Post on another board, What do you think?

[Anthony]

So a person on another board in a thread about Maxwell posted the below, what do you guys think?

"Or they could just let RW walk. After all, it's not like we won the Super Bowl because of gawdy offensive numbers led by the QB or because RW was some pro-bowl, MVP quarterback." and then followed it up with

"Everybody in this city should understand ABOVE ALL after watching how we won this year, that this team is built on a league-best DEFENSE. We didn't win because we had some superman QB leading one of the best offenses in the league. We didn't win the SB game because Wilson put the team on his back. Wilson is what he is, a good-decision maker who makes some clutch plays that allows the offense to hold up to its end of the bargain, so to speak. We need to lock up both Sherman and Thomas before we even consider what to pay Wilson.

Simply, I would just be real careful about how "all-in" we go to re-signing a player that really has only helped this team win by making smart decisions, not turning the ball over and being clutch. That's obviously very valuable, but I don't think it is impossible to replace. I think there are a decent amount of QBs out there that can be procured to fill the same role. Especially when the OL is likely to improve.

If we paint ourselves into a corner thinking "RW is our franchise QB" I just think it's going to get real costly, real fast and I'm not talking about just money. I'm talking about the talent this team will have to sacrifice and thus, the titles this team could sacrifice."

And

"Look, I love Russell Wilson as much as the next guy. His leadership, the way he conducts himself off-the-field in our community et al. all top notch! He's the prototype franchise QB.

BUT, he isn't an MVP caliber QB that leads a top-5 offense. He's not that guy. And our team under Carroll and Schneider will never be reliant upon having that guy. We run the ball and play EXCEPTIONAL defense. That's how we win. All we need is a QB that makes the routine plays as Lloyd McClendon would say. A guy that can run the offense, make smart decisions, execute on third down and in the red zone and one that doesn't turn the ball over.

Am I wrong?

Understanding that, in my opinion it would be absolutely absurd to pay RW $20m a season with a cap under $200m. He's simply not worth sacrificing talent in other key areas of the team for. We plucked RW in the 3rd round of a strong QB draft (Luck, Foles, Tannehill, RG3, Cousins). We can do the same this year or next and groom someone to replace him IF NEED BE. "

As I am sure you can imagine I disagreed as did others, showed reasons logic, and facts. But this person and one other do not get it at all

[mykc14]

So a person on another board in a thread about Maxwell posted the below, what do you guys think?

"Or they could just let RW walk. After all, it's not like we won the Super Bowl because of gawdy offensive numbers led by the QB or because RW was some pro-bowl, MVP quarterback." and then followed it up with

"Everybody in this city should understand ABOVE ALL after watching how we won this year, that this team is built on a league-best DEFENSE. We didn't win because we had some superman QB leading one of the best offenses in the league. We didn't win the SB game because Wilson put the team on his back. Wilson is what he is, a good-decision maker who makes some clutch plays that allows the offense to hold up to its end of the bargain, so to speak. We need to lock up both Sherman and Thomas before we even consider what to pay Wilson.

Simply, I would just be real careful about how "all-in" we go to re-signing a player that really has only helped this team win by making smart decisions, not turning the ball over and being clutch. That's obviously very valuable, but I don't think it is impossible to replace. I think there are a decent amount of QBs out there that can be procured to fill the same role. Especially when the OL is likely to improve.

If we paint ourselves into a corner thinking "RW is our franchise QB" I just think it's going to get real costly, real fast and I'm not talking about just money. I'm talking about the talent this team will have to sacrifice and thus, the titles this team could sacrifice."

And

"Look, I love Russell Wilson as much as the next guy. His leadership, the way he conducts himself off-the-field in our community et al. all top notch! He's the prototype franchise QB.

BUT, he isn't an MVP caliber QB that leads a top-5 offense. He's not that guy. And our team under Carroll and Schneider will never be reliant upon having that guy. We run the ball and play EXCEPTIONAL defense. That's how we win. All we need is a QB that makes the routine plays as Lloyd McClendon would say. A guy that can run the offense, make smart decisions, execute on third down and in the red zone and one that doesn't turn the ball over.

