Russell Wilson

[Hawktawk]

If Jacksonville was such a dud last year Genos perfect performance proved nothing what does it say when Brady puts 3 on a 1 win Carolina team that just fired their coach and traded their only star ?

The Geno shade is ridiculous . Todd Bowles would trade Brady most likely at this point . I see Burrow is back being preferred after the same people beat him up for his start to the season , flash in the pan etc. I agree on Burrow btw. What a stud . I’ll put him with Mahomes and Allen .
But there’s people in Hawks land that were dead wrong about how this was going to go ( most of them) who will always damn Geno with faint praise . I saw a survey on Seahawks radio that listed Geno as 4th as a reason for our surprising season so far . Lots of fans have no clue what we have here .

[c_hawkbob]

I think Father Time has finally caught up to Brady. He might have a game or two now and again but I wouldn't trade Drew Lock for him at this point.

[RiverDog]

I think Father Time has finally caught up to Brady. He might have a game or two now and again but I wouldn't trade Drew Lock for him at this point.

I'm not so sure. Brady has won so much so often that the law of averages might be what's catching up to him. His stat line still looks damn good, he's not taking that many sacks and has thrown just one INT. Did you see that pass that Mike Evans dropped last Sunday?

[NorthHawk]

His OL is playing badly and with him not being mobile (ever) he’s having to throw early and is taking more hits
than he usually has. As well, their run game isn’t as productive as it once was.

[RiverDog]

So I'll go out on a limb and predict that if the Broncos lose to Jacksonville this Sunday, Hackett gets the axe.

I swear, I made my prediction before I read this article quoting Mike Florio:

"What I know is they have a group of owners who did not hire Nathaniel Hackett and the Walmart crowd, they are smart, they are rich and they are ruthless -- and I mean that in the most positive way that the word ruthless can be used. They are not going to make anything other than a calculated, strategic business decision about what to do with Nathaniel Hackett."

Florio mentioned he has talked to other people in the NFL about how teams may compound mistakes by not admitting to them. But he added that the best football teams are quicker to acknowledge mistakes, and if the Broncos lose to the Jacksonville Jaguars this week, the Walton-Penner ownership group may have seen enough.

Closer to home (Denver), KOA Radio's Broncos insider Benjamin Allbright also spoke on the subject of the new owners showing Hackett the door if things continue to go sideways across the pond.

"I would have said (and have) no in-season firing, that they'd wait til after the year, but I know ownership is embarrassed. Really felt a shift yesterday that if this thing doesn't get turned around and fast that anything is possible," Allbright said on Twitter.

https://www.si.com/nfl/broncos/news/wal ... kett-rumor

FYI this game is across the pond in London, airs at 6:30am PDT this Sunday, and can only be seen live on ESPN+. I've already used up my free trial, so I might just have to subscribe.

[Hawktawk]

I think Father Time has finally caught up to Brady. He might have a game or two now and again but I wouldn't trade Drew Lock for him at this point.

Yeah Father Time and GIselle The GOAT need to go.

[Hawktawk]

[quote="NorthHawk"]His OL is playing badly and with him not being mobile (ever) he’s having to throw early and is taking more hits
than he usually has. As well, their run game isn’t as productive as it once was.[/quo
Yeah he made sure his line knew about it too. Ugly mess there in Tompa. Watching him vs the Rams in the Divisional I said this needs to be it. Well...... Father time is the biggest problem. Toms been knocked around before.

[RiverDog]

It looks like Russell's hamstring injury is worse than originally thought:

Wilson underwent tests on Tuesday that revealed he has a partially torn hamstring, Ian Rapoport of NFL Media reports. The injury, which is classified as a Grade 2 hamstring strain, typically requires multiple weeks of rest and rehab because of the risk of additional damage.

The smart move would be to sit Russell and let that hammy mend, the bye week giving him a little extra time.

Rypien was downright horrible last week. The Jags have been an up and down team this season but have been mostly down lately as like the Broncos, they have lost their last 4 in a row. If the Donkeys can't beat the Jags, it's going to be another huge embarrasment for Hackett and Co. It's a game that they should win and if they don't, their schedule only gets tougher after their bye, with teams like the Titans, Ravens, and Chiefs x2 on their pallet. There's lots of rumors about them trading several players prior to next Tuesday's deadline.

