Win loss prediction poll

[politicalfootball]

I have a really good feeling about the upcoming season. In my opinion the season depends on how well Penny does and his OL . I have high hopes for Penny.

Prediction 10 -6

[ptthor109]

The away schedule is favorable. Worst case 5-3. And the tougher games are at home - Packers, Vikes Cowboys & Rams. With 12th man, no worse than 5-3 there too. 10-6 it is.

[c_hawkbob]

Ten wins sounds about right, plus or minus three...

[obiken]

7-9 only because he didnt have 6-8 as an option.

[RiverDog]

7-9 only because he didnt have 6-8 as an option.

Why would he have 6-8 as an option in a 16 game season?

[curmudgeon]

Two 8-8?? Not enough options here.....lol.

[Rambo2014]

How come there is no 4-12 on there?

Not a scientific poll at all.

NFC West:

Rams 16-0
Niners 11-5
Arz 8-8
Sea 4-12

[RiverDog]

Ten wins sounds about right, plus or minus three...

Plus or minus 3? So you think that 13-3 is just as likely as 7-9?

[c_hawkbob]

Ten wins sounds about right, plus or minus three...

Plus or minus 3? So you think that 13-3 is just as likely as 7-9?

I really can''t see us falling below .500 so yeah, either would be a great surprise.

[NorthHawk]

I selected 9-7, but we may be able to squeeze out 1 more win if we stay relatively healthy at key positions.

[RiverDog]

I really can''t see us falling below .500 so yeah, either would be a great surprise.

Not meaning to be a jerk, it's just that 13 wins would tie an all time high for our franchise, something that we've achieved just twice in the past 42 years. IMO this team is a lot closer to the two 7-9 seasons Pete produced in his first two years than it is the Lombardi season.

Again, not trying to be argumentative, just trying to follow your logic.

[idhawkman]

I'm still the ultimate homer and never "expects" to lose until we actually do. We beat the SB champs last year. So since we have 19 games ahead of us - that count - my prediction is once again 19-0.

[c_hawkbob]

Not meaning to be a jerk, it's just that 13 wins would tie an all time high for our franchise, something that we've achieved just twice in the past 42 years. IMO this team is a lot closer to the two 7-9 seasons Pete produced in his first two years than it is the Lombardi season.

Again, not trying to be argumentative, just trying to follow your logic.

My logic is that with Russ as QB and Bobby as our leader on D I just don't see us falling below .500.

We only missed 10-6 and another berth in the playoffs last year by a last second FG miss. Everybody is acting like that miss sent us over a cliff ... I still see us as a playoff contender.

[idhawkman]

My logic is that with Russ as QB and Bobby as our leader on D I just don't see us falling below .500.

We only missed 10-6 and another berth in the playoffs last year by a last second FG miss. Everybody is acting like that miss sent us over a cliff ... I still see us as a playoff contender.

I think we could have won 3 of those that we lost last year and been 12-4. Unfortunately, we would have been one and done though due to injuries. That was shown in the Rams second game at home in CLink.

[RiverDog]

I think we could have won 3 of those that we lost last year and been 12-4. Unfortunately, we would have been one and done though due to injuries. That was shown in the Rams second game at home in CLink.

If 'if's' and 'but's" were candy and nuts, what a Merry Christmas we'd have. We also won two very close games, vs. the Rams (by 6 which included a dropped TD pass in the final minute) and the Texans (by 3, in the final minute).

Do you realize how many teams can make an argument similar to the one you just made? For example, the Bengals finished 7-9 and lost 4 games, one in OT, by a total of 11 points. Put those 4 games in the W column and you have an entirely different looking team.

Fact is that we lost 3 of our last 4, with two of those coming at home, including the drubbing by the Rams that you mentioned. The team was definitely on the decline, which IMO was one of the things that influenced Pete's thinking.

As someone once said, you are what your record says you are.

[idhawkman]

If 'if's' and 'but's" were candy and nuts, what a Merry Christmas we'd have. We also won two very close games, vs. the Rams (by 6 which included a dropped TD pass in the final minute) and the Texans (by 3, in the final minute).

Do you realize how many teams can make an argument similar to the one you just made? For example, the Bengals finished 7-9 and lost 4 games, one in OT, by a total of 11 points. Put those 4 games in the W column and you have an entirely different looking team.

Fact is that we lost 3 of our last 4, with two of those coming at home, including the drubbing by the Rams that you mentioned. The team was definitely on the decline, which IMO was one of the things that influenced Pete's thinking.

As someone once said, you are what your record says you are.