Am I wrong?

Understanding that, in my opinion it would be absolutely absurd to pay RW $20m a season with a cap under $200m. He's simply not worth sacrificing talent in other key areas of the team for. We plucked RW in the 3rd round of a strong QB draft (Luck, Foles, Tannehill, RG3, Cousins). We can do the same this year or next and groom someone to replace him IF NEED BE. "

As I am sure you can imagine I disagreed as did others, showed reasons logic, and facts. But this person and one other do not get it at all

I don't think he uses that much logic. He actually was MVP caliber until late last season, before playing a top ten D in every game at the end of the season. That guy is a moron if he thinks it is that easy to pick a RW up in every draft. He is the best 2nd year QB ever to play in the NFL and has a SB ring. I agree that our SB team was built on our D, but we do not win the SB without him, plain and simple. We might have won with another top 5 QB in this league (Manning, Brady, Brees, Rodgers) but thats about it. He is going to be worth whatever we have to pay him plain and simple. Teams do not let QB's the caliber of RW go, they pay them. Stupid!

He also doesn't even mention the fact that every time he has had to lead our team back from a deficit he has. Think about his 9 loses (only 9 in 37 career games) I can only think of 1 or 2 that we did not have a lead in the 4th quarter (The Rams and niners his rookie year). That is simply crazy. Every time that he has had to lead us back he has. We have a chance to win every game because he is on our team.

[kalibane]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say this person is young or a bandwagon fan. Anyone who watched the Seahawks in the Early 90s when the Hawks had a great defense and Chris Warren leading the AFC in rushing for 3 straight seasons, but the franchise was desperate to find a competent QB, and had a revolving door at the position would never say something like this.

Hell anyone watching Curt Warner and the Easley/Green led defense falling short of getting to the Superbowl because Zorn was a limited sandlot QB and Dave Krieg's constant fumbling wouldn't say that.

You have a QB like this, a guy who's work ethic is never going to wane, who is never going to feel satisfied with where he is and is always trying to be better, who has the physical tools to make the throws, the intelligence to not turn the ball over and isn't scared to make plays. You keep him period. Maybe he will never throw for 5000 yards or 45 TDs, but the combination of intelligence, work ethic and physical skill is incredibly hard to find.

In short this guy is an idiot.

[NorthHawk]

I guess he's fully bought into the premise that Defenses win championships.
What he doesn't understand is they can't do that if the QB is turning the ball over or not able to convert on Defensive turnovers.

That in my mind is the key to Russell's success - not turning the ball over and taking advantage of our own Defense's takeaways.
Then as an added bonus, he's able to step up his game when needed.
Not all QBs can do that successfully.

[HumanCockroach]

Nah, you SIGN Wilson. That said, this team IMO could indeed get to and win a SB without him, but a hell of a LOT of things would have to bounce Seattles way, and IMHO that isn't worth the risk.

I really feel like Wilsons career arc is on the same path as Brady, I just hope they can figure out a way to not allow so much D to exit, as to make what the offense does, ultimately mean no more titles. ( and by that I mean 5 years down the road)

[c_hawkbob]

Let's see; 8 4th quarter comebacks and 10 game winning drives (11 if you count the 2 in that Chicago game) in 2 years .

No Russ didn't put the team on his back to win XLVIII, he didn't need to, but without him we never would have been in the Super Bowl in the first place.

Dude's just trying to think out of the box ... but sometimes out of the box is into the toilet.

[rottweiler]

In short this guy is an idiot.

... and a textbook narcissist in dire need of constant attention.

He probably takes selfies.

[Zorn76]

Anthony - Did you find that post at The Seattle Times?

lol, j/k - though it certainly sounds like something that would be written at that site.

Either way, they have zero credibility, with the lone exception being that they are merely a kid to begin with.