I love the drama!

[Hawktawk]

Suddenly Munich looks doable. Based on scoring 3 points vs Carolina it looks like a DOA team right now. Main difference besides Brady age is Arians has left the building. Coaching matters. I wonder if Arians retired knowing Brady was running on empty with 4 flat tires, I believe he announced his retirement after Brady announced his return. I stand corrected if not. Bowles is a lightweight with 1 good season as a HC, good not great. I feel much better about this one, well all of them.

[Hawktawk]

It looks like Russell's hamstring injury is worse than originally thought:

Wilson underwent tests on Tuesday that revealed he has a partially torn hamstring, Ian Rapoport of NFL Media reports. The injury, which is classified as a Grade 2 hamstring strain, typically requires multiple weeks of rest and rehab because of the risk of additional damage.

The smart move would be to sit Russell and let that hammy mend, the bye week giving him a little extra time.

Rypien was downright horrible last week. The Jags have been an up and down team this season but have been mostly down lately as like the Broncos, they have lost their last 4 in a row. If the Donkeys can't beat the Jags, it's going to be another huge embarrasment for Hackett and Co. It's a game that they should win and if they don't, their schedule gets tougher after their bye. There's lots of rumors about them trading several players prior to next Tuesday's deadline.

I love the drama!

Someone said a while back we may well get a top 5 pick from Denver. Before a single game was played...
Love the drama.

[RiverDog]

Someone said a while back we may well get a top 5 pick from Denver. Before a single game was played...
Love the drama.

More gloating?

You're not the only one that before the season said that we could very likely end up with a very high draft pick from the Broncos. I, for one, have never been impressed with the Broncos.

[Oly]

When he was traded, I saw him as a borderline top-10 QB in decline and expected him to be middle-of-the-pack this season (which says more about the overall-bad level of QB play in the league right now), but I didn't expect this decline.

Like one of the posts above said, I think this is about his situation more than ability though. With a strong coach and strong system catered to his skills, I think Russ could still be top-10. But he can't see himself objectively, and when paired with a weak and crappy rookie HC, his hero complex takes over and he doesn't play within himself. Pair that with the death of his best friend and mental strength coach, Trevor, and he has sent himself into a spiral from which he can't escape. It's actually much like a Greek tragedy. Everyone can see how the character is dooming himself, but the character can't see it and so has no way to pull out of the tailspin while we all watch. It's sad.

[I-5]

When he was traded, I saw him as a borderline top-10 QB in decline and expected him to be middle-of-the-pack this season (which says more about the overall-bad level of QB play in the league right now), but I didn't expect this decline.

Like one of the posts above said, I think this is about his situation more than ability though. With a strong coach and strong system catered to his skills, I think Russ could still be top-10. But he can't see himself objectively, and when paired with a weak and crappy rookie HC, his hero complex takes over and he doesn't play within himself. Pair that with the death of his best friend and mental strength coach, Trevor, and he has sent himself into a spiral from which he can't escape. It's actually much like a Greek tragedy. Everyone can see how the character is dooming himself, but the character can't see it and so has no way to pull out of the tailspin while we all watch. It's sad.

Well said, and nice literary reference...you've just elevated the discourse. It's been years since my greek philosophy class at the UW, but I looked it up and found this: Greek tragedies feature a high-born character of ordinary moral virtue. This means that the character, though not villainous, exhibits a realistic, but fatal flaw, known as hamartia.