No argument there. I think Injuries play a bigger role in the NFL than almost anything else. My point about the 3 should have won's was that we are not that far from contending. We lost 3 major players though and its unclear how much that will impact us. (Sherman, Richards, Bennett and maybe Earl if he holds out all year). I think our biggest drop off from the SB years has been on the DLine (oline is bad but they were never that great so not as much of a dropoff). I'm concerned about our Dline.

[HumanCockroach]

We only missed 10-6 and another berth in the playoffs last year by a last second FG miss. Everybody is acting like that miss sent us over a cliff

Huh? You talking about the spotting 17 point offensive ineptitude Atlanta game?( and by the way, how in the funk did Seattle actually find a career WORSE replacement for Walsh? How is that bleeding possible. They've gone from an erratic, young kicker, to an old, erratic fat kicker, that missed the entirety of last season)Or something else?... crazy to me that people still don't seem to see that the record without those guys was what?1 and 3? 2 and 4? And not only have those guys that were injured been jettisoned ( without replacements) but several others as well.... that team that went 1 and 3, also removed 3/4 of their receiving touchdown producers, their best defensive lineman, and more than likely their best defensive player ( probably their best player period) . They've "replaced" them, but unrealistic to expect anyone replacing to perform at the level they were playing at, but there's expectation of improvement?

I'm good with what is more than likely that 6-10 to 8-8 season that's coming, it's part of the deal, but thinking this is a 10+ win team ( instead of hoping some magic or luck, or magic and luck happens) seems a serious stretch.

[c_hawkbob]

No genius, I'm talking about the last play of the season. that kick goes through and we're 10-6 and in the playoffs. Period. No matter what you think about everything else that happened during the season.

As far as going forward, I think most of the moves made over the offseason are positive. I think 10 wins is about right.

[HumanCockroach]

I'm fairly confident that finishing 10-6 is irrelevant to whether Seattle made the playoffs last season Bob.... you see genius, they lost to Atlanta, and Atlanta ALSO finished 10-6, meaning the last game was irrelevant, as Atlanta had already won....

I'm not sure why you took such great offense to that post, but if you gonna throw a snide dig, at least know what you're talking about when you do it. I didn't insult you, nor call you thick ( or imply it) so at the very least, you could be ACCURATE in regards to them making the playoffs, which is EXACTLY why I brought up the Atlanta game ( lost with chance at a unrealistically long FG, against the team that because of it had the tie breaker, and was more a product of the offenses ineptitude in the first quarter than the FG that could have pushed it into OT) .

Thanks a bunch

Seattle’s best chance to make the postseason is to win out (and they have no choice but to do so), and the Falcons must lose to both the New Orleans Saints and Carolina Panthers, plus the Detroit Lions need to lose (or tie) one of their two games against the Cincinnati Bengals or Green Bay Packers.

Ie since Atlanta didn't drop both, Seattle's chance to slide in to the playoffs had the kick gone through, or didn't stood at exactly the same percentage .. 0%

[mykc14]

I'm fairly confident that finishing 10-6 is irrelevant to whether Seattle made the playoffs last season Bob.... you see genius, they lost to Atlanta, and Atlanta ALSO finished 10-6, meaning the last game was irrelevant, as Atlanta had already won....

I'm not sure why you took such great offense to that post, but if you gonna throw a snide dig, at least know what you're talking about when you do it. I didn't insult you, nor call you thick ( or imply it)

Continually saying things like “I can’t see how anybody...” is insulting. It’s implying that people are stupid because they can’t see what you claim is so easy to see... I can’t see how anybody couldn’t understand how a statement like that is insulting.

[HumanCockroach]

Huh? You talking about the spotting 17 point offensive ineptitude Atlanta game?( and by the way, how in the funk did Seattle actually find a career WORSE replacement for Walsh? How is that bleeding possible. They've gone from an erratic, young kicker, to an old, erratic fat kicker, that missed the entirety of last season)Or something else?... crazy to me that people still don't seem to see that the record without those guys was what?1 and 3? 2 and 4? And not only have those guys that were injured been jettisoned ( without replacements) but several others as well.... that team that went 1 and 3, also removed 3/4 of their receiving touchdown producers, their best defensive lineman, and more than likely their best defensive player ( probably their best player period) . They've "replaced" them, but unrealistic to expect anyone replacing to perform at the level they were playing at, but there's expectation of improvement? 

I'm good with what is more than likely that 6-10 to 8-8 season that's coming, it's part of the deal, but thinking this is a 10+ win team ( instead of hoping some magic or luck, or magic and luck happens) seems a serious stretch

Um... I said that? Where?

