.

All the high priced FAs the Seahawks have acquired in the offseason have been on the offensive side of the ball. Rice, Harvin, Lynch and Miller. And their contracts far out stripped the contracts of Bryant, Avril, Bennett and Clemmons.

In the first 3 rounds of the draft they'veused 6 picks on the offense (8 if you include the picks given up for Harvin) to 4 on defense. 3 of those picks were used on the Offensive Line (the unit you're mad about) only one has been on a pass rusher (the position you're concerned they are ignoring the OL for).

We gave up draft choices for Harvin and Lynch, while we actually got a draft choice back for Clemons.

The difference between the offense and defense is that they've hit on so many of the mid to low round picks on defense. You bemoan that they are scouring the scrap heap for offensive linemen but that's exactly how they got Clemons, Malcom Smith, Byron Maxwell, Richard Sherman, Brandon Browner and Kam Chancellor. And at the end of the day they have actually invested a lot more in the offense in terms of salary and draft capital than they have on defense.

Might just be that as a defensive minded coach Carroll is a lot better at picking out players that produce.

[HumanCockroach]

Bane, has it nailed PERFECTLY. LOOK at how the defense was built, then LOOK at what was spent on the offense, then figure out if they spent more on defense or offense. Call it ridicule if you want, take it as an insult if that is your desire. All I did was point out the facts, of HOW this team was built...

[RiverDog]

Bane, has it nailed PERFECTLY. LOOK at how the defense was built, then LOOK at what was spent on the offense, then figure out if they spent more on defense or offense. Call it ridicule if you want, take it as an insult if that is your desire. All I did was point out the facts, of HOW this team was built...

It's not the facts you pointed out, HC. It's the manner in which you pointed out those facts.

[NorthHawk]

I wish him well because he's a home town kid, but don't expect much from a 6th round pick who has played in about 20 games and has 2 starts over 3 years.
More fodder for the OL while they try to throw gobs of money at an already strong DL.

Bet he's better than Breno:)

Probably better than Geno because Schilling is a Guard.

[HumanCockroach]

Bane, has it nailed PERFECTLY. LOOK at how the defense was built, then LOOK at what was spent on the offense, then figure out if they spent more on defense or offense. Call it ridicule if you want, take it as an insult if that is your desire. All I did was point out the facts, of HOW this team was built...

It's not the facts you pointed out, HC. It's the manner in which you pointed out those facts.

And it's the manner in which you complained that struck me as funny. Sorry if your claim was so incredibly erroneous as to strike me as laughable, what was I thinking?

[RiverDog]

Bane, has it nailed PERFECTLY. LOOK at how the defense was built, then LOOK at what was spent on the offense, then figure out if they spent more on defense or offense. Call it ridicule if you want, take it as an insult if that is your desire. All I did was point out the facts, of HOW this team was built...

It's not the facts you pointed out, HC. It's the manner in which you pointed out those facts.

And it's the manner in which you complained that struck me as funny. Sorry if your claim was so incredibly erroneous as to strike me as laughable, what was I thinking?

If you think that what I say is so incredibly erroneous, then why do you even bother replying? Or do simply enjoy calling fellow Hawk fans buffoons?

[HumanCockroach]

Don't remember calling you a buffoon, what I said was if you think they have spent so many resources on the defense while ignoring the offense, you haven't been paying attention. Which IS 100% accurate. LOL and LMFAO are accepted on this board, which is the ONLY thing in that reply that can be construed to be what you claimed it to be. You don't like being called on something like that statement, don't make that statement. You, not I was the one that made a completely false statement, and I called you on it that is what occurred. I would have done the same with anyone else making that statement, and I have indeed had the same done to me.

Sorry if it "embarrassed" you, but making statements that are embarrassing tends to have those results . I started out making observations, however as the complaints spiralled into fallacy, my patience evaporated, no problem with wanting something that I myself want, just don't believe making stuff up is productive, accurate or fair to the FO or the other fans of this team. Not going to "fall in with the rest" because I'm a 12, not going to do it

[RiverDog]

Don't remember calling you a buffoon, what I said was if you think they have spent so many resources on the defense while ignoring the offense, you haven't been paying attention. Which IS 100% accurate. LOL and LMFAO are accepted on this board, which is the ONLY thing in that reply that can be construed to be what you claimed it to be. You don't like being called on something like that statement, don't make that statement. You, not I was the one that made a completely false statement, and I called you on it that is what occurred. I would have done the same with anyone else making that statement, and I have indeed had the same done to me.

Sorry if it "embarrassed" you, but making statements that are embarrassing tends to have those results . I started out making observations, however as the complaints spiralled into fallacy, my patience evaporated, no problem with wanting something that I myself want, just don't believe making stuff up is productive, accurate or fair to the FO or the other fans of this team. Not going to "fall in with the rest" because I'm a 12, not going to do it

No, but when you say you are "laughing your F****** ass off" at my posts, it tends to give one that impression.

Go back and re-read North Hawk's latest observation in another thread regarding our past two years activity in FA and the draft. It dove tails exactly with that of my own and explains my "spare no expense" remark.

[HumanCockroach]

Read my response. As North conveniently added in the cost of resigning players on that D line, and just as conveniently ignored the resigning, drafting and PAYING the players along the offensive line. So, yes, it dovetails nicely with what you believe.

[NorthHawk]

Okung is still in his first contract under the old CBA where the player selected in the first round had the team by the short and curlys. It would be much different today.

My point still stands, over the last 2 years we have committed 10 times the money on the DL than we have the OL as well as only 2 late draft picks on the OL compared to 7 picks including 1 1st and 2 mid round selections on DL. OK make that 6 and 3 as Sweezy was a DT, but moved to OG. These are things you cannot deny.