Then I had to look up 'hamartia' and found some interesting references in Shakespeare:

Hamlet–fear of direct confrontation
Macbeth–violent ambition
Romeo and Juliet–impatience, adolescent passion
Othello–extreme jealousy
King Lear–stubborn pride, anger
Julius Caesar–excessive pride, quest for power
Brutus–blind idealism, poor judgment
Coriolanus–egocentric, inability to connect with others
Cressida–unfaithfulness
Timon–inability to recognize true natures of his friends

And in modern pop culture:

Walter White (Breaking Bad)–beloved teacher and family man who loses everything due to his drive for power
Don Draper (Mad Men)–successful businessman who loses everything due to his infidelities and secrecy
Daenerys Targaryen (Game of Thrones)–liberator of people who loses her life due to obsessive power and violent ambition
Tony Soprano (The Sopranos)–business and family man who cannot escape the mob life due to his hypocrisy and violent tendencies
Jackie Peyton (Nurse Jackie)–caring emergency room nurse brought down due to drug addiction

In Wilson's case, it is definitely his hero complex. It's what drives him to want to play even with a major injury, because he believes he can always save the day no matter what, against all circumstance, even when we can all see the truth.

[RiverDog]

In Wilson's case, it is definitely his hero complex. It's what drives him to want to play even with a major injury, because he believes he can always save the day no matter what, against all circumstance, even when we can all see the truth.

I don't disagree with that at all, and although none of us know what it is inside Russell that makes him tick, it would explain a lot. It's not necessarily a bad trait, either. But as I've said before, an overdone strength becomes a weakness.

[RiverDog]

This seems a little strange...

Russell Wilson worked out and stretched for four of the eight hours on the flight from Denver to London. Said he was doing high knees in the aisle when the rest of the guys were asleep.

https://twitter.com/ZacStevensDNVR/stat ... _&ref_url=

That's a little bizarre if you ask me.

[Aseahawkfan]

This seems a little strange...

Russell Wilson worked out and stretched for four of the eight hours on the flight from Denver to London. Said he was doing high knees in the aisle when the rest of the guys were asleep.

https://twitter.com/ZacStevensDNVR/stat ... _&ref_url=

That's a little bizarre if you ask me.

He plans to play with a hamstring injury. So he's keeping it warmed up, stretched, and as ready to go as possible. It's Russell. He doesn't like to miss games.

[I-5]

Hero complex. Not surprising at all.

[Aseahawkfan]

Hero complex. Not surprising at all.

People used to call it being tough for your team. They used to respect a player who played through injuries and pain.

But I guess when that player isn't playing well and fans are piling on, it' becomes a hero complex.

No one was calling it a hero complex when Ronnie Lott was cutting his pinky finger off or Jack Youngblood was wrapping broken leg. Or Drew Brees was playing with broken ribs. Or Ben R was playing hurt.

But Russ does it and it's a hero complex.

[RiverDog]

He plans to play with a hamstring injury. So he's keeping it warmed up, stretched, and as ready to go as possible. It's Russell. He doesn't like to miss games.

I can see a few leg lifts every 15 minutes or so to keep it loose, but 4 hours of it on an 8 hour flight? Can you imagine trying to read or get some sleep with someone walking up and down the aisles doing leg lifts for 4 hours? I can just here the guys: "Jesus Christ, Russell...Would you sit down?!"

Do you think that kind of activity is what a physical therapist would recommend?

Here's another take:

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2022/10/26 ... uars-tweet

[I-5]

If you read Oly’s comment, it’s more than just being a gamer. The fatal flaw is his hero complex, believing he can save every game, when he clearly cannot. Why else would he declare himself fit to play last year vs Green Bay despite knowing Geno just played an excellent game vs Jacksonville and admitting later his finger hadn’t healed? Instead of following doctors orders to rest, he believed his not fully healed finger gave the Seahawks a better chance than a healthy Geno in Green Bay. Hero complex.

[RiverDog]

Hero complex. Not surprising at all.

People used to call it being tough for your team. They used to respect a player who played through injuries and pain.

But I guess when that player isn't playing well and fans are piling on, it' becomes a hero complex.

No one was calling it a hero complex when Ronnie Lott was cutting his pinky finger off or Jack Youngblood was wrapping broken leg. Or Drew Brees was playing with broken ribs. Or Ben R was playing hurt.

But Russ does it and it's a hero complex.

Or Willis Reed gutting it out in the NBA Championship, or Kirk Gibson hitting a home run and barely able to make it around the bases.