[RiverDog]

Um... I said that? Where?

He said "like", meaning not necssarily a word-for-word quote. And he's right. You have a very abrasive style that rubs more than one poster the wrong way. My pet peeve is your habit of adding a completely unnecessary "smh" or "lmao" to your comments. It's unfortunate because you are tremendous football mind with excellent observations.

[mykc14]

... crazy to me that people still don't seem to see...

Um... I said that? Where?

Right here: “crazy to me that people still don’t seem to see...” this implies that people aren’t as smart as you because they can’t see this thing that you believe is obvious. This isn’t your worst example but it still works. You also say things like, “only a fool would say...”, “Why that’s so hard for people to grasp I have no idea”, “baffles me how people can..”if you can’t figure it out”, “ I can’t see how anybody”, “LMAO, SMH” You really don’t see how those are belittling? To be clear it doesn’t bother me very much I just see it as your style, but you we’re confused by why Bob was ‘offended’ by your post (I don’t see why you [Bob] took such great offense to that post) so I thought I would enlighten. Personally, I think your style makes it more difficult for people to read through your stuff and respond to the actual point you are making as they have to sift through three or four belittling comments or sarcastic remarks.

[RiverDog]

No genius, I'm talking about the last play of the season. that kick goes through and we're 10-6 and in the playoffs. Period. No matter what you think about everything else that happened during the season.

As far as going forward, I think most of the moves made over the offseason are positive. I think 10 wins is about right.

That's not correct. We wouldn't have been in the playoffs even if Walsh made that last kick vs. the Cards. In addition to our having to beat Arizona, we also needed Atlanta to either lose or tie. The Falcons finished 10-6 and would have won the tiebreaker by virtue of their win over us earlier in the season. We were out of it before our game with the Cards ended.

[c_hawkbob]

You're correct. I remember going into the weekend with a chance to make the playoff if we won, but didn't remember that we also needed the Falcons to lose. As it relates to my point however, that's a technicality, we were still one win away from being a 10 win team, and as I see us as having made some positive moves this offseason, I don't think we've regressed as far as most in here do.

And sorry Roach, I'm just fed up with this combat posting style. It's why I put Burr on ignore and why I did you as well. If I'd meant to say all that that you followed "Huh?" with in your response I'd have said so instead of what I did say. How about responding to what people actually say instead of what you infer from what they say?

[Aseahawkfan]

I'm with c-bob. As long as we have Russell and some kind of core, we have a chance in today's NFL. All we need is a few of the new guys to work out. I'm seeing some fire in some of these guys. If we can retain Earl or if we trade him for some quality, then we can do something.

[RiverDog]

As it relates to my point however, that's a technicality, we were still one win away from being a 10 win team, and as I see us as having made some positive moves this offseason, I don't think we've regressed as far as most in here do.

Hopefully you'll view this response as a little friendlier disagreement.

In addition to being one win away from a 10 win season, we were one loss away from an 8-8 season, so I see the close games as a bit of a wash, not a bit of a Walsh, as some might suggest. We were one dropped TD pass from losing to the Rams, and might not have been even that close if we hadn't benefited from a somewhat of a fluke play when Gurley allowed Earl to slap away the ball at the pylon (not taking anything away from Earl). Plus you have to keep in mind that we did a belly flop at the end of the season, losing 3 or our last 4, including that embarrassing azz kicking by the Rams.

I'm not sure what "positive" moves you're thinking of that might result in a net increase in our win probability. No more Sherman, no more Bennett, no more Chancellor, no more Avril, no more Jimmy Graham, Earl holding out. Those are all Pro Bowl quality players we're losing, and although I trust Pete to put together a respectable defense, I would have to think that it would take some time for all the new pieces to gel before we get back to being a legitimate SB contender again. Either that or we're banking on 3 or 4 of the newbies rising to the occasion. Additionally, both the Rams and the Niners have improved, so we're going to have a tough time matching our 4-2 divisional record.

If it's the coaching changes you're referring to, I agree that it's positive in that it was apparent that the previous staff just wasn't cutting it, but we're not exactly bringing in a Murderer's Row to replace them, at least not according to their resumes. It's going to have to be a wait-and-see if this group is any better than Bevell-Richard-Cable.

[RiverDog]

I'm with c-bob. As long as we have Russell and some kind of core, we have a chance in today's NFL. All we need is a few of the new guys to work out. I'm seeing some fire in some of these guys. If we can retain Earl or if we trade him for some quality, then we can do something.

I have a bad feeling about this Earl situation. I don't see it turning out well. But that's for another thread, just that it's not going to help our chances.

