Game Thread

[Anthony]

The refs have decided this game.

I cannot fcking *wait* until all these old, slow @ssholes are replaced with robots, sensors, and lasers.

Yeah, but some of the penaltiea were legit, and the killed us, and the play calling today was aweful.

[curmudgeon]

Hey Frank. Think your team is ready for the playoffs? How about shutting your mouth and taking care of business? Premature my team, LOL.....

[Anthony]

Okay worst officiated game I have seen. Worst offensive game calling i have seen. Horrible ST.

[burrrton]

Okay worst officiated game I have seen. Worst offensive game calling i have seen. Horrible ST.

Yeah. This year, at least. Unbelievable.

Literally every big play called back or nullified (yeah, some legit, but some were indefensible).

[curmudgeon]

PRETENDERS.....

[curmudgeon]

After losing to KC next week, Seattle will be a career day from Josh Rosen away from .500. Very possible. LMFAO......

[Anthony]

So you know curmudtroll i have foed you a long time ago as have alot of others so your talking to yourself.

[politicalfootball]

Ok I can see it in the cards we may go 8-8 if we don't squeak into the playoffs at 10-6.


Go Hawks !!!

[politicalfootball]

Or 9-7. Lol

[Anthony]

Ok I can see it in the cards we may go 8-8 if we don't squeak into the playoffs at 10-6.


Go Hawks !!!

If we dont fix the penalties, and the conservative play calling

[curmudgeon]

So you know curmudtroll i have foed you a long time ago as have alot of others so your talking to yourself.

No prob Anthony all the time

[obiken]

If we dont fix the penalties, and the conservative play calling

Its the Penalties! I have no problem with the play calling, Anthony, that last penalty just killed us!

[burrrton]

I'm not blaming the loss on the refs (you can't get punked by sh*tty teams like this if you expect anyone to take you seriously as a contender), but I'm really freaking done with NFL officiating.

It's obvious these officials can't keep up with a game being played by men 3x their size and 5x their speed. They get some right but so many are inexplicable. You could achieve virtually the same accuracy by literally randomizing calls.

It's time for something to change. I don't know what, but something has to or lifelong fans like me are going to start walking away.

[burrrton]

Holy sh*t- just saw:

148 penalty yards, all-time team record.

[curmudgeon]

Holy sh*t- just saw:

148 penalty yards, all-time team record.

WWE, NBA and now NFL. Rigged to fix......

[Anthony]

Its the Penalties! I have no problem with the play calling, Anthony, that last penalty just killed us!

I agree the penalties were bad but its been this way since PC got here, so I don't expect much fixing. The play calling was really bad a times very predictable to much run, run pass.

[Anthony]

Holy sh*t- just saw:

148 penalty yards, all-time team record.

Yup and they cost us a lot of yards, points etc

[Hawktawk]

I'm not blaming the loss on the refs (you can't get punked by sh*tty teams like this if you expect anyone to take you seriously as a contender), but I'm really freaking done with NFL officiating.

It's obvious these officials can't keep up with a game being played by men 3x their size and 5x their speed. They get some right but so many are inexplicable. You could achieve virtually the same accuracy by literally randomizing calls.

It's time for something to change. I don't know what, but something has to or lifelong fans like me are going to start walking away.

Burt we have a lot of political disagreements but I’m in lockstep with you on this thought . Im sorry I watched the niners hold, block n the back etc at least as much as Seattle and they only call blatant penalties on them and yet inspect Seattle calling ticky tack or non existing fouls on a rainy night on a shitty field robbing big play after big play on both sides of the ball from the hawks . We weren’t our best but we made the plays to win and imo this is in the refs ultimately . I’m
59 and have watched this game since the late 60s but stuff like this makes me consider shutting off the tv . Worst screw job since XL. Not as big a game but maybe worse . f the refs

[burrrton]

Im sorry I watched the niners hold, block n the back etc at least as much as Seattle and they only call blatant penalties on them and yet inspect Seattle calling ticky tack or non existing fouls on a rainy night on a shitty field robbing big play after big play on both sides of the ball from the hawks .