However, last year it was obvious that Russell came back at least a game too soon as we had to change the offensive game plan to accommodate his limitations due to his injury. He hurt our chances to win by coming back and being a hero. Pete should have never allowed that to happen. If Hackett allows Russell to play and makes similar changes to his game plan that Pete did last season, he'll be signing his death warrant. Frankly, I hope he does play, and that the Broncos do a face plant.

And at least as far as last year's Green Bay game goes, I agree with I-5. There's no way in hell an injured Russell Wilson gave us the best chance to win.

[Hawktawk]

Someone said a while back we may well get a top 5 pick from Denver. Before a single game was played...
Love the drama.

“More gloating?

You're not the only one that before the season said that we could very likely end up with a very high draft pick from the Broncos. I, for one, have never been impressed with the Broncos.[/quote]
It appeared you were just gloating over having suggested Hackett would be fired if they lose to Jacksonville before the national media suggested it .
If I’m gloating it’s over saying Pete Fing Carrol had no intention of a rebuild . John Schneider either . I said we would win 10. I said if Geno 22 is Geno 21 we’re in great shape at the position . I looked at film on these rookie tackles and looked at their measurables and said they would perform well immediately . Said we would run the ball on everyone . I said our D would be better and was wrong for 5 games but look the F out .
That’s a lot to gloat about but it’s a snapshot . It’s week 8. Anything can happen . But I’d have thought I’d get a little more positive feedback then pointing out I’m gloating for being 100% right about all of this . So far

[I-5]

If I’m gloating it’s over saying Pete Fing Carrol had no intention of a rebuild . John Schneider either . I said we would win 10. I said if Geno 22 is Geno 21 we’re in great shape at the position . I looked at film on these rookie tackles and looked at their measurables and said they would perform well immediately . Said we would run the ball on everyone . I said our D would be better and was wrong for 5 games but look the F out .
That’s a lot to gloat about but it’s a snapshot . It’s week 8. Anything can happen . But I’d have thought I’d get a little more positive feedback then pointing out I’m gloating for being 100% right about all of this . So far

I don’t see how it’s gloating to have called it correctly, either.

[c_hawkbob]

If I’m gloating it’s over saying Pete Fing Carrol had no intention of a rebuild . John Schneider either . I said we would win 10. I said if Geno 22 is Geno 21 we’re in great shape at the position . I looked at film on these rookie tackles and looked at their measurables and said they would perform well immediately . Said we would run the ball on everyone . I said our D would be better and was wrong for 5 games but look the F out .
That’s a lot to gloat about but it’s a snapshot . It’s week 8. Anything can happen . But I’d have thought I’d get a little more positive feedback then pointing out I’m gloating for being 100% right about all of this . So far

I don’t see how it’s gloating to have called it correctly, either.

Then you lack understanding of the term.

gloating
/ˈɡlōdiNG/
Learn to pronounce
adjective
dwelling on one's own success or another's misfortune with smugness or malignant pleasure.

Being correct doesn't absolve you of gloating, it means you were correct. As far as I can see almost all of us at one time or another has given HT props on calling things correctly. It's just hard to expect anyone else to sing your praises when you are constantly singing your own.

[RiverDog]

Being correct doesn't absolve you of gloating, it means you were correct. As far as I can see almost all of us at one time or another has given HT props on calling things correctly. It's just hard to expect anyone else to sing your praises when you are constantly singing your own.

I couldn't have said it better or at least as eloquently. Thanks.

[Old but Slow]

Are we keeping score? Or is it a rating system, or an algorithm? So, how have I been doing? I don't care how you rate, its about me.

[RiverDog]

Are we keeping score? Or is it a rating system, or an algorithm? So, how have I been doing? I don't care how you rate, its about me.

If we're keeping score, how far back do we go? Do we go back to 2010 and Tim Tebow? Or do we stop at the 2014 draft when one poster kept singing the praises of Johnny Manziel? Do you get atta boys for simply predicting a win, or should it be based on beating a point spread or final score prediction?

There's another forum that I frequent that has a rating system where you get points for a reaction score, plus points for a thumbs up, negative points for a thumbs down, and can see where you rank against other posters. Perhaps we can do something like that in here.

