Malik McDowell Waived - Wasted 2nd Rnd Pick

[idhawkman]

What a waste to have this guy never play for us. Seahawks waived him today to make room for an undrafted TE on the roster.

[idhawkman]

Lockett, Brown, KJ and Clark all in their final contract year are in camp. Earl only one missing that is in the final contract year.

[HumanCockroach]

LMFAO niche players, a garbage lineman and an aging OLB... you grasping.

[c_hawkbob]

Oh come on, Lockett is our best receiver, Brown's a Pro Bowler and former all Pro, KJ just turned 29 a few days ago and is our 2nd best LB and Frank Clark is our best remaining edge rusher ... who's reaching? I have no idea what point you're trying to make.

Not saying we're doomed if we don't renegotiate all their contracts or anything, but those are some key players, not "niche players".

[HumanCockroach]

Clark rushes the passer, and is suited to a role player position, he isn't effective against the run, and never has been. Lockett is indeed our"second best receiver" but you conveniently left out the last word ( that word is left) last season was he? No, hell they traded one more productive before the first snap, let two more go via free agency... yes Wrght is 29... how many years left do you think he has? Gone are the days he played man to man with guys like Gronk and won.

You can trumpet Brown till you're blue in the face, the man made the pro bowl despite being as effective in pass blocking as a wet paper towel, played 8 games ( poorly) and costs Seattle both picks, and an enormous sum of cap space fir doing so.... you can profess his "merits" all you want, but ultimately he went to a pro Bowl as what? The 5th? 6th alternative, based on name recognition, and nothing else.

You and I BOTH know full well IDs bias regarding ET, and the "point" I was making is that NONE of those players are IN a POSITION to hold out for a new contract, not because of some BS they are "being honorable" garbage, but because they have ZERO actual leverage.

[idhawkman]

So KJ is questionable at 29 but Earl is a sure fire bet at 30. Got it...

[HumanCockroach]

KJ play free safety and I missed it somehow? Career trajectories on LBs and FS's aren't the same. Not to mention, Seattle just drafted a replacement for KJ.

KJ is a solid, steady LB, I absolutely appreciate what he is. He ISN'T however a game changing, LB. Nor has he ever been. He's a "glue guy" necessary, and valuable, but also showing down ( or would you like to convince me that last season was arguably his best year in the league?).

He likely can play for 2 to 4 more seasons, same as Earl, however, Thomas hasn't shown any signs of slowing, KJ no matter how hard you attempt to make it seem... has...

They aren't robots, some players ( ESPECIALLY PLAYERS WITH THE AMOUNT OF CONTACT A LB FACES) burn out quicker( shocked even need to discuss this)... LBs are the RBS of the defense, their career trajectories are almost identical, the amount of hits, contact, like ups, concussions etc.... FS equates to a QBs career length. Barring a loss of speed * equitable to a QB losing arm strength* they can play much longer...

I wonder, if there was a 29 yr old running back in his final year, If you would argue he wasn't aging? How about a 29 year old QB? Yeah, that's what I thought.

[idhawkman]

KJ play free safety and I missed it somehow? Career trajectories on LBs and FS's aren't the same. Not to mention, Seattle just drafted a replacement for KJ.

KJ is a solid, steady LB, I absolutely appreciate what he is. He ISN'T however a game changing, LB. Nor has he ever been. He's a "glue guy" necessary, and valuable, but also showing down ( or would you like to convince me that last season was arguably his best year in the league?).

He likely can play for 2 to 4 more seasons, same as Earl, however, Thomas hasn't shown any signs of slowing, KJ no matter how hard you attempt to make it seem... has...

They aren't robots, some players ( ESPECIALLY PLAYERS WITH THE AMOUNT OF CONTACT A LB FACES) burn out quicker( shocked even need to discuss this)... LBs are the RBS of the defense, their career trajectories are almost identical, the amount of hits, contact, like ups, concussions etc.... FS equates to a QBs career length. Barring a loss of speed * equitable to a QB losing arm strength* they can play much longer...

I wonder, if there was a 29 yr old running back in his final year, If you would argue he wasn't aging? How about a 29 year old QB? Yeah, that's what I thought.

Not many players 29 or older that I want to sign to a long term contract. Don't know why I have to point that out yet again.

To be fair though, Earl has missed much more time than KJ even though as you say, KJ has more hits. I've argued in the past and yet here again, that the way Earl plays, he is just as open to injury as any of our LBs save for Bwags. You on the other hand think that our safeties somehow play like the rest of the league's safeties and have some magical longevity because of it.