[jshawaii22]

Even if he is only 'average' as a QB, he is top 2 or 3 as a leader. I watched a NFL 'audio' special that had a lot of Russell, before and during the Super Bowl, and I was amazed by his leadership and the way he is totally in command of the offense and the players. Worth 20m+... yes. Can we afford him, ET, Sherman and the one we always forget to include, one Bobby Wagner... I don't know that answer.



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[Anthony]

Anthony - Did you find that post at The Seattle Times?

lol, j/k - though it certainly sounds like something that would be written at that site.

Either way, they have zero credibility, with the lone exception being that they are merely a kid to begin with.

Yup that's were it was.

[Vegaseahawk]

c_hawkbob, & jshawaii22 hit the nail on the head regarding RW. Dude is a once in a generation player. Leadership is an immeasurable that makes men do things they wouldn't normally do. Military leaders, CEO's, politicians, & top flight coaches have "IT", RW has "IT". NEVER underestimate the power of "IT". Could the Seahawks win another SB without RW? Yes. Could the Seahawks win another 3-5 SB's without RW, NO! Having said that, I wouldn't be surprised if he accepts less money that the 18-20 M range that teams pay their top QB's for the next few years because the man understands how contracts like that strap a team financially, & impede the long term goals that are common to RW & the Seahawks organization. The difference between Golden Tate & Russell Wilson is spelled out in that statement. I you read "Win Forever", you'd understand what I'm getting at.

[Hawktawk]

Its insanity to think Seattle is even remotely the same team without Wilson. Wow! Really? you havent been watching the same games I did. The guy id a freak. Seattle is a 7-9 to 9-7 ball club without him.

[monkey]

That said, this team IMO could indeed get to and win a SB without him,

LOL! I couldn't possibly disagree more! I mean everything that follows with HUMOR and NOT as a personal attack, but I disagree SO MUCH that I have to say the following.

There's not a snowballs chance in Hell we win the Superbowl without Wilson!!! We don't even win the division without him!
You think we could win it with Tarvaris at QB??? He didn't even TRY to get a starting job, because he KNOWS he stinks!
The Niners are the likely Super Bowl winners if Wilson isn't our QB.


Anthony, why is it that every single time I see you post something it has to do with your extreme love for Wilson and extreme anger for anyone DARING to denigrate him in any way?

It feels like it's become...obsessive...
Literally every thread you contribute to, even when it not directly about Wilson, becomes about Wilson...If people complain about the O-Line, you jump on board because Wilson might get hurt playing behind a bad line.
It's like you have the world's biggest man crush, and you just HAVE to let the world know over and over.
Sorry dude, but that's how you come across...
Look, I've been on board the Wilson train since literally day one, and took a lot of flak for it too, but even I, (he's my favorite player in the entire NFL, HANDS DOWN!) can see that there are reasonable arguments to be made that might suggest he's not actually Superman, or the Messiah.

[mykc14]

That said, this team IMO could indeed get to and win a SB without him,

LOL! I couldn't possibly disagree more! I mean everything that follows with HUMOR and NOT as a personal attack, but I disagree SO MUCH that I have to say the following.

There's not a snowballs chance in Hell we win the Superbowl without Wilson!!! We don't even win the division without him!
You think we could win it with Tarvaris at QB??? He didn't even TRY to get a starting job, because he KNOWS he stinks!
The Niners are the likely Super Bowl winners if Wilson isn't our QB.


Anthony, why is it that every single time I see you post something it has to do with your extreme love for Wilson and extreme anger for anyone DARING to denigrate him in any way?

It feels like it's become...obsessive...
Literally every thread you contribute to, even when it not directly about Wilson, becomes about Wilson...If people complain about the O-Line, you jump on board because Wilson might get hurt playing behind a bad line.
It's like you have the world's biggest man crush, and you just HAVE to let the world know over and over.
Sorry dude, but that's how you come across...
Look, I've been on board the Wilson train since literally day one, and took a lot of flak for it too, but even I, (he's my favorite player in the entire NFL, HANDS DOWN!) can see that there are reasonable arguments to be made that might suggest he's not actually Superman, or the Messiah.