I can see lots of possibilities. After all, this forum isn't about an exchange of ideas and opinions, it's a contest between who's right and who's wrong, isn't it?

And ObS, you've been right a lot, but you need to do a better job of blowing your own horn.

[Hawktawk]

If I’m gloating it’s over saying Pete Fing Carrol had no intention of a rebuild . John Schneider either . I said we would win 10. I said if Geno 22 is Geno 21 we’re in great shape at the position . I looked at film on these rookie tackles and looked at their measurables and said they would perform well immediately . Said we would run the ball on everyone . I said our D would be better and was wrong for 5 games but look the F out .
That’s a lot to gloat about but it’s a snapshot . It’s week 8. Anything can happen . But I’d have thought I’d get a little more positive feedback then pointing out I’m gloating for being 100% right about all of this . So far

I don’t see how it’s gloating to have called it correctly, either.[/quote]


Yes especially how I spent a year being attacked for my views and observations, accused of being biased due to Russell hatred, a scumbag with half the character of wilson delusional, out to lunch, pipe dream, Hell I had a guy right on this forum say he doesn't consider Geno a competent starter yet Told me told me to " pound sand" when I asked if he could get himself to say it. Say it, its easy.You can do it
People would rather argue. And they don''t like being wrong and most will weasel around and never admit it.But it goes 2 ways. If Im taking abuse and I wind up right ill sure as hell remind the Debbie downers fans. Petes washed up, were gonna suck and don't argue with me Blah blah blah
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!

[Hawktawk]

Are we keeping score? Or is it a rating system, or an algorithm? So, how have I been doing? I don't care how you rate, its about me.

If we're keeping score, how far back do we go? Do we go back to 2010 and Tim Tebow? Or do we stop at the 2014 draft when one poster kept singing the praises of Johnny Manziel? Do you get atta boys for simply predicting a win, or should it be based on beating a point spread or final score prediction?

There's another forum that I frequent that has a rating system where you get points for a reaction score, plus points for a thumbs up, negative points for a thumbs down, and can see where you rank against other posters. Perhaps we can do something like that in here.

I can see lots of possibilities. After all, this forum isn't about an exchange of ideas and opinions, it's a contest between who's right and who's wrong, isn't it?

And ObS, you've been right a lot, but you need to do a better job of blowing your own horn.[/quote ]

Well ok lets go back 12 years to Tebow Sounds like "were building around Tavares" you like that one. Be wrong once you're a dunce.Pete Carroll has forgotten more about football than you or I or anyone else in here will ever know.
Geno makes my point about Tebow. I do not believe for a second he was not one of the 32 best QBs at the time he was basically blackballed. Its an unknown, just like If Pete hadn't coached up Geno and taken the raft of abuse from the fans and trusted him we would never have never heard from him. I've felt for a long time there is way more than 32 guys capable of doing the job. This year is sort of giving legs to my theory. Hackett would trade Russ for him right now.

Manziel? It took about 1 picture of him snorting coke for me to be off the bandwagon. Not sure why the subject keeps coming up Mr Pete Sucks, were doomed.
I exchanged my Ideas, my hunches and you specifically accused me of being unreasonable due to Russ bias. Nobody else on the forum was as bullish on Seattle as I. Ind Ive caught a raft of crap for a year but now its keeping score when I say hey wait a minute. Remember all the sarcasm and outright abuse, insults?. But be quiet HT.
River you are never wrong, ever. Its how it is.

[RiverDog]

Back on topic.

The Broncos GM threw some cold water on the rumors swirling around a possible trade of Bradley Chubb. Apparently, there's been a number of teams calling to inquire about Bradley Chubb as the rumor was that he'd be one of several players put on the block should the Broncos lose to the Jags in London this week, which would send them to a 2-6 record roughly halfway through the season and put their playoff odds down around 90% against. It would be nice to see them throw in the towel on this season.

It sounds like Russell Wilson might start Sunday's game. He was listed as a limited participant, but word is that he's "trending in the right direction". Apparently, the shoulder injury is no longer a concern, that it's all about the hammy.

