Earl is done

[Sox-n-hawks]

Yes, things other than football come into play. You're arguing for the sake of argument. Keep talking, someone might listen.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/30/spor ... e-nfl.html

[c_hawkbob]

Didn't say things other than football didn't come into play, I said that he'd have a job in spite of those things if he were willing to accept one as a backup.

Things other than football come into play on his part too, IMO it better suits his current narrative, as well as his lawsuit, to maintain his demands for starting consideration rather than to take a deal as a back up.

There are a lot of factors in play here, it's "fake news" to pretend that any one factor tells the whole story.

[Sox-n-hawks]

Exactly.

And along the same lines, ET3s antics this season, protracted hold out and back to back season ending injuries will come into play when considering his contract. Non-football stuff will impact his value.

[c_hawkbob]

Exactly.

And along the same lines, ET3s antics this season, protracted hold out and back to back season ending injuries will come into play when considering his contract. Non-football stuff will impact his value.

The two situations are not at all analogous, Earl's finger didn't hurt his value a bit. His leg however ...

[burrrton]

That only holds true if the taxes are going up faster than the owner's profits, and we know that ain't happening.

Huh? This isn't about who's making more money.

The point is the Hawks couldn't sign Earl to $20M/yr because we have a salary cap to consider, and the owner was raising prices because of factors out of his control, too.

It's not a perfect analogy, but it's not so abstract that it should be hard to grasp.

[Anthony]

With in the next 1-2 years we will need to decide on KJ, Wags, and RW. Who would you let go to try and keep ET?

[HumanCockroach]

Kj in a heartbeat.

[Anthony]

Oh and add Clark. So in reality you can keep 3 of the following 5: Clark, KJ, Wags, ET, RW. Who do you keep? This is why ET at 30, comming off injuries the last few years might not get resigned.

[HumanCockroach]

The all pro quality ones in a heart beat... wilson, wags, Thomas without batting an eye.

Honestly, it's like having a conversation in 2001 about choosing whether to keep Walter Jones, because Chris Gray and Grant Feasle has to be taken care of.... no offense to Chris Gray, he was a nice guard, and Feasle was a solid center, but when the choice is first ballot HOF players, and nice players, it really isn't a difficult choice.

[HumanCockroach]

He's gone, of that I have little doubt, just a little less than I have about if he played today, Seattle wins this game.

[Anthony]

The all pro quality ones in a heart beat... wilson, wags, Thomas without batting an eye.

Honestly, it's like having a conversation in 2001 about choosing whether to keep Walter Jones, because Chris Gray and Grant Feasle has to be taken care of.... no offense to Chris Gray, he was a nice guard, and Feasle was a solid center, but when the choice is first ballot HOF players, and nice players, it really isn't a difficult choice.

My only thing would be Clark or Et, given ETs age, injuries and Clark being a pass rusher and all.

[HumanCockroach]

I'm not sold on Clark, and haven't been in any other regard other than a pass rushing specialist. Though he played extremely well today, he tends to disappear some games ( that doesn't mean just sacks, but completely irrelevant to the play on defense)... I understand the importance of good defensive ends, but firmly believe that the back and front work together, bad coverage hurts pass rush, and vice versa, Clark IMHO will never be a pro bowl, all pro ( and certainly not a HOF type DE) so the choice is easy for me.

I want wins, and don't really care how they come, so I'll always pick the most instrumental, best player... 30 despite claims to the contrary, isn't "old" for FS, and likely Thomas has 4 to 6 yrs at the level we've watched for the last 8 yrs.... to me, choosing between that, and 9 sacks a season from Clark, isn't really a difficult choice...

That said, it imho is irrelevant. Thomas is gone, so it matters little. Saying I would choose him, shouldn't be confused as a slight towards kj or Clark either, there is such a thing as really good players you have to let go, to keep truly excellent players , hence players like Irvin, Bennett, Okung, Richardson etc, etc have to be allowed to leave, you can't keep em all. Sucks, but part of the game.

[RiverDog]

And along the same lines, ET3s antics this season, protracted hold out and back to back season ending injuries will come into play when considering his contract. Non-football stuff will impact his value.

The two situations (Kaepernick and ET) are not at all analogous, Earl's finger didn't hurt his value a bit. His leg however ...

I agree with Cbob. Although Earl's value has crashed worse than the stock market of '29, it wasn't due to his classless act of giving the team his one finger salute.