Charlie Kirk Assassination

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Re: Charlie Kirk Assassination

Postby River Dog » Wed Sep 24, 2025 6:56 am

Aseahawkfan wrote:Like, you, I don't like the way Trump uses anti-immigrant rhetoric. It's crass and appeals to the LCD.

The bigger problem I have is his followers don't care. They seem to ignore all the problems his policies are causing and buy everything he's selling. They seem to think everything he says is the gospel truth even when it is provably wrong. Random tariffs based on trade deficits are stupid, yet not to hear MAGA talk about them. The H1B visa program is the high end of immigration, but his followers are buying the job crap when they don't even realize like you are seeing that taking away great doctors, engineers, and scientists from other nations, the exact type of immigrants Trump wants is going to hurt them.

I hear all these old MAGA followers supporting Trump. Then I ask them who takes care of them at hospitals and they say more often than not immigrant nurses, doctors, and other hospital workers. I ask them who is going to take care of you if all these people are gone? They think young Americans are going to step into these jobs when young Americans don't want those jobs because Americans have rasied their kids to be so fricking lazy. They don't want to take care of some old person pissing themselves and needing all kinds of medical care. They want to play video games, work at some computer company, and hope the old people somehow get taken care of by someone...guess whose been doing it.

The MAGA followers have no clue how their country runs. No clue how much they benefit from science and medical advancement. They keep acting like Trump is the smartest man in the room. It's ridiculous. Trump don't care about them. Trump only cares about people with money. He wants more rich people here as they are the only ones that can afford his hotels. That's why he has his 5 million visa and even the 100k H1B will be usable mainly by rich people.

That's why I view Trump as less of a racist and more of a guy who doesn't want more poor people in the country. He doesn't care about the poor at all. He barely cares about the working class. All his tax cuts mainly benefitted the wealthy. Look he hobnobs with: rich CEOs, rich Arab people from oil countries, and anyone that has a lot of money. Trump would love nothing more than to fill this country with rich people that can afford his hotels and golf courses.


I do think he's a racist in that he hates Hispanics and Asians. I can think of no other reason why he'd marry an immigrant from eastern Europe yet go on such a rampage against immigrants from Mexico, the vast majority of which are law abiding and hard working.

The other thing that his followers overlook is that he has no moral or fiscal compass. He just got through flip flopping on Ukraine, now saying that they should fight Russia and that Ukraine's borders should remain intact. He was an advocate of vaccines when the pandemic first broke out, even wanted them to name the Covid vaccine after him. Now he's appointed an anti vaxer to the top health position in the country. Devout Christians overlook his many personal flaws, don't care if he was pals with Jeffery Epstein and wouldn't care even if it was proven he was screwing 12 or 14-year-olds. They also don't care about the bold faced lies he tells. The same people that wanted to impeach Clinton because he was a lying SOS don't care one little bit when Trump says something that is obviously false.

I can understand why some people support Trump. My BIL, for example, is a very rational person who doesn't like Trump any more than I do. But he hates the Democrats. If you look at the way the Dems have managed the blue states and the big cities, it's no wonder why someone like Trump is able to get elected. The Dems have absolutely no viable alternative to Trump and his band of loonies.

It's a bad situation.
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Re: Charlie Kirk Assassination

Postby Aseahawkfan » Wed Sep 24, 2025 11:35 am

River Dog wrote:I do think he's a racist in that he hates Hispanics and Asians. I can think of no other reason why he'd marry an immigrant from eastern Europe yet go on such a rampage against immigrants from Mexico, the vast majority of which are law abiding and hard working.

The other thing that his followers overlook is that he has no moral or fiscal compass. He just got through flip flopping on Ukraine, now saying that they should fight Russia and that Ukraine's borders should remain intact. He was an advocate of vaccines when the pandemic first broke out, even wanted them to name the Covid vaccine after him. Now he's appointed an anti vaxer to the top health position in the country. Devout Christians overlook his many personal flaws, don't care if he was pals with Jeffery Epstein and wouldn't care even if it was proven he was screwing 12 or 14-year-olds. They also don't care about the bold faced lies he tells. The same people that wanted to impeach Clinton because he was a lying SOS don't care one little bit when Trump says something that is obviously false.

I can understand why some people support Trump. My BIL, for example, is a very rational person who doesn't like Trump any more than I do. But he hates the Democrats. If you look at the way the Dems have managed the blue states and the big cities, it's no wonder why someone like Trump is able to get elected. The Dems have absolutely no viable alternative to Trump and his band of loonies.