Speculation is still swirling around Nathanial Hackett. If the Donkeys lose, Hackett could be gone as early as next week.

[RiverDog]

You guys will have to check out some of these memes about Russell working out on the flight to London:

Russ in the aisle of the airplane:

https://twitter.com/FanDuel/status/1585293583783178242

Russell Wilson while everyone is asleep on the plane:

https://twitter.com/overtime/status/1515099511651282956

Russell Wilson at 3am in the team plane aisle:

https://twitter.com/blueorangegator/sta ... 7817041920

Wilson hasn't been announced as the Broncos' starter for Sunday's game, but coach Nathaniel Hackett has said Wilson is "trending in the direction" of playing.

After four hours of high-knees on the plane, he better be.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/ru ... 0d38a3be64

[Aseahawkfan]

Those were hilarious. Funnier than his Subway commercial.

[RiverDog]

Yeah, I thought that you guys might like those. There were a lot more, but the ones I posted were the funniest.

Russell should have just said that he kept his leg loose on the flight instead of being so outrageously specific, ie 4 hours of knee highs. He needs to realize that the worse he plays, the more of a laughingstock he becomes.

[RiverDog]

I never much liked Keyshawn Johnson, but he said something about Russell in an interview that I couldn't agree with more:

"I want him to just stop. That's what I want. Just. Stop with always telling everybody what you're doing and how you're doing it," said Johnson on ESPN on Thursday morning.

"Just be the quarterback of the team, man. Just do those sort of things. When I think about it, I like Russell. I like him a lot. I've interviewed him a bunch. I've been around him a bunch. But I don't need to hear you worked out for four hours on a plane, that you studied the film while everybody else was sleeping. I don't need to hear those sort of things. It's not going to make me think, oh, you're doing everything right and nobody else is doing anything, they're just sitting on the plane sleeping while you're so in tune with doing everything. What's going to happen is the things that are happening to him now. People think he's phony. People think he's a phony. It's all an act. It shouldn't be that way because he's a good football player when everything is going right. I just hate to see this happening to him, and eventually his teammates are going to start side-eying him if they have not already."

Russell just needs to STFU. Stay away from the cameras, at least until things turn around. When you find yourself in a hole, quit digging!

[jshawaii22]

RD, the NFL would never allow Russell to just STFU. They fined Marshawn and threatened to suspend him for it. Between Russell, TB12 and Aaron "it ain't my problem" Rodgers, this has sure already been one crazy year, and that's just what's going on off the field and in front of a camera.

[RiverDog]

RD, the NFL would never allow Russell to just STFU. They fined Marshawn and threatened to suspend him for it. Between Russell, TB12 and Aaron "it ain't my problem" Rodgers, this has sure already been one crazy year, and that's just what's going on off the field and in front of a camera.

That's true, but Russell goes in front of the cameras WAY too often, seems to enjoy the attention as the others you mentioned have a more normal reaction to continuous press scrutiny and would prefer that they just go away. As KJ says, Russell doesn't have to go into such exquisite detail as to his activities on an overseas flight. First of all, IMO it sounds too outrageous and corny, so much so that I think he's exaggerating. Secondly, even if it's true, it makes him look and sound silly and invites these hideous memes and jokes. Can you imagine a passenger in such a confined space as an aircraft cabin doing knee highs for 2/3's of a 6 hour long flight?

Russell is not playing well, and anything he says that goes beyond the standard, canned response is going to be ridiculed. He needs to just back away and quit trying to look like some sort of superhero.

[RiverDog]

Here's an article that best describes my opinion of Russell and some of the stupid chit he's been doing:

Russell Wilson is the King of Cringe, which is something you never want to be the king of.

Remember that time he did a whole two-minute offense routine all by himself before a game? He called plays and audibles and everything in front of fans and cameras before a game in which he wasn’t playing in due to injury.

I mean, what?

Remember the time he walked up and down the Broncos sideline telling teammates to yell “run!” or “pass!” depending on the other team’s play call?

That video was really tough to watch.

Have you seen those creepy Subway ads of his that went viral?

