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by **trents** » Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:50 pm

He's better than the guy before him but still misses too many easy PAT's and field goals. The Hawks signed him to a one year contract last year. Might depend on if anything better is still available in the draft or FA after other needs are addressed.

by **Hawktawk** » Sat Dec 29, 2018 9:35 pm

I say no: his 80% make % on fgs is pretty bottom of the leage along with what seems like a lot of I’ll timed extra point whiffs. My bottom line was dodging the return man in sc after blowing another extra point. That’s a potential 8’point swing in a 3 point game. Get him out of here ASAP . If he hits a 55 yarder to win the Sb we can revisit

by **mykc14** » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:45 pm

Gotta bring somebody else in for competition and hope they win because he just isn’t that great of a kicker...

by **NorthHawk** » Sun Dec 30, 2018 12:40 am

Any thoughts about who in FA might be available to compete?
Kicker is real hard to judge because they can go bad quickly or get streaky.

by **politicalfootball** » Sun Dec 30, 2018 3:28 am

Yeah he was supposed to be money for the trip home from the SB. Flying in the jet maybe we win by 3 points. Just a fantasy I guess. :lol:

by **trents** » Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:01 am

Hawktawk wrote:I say no: his 80% make % on fgs is pretty bottom of the leage along with what seems like a lot of I’ll timed extra point whiffs. My bottom line was dodging the return man in sc after blowing another extra point. That’s a potential 8’point swing in a 3 point game. Get him out of here ASAP . If he hits a 55 yarder to win the Sb we can revisit

Actually, I think he did that on two occasions but I don't know if it was purposeful dodging, lack of effort or lack of athleticism.

by **RiverDog** » Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:26 am

My guess is that if he doesn't retire, that we'll draft a kicker in the 6th or 7th round to come in and compete with him.

by **NorthHawk** » Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:22 am

RiverDog wrote:My guess is that if he doesn't retire, that we'll draft a kicker in the 6th or 7th round to come in and compete with him.

We currently only have 4 picks this year with the latest being the 5th round.
I fully expect to get 6 to 8 picks once it's all said and done, so maybe so.
Looking at NFLDraftScout, there seem to be 3 or 4 possible Kickers that could be a target.
Either way, it's taking a chance on a player that might not pan out if this last year is
any indication.
We shouldn't have let Hausch go so easily in hindsight.

by **RiverDog** » Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:05 am

NorthHawk wrote:We shouldn't have let Hausch go so easily in hindsight.

Agreed. They were penny wise and pound foolish.

by **EmeraldBullet** » Sun Dec 30, 2018 2:55 pm

I think I heard it best on brock and salk. A kicker is like a jug of milk. When it's good, it's good. And then it goes bad. And it has to go. Janikowski imo isn't a spoiled bottle yet, but not something we have to keep either. He seems like a nice hedge. We bring in a kicker (or two) for competition and see.......plus the season isn't over!

by **idhawkman** » Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:48 am

RiverDog wrote:
Agreed. They were penny wise and pound foolish.

At the time, Hausch had to go. I think he had gotten comfortable here and the move made him refocus. I think too many people forget how they felt about him when it was time to move on.

by **RiverDog** » Mon Dec 31, 2018 7:36 am

idhawkman wrote:At the time, Hausch had to go. I think he had gotten comfortable here and the move made him refocus. I think too many people forget how they felt about him when it was time to move on.

I don't think that's why we didn't resign him. Hauch made a lot of big kicks with us. IMO they saw an opportunity to save a few bucks by not paying him what it would have taken to keep him here.

by **idhawkman** » Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:28 am

RiverDog wrote:I don't think that's why we didn't resign him. Hauch made a lot of big kicks with us. IMO they saw an opportunity to save a few bucks by not paying him what it would have taken to keep him here.

