Spohawk5092 wrote:they need to take their time and get it right. No hurry.
Spohawk5092 wrote:they need to take their time and get it right. No hurry.
NorthHawk wrote:The new coach has to be in place soon so the scouts can identify who fits the vision of the new HC and the identity he wants to create. Drafting pure talent is great but if he isn’t good a what the team wants to do then you won’t get the most out of him.
It’s going to be an interesting month or so, but I won’t see most of it as I leave for Asia for a month on Friday.
NorthHawk wrote:We start with 3 days in Tokyo, then fly to Bali, after that we catch a cruise and visit more Indonesia and Malaysia, then to Some places in Thailand before flying to Hong Kong for a week. We are scheduled to get back on Feb 16th. So it’s 4 weeks and I suspect I’ll miss most of the excitement and discussion on the new HC.
Aseahawkfan wrote:There are eight teams looking for head coaches? Bad time to drop your coach with that level of competition in the coaching market.
RiverDog wrote:Right now, there's 7: Falcons, Panthers, Raiders, Chargers, Hawks, Titans, and Commanders. The Patriots hired Jerod Mayo to replace Belichick.
The storm that Mike Tomlin created when he walked out of the presser after a reporter asked him a question about his future seems to have calmed. Sources close to the Steelers expect him back in 2024. But that still leaves the Eagles and Cowboys with head coaches on the hot seat.
RiverDog wrote:Right now, there's 7: Falcons, Panthers, Raiders, Chargers, Hawks, Titans, and Commanders. The Patriots hired Jerod Mayo to replace Belichick.
The storm that Mike Tomlin created when he walked out of the presser after a reporter asked him a question about his future seems to have calmed. Sources close to the Steelers expect him back in 2024. But that still leaves the Eagles and Cowboys with head coaches on the hot seat.
Aseahawkfan wrote:Too damn many teams looking for coaches this year.
NorthHawk wrote:We start with 3 days in Tokyo, then fly to Bali, after that we catch a cruise and visit more Indonesia and Malaysia, then to Some places in Thailand before flying to Hong Kong for a week. We are scheduled to get back on Feb 16th. So it’s 4 weeks and I suspect I’ll miss most of the excitement and discussion on the new HC.
c_hawkbob wrote:I think we're interviewing basically everyone because we will likely be filling both coordinator position to suit the new HC and John wants a familiarity with them all.
Agent 86 wrote:Good point. I would surely hope neither Waldron or Hurtt will be retained by the new coach, I think everyone on here is ready to move on from both of them. I am disappointed in Waldron, coming from McVay's system I was hoping for something more dynamic for offense. Maybe he didn't feel he had the same talent as what he had in LA though.
One of DK's faults coming out of college was his route running. To my eye test, I think it still is a problem, he is not very polished at jukes, head fakes, digging into ground to make a cut, etc..... I was hoping for more progress on that front instead of just being straight up physical. Seems like there are too many games where he doesn't get targeted enough, thinking maybe it's because he is not open enough or creating enough separation?
NorthHawk wrote:I'm pretty sure Waldron was restricted by Carroll's Offense and philosophy. Didn't you notice how similar our Offense was from Bevell's and Schottenheimers when here?
Waldron is a McVay disciple yet we only saw flashes of those concepts and still rarely threw into the middle of the field. One of the last games the commentators noted that we threw down the middle the 3rd least of all teams.
It's not coincidence that with 2 different OC's Wilson never threw down the middle and now neither did Geno.
Oly wrote:I spent two months in northern Thailand and 6 weeks in Ubud, Bali last year. We were slow traveling with kids and focusing on educational activities and connecting with locals, so my recommendations might not be your speed. I have also spent a couple of weeks in HK over the years for tattoo appointments. Shoot me a DM if you have questions you think I can help with.
NorthHawk wrote:We've had 3 different OCs under Pete and none threw across the middle very much even in the 2 years with Geno, so that suggests it's the game plan or directive. We signed Waldron and OL Coach Dickerson from the Rams 2 years ago. Did our Offense look to you like the Shanahan/McVay Offenses? Did we use a lot of pre snap motion, crossing routes, scheming to get receivers open? No we didn't. Since we didn't do that, and Waldron uses the same template for plays, why wouldn't we?
In Schottenheimer's last year, we started out 5-0 and our Offense was running a much different play set than before. We then hit a bad spot with a couple of turnovers. Pete then came out and said this isn't a brand of football I understand. You could think he meant turnovers, and maybe that was part of it, but the Offense was immediately pared back to its old predictable way (That change looks like it was also the turning point of Russ wanting out).
These first Waldron year, we had Geno start the year throwing across the middle and using a similar play selection as McVay with pre snap motion multiple formations. That slowed down at the end of that first year and last year we started with a much more traditional Pete Carroll Offense.
I've said this before and to me it's telling: Greg Olson said he was surprised that in meetings when they were discussing the game plan for the next opponent there would be suggestions by Russ or others for plays but those were shut down by the coaches saying that's not what we do here. That has to come from the HC.
So I think there was a good probability that it was a directive by Pete to limit throws down the middle of the field.
But either way, Waldron had to go as part of the housecleaning.
NorthHawk wrote:Pete did have final say over players and acquisitions so it’s not unreasonable to think he would select players over objections or competing points of view.
Aseahawkfan wrote:It is my understanding that part of Pete's contract during the hiring process was final say on personnel choices with only Paul Allen overriding Pete. If John and Pete had a disagreement, only Paul Allen could override Carroll based on Schneider's arguments. John did not have final say on personnel over Pete and Pete had the dominant position in the football decision making process below only Paul Allen. That is what Pete said was in his contract when he was hired and John has always backed this up including the most recent press conference where he said Pete's power in the organization was "contractual."
govandals wrote:I would be extremely disappointed if Quinn gets the job. Unless he hits a homerun with his OC choice, we'll be in the 8-9 win purgatory like we are now. Quinn without Shanahan as his OC is a below .500 coach.
Oly wrote:I think there was an SI article speculating that Quinn is trying to sell a package of him + Chip Kelly as OC. I'm not sold. Kelly was certainly innovative, but when the NFL figured him out in Philly he fizzled. Maybe, like Pete, the stint in the Pac-12 brought some clarity/new schemes/whatever and that he'd be better in his second stint running an NFL offense. But that seems like a gamble. I'd rather see a Johnson/Slowik appointment than Kelly running the offense.
Oly wrote:
I think there was an SI article speculating that Quinn is trying to sell a package of him + Chip Kelly as OC. I'm not sold.
Oly wrote:I think there was an SI article speculating that Quinn is trying to sell a package of him + Chip Kelly as OC. I'm not sold. Kelly was certainly innovative, but when the NFL figured him out in Philly he fizzled. Maybe, like Pete, the stint in the Pac-12 brought some clarity/new schemes/whatever and that he'd be better in his second stint running an NFL offense. But that seems like a gamble. I'd rather see a Johnson/Slowik appointment than Kelly running the offense.
Spohawk5092 wrote:still thinking Quinn is the one they pick.
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