[HumanCockroach]

Okung is still in his first contract under the old CBA where the player selected in the first round had the team by the short and curlys. It would be much different today.

My point still stands, over the last 2 years we have committed 10 times the money on the DL than we have the OL as well as only 2 late draft picks on the OL compared to 7 picks including 1 1st and 2 mid round selections on DL. OK make that 6 and 3 as Sweezy was a DT, but moved to OG. These are things you cannot deny.

And once again, if you are "counting" Sweezy as a DT ( who was only drafted after they told him he was an offensive lineman) then you have to subtract the OLB from your equation named Irvin. The facts haven't changed, you don't just randomly draft offensive lineman, just cus. Carpenter, Moffitt, Okung were ALL drafted since Carroll arrived, and they SIGNED multiple lineman as well.

I really do understand the frustration that none have worked the way we ALL ( and by that I am including the FO0 wanted the, to. But coming off the draft of Moffitt, and Carpenter, there was simply NO WAY to expect the problems that have arrisen with them. NONE. So complaining about picks, or non signings, makes zero sense.

[mykc14]

It isn't ridicule, it's what you posted. I'm laughing because claiming the Seahawks spared no expense on the D line, or the D is hilarious at least to me. People seem to forget HOW that defense was manufactured, it certainly wasn't with every high priced free agent available, and certainly NOT with high priced mediocre free agents. No one wants to WAIT to see how things play out, they want some over priced crap instead, I am NOT on that train. You don't want me to react to that? Seriously? How could I NOT?

Dude if you look at the money spent on D compared to O it is laughable. But I am guessing you will not be happy till Rw is out for the year injured.

Do you ever know what you're talking about? So far for the 2014 Cap we have spent 59 mil on O and 48 mil on D. So you are wrong again. More of our money is spent on the O then the D. Even with that our D was the best in the NFL. Wrong again, but nice try.

[mykc14]

Okung is still in his first contract under the old CBA where the player selected in the first round had the team by the short and curlys. It would be much different today.

My point still stands, over the last 2 years we have committed 10 times the money on the DL than we have the OL as well as only 2 late draft picks on the OL compared to 7 picks including 1 1st and 2 mid round selections on DL. OK make that 6 and 3 as Sweezy was a DT, but moved to OG. These are things you cannot deny.

That's true but the fact remains that we are spending more money on O than D still, by a large margin. Maybe if Okung were signed under today's CBA they would have some more money to spend on the OL, but he wasn't so that money is being used on him. No matter how it is sliced we are still spending the same amount on our OL and DL and that is what matters, not what we have done in the last 2 years.

[Anthony]

Okung is still in his first contract under the old CBA where the player selected in the first round had the team by the short and curlys. It would be much different today.

My point still stands, over the last 2 years we have committed 10 times the money on the DL than we have the OL as well as only 2 late draft picks on the OL compared to 7 picks including 1 1st and 2 mid round selections on DL. OK make that 6 and 3 as Sweezy was a DT, but moved to OG. These are things you cannot deny.

That's true but the fact remains that we are spending more money on O than D still, by a large margin. Maybe if Okung were signed under today's CBA they would have some more money to spend on the OL, but he wasn't so that money is being used on him. No matter how it is sliced we are still spending the same amount on our OL and DL and that is what matters, not what we have done in the last 2 years.

so your answer is as long as we are spending the same money that is all that matters? The fact it might cost you your franchise QB does not matter? Hey yeah we lost our franchise QB and will miss the playoffs because our o-line sucks but that's okay look how much we spent on the offense? Really.

The reality is you find a franchise QB you protect him, and so far we have not, and that is cause for huge concerns and will eventually bite us in the butt.

[mykc14]

Okung is still in his first contract under the old CBA where the player selected in the first round had the team by the short and curlys. It would be much different today.

My point still stands, over the last 2 years we have committed 10 times the money on the DL than we have the OL as well as only 2 late draft picks on the OL compared to 7 picks including 1 1st and 2 mid round selections on DL. OK make that 6 and 3 as Sweezy was a DT, but moved to OG. These are things you cannot deny.

That's true but the fact remains that we are spending more money on O than D still, by a large margin. Maybe if Okung were signed under today's CBA they would have some more money to spend on the OL, but he wasn't so that money is being used on him. No matter how it is sliced we are still spending the same amount on our OL and DL and that is what matters, not what we have done in the last 2 years.

so your answer is as long as we are spending the same money that is all that matters? The fact it might cost you your franchise QB does not matter? Hey yeah we lost our franchise QB and will miss the playoffs because our o-line sucks but that's okay look how much we spent on the offense? Really.

The reality is you find a franchise QB you protect him, and so far we have not, and that is cause for huge concerns and will eventually bite us in the butt.

You don't think that argument goes both ways? Come on. Ok, I hope they follow your plan. Keep spending on the Oline. Doesn't matter how much, just keep spending until it is vastly improved. Sign the best FA Tackle, 9 mil, put him at RT. Sign the best two guards available, 5 mil apiece. So now we are spending 35 mil on our OL, but it is improved RW will be protected. Unfortunately our we couldn't resign Bennett or McDaniel and won't be able to resign Sherm or Thomas, but RW is protected.

Don't you understand that we have limited resources? Everybody wants an improved OL, the problem is the money they have spent on the OL hasn't panned out so we are not currently in a position to be overspending on the OL in FA. I don't want RW to take extra hits anymore than you do, but I also understand we can't just spend money and solve problems without long term consequences.