Ayup. It's pointless now, but I could point to play after play where one of our d-linemen was almost literally tackled, in space in front of God and everyone, with no call and a big play given up, and then a series later, they're rationalizing a holding penalty on SEA saying 'if you look closely, you can see his pinky catch the rusher's jersey for a moment as they clashed!'

This was just a ridiculously bad day for the officials and I'm sick of buying season tickets when this is so often a possibility.

[trents]

The 49ers' O'line ouplayed the Hawks' D'line today. Was there even one sack of Mullins today? And not many hurries either. SF played better in every phase of the game than they did two weeks ago in Seattle. And all those penalites. Sheesh! We've got to clean that up. On a couple of plays late in the game the Hawks defense lost their composure and committed childish, temper tantrum infractions. Losing MacDougal hurts us a bunch.

Edit: Yes, I meant 49ers', not Rams'. How do you do a strike through on this forum engine? On other forums I can just substitute "s" for one of the given text formatting choices. Doesn't work here.

[burrrton]

The Rams' O'line ouplayed the Hawks' D'line today.

Assuming you meant the Niners', agree.

[Hawktawk]

I disagree. Mullins is a complete stud and the 9ers were a dark horse SB pick in the preseason .they have a lot of talent and i was nervous about both games with them but we did not deserve 14 penalties for 148’yards killing huge plays for us in both sides of the ball. This is on the refs . Hopefully they don’t bend us over next Sunday but they probably will. -#haterefs#

[trents]

I disagree. Mullins is a complete stud and the 9ers were a dark horse SB pick in the preseason .they have a lot of talent and i was nervous about both games with them but we did not deserve 14 penalties for 148’yards killing huge plays for us in both sides of the ball. This is on the refs . Hopefully they don’t bend us over next Sunday but they probably will. -#haterefs#

Yes, Mullins will be a star in the league if he gets some good pieces around him. He's fearless but humble. Makes great throws under pressure.

[Hawk Sista]

I was at the game. The field, the refs, and sp teams (except for our bad ass punter) killed us. Sea-bass makes that 1st extra point - we win. We don’t allow the Niners a run back for a TD - we win. Tyler takes a damned knee in OT, and we have 13 more yards & who knows. WTF?

As noted, the officiating was bad. I saw so many blocks in the back and holding penalties not called against the home team, it was just effin silly. Even the die hard niner fans were shrugging their shoulders and laughing about it. On bobby’s Face mask call, our whole section saw a blatant hold. Shoulda been offsetting. 148 penalty yards does not even tell the impact of the penalties - deserved or not. They scored 17 points off of drive extending penalties and how many yards did we give back in addition to going backwards? Just that Mckissic play in OT by itself???

There was nothing wrong with the play calling, unless you were talkin ST or missed tackles. This was such a winnable game handed to a lesser team by brain farts and gifts from the zebras. At least that was how it looked in Santa Clara.

[RiverDog]

I was at the game. The field, the refs, and sp teams (except for our bad ass punter) killed us. Sea-bass makes that 1st extra point - we win. We don’t allow the Niners a run back for a TD - we win. Tyler takes a damned knee in OT, and we have 13 more yards & who knows. WTF?

As noted, the officiating was bad. I saw so many blocks in the back and holding penalties not called against the home team, it was just effin silly. Even the die hard niner fans were shrugging their shoulders and laughing about it. On bobby’s Face mask call, our whole section saw a blatant hold. Shoulda been offsetting. 148 penalty yards does not even tell the impact of the penalties - deserved or not. They scored 17 points off of drive extending penalties and how many yards did we give back in addition to going backwards? Just that Mckissic play in OT by itself???

There was nothing wrong with the play calling, unless you were talkin ST or missed tackles. This was such a winnable game handed to a lesser team by brain farts and gifts from the zebras. At least that was how it looked in Santa Clara.

Nice to see you again, Sis! Your absence is always a cause for concern.

A missed extra point in the first quarter ranks way down the list for causes of our loss. I was more upset with Seabass's lame effort on the ensuing kickoff than I was his missing the XP.