I pretty much agree with everything here. The Hawks do not make it to the SB without RW, IMO. You also hit the nail on the head with Anthony. He is obsessed with RW and feels some strange sense that it is his job to defend him in every way shape or form. I love everything about RW, he is also my favorite player, and he seems to be an amazing person and leader but I allow people to have other opinions about him without threatening to take them out back and kick their a$$ or something. I imagine that you lose a lot of sleep reading posts from people, not understanding why they might think RW isn't the greatest QB in the NFL. I mean there are only 1 or 2 other qb's in the league that I would even think about trading straight up but if others want to call him an average QB who cares? They are wrong so what?

[RiverDog]

This is kinda like the game manager thread, on steroids. Russell was a critical component in both are season as well as our SB win. The defense as a whole was the key factor in both, but if you had to single out one individual as the team MVP, it would have to be Russell. Russell did what was asked of him and did it in a highly effective manner.

No way do we let Russell Wilson walk, and it would be out of character for him to make unreasonable demands that would force a crisis. Personally, I don't think he'll be asking for the moon, more like a top 5 contract, so I wouldn't expect a difficult time resigning him when the time comes to do so.

[Eaglehawk]

Most ridiculous comments I have ever read about RW.
Logic is way off.
He was way more than a game manager.
And not all qb's who are elite are smart. Just ask about Farve's last few playoff games.

[Anthony]

That said, this team IMO could indeed get to and win a SB without him,

LOL! I couldn't possibly disagree more! I mean everything that follows with HUMOR and NOT as a personal attack, but I disagree SO MUCH that I have to say the following.

There's not a snowballs chance in Hell we win the Superbowl without Wilson!!! We don't even win the division without him!
You think we could win it with Tarvaris at QB??? He didn't even TRY to get a starting job, because he KNOWS he stinks!
The Niners are the likely Super Bowl winners if Wilson isn't our QB.


Anthony, why is it that every single time I see you post something it has to do with your extreme love for Wilson and extreme anger for anyone DARING to denigrate him in any way?

It feels like it's become...obsessive...
Literally every thread you contribute to, even when it not directly about Wilson, becomes about Wilson...If people complain about the O-Line, you jump on board because Wilson might get hurt playing behind a bad line.
It's like you have the world's biggest man crush, and you just HAVE to let the world know over and over.
Sorry dude, but that's how you come across...
Look, I've been on board the Wilson train since literally day one, and took a lot of flak for it too, but even I, (he's my favorite player in the entire NFL, HANDS DOWN!) can see that there are reasonable arguments to be made that might suggest he's not actually Superman, or the Messiah.

Dude all I did was post what some else posted and asked what others thought. Obviously you do not read all my posts I myself have been critical of Rw when he deserved it. I made an observation about the o-line being bad and having been bad for several years. I think the problem here is you are reading way more into this than you should, or just want to start something either way, or way off base.

[monkey]

OK...I've read pretty much everything you've written going back to the P-I, but if you tell me that I am misreading you, then I will say no more about it, and apologize if I offended you, which believe it or not, (and I won't blame you if you don't), really wasn't my intent.

EDIT: the following two links ought to give anyone all the ammunition they will ever need to permanently shut up any idiot arguing that Wilson isn't that good.

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/content/spectacular-russell-wilson-deserves-respect-and-much-more/28399/?utm_source=crowdignite.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=crowdignite.com

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/1/31/5361292/russell-wilson-seattle-seahawks-denver-broncos-super-bowl-48-preview

The first link points out that, "A deeper look at the numbers shows that Wilson isn't just underrated (and underpaid), he’s turned in the best two-season start of any quarterback in league history."
The second link may be the best, most balanced article I've ever read on him, it specifically tackles the game manager myth, and completely decimates it.

[Hawktawk]

Being obsessed with RW is not a bad thing. All time record for wins in his first 2 seasons. 58 TD passes and several rushing TD's.Between his passing yards and team record rushing yards he put up 4000 yards of offense, more than any Seahawks QB ever. He has won in spite of very poor pass blocking including the SB.