It's a bad situation.


No, it isn't a bad situation. You and most of America just don't follow the money. You seriously don't realize how many billions in investment Trump has coming into America to build from all over. You probably don't even know the people he is working with from other nations. Just like most of America including the MAGA followers haven't a clue.

I don't think Trump is going on a rampage against immigrants for any other reason than the ones you stated: to appease whoever gives him votes. He is a flip flopper because he's a salesman. Whoever he is selling to, that's what he's supporting at that given point in time in their minds. From what I understand Trump takes the vaccines and used Regeneron's medical tech including that immune boosting mix they make, but he wants to play up to the looney voters that follow someone like RFK. Just like in private I'm betting he's getting along great with Jensen Huang or Sundar Pichai or the Muslim oil sheiks. But when he is talking in public to the lowest common denominator of MAGA followers that believe their jobs are being taken, he's selling them that he's taking care of it all.

I don't think Trump cares enough to be racist. I think he gets along absolutely fine with immigrants with money. I think he's courting them to come to America. I think a lot oil money leaders like him, rich Chinese and Asian get along with him like the leader of Softbank Masayoshi Son, and other very wealthy people from all over the world.

Therein lies the issue I have with his followers that are being pulled along by the nose. And America in general. Trump is hobnobbing with wealthy people from all over the world. He has billions of investment from all over coming into the nation to build. Yet listening to Fox News and CNBC/CNN, they just post crap about him screaming anti-immigrant rhetoric and talking about ICE raids when he's hanging out with a ton of rich people of other ethnicities getting them to invest in America and there has been no more deportations than previous administrations.

What you get in the mainstream news about Trump and what you see in the business news about Trump is night and day. I bet most of America doesn't even know who Sundar Pichai is (the CEO of Google) or Masayoshi Son (the son of the owner of Softbank and a billionaire). That's the type of people Trump is hobnobbing with in the business news including Jensen Huang (CEO of Nvidia), Satya Nadella (CEO Of Microsoft), Bill Gates, and other billionaires though the "Bromance" between Trump and Musk seems over.

Like I said Trump doesn't like poor people. Doesn't even like poor Americans very much, but he needs votes so figures he manipulates them as he needs so sells them hard in public. Trump's not the type to hang out at bars with blue collar working class people pretending he likes them. They're just there for him to move as he wishes and use as his tools. That's it.

That's what I find so annoying. The conservative news sells Trump the Strong Leader rubbish. The Left wing news sells Trump the racist and tyrant rubbish. The business shows Trump the CEO making deals for billions. Shows his sons selling crypto around the world to the crypto bros. They made 1.4 billion on some meme coin. Shows the oil leader Muslims giving trump a 40 billion dollar jet or something crazy. Shows Masayoshi Son investing billions in America for AI chips and being friends with Trump.

America is getting fleeced by this guy and his family. Yet as long as Trump yells about immigrants, yells about America first, gets in fights with tv hosts and keeps the country distracted that he's standing up to the liberals, they just ignore the business news where he's making billions with his family working with rich immigrants or foreigners and making money off crypto and other policies he and his cronies are pushing through. Now if he can just get interest rates lowered, let the fleecing really begin.

Did you see the video of him being interviewed about Charlie Kirk that Jimmy Kimmel referenced where Trump stated he was just fine and started talking about the White House ballroom? That's Trump's emotional depth as far as his thoughts on Kirk, immigrants, and the like. All he gives a crap about is money and himself and his family's interests.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2BF-ufsoe0

I really wonder if America is ever going to wake up from "Trump-mania" and go, "Why did we do it?" Trump's family is going to probably be a good deal richer and smiling, then America will finally figure out once he's out of office, "Wait. Nothing's changed. Trump and his family made a bunch more money. Why'd we support him?"

The answer will be the same as it ever was: because you Americans don't know what is going on in your own country because you watch the mainstream news and don't follow the money. If you had followed the money and genuinely wanted something better for the working people of your nation, you would not have let Trump fleece America.

Broken social security system pushing on bankruptcy, Broken national debt. Shitty medical system with extreme rising costs. No fixes coming until they're forced.

Trump and his cronies making tons of money. Dems worried about climate change and transgender ideology. Republicans worshipping Trump thinking he's fixed all their issues even though working class MAGA got nothing to show for their support.

Once this drunken euphoria wears off, it's going to be a hell of a hangover.
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