The play calling was the least of our troubles. When you're a run first team, you just can't afford to be put behind the sticks and expect to convert first downs. Besides, despite the penalties, statistically the offense performed to about what we've come to expect of them. Russell played well, we converted more than our average 3rd/4th down plays, and we didn't turn the ball over. You can't expect a lot more than that. The penalties were by far our biggest problem.

I agree, it was a poorly officiated game that we got the short end of the stick on, but we weren't the only ones. The Niners were slapped with 8 penalties of their own. There were a total of 22 penalties called for over 200 yards. To say that the crew was flag happy was an understatement. But having said that, most of those penalties were of our own doing. You can't expect to grab face masks and get away with it, put a bear hug on a DE and get away with it, grab jerseys and get away with it, and so on. Pete's Achilles heal ever since he got here has been penalties, and it was never more apparent that it was yesterday. Once again, we're one of the worst penalized teams in the league, and we no longer have Michael Bennett to blame.

Hopefully our players aren't rationalizing this loss like some of us are. We played a bad game that we were probably due for. We played the same team twice in 3 weeks, a situation that when we win the first game, always makes me uncomfortable in the 2nd. You can't expect the breaks to go our way in every single contest.

[idhawkman]

I agree with all the comments about officiating but I haven't seen anyone call out RW for the poor plays he displayed. I knew in the 3rd quarter that we'd lose because RW wasn't running out his fakes on R.O. plays after handing the ball off. You can literally see when RW is in the game and when he's not. He wasn't in this game mentally and just barely physically.

[RiverDog]

I agree with all the comments about officiating but I haven't seen anyone call out RW for the poor plays he displayed. I knew in the 3rd quarter that we'd lose because RW wasn't running out his fakes on R.O. plays after handing the ball off. You can literally see when RW is in the game and when he's not. He wasn't in this game mentally and just barely physically.

I'll have to take another look and see if I notice what you've mentioned.

But outside of the fact that he's the quarterback and the player most responsible for our successes and troubles, I don't think any of us can lay this loss on him. If we commit just half of the penalties we got flagged for, we would have won this game easily. Whether it was as a result of our sloppy play or a poorly officiated game, it was far and away the largest single reason for this loss.

[idhawkman]

I'll have to take another look and see if I notice what you've mentioned.

But outside of the fact that he's the quarterback and the player most responsible for our successes and troubles, I don't think any of us can lay this loss on him. If we commit just half of the penalties we got flagged for, we would have won this game easily. Whether it was as a result of our sloppy play or a poorly officiated game, it was far and away the largest single reason for this loss.

Just curious, do you not think that his attitude toward the game permiates down through the rest of the players given he's most responsible for our successes and troubles?

[Hawk Sista]

Nice to see you, too - Riv. I’m fine, thank you!

The first game in Seattle, a lot of balls bounced our way. I knew this one would be closer, but thought we’d pull it off. When our 3rd string guard went in, I was a lil nervous and he did commit a few drive killing (& idiotic) penalties. Delano seemed better as the game went on after being like a liability when he first came in. KJ & Mykal K. Both out when their passing game is pretty decent made me nervous, too. Calitro is good, but is not nearly as good in coverage and it showed. But injuries happen to all teams, and that’s the way it goes. No excuse.

The Niners played pretty well, really. We did not on a few ST plays & bone-headed penalties (some deserved/others weren’t - plus a lot of missed holding and blocking in the back penalties missed on the Niners). The timing of the penalties were brutal, too - they added to their field position and put us way behind the 8 ball. I’m not blaming the refs, I’m not blaming play calling, I’m certainly not blaming RW...or Pete either for what it’s worth. We played a sloppy game on a sloppy field in sloppy weather with very sloppy officiating that favored the other team. And to be clear, I’m not blaming Seabass either. But he missed an xtra point and we went to OT because we were tied. Same with the stupid kick return. While early, momentum shifted significantly when they went up 7-6. I was there and it was palpable. Had that 8 point swing never happened, I doubt we would have lost.