Russell, indeed, gives us a chance in every game as most every franchise type quarterback does for their team. But I just don't see him carrying the team week in and week out in the same way a Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, or Aaron Rodgers can/could. The one thing that could change my opinion is if we suddenly turn into a top 5 running team.

[NorthHawk]

It looks like our Offense might take a hit because Baldwin is expected to miss most if not all of TC and Pre-Season with a knee injury.
If it lingers into the year it will have a big negative impact on the pass/possession part of the game.

[politicalfootball]

I Am expecting a big turnaround from last year. Mainly due to Penny playing in the backfield. I Hope and pray we can become a top 5 running team. If we do that will take a lot of pressure off Wilson and keep us moving the chains and scoring more.

Go Seahawks

[RiverDog]

I Am expecting a big turnaround from last year. Mainly due to Penny playing in the backfield. I Hope and pray we can become a top 5 running team. If we do that will take a lot of pressure off Wilson and keep us moving the chains and scoring more.

Go Seahawks

If we become a Top 5 running team, I'd raise my prediction to 12-4. Russell plays his best football when we have a viable running threat.

But that's a huge 'if', and even if we do have a vast improvement in our running game, it's meaningless unless we can couple it with a top 10 defense. Teams will abandon the run if they go down a couple of TD's.

[c_hawkbob]

Hopefully you'll view this response as a little friendlier disagreement.

In addition to being one win away from a 10 win season, we were one loss away from an 8-8 season, so I see the close games as a bit of a wash, not a bit of a Walsh, as some might suggest. We were one dropped TD pass from losing to the Rams, and might not have been even that close if we hadn't benefited from a somewhat of a fluke play when Gurley allowed Earl to slap away the ball at the pylon (not taking anything away from Earl). Plus you have to keep in mind that we did a belly flop at the end of the season, losing 3 or our last 4, including that embarrassing azz kicking by the Rams.

I'm not sure what "positive" moves you're thinking of that might result in a net increase in our win probability. No more Sherman, no more Bennett, no more Chancellor, no more Avril, no more Jimmy Graham, Earl holding out. Those are all Pro Bowl quality players we're losing, and although I trust Pete to put together a respectable defense, I would have to think that it would take some time for all the new pieces to gel before we get back to being a legitimate SB contender again. Either that or we're banking on 3 or 4 of the newbies rising to the occasion. Additionally, both the Rams and the Niners have improved, so we're going to have a tough time matching our 4-2 divisional record.

If it's the coaching changes you're referring to, I agree that it's positive in that it was apparent that the previous staff just wasn't cutting it, but we're not exactly bringing in a Murderer's Row to replace them, at least not according to their resumes. It's going to have to be a wait-and-see if this group is any better than Bevell-Richard-Cable.

You can always play the "well if this or that happens" game to move a season record up or down, and normally it's BS because what happens subsequent to an event usually happens in part because that event happened the way it did. Difference is there were no subsequent events to that missed field goal, it was the last play of the season. Therefore "if it goes in we're 10-6, if it doesn't we're 9-7" is a true statement without qualifiers.

As for the positives I see from this offseason: first is the coaching shakeup, Pete held his coaching staff to an accountability standard of making the playoffs, sending a crystal clear message that not doing so is unacceptable. I may not care for all of the replacements, but I admit to not knowing these guys as well as Pete and John likely do.

Second is the shift in focus from a dominant but very expensive defense to a team more built around it's greatest remaining asset. I absolutely love that we're focusing more on the offensive line and RB.

Yes we lost a great deal with the passing of the Legion of Boom and I'll always be grateful for, and have immense respect for that group and the wonderful run they led this team on. It's been the funnest time ever to be a Seahawks fan! But like it or not that era has ended and it's time to move on. I think we're doing so the right way.

I think that Russ, with an improved line and hopefully solid running attack, can make the difference in enough games to get us back into the playoffs where we belong.

Yes the wheels could fall off and we could spend a season under the Mendoza line, or we could, if we do well with our early schedule, get on enough of a roll to get enough confidence and swagger back that we become SB contenders again. Now don't get me wrong, I don't think either of the extreme examples are likely, but both are certainly possible.

That's why, at this really too early to make such a prediction point in time, I see 10 wins as a likely landing spot.

[idhawkman]

I was watching the training camp feed on facebook today and I believe they said that the Oline will be 6-3 and 330lbs per player save for Sweezy. Wow! That's a big line and a lot of beef. Hopefully they push the pile 4 yards and a cloud of dust every play and just wear the hell out of the opposing defenses.