He was my MVP. Smith and lots of defenders had great games but Wilson completed perfect balls to 7 or 8 different guys and never came close to turning it over. He also bailed Bevell out on a horrible risky throwback call when he should have been sacked for a 10 yard loss. Seattle later scored on the drive.I think the voters balked because they didn't want his royal highness Manning being "embarrassed" by watching a 5'10" runt win it over him. Oh that's right Manning doesn't get embarrassed:-)Thats an insulting word to tell you the truth ROFLMAO.

Anyone who thinks Seattle has similar success without RW needs a new pharmacist.

[HumanCockroach]

That said, this team IMO could indeed get to and win a SB without him,

LOL! I couldn't possibly disagree more! I mean everything that follows with HUMOR and NOT as a personal attack, but I disagree SO MUCH that I have to say the following.

There's not a snowballs chance in Hell we win the Superbowl without Wilson!!! We don't even win the division without him!
You think we could win it with Tarvaris at QB??? He didn't even TRY to get a starting job, because he KNOWS he stinks!
The Niners are the likely Super Bowl winners if Wilson isn't our QB.


Anthony, why is it that every single time I see you post something it has to do with your extreme love for Wilson and extreme anger for anyone DARING to denigrate him in any way?

It feels like it's become...obsessive...
Literally every thread you contribute to, even when it not directly about Wilson, becomes about Wilson...If people complain about the O-Line, you jump on board because Wilson might get hurt playing behind a bad line.
It's like you have the world's biggest man crush, and you just HAVE to let the world know over and over.
Sorry dude, but that's how you come across...
Look, I've been on board the Wilson train since literally day one, and took a lot of flak for it too, but even I, (he's my favorite player in the entire NFL, HANDS DOWN!) can see that there are reasonable arguments to be made that might suggest he's not actually Superman, or the Messiah.

Read the rest of the post Monkey, not just one line. Also, I didn't say we won the SB last year, I said they could get to and win A SB without him, not remotely the same things, and I even compared him to the career arc of Brady.

At NO point was I dissing him, or cutting the man down.

[monkey]

Anyone who thinks Seattle has similar success without RW needs a new pharmacist.

This is a fact.

I'm glad you said what you did about Wilson being your MVP of the Super Bowl. I don't quite agree because I personally think it should have gone to Kam Chancellor, whose play I would characterize as out-of-his-mind good, except that he ALWAYS seems to play like that! His hits early set the tone for the whole game, and got the Broncos receivers making business decisions and running vertically instead of horizontally after the catch. His pick, his hits on Thomas and Welker were SICK...things of absolute BEAUTY and just took all the fight out of the Broncos.

Still, I don't think Wilson gets NEARLY the credit he deserves for the win. The Broncos game planned well to take away the Seahawks run game, and yet Wilson, without much run support, (except for the threat that Harvin posed) methodically TORE APART the Broncos defense on drive after drive after drive.
Somehow the defense gets all the credit for the win, but years from now, when people re-watch the game, and the idiotic media slant will no longer be so prevalent, people will realize just how much Wilson did to get that win.
No turnovers (for the WHOLE PLAYOFF RUN BTW!!!), a super QB rating, a very high T.O.P. without much of a run game...Wilson did to the Broncos exactly what Manning did to everyone else all year long.
Wilson was terrific. Period.

[monkey]

Read the rest of the post Monkey, not just one line. Also, I didn't say we won the SB last year, I said they could get to and win A SB without him, not remotely the same things, and I even compared him to the career arc of Brady.

At NO point was I dissing him, or cutting the man down.

I KNOW you weren't! I know you weren't knocking him at ALL< and I swear I wasn't trying to suggest you were. I know you FAR better than to think you don't appreciate Wilson for what he really is.
I tried to convey via what I said about "the following being said in Humor", that I was just disagreeing with one particular idea (one I have read MANY times in other places).
I know you were NOT knocking him. I get you man. I understood what you were saying, and I really did read your entire post, I was just having fun cherry picking that one line, specifically.
We're cool, trust me I got you!