I seem to remember it was a combination of things. He had a few kicks blocked and he missed a couple (seems like the Arizona game sticks in my mind most) add those facts to the money he would have gotten and the cap situation we were in with signing Bwags, Bennett, etc and the choice was obvious to let him go. I could be wrong on the "stars" we needed to resign as it could have been Avril or Kam or whatever but the money was thin and we needed to save the bucks for what we got in return for him.

by **Anthony** » Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:47 pm

I hope not but will trust the Hawks to make the right move.

by **RiverDog** » Mon Dec 31, 2018 4:39 pm

RiverDog wrote:I don't think that's why we didn't resign him. Hauch made a lot of big kicks with us. IMO they saw an opportunity to save a few bucks by not paying him what it would have taken to keep him here.

idhawkman wrote:I seem to remember it was a combination of things. He had a few kicks blocked and he missed a couple (seems like the Arizona game sticks in my mind most) add those facts to the money he would have gotten and the cap situation we were in with signing Bwags, Bennett, etc and the choice was obvious to let him go. I could be wrong on the "stars" we needed to resign as it could have been Avril or Kam or whatever but the money was thin and we needed to save the bucks for what we got in return for him.

I think that's a fair analysis. I know that Hausch never liked that turf in Glendale, which was his most glaring miss as it was in sudden death overtime. That field always seems to me like they over water it as there's huge divots that you don't see on other grass fields.

by **Anthony** » Mon Dec 31, 2018 4:43 pm

I may need to re-evaluate my thoughts on Seabass

Third kicker since 1970 to kick three game-winning field goals in one season!

Also he went 22-27 on fg's.

House 22-28.

that said he was 22nd in FG %

so who knows

by **RiverDog** » Tue Jan 01, 2019 8:01 am

Anthony wrote:I may need to re-evaluate my thoughts on Seabass

Third kicker since 1970 to kick three game-winning field goals in one season!

That falls under the category of a fun fact, but has little to do with his actual performance. His game winning kicks are a direct result of opportunities over which he has near zero control over.

Also he went 22-27 on fg's. House 22-28.

Need distances for both in order to make a fair comparison.

that said he was 22nd in FG %

Probably a more fair stat than the game winners, but still need percentages from various distances.

by **obiken** » Tue Jan 01, 2019 10:25 am

No there are better kickers to be had out there.

by **RiverDog** » Tue Jan 01, 2019 10:44 am

obiken wrote:No there are better kickers to be had out there.

I disagree. Seabass is a middle of the road kicker by just about every objective measure. He's 23rd in overall FG%, T-13th in FG's over 50, 9th in 40-49, T-12th in 30-39, T-33rd in 20-29, and 22nd in XP%.

He's a more dependable kicker than was Blair Walsh and as Anthony noted, he's been money on pressure kicks, but I would go so far as to say that there aren't any other better kickers out there. If there wasn't, then there would be no sense in bringing in someone else to compete for his job. There's always going to be experienced kickers on the market and the colleges have kickers with just as good or better legs.

by **idhawkman** » Wed Jan 02, 2019 5:38 am

obiken wrote:No there are better kickers to be had out there.

There's always someone better. For instance, there's better QBs out there to be had than RW. Doesn't mean we want them or will even entertain going after them. That was the whole goal of the CAP, make people choose where they want to be good, great or weak on the entire team.

by **depaashaas** » Wed Jan 02, 2019 6:01 am

Anthony wrote:I may need to re-evaluate my thoughts on Seabass

Third kicker since 1970 to kick three game-winning field goals in one season!

Also he went 22-27 on fg's.

House 22-28.

that said he was 22nd in FG %

so who knows

Funny as the year before they had a kicker that lost you 3 games in one season

by **politicalfootball** » Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:55 am

EmeraldBullet wrote:I think I heard it best on brock and salk. A kicker is like a jug of milk. When it's good, it's good. And then it goes bad. And it has to go. Janikowski imo isn't a spoiled bottle yet, but not something we have to keep either. He seems like a nice hedge. We bring in a kicker (or two) for competition and see.......plus the season isn't over!

I vote Sea bass will be back then we can have a whole year and not do anything.

If we do replace him it should be UDFA.

by **idhawkman** » Wed Jan 02, 2019 11:03 am

politicalfootball wrote:
I vote Sea bass will be back then we can have a whole year and not do anything.

If we do replace him it should be UDFA.