I’ll never know how he watched those back and thought it was a good idea to release them to the public.

Oh, and the worst thing might be how he ends most of his press conferences with the phrase “Broncos Country, let’s ride.”

Does he really think any Broncos fans are going to be fired up for that? Does he think that is cool? Does he think that’s neat?

Wilson took things to an even more cringey level this week when he told the media about how he spent a lot of the flight to London for this week’s game doing high knees up and down the aisles while his teammates slept.

Read that over again – he did high knees up and down the aisle while HIS TEAMMATES SLEPT.

And then he told the media about it! I mean, keep that stuff to yourself, Russ!

And therein lies the problem – does Russell Wilson not have anyone in his life who can say “hold on a second, don’t do that!”? We all need to have that one friend who can tell us we’re being too corny or too dumb or way too silly and to knock that stuff off. Russ needs that person and he needs them quickly!

Former teammate Richard Sherman and others have been quick to rip Wilson this season for a number to things and it’s starting to be easy to see why many in Seattle (like RiverDog!) grew tired of Wilson.

Russ is a good guy. He does a lot of good things for charity and none of the annoying things he does are done with bad intentions. He’s not a bad person, far from it.

Russ just needs someone by his side to tell him to knock this cringey stuff. ASAP!

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2022/10/brocnos-russell-wilson-king-of-cringe

[Hawktawk]

Here's an article that best describes my opinion of Russell and some of the stupid chit he's been doing:

Russell Wilson is the King of Cringe, which is something you never want to be the king of.

Remember that time he did a whole two-minute offense routine all by himself before a game? He called plays and audibles and everything in front of fans and cameras before a game in which he wasn’t playing in due to injury.

I mean, what?

Remember the time he walked up and down the Broncos sideline telling teammates to yell “run!” or “pass!” depending on the other team’s play call?

That video was really tough to watch.

Have you seen those creepy Subway ads of his that went viral?

I’ll never know how he watched those back and thought it was a good idea to release them to the public.

Oh, and the worst thing might be how he ends most of his press conferences with the phrase “Broncos Country, let’s ride.”

Does he really think any Broncos fans are going to be fired up for that? Does he think that is cool? Does he think that’s neat?

Wilson took things to an even more cringey level this week when he told the media about how he spent a lot of the flight to London for this week’s game doing high knees up and down the aisles while his teammates slept.

Read that over again – he did high knees up and down the aisle while HIS TEAMMATES SLEPT.

And then he told the media about it! I mean, keep that stuff to yourself, Russ!

And therein lies the problem – does Russell Wilson not have anyone in his life who can say “hold on a second, don’t do that!”? We all need to have that one friend who can tell us we’re being too corny or too dumb or way too silly and to knock that stuff off. Russ needs that person and he needs them quickly!

Former teammate Richard Sherman and others have been quick to rip Wilson this season for a number to things and it’s starting to be easy to see why many in Seattle (like RiverDog!) grew tired of Wilson.

Russ is a good guy. He does a lot of good things for charity and none of the annoying things he does are done with bad intentions. He’s not a bad person, far from it.

Russ just needs someone by his side to tell him to knock this cringey stuff. ASAP!

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2022/10/brocnos-russell-wilson-king-of-cringe

Ive been trying to figure out Russels behavior for years, corny etc comes to mind. But its beyond that now I think. As a heavily medicated bipolar man, very functional and intelligent but there are downsides for sure. Public interaction and interpersonal relationships can be strained.
I think Russ has a personality disorder that is revealed by a constant need for attention. Like selfie guy on FB. Look at me. From the finger to all the not so nice junk he kept saying about Seattle in a shaded way right up to kickoff its about Russell craving news, attention. In hindsight hes always been that way, bragging about his almost comebacks in divisional losses, his workout regimen. The finger was a new level. It wasn't about helping the team. practicing with Geno 3 years he knew better with no grip hand. Wasn't a hero complex. It was Russ craving attention and getting it in the wrong way. Narcissist? I dont know. If its truly a mental illness my heart goes out to the guy. He would benefit from medication possibly. If its just how he likes to be Im not a fan.