[NorthHawk]

They seem to be transitioning from athletic to maulers on the OL.
It's why I didn't think Sweezy was a fit from the physical point of view.
However, if he can beat out a penciled in starter, then the OL will be the better for it.

[The POPE]

I was watching the training camp feed on facebook today and I believe they said that the Oline will be 6-3 and 330lbs per player save for Sweezy. Wow! That's a big line and a lot of beef. Hopefully they push the pile 4 yards and a cloud of dust every play and just wear the hell out of the opposing defenses.

With the inexperience on defense, especially the secondary and d-line, 4 yards and a cloud of dust is the best option. Gonna need to keep that defense off the field and matriculate that ball down the field. If that doesn't happen it could be a long year. Indicators are that the new offensive system and inexperience on defense (sans linebackers) could be a recipe for disaster. I still have hope (sorta have to being the pope), but my prediction is 9-7 and missing the playoffs. If its worse than that, I can accept it as long as the team shows improvement throughout the year. The hawks are probably 2-3 years away from being SB contenders again, but you never know, miracles do happen.

Pope out

[NorthHawk]

It's both lines of scrimmage that are of concern to me.
Pete has shown he can build secondaries and the LB's are solid, so the biggest concerns are the DL pass rush and OL effectiveness.
Maybe they will surprise us on the DL and get some good pressure up the middle with Reed and Nazair Jones thus taking some of the pressure off of the DE's to dominate.

[burrrton]

It's why I put Burr on ignore and why I did you as well.

Aww.

And FTR, I do go overboard sometimes, but I more typically just respond in kind.

[idhawkman]

With the inexperience on defense, especially the secondary and d-line, 4 yards and a cloud of dust is the best option. Gonna need to keep that defense off the field and matriculate that ball down the field. If that doesn't happen it could be a long year. Indicators are that the new offensive system and inexperience on defense (sans linebackers) could be a recipe for disaster. I still have hope (sorta have to being the pope), but my prediction is 9-7 and missing the playoffs. If its worse than that, I can accept it as long as the team shows improvement throughout the year. The hawks are probably 2-3 years away from being SB contenders again, but you never know, miracles do happen.

Pope out

There's not a game on our schedule I don't think we could win. So its 19-0 again this year. Its why they play the games...

[jshawaii22]

The team played OK through the first 12 games last year, but couldn't hide the obvious issues in the last 1/4 of the year.
It was the fast downhill slide at the end of the year that rocked our world.
But going forward, the last 4 games last year should NOT an indication of what to expect this year, because by then Pete had lost the sidelines, lost the clubhouse, lost his coaching staff and had such a bad offense that it didn't matter at that point to the players. I foresaw Pete/JS departing with the 'bad' sidelines, clubhouse players and coaches which they did and so I do not see a repeat of those issues unless someone (ET, Bobby or ?) causes them going forward.

The 2018 team will need new set of leaders and a whole lot of new starters and backups. Do I think we're going to win 10? No, can't see it right now. We already have issues with injuries to major players on both O & D and the 2 bad drafts didn't help. Realistic is 7-9 or 8-8, just like starting over with the 'new' PC era was many years ago. I do hope that we see a "TEAM" again, which was painfully obvious we didn't have at the end of last year.

[obiken]

The team played OK through the first 12 games last year, but couldn't hide the obvious issues in the last 1/4 of the year.
It was the fast downhill slide at the end of the year that rocked our world.
But going forward, the last 4 games last year should NOT an indication of what to expect this year, because by then Pete had lost the sidelines, lost the clubhouse, lost his coaching staff and had such a bad offense that it didn't matter at that point to the players. I foresaw Pete/JS departing with the 'bad' sidelines, clubhouse players and coaches which they did and so I do not see a repeat of those issues unless someone (ET, Bobby or ?) causes them going forward.

The 2018 team will need new set of leaders and a whole lot of new starters and backups. Do I think we're going to win 10? No, can't see it right now. We already have issues with injuries to major players on both O & D and the 2 bad drafts didn't help. Realistic is 7-9 or 8-8, just like starting over with the 'new' PC era was many years ago. I do hope that we see a "TEAM" again, which was painfully obvious we didn't have at the end of last year.

10 wins, not insult most of the board, I do not see it to be had. 10 wins, Where are they? Panthers, Ram 2X Packers, Vikings, Chiefs, and Cowboys are all superior to us. We split with Jimmy G, and that's a reach and the Cards that's 9 loses, then the Chargers 10 and the Broncs 11. You guys are drunk. We lost 5 starters on Defense, and our OL is dog food. I love you guys but if RW goes down, we could be looking at a disaster.