That's an interesting position since an UDFA could be much worse than Walsh was. Could be better, too but do you really want to take a crap shoot on that?

by **EmeraldBullet** » Sun Jan 06, 2019 3:29 pm

Anyone see last night on the cowboys return how Seabass was actually running and looked like he was trying to make a play unlike the last time he was in that situation? I think he got the message as far as that goes. I kinda wonder if that sprinting contributed to his injury on the long FG attempt. In any case I change my vote and say he wont be back most likely.

by **obiken** » Sun Jan 06, 2019 3:47 pm

No, hes too old!

by **RiverDog** » Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:09 pm

To set some things straight: Janikowski will turn 41 this March. He's listed at 6'1", 260 pounds.

Unless you're some sort of buffed out, gym rat stud, 260 lbs is way too much weight for a person that's 6'1" tall and in his 40's to carry. IMO the fact that he's at least 40-50 pounds overweight likely means that he's not in good running condition. Combine that with his standing around for most of the game, save a few kicks into the net, likely contributed to his hamstring pull.

Considering how his injury could have had disasterous consequences (it actually benefitted us as it resulted in two successful 2 point conversions), I don't see any way in hell that we'd bring him back next season.

What would have happened if we recovered the onside kick attempt? Would Dickson have been able to drop kick a 50 yard FG? We can't risk our season on a kicker that's in worse shame than most of us over 40 armchair quarterbacks.

by **trents** » Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:50 pm

Janikowski's physique looks about the same as it did when he was a rookie it seems to me. A lot more years and a few more pounds maybe but not much different. I don't think he's ever been a gym rat.

by **RiverDog** » Sun Jan 06, 2019 5:47 pm

trents wrote:Janikowski's physique looks about the same as it did when he was a rookie it seems to me. A lot more years and a few more pounds maybe but not much different. I don't think he's ever been a gym rat.

My point is that unless Seabass IS a gym rat, 260 pounds is way too much weight for him to carry whether he's been carrying that much all his life or just this season, and that his physical condition, in combination with his age and the fact that he was standing around for most of the game, probably contributed to his pulling a hammy.

by **trents** » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:01 pm

I'm agreeing with you River. My point was that his lack of athleticism and his injury can't be blamed just on his age. He has never been particularly committed to being in shape it seems and when you couple that with time it's a bad combo.

by **RiverDog** » Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:57 pm

trents wrote:I'm agreeing with you River. My point was that his lack of athleticism and his injury can't be blamed just on his age. He has never been particularly committed to being in shape it seems and when you couple that with time it's a bad combo.

OK, sorry if I seemed a little passionate. But after watching Seabass's lame effort to tackle a kick returner in the Santa Clara game and now seeing him pull a hammy in the playoffs, I am coming to the conclusion that he's an overpaid, out of shape, entitlement attitude, money sucking fraud that cares more about the name on the back of his jersey than what's represented by the emblem on his helmet. I want no part of him going down the road.

by **NorthHawk** » Sun Jan 06, 2019 9:05 pm

It depends on who else is out there.
The last few years we’ve seen some highly touted rookies drafted and busted, and FA’s are on the market for a reason,so it’s going to be a gamble however we proceed.

by **RiverDog** » Sun Jan 06, 2019 9:26 pm

NorthHawk wrote:It depends on who else is out there.
The last few years we’ve seen some highly touted rookies drafted and busted, and FA’s are on the market for a reason,so it’s going to be a gamble however we proceed.

It's going to be a gamble even if we keep Seabass. By all objective measures, he was a middle of the road place kicker. I'd rather take my chances on an unproven rookie out of college.

by **Agent 86** » Sun Jan 06, 2019 9:33 pm

As long as they don't sign a kicker who has demons (Walsh). How do you think Parkey is going to do next year after his season and ultimate miss today?

I would be good if they went in another direction next year, Seabass wasn't a difference maker, and given what everyone has said above about his shape and age, I don't see him being on the team. Could be in camp though.

A UDFA or a vet off the street looking for a fresh start would be fine with me. But again, no kicker that has playoff demons.

by **RiverDog** » Sun Jan 06, 2019 9:51 pm

Agent 86 wrote:As long as they don't sign a kicker who has demons (Walsh). How do you think Parkey is going to do next year after his season and ultimate miss today?