[Zorn76]

Anthony - Did you find that post at The Seattle Times?

lol, j/k - though it certainly sounds like something that would be written at that site.

Either way, they have zero credibility, with the lone exception being that they are merely a kid to begin with.

Yup that's were it was.

LMAO.

Classic Seattle Times crap.

The most worthless Seahawks forum on the 'net, bar none.

[Hawktawk]

Anyone who thinks Seattle has similar success without RW needs a new pharmacist.

This is a fact.

I'm glad you said what you did about Wilson being your MVP of the Super Bowl. I don't quite agree because I personally think it should have gone to Kam Chancellor, whose play I would characterize as out-of-his-mind good, except that he ALWAYS seems to play like that! His hits early set the tone for the whole game, and got the Broncos receivers making business decisions and running vertically instead of horizontally after the catch. His pick, his hits on Thomas and Welker were SICK...things of absolute BEAUTY and just took all the fight out of the Broncos.

Still, I don't think Wilson gets NEARLY the credit he deserves for the win. The Broncos game planned well to take away the Seahawks run game, and yet Wilson, without much run support, (except for the threat that Harvin posed) methodically TORE APART the Broncos defense on drive after drive after drive.
Somehow the defense gets all the credit for the win, but years from now, when people re-watch the game, and the idiotic media slant will no longer be so prevalent, people will realize just how much Wilson did to get that win.
No turnovers (for the WHOLE PLAYOFF RUN BTW!!!), a super QB rating, a very high T.O.P. without much of a run game...Wilson did to the Broncos exactly what Manning did to everyone else all year long.
Wilson was terrific. Period.

Cam Bam had a huge game and has been a stud his entire career. For all the things ET and Sherm bring to the table he is the glue that holds the LOB together, the one guy who strikes fear into opposing receivers.

As for Harvin in the SB watch closely the hand offs on the fly sweeps. Wilson has such expert ball handling skills the Denver defense was fooled into thinking he had the ball and was running the read option both times. That takes extreme precision and attention to detail. Like you say, he gets not nearly enough credit for bringing home the hardware, as evidenced by people who actually think Seattle should let him walk.

[Anthony]

OK...I've read pretty much everything you've written going back to the P-I, but if you tell me that I am misreading you, then I will say no more about it, and apologize if I offended you, which believe it or not, (and I won't blame you if you don't), really wasn't my intent.

EDIT: the following two links ought to give anyone all the ammunition they will ever need to permanently shut up any idiot arguing that Wilson isn't that good.

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/content/spectacular-russell-wilson-deserves-respect-and-much-more/28399/?utm_source=crowdignite.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=crowdignite.com

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/1/31/5361292/russell-wilson-seattle-seahawks-denver-broncos-super-bowl-48-preview

The first link points out that, "A deeper look at the numbers shows that Wilson isn't just underrated (and underpaid), he’s turned in the best two-season start of any quarterback in league history."
The second link may be the best, most balanced article I've ever read on him, it specifically tackles the game manager myth, and completely decimates it.

No worries dude were all good, and yeah those are 2 great articles.

[burrrton]

What do I think? I think anyone that thinks SEA should let RW walk needs to either put down the bong or share.

[Anthony]

What do I think? I think anyone that thinks SEA should let RW walk needs to either put down the bong or share.

LOL

[monkey]

Cam Bam had a huge game and has been a stud his entire career. For all the things ET and Sherm bring to the table he is the glue that holds the LOB together, the one guy who strikes fear into opposing receivers.

Coudn't agree more, and for that matter, neither could the front office. Know how I know that? Because when it came time to start re-signing players, priority number one of the players they could re-sign under the CBA, was Kam Chancellor.
While his contract isn't huge, (in retrospect anyway) at the time I remember hearing several fans whine that they overpaid Kam, and that his contract would keep them from re-signing the better players in that secondary Thomas and Sherman, (something I strongly disagreed with then, and still strongly disagree with now!), his contract isn't prohibitive at all, though it does tell you how much they value him. Rightfully so!