[RiverDog]

Just curious, do you not think that his attitude toward the game permiates down through the rest of the players given he's most responsible for our successes and troubles?

It's his team, so of course, his attitude towards the game can affect his teammates. But I'm not ready to accept your hypothesis that he had a bad attitude. To the contrary, his getting out and leading a ball carrier isn't what I'd call an indicator of a bad attitude, although his blocking is about as good as Seabass's tackling.

[Hawk Sista]

I don’t think RW had an attitude or was not willing to do whatever to win. He did seem hesitant and not quite himself; even looked funny in that 45 yard scamper on Monday night. I don’t think it’s his age (might be, though), i think he’s not 100% by quite a margin. But he did what he was asked to do. 117 passer rating and NO turnovers. The niner front 7 came to play.

[RiverDog]

Nice to see you, too - Riv. I’m fine, thank you!

The first game in Seattle, a lot of balls bounced our way. I knew this one would be closer, but thought we’d pull it off. When our 3 string guard went in, I was a lil nervous and he did commit a few drive killing (& idiotic) penalties. Delano seemed better as the game went after feeling like a bit of a liability when he first came in. KJ & Mykal K out when their passing game is pretty decent made me nervous, too. Calitro is good, but is not nearly as good in coverage. But injuries happen, and that’s the way it goes.

The Niners played pretty well, really. We did not on a few ST, bone-headed penalties (some deserved/others weren’t - plus a lot of missed holding and blocking in the back penalties on the Niners). I’m not blaming the refs, I’m not blaming pay calling, I’m not blaming RW or Pete either. We played a sloppy game on a sloppy filed in sloppy weather with sloppy officiating that favored the other team. And to be clear, I’m not blaming Seabass either. But he missed an xtra point and we went to OT. Same with the stupid kick return. While early, momentum shifts Ted when they went up 7-6. I was there and it was palpable. Had that 8 point swing never happened, I doubt we lose.

I'm in agreement with this take. My point on the missed XP wasn't that it was unimportant, just that with a different score, it would have changed the dynamics of the decision making on both sides of the field. If we had a one point lead in regulation, would the Niner's play calles been different vs. a tie score? Would our offense played it any differently being up by one vs. tied? IMO the answer is an undeniable yes.

The last PI call was horrible. The rule of thumb for officiating any game in any sport is to call the game close early to establish what's acceptable but not to call cheap penalties late when the game hangs in the balance. It's inexcusable for a crew that had already thrown over 20 flags to call a PI on a no-never mind play like that. But as you indicated, only an excuse maker would blame our loss on the refs.

[NineR]

Another party last night like we won the Superbowl.

My two takes however;

You guys did get hosed with a few penalties, personally I am getting sick of watch the NFL as a yellow flag throw contest

The field is horrid, I think being at sea-level it it always wet and grass is hard to grow and take root...been a disaster since it opened and leading to injuries

Good luck the rest of the way esp next week against the new darling of the NFL

[c_hawkbob]

Another party last night lkie we won the superbowl.

My two takes however;

You guys did get hosed with a few penalties, personally I am getting sick of watch the NFL as a yellow flag throw contest

The field is horrid, I think being at sea-level it it always wet and grass is hard to grow and take root...been a disaster since it opened and leading to injuries

Good luck the rest of the way esp next week against the new darling of the NFL

You're alright NineR, feel free to poke your head in whenever.

Sis! great to see you posting again, I've missed you, this place ain't the same when you're not here!

I missed the game yesterday, was the only time slot available to take my grandson to YaYa's Island (like Chucky Cheeses on steroids) for his 8th birthday. First game I've missed in decades, sounds like I missed out on a whole lotta frustration and headache ... I've got Game Pass but I think I'll let this one settle into the rear view mirror a while before subjecting myself to it, my psyche might not be up to another XL just now ... (I know, no where near the importance level, but bad officiating like that just burns me up).

[RiverDog]

Another party last night lkie we won the superbowl.