I would be good if they went in another direction next year, Seabass wasn't a difference maker, and given what everyone has said above about his shape and age, I don't see him being on the team. Could be in camp though.

A UDFA or a vet off the street looking for a fresh start would be fine with me. But again, no kicker that has playoff demons.

More so than any other position on the field, place kickers are a funny breed. Just today, the kicker that many thought was solid gold, Justin Tucker, missed an extra point that cost his team the game. It was his first missed XP in his career.

If the Ravens released Tucker tomorrow, would you bring him in knowing the playoff demons he now has? Or is he damned for the rest of his career because of that one miss?

by **politicalfootball** » Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:05 pm

I vote for the ranks of the college rosters for a kicker. Young and cheap.

by **NorthHawk** » Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:46 am

More so than any other position on the field, place kickers are a funny breed. Just today, the kicker that many thought was solid gold, Justin Tucker, missed an extra point that cost his team the game. It was his first missed XP in his career.

If the Ravens released Tucker tomorrow, would you bring him in knowing the playoff demons he now has? Or is he damned for the rest of his career because of that one miss?

Like IdHawkman said, it's a crapshoot.
I doubt the Ravens would be dumb enough to let Tucker go, but if next year he becomes regularly inconsistent, it might happen.
Parker, on the other hand might be let go as said above. I don't know if he's worth a tryout or not.
Maybe it was just a bad luck year for him.

by **RiverDog** » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:47 am

NorthHawk wrote:Parker (Cody Parkey), on the other hand might be let go as said above. I don't know if he's worth a tryout or not. Maybe it was just a bad luck year for him.

I wouldn't expect the Bears to let him go:

But despite all of the apparent public pressure, general manger Ryan Pace isn’t likely going to release the kicker this offseason. The Bears signed Parkey to a four-year, $15 million contract last offseason, with $9 million guaranteed. That guaranteed money is distributed throughout the length of the contract, but after only one season, his deal isn’t easy for Chicago to get out of.

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/ ... ff-kicker/

by **Agent 86** » Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:12 pm

More so than any other position on the field, place kickers are a funny breed. Just today, the kicker that many thought was solid gold, Justin Tucker, missed an extra point that cost his team the game. It was his first missed XP in his career.

If the Ravens released Tucker tomorrow, would you bring him in knowing the playoff demons he now has? Or is he damned for the rest of his career because of that one miss?

Riv, you might be off on that one. Tucker did not miss an XP yesterday, and the Ravens lost by 6 anyways. He did miss a FG earlier in the game which I believe they said was his first missed FG attempt in postseason play? Also, I think he actually did miss an XP during the regular season this year which was his first, and I think that one cost his team the game.

In any case, Tucker is a proven solid kicker. If he ever missed a 27 yard FG to win the game(Walsh), he might be one of the few to overcome it. By demons, I mean someone who has missed a FG in the last minute they should have made to win a game. I can't imagine that is something that is easy to get over, to let an entire team down by not doing your job. There aren't many out there, but I remember when the Hawks signed Walsh, I thought to myself that is no good given that FG he missed in the playoffs for the Vikings. Just too hard to overcome IMO for a kicker, you would always be fighting that one moment.

by **RiverDog** » Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:18 pm

Agent86 wrote:Riv, you might be off on that one. Tucker did not miss an XP yesterday, and the Ravens lost by 6 anyways. He did miss a FG earlier in the game which I believe they said was his first missed FG attempt in postseason play? Also, I think he actually did miss an XP during the regular season this year which was his first, and I think that one cost his team the game.

You're exactly right. I was watching the game sort of off and on and knew he had missed a big kick yesterday, but I guess I wasn't paying enough attention. Thanks for the correction!

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by **politicalfootball** » Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:18 pm

What about drafting a college player 7th round of the draft or UFA. I think that is the way to go. Especially UDFA we don't risk much, just a spot in the camp to compete with Seabass. Janikowski is very replaceable. Plus we have to resign those FA and Russell Wilson so paying the minimum for a 7th round pick or UFA Sounds good to me.

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