Ronnie Lott, not too long ago, said that the best safety he ever saw play was Kenny Easley, (he's right about that!) and that the player right now who he feels is the best safety, and is the best comp to Easley, is none other than Kan Chancellor.
Ronnie Lott said that.
He ought to know.
As great as Sherm and ET are, Kam is right there with them, which is why this secondary is so amazing...we really do have the two best safeties and the best cornerback playing today all on the same team. That's...well that's never happened before EVER.

The answer to the question, what is the best secondary ever assembled? L.O.B.!

[NorthHawk]

Kam and Earl have different roles so it's not really fair to compare the two.
Each has abilities or qualities the other doesn't and that's why they play so well together.
It's been a perfect fit so far and I hope to see it continue for quite a few more years.

[monkey]

Kam and Earl have different roles so it's not really fair to compare the two.
Each has abilities or qualities the other doesn't and that's why they play so well together.
It's been a perfect fit so far and I hope to see it continue for many, many, many more years.

Fixed that for ya
Seriously though, I'd love to see them both retire Seahawks, or at the very least, play the vast majority of their careers here, as they make the PERFECT 1-2 punch at safety.
Remember the old WWF? Back when I was a kid/teenager there was a tag team called the Heart Foundation featuring Jim "the Anvil" Niedhart and Brett "the Hitman" Hart.

Brett was all about speed and finesse, and he was a NASTY finisher, where Jim was about power and wearing down the other opponents. Together they were perfectly matched, because each had a strength the other didn't. *Disclaimer, yes I know it's fake, but I am making a point here.

Anyway, I've always thought of those two (Kam and Earl) as the "Anvil" and the "Hitman". They perfectly compliment each others strengths and cover each others weaknesses.
Kam "the Anvil" Chancellor and Earl "the Hitman" Thomas... that's not bad actually.

[HumanCockroach]

I prefer to think of them as Demolition, the name fits better, and there is a hell of a lot less hot pink, and a hell of a lot cooler music.... LOL

[monkey]

I prefer to think of them as Demolition, the name fits better, and there is a hell of a lot less hot pink, and a hell of a lot cooler music.... LOL

I hadn't thought of the hot pink in relation to the LOB....you raise a good point there. I'll have to look up demolition, they must have been after I stopped watching I think.

[HumanCockroach]

I prefer to think of them as Demolition, the name fits better, and there is a hell of a lot less hot pink, and a hell of a lot cooler music.... LOL

I hadn't thought of the hot pink in relation to the LOB....you raise a good point there. I'll have to look up demolition, they must have been after I stopped watching I think.

Maybe before, Demolition was huge in the mid 80's, first real "bad guys" had a few matches with the Hart foundation right when they were taking off. First tag team to really have singing in their entrance, black leather and studs, really like Judas priest and Kiss combo LOL. "Here comes the axe, here comes the smasher, demolition, walking disaster, here comes the axe, here comes the smasher, smashing the axe into disaster" or something like that. My brother in law was HUGE into wrasslin' back then, we all got together to watch every week ( what can I say, my current wifes brother, and I felt like I needed to "fit in" with the fam)... LOL...

[kalibane]

Wrasslin Tangent...

I really didn't want to jump into this but my inner 12 year old just can't be denied. Demolition was a blatant Road Warriors ripoff, so if we have to go with a classic wrestling tag team I say go with them. They were cooler, they were the originals, they are way more celebrated and they also carried Legion of Doom as their nickname..

[HumanCockroach]

Wrasslin Tangent...

I really didn't want to jump into this but my inner 12 year old just can't be denied. Demolition was a blatant Road Warriors ripoff, so if we have to go with a classic wrestling tag team I say go with them. They were cooler, they were the originals, they are way more celebrated and they also carried Legion of Doom as their nickname..

Ahh, I thought about Hawk and Animal, but we were in the WWF so I stayed there, Axe and Smash very well may have been a gimmick ripoff from them, but the road warriors were in the AWA not the WWF at the time, and didn't appear in the WWF until the 90's. I too liked them better, better wrasslers LOL, but for the purpose of what I said, I stuck with the guys that were originally in the WWF.