My two takes however;

You guys did get hosed with a few penalties, personally I am getting sick of watch the NFL as a yellow flag throw contest

The field is horrid, I think being at sea-level it it always wet and grass is hard to grow and take root...been a disaster since it opened and leading to injuries

Good luck the rest of the way esp next week against the new darling of the NFL

Nice post, NineR!

Like Cbob said, you're welcome to join our crowd anytime. I wasn't sure how to take you on your first couple of visits.

You're right about fields at sea level not draining properly. We probably would have had the same problem up here, perhaps even worse as we get fewer UV rays in the fall than does the Bay Area. I didn't like the decision at the time because the stadium was sold to us voters as having a natural grass turf and suitable for World Cup play, but Paul Allen stepped up to the plate, like he always did, and said that if we ever got the chance to host a World Cup game that he'd pay to have a temporary grass field brought in.

But whatever the cause, it's obviously a problem and they'd damn well better address it, especially since they made such a stink about the field in Mexico City.

[Anthony]

I agree with all the comments about officiating but I haven't seen anyone call out RW for the poor plays he displayed. I knew in the 3rd quarter that we'd lose because RW wasn't running out his fakes on R.O. plays after handing the ball off. You can literally see when RW is in the game and when he's not. He wasn't in this game mentally and just barely physically.

So for what it is worth, the only time I did not see him carry out the fake was when the end stayed. I did see him show some frustration with the penalties, I mean all 3 drives in the 4th qtr were stopped by penalties to include one big gainer that got us into FG range. I also saw him skate one time on one of the RO carry outs. Meaning he almost lost this footing, but that was in the 1dt half. I also saw him show some serious emotion on the one leaping catch by DB. SO I think he was in the game, and his stats clearly show he was, it is just hard to overcome that many penalties, most of which was on our oline.

[idhawkman]

It's his team, so of course, his attitude towards the game can affect his teammates. But I'm not ready to accept your hypothesis that he had a bad attitude. To the contrary, his getting out and leading a ball carrier isn't what I'd call an indicator of a bad attitude, although his blocking is about as good as Seabass's tackling.

Fair enough. I would encourage you to watch the body language of RW in the first 3 quarters of any game and then tell me if you know what the outcome is going to be after watching it. Being calm under pressure in the 4th quarter is fine and he's used it to his advantage but he needs to WAKE UP for the first 3 quarters at least.

[RiverDog]

Fair enough. I would encourage you to watch the body language of RW in the first 3 quarters of any game and then tell me if you know what the outcome is going to be after watching it. Being calm under pressure in the 4th quarter is fine and he's used it to his advantage but he needs to WAKE UP for the first 3 quarters at least.

I agree with you. I always bristle a bit whenever anybody starts talking about how many 4th quarter/OT winning drives Russell Wilson has to his credit or how clutch he is, conveniently overlooking the fact that his slow starts to a large degree set up the "winning" drive. The NFCCG against the Packers is a classic example. He plays in quarters 1-3 like he did in the 4th/OT and there's no need for a winning drive.

[Anthony]

Fair enough. I would encourage you to watch the body language of RW in the first 3 quarters of any game and then tell me if you know what the outcome is going to be after watching it. Being calm under pressure in the 4th quarter is fine and he's used it to his advantage but he needs to WAKE UP for the first 3 quarters at least.

So we are at the point where we are going to say "OUR OPINION OF WHAT WE THINK SOMEONE's BODY LANGUAGE" is how we will blame someone for a game. LOL pathetic. Also the first 3 qtrs you mean where he threw for 2 TDs and led us on a 3rd TD drive? You grasping for straws when there are none.

[Anthony]

I agree with you. I always bristle a bit whenever anybody starts talking about how many 4th quarter/OT winning drives Russell Wilson has to his credit or how clutch he is, conveniently overlooking the fact that his slow starts to a large degree set up the "winning" drive. The NFCCG against the Packers is a classic example. He plays in quarters 1-3 like he did in the 4th/OT and there's no need for a winning drive.

How much of that is PCs mantra you can't win in the 1st-3rd, but you can in the 4th? Answer most of it.