[Aseahawkfan]

That's true, but Russell goes in front of the cameras WAY too often, seems to enjoy the attention as the others you mentioned have a more normal reaction to continuous press scrutiny and would prefer that they just go away. As KJ says, Russell doesn't have to go into such exquisite detail as to his activities on an overseas flight. First of all, IMO it sounds too outrageous and corny, so much so that I think he's exaggerating. Secondly, even if it's true, it makes him look and sound silly and invites these hideous memes and jokes. Can you imagine a passenger in such a confined space as an aircraft cabin doing knee highs for 2/3's of a 6 hour long flight?

Russell is not playing well, and anything he says that goes beyond the standard, canned response is going to be ridiculed. He needs to just back away and quit trying to look like some sort of superhero.

What are you talking about? You do understand that Russell is expected to do two press conferences a week. One during the week and one post game. Then if he doesn't do an interview such as with Kyle Brandt, he gets accused of being stuck up. Now he's doing an interview and gets asked if his hamstring is ok, he states it's ok and explains what he's doing and he gets made fun of. The guy is trying to show his fans that he's working hard and trying to get back, but now he's showing up his teammates. The guy can't win. He does a Subway commercial like a bunch of other players have done, he gets ridiculed.

Right now Russell couldn't win not doing interviews or doing interviews. He does an interview and he's phony and talking too much. He doesn't do an interview and he's stuck up and full of himself. If every teammate of his doesn't have his personal phone number, he's not a team leader. If he works hard to set an example of hard work trying to get back to help his team win, he has a hero complex.

Russ can't win right now. Fact is a certain segment of the NFL fan base and media has it in for him. Anything he does is criticized. You're even making some crap up that he seeks the camera too much, when he's done a handful of interviews that are mostly required and some additional ones here and there that are no different than most QBs do.

Now you're making crap up about him seeking the camera absent any evidence he is doing so. I have not seen an excessive number of Russell interviews. He's mostly in the news because other people are making fun of him for anything he does. It all gets turned into some kind of negative.

People are just piling on not because what you say is true, but you're bored and want something to talk about. You couldn't even tell me if he does more comparative media than any other NFL QB. It's not a tracked stat. Only reason he is in the news so much is because it gets clicks and views to talk negative smack about Russell right now. That's what's really going on.

When he was doing well, Russ was the hardest working guy in the room. Now he's doing poorly and he's some stuck up phony showing up his teammates. It's damn ridiculous is what it is and clear example of bias based on performance and pettiness purely to garner media attention and clicks.

[RiverDog]

I think Russ has a personality disorder that is revealed by a constant need for attention. Like selfie guy on FB. Look at me. From the finger to all the not so nice junk he kept saying about Seattle in a shaded way right up to kickoff its about Russell craving news, attention. In hindsight hes always been that way, bragging about his almost comebacks in divisional losses, his workout regimen. The finger was a new level. It wasn't about helping the team. practicing with Geno 3 years he knew better with no grip hand. Wasn't a hero complex. It was Russ craving attention and getting it in the wrong way. Narcissist? I dont know. If its truly a mental illness my heart goes out to the guy. He would benefit from medication possibly. If its just how he likes to be Im not a fan.

I'm not going nearly that far and suggest that Russell suffers from some sort of mental illness. IMO it's much more likely what the author of that last article suggested: That Russell doesn't have that close friend and confidant to keep him on the rails, to tell him when he's going too far, when he looks and sounds silly. We all do or say things that we regret later and might not have done if we had a friend or mentor poke us in the ribs. I'm no expert, but that doesn't seem to me to be abnormal behavior, just weird or cringy.

One of Russell's closest friends, a personal trainer named Trevor Moawad, passed away about a year ago. Did that leave a void? He's in a new environment with his new team, and we can assume that he didn't start out with a lot of friends in the locker room. The new head coach has been talking about Russell as a co-head coach. Has that made Russell a bit unapproachable, knowing how close he is to the boss? Sherm and Beast indicated that he's making them go through his manager just to talk on the phone with him. Has he isolated himself?