[HumanCockroach]

If you're trying to convince me that Earl takes as many hits as KJ, or even Chancellor did, save your time. I say that not because of some "magic" but because it is what has happened. It isn't rocket science, you watch the games, you understand the positions, you pay attention, you acknowledge the patterns.

I've pointed out Ed Reed, as an example, and it's appropriate. What you want to insist or believe about KJs career length prospects compared to Thomas, isn't my concern. LB careers are shorter, just part of the game, I acknowledge it, you don't have to....

Age isn't the only factor in how long a player is productive or worth it. Obviously you're incapable of seeing what your eyes are telling you, unfortunate, but your position, and you're welcome to it. I don't operate like that, I care about wins, and wins only.

It's fun though to think about all the greats or HOF players that wouldn't have been going into the Hall as Seahawks ( or any other teams(if management opporated in that fashion... no Largent, Tez or Jones... no niner Rice, no Niner Young, Dolphin Marino, no Bears Singletary or Payton, etc... the list is literally endless...

[obiken]

What a waste to have this guy never play for us. Seahawks waived him today to make room for an undrafted TE on the roster.

Another PC bust Human, no real surprise here.

[RiverDog]

Another PC bust Human, no real surprise here.

A couple of points: First off, Pete hasn't had very many "busts", or at least no more than any other NFL coach and probably a lot less, so it's a little disengenous to say that McDowell is "another" PC bust.

Secondly, we really need to seperate out injury "busts" from those where the team made a clear misjudgment of talent. One of my favorite examples is Steve Entman. IMO he had all the tools to have been a 1990's version of JJ Watt, but suffered two successive major knee injuries in his first two years, one on each knee. Unless you expect teams to have a crystal ball and can expect a player that's never had injury issues before will suffer two major knee injuries, you cannot fault Indy for selecting him.

That's quite different from a player like Ryan Leaf or, in our case, Aaron Curry, where a very high pick was used on a player that never came close to performing up to expectations.

McDowell has to fall in the injury bust category.

[c_hawkbob]

Totally agree here Riv. "Bust" implies a poor pick, which is not accurate with an injury being the factor precipitating the players release.

[RiverDog]

Totally agree here Riv. "Bust" implies a poor pick, which is not accurate with and injury being the factor precipitating the players release.

To be fair to obi, the term "bust" has a lot of different definitions, and some people do lump injuries in with under performing. But I do think that most of us don't include injuries.

[HumanCockroach]

Not a good pick... but that's not unique to PC, Seattle or anyone in the NFL... I tend to think of "busts" as players that suck that were drafted. McDowell in my mind doesn't really fit into that category, as he never played a snap.

If a number one overall draft pick gets in a car accident and can no longer play, I wouldn't consider him a bust... that's rated for guys like Leaf and co. At least in my mind.

[RiverDog]

Not a good pick... but that's not unique to PC, Seattle or anyone in the NFL... I tend to think of "busts" as players that suck that were drafted. McDowell in my mind doesn't really fit into that category, as he never played a snap.

If a number one overall draft pick gets in a car accident and can no longer play, I wouldn't consider him a bust... that's rated for guys like Leaf and co. At least in my mind.

It depends on where they were drafted. If Aaron Curry was drafted in the 7th round, I doubt that many would have called him a bust. But because we used the #4 overall to select him, he was a huge disapointment. And it's not just the team that drafted him that should be to blame. Curry was regarded as a "safe" pick, some even thought that he might go #1 overall. The vast majority of GM's would have taken Curry where we did if they were in similar circumstances.

[HumanCockroach]

Only draft pick I "celebrated" the selection in my life .... and it will BE the only draft pick I ever celebrate in my life... live and learn.... ( celebration consisted of a high five and a single shot, but still way to much).

Ultimately, why I always side with proven productive players over an extra pick or two... odds seem to be typically much higher that the player selected, will never provide the production of the player cast away, and in certain players, near impossible that they will.

Sometimes it's a necessary evil, but often, it's almost wiser to let them play out their contract and walk... ie trading Thomas for a third round pick is insane, when him walking nets a third round pick... and said 3rd round pick can't help this year anyway, and has about a .001% chance of being as valuable, productive or good as Thomas is currently. It's a pretty poor gamble.

There's always those clamoring for picks over players, expecting every draft to be like 2012, yet, a typical draft nets a team typically a few players that are useful for 3 to 5 years, and several not on the team by year 3 ( or sooner) and likely not in the NFL... that's the rule, not the other way around.