Janikowski back next year?

[HawkDawg]

Not to start a conspiracy theory, but did anyone notice that he grabbed his leg after he knew the kick was shanked? Watch the replay if you can. After talking with a few people they noticed the exact same thing. It very well could have been legit, it just seemed a bit suspicious. Regardless, it was most likely his last kick in the NFL...the guy is set for life. Time to get some young blood in here to help Dickson out on ST.

[RiverDog]

Not to start a conspiracy theory, but did anyone notice that he grabbed his leg after he knew the kick was shanked? Watch the replay if you can. After talking with a few people they noticed the exact same thing. It very well could have been legit, it just seemed a bit suspicious. Regardless, it was most likely his last kick in the NFL...the guy is set for life. Time to get some young blood in here to help Dickson out on ST.

Well, I'm not necessarily subscribing to the "conspiracy theory", but Seabass lost me back in Santa Clara on that lame attempt to stop a kick return. So I agree with you, let's get some new blood in here that's appreciative of playing in the NFL and lives to win games for his teammates and fans.

[The POPE]

No conspiracy theory here. I see a fat, out of shape, on his last leg (literally) old kicker that got at least 1 more year than he should have. Being short on draft picks this year I think the best shot is free agency or picking up a rookie post draft. The field goal kicker is an intricate part of the game Pete plays. How many games close have the Hawks lost since they sent Hauscka packing? If the Hawks are going to continually play close games picking up a quality kicker is a must. I think that was the thought process this year, but Seabass just didn’t have enough left in the tank. Seabass was one of Pete’s reaches that almost worked.


Pope out

[politicalfootball]

My guess is that if he doesn't retire, that we'll draft a kicker in the 6th or 7th round to come in and compete with him.

This is who I like to replace Janikowski.

Quinn Nordin K Michigan '6"1 206

19-24 (79.2 pct) college career
longest kick is 55 yards

There are several more also but he is going to be there when we pick. Hope he will be a UDFA when we draft him. He is the 5th best rated fg kicker in the NFL draft 2019. If not him we have other options.

[Uppercut]

Isn't the guy from Stanford good?

[RiverDog]

This is who I like to replace Janikowski.

Quinn Nordin K Michigan '6"1 206

19-24 (79.2 pct) college career
longest kick is 55 yards

There are several more also but he is going to be there when we pick. Hope he will be a UDFA when we draft him. He is the 5th best rated fg kicker in the NFL draft 2019. If not him we have other options.

79% FG is nothing to write home about unless he's attempted a bunch of 50+. The guy from Stanford (Jet Toner) that Uppercut is referring to hit on 93% this season.

[c_hawkbob]

I still like Matt Gay https://www.sltrib.com/sports/utah-utes ... -long-ute/

[NorthHawk]

NFLDraftScout has Matt Gay ranked at the top.
He's a big guy with a big leg, too.

But good kickers in College aren't guaranteed to be good in the NFL.
Arguayo was drafted by the Bucs and he rarely if ever missed in College, but couldn't make a FG to save his life in the NFL
and this past year Carlson was touted to be very good and he didn't last more than a few games for the Vikings.

I just hope we are lucky with the player that ends up kicking for us even if it Janikowski.

[RiverDog]

But good kickers in College aren't guaranteed to be good in the NFL.
Arguayo was drafted by the Bucs and he rarely if ever missed in College, but couldn't make a FG to save his life in the NFL
and this past year Carlson was touted to be very good and he didn't last more than a few games for the Vikings.

Very true. Going back a couple of decades, I remember a place kicker out of Texas by the name of Russell Erxleben (sp.). He set an NCAA FG record, was drafted in the 1st round by the Saints, and was a complete fizzle.

[idhawkman]

Not to start a conspiracy theory, but did anyone notice that he grabbed his leg after he knew the kick was shanked? Watch the replay if you can. After talking with a few people they noticed the exact same thing. It very well could have been legit, it just seemed a bit suspicious. Regardless, it was most likely his last kick in the NFL...the guy is set for life. Time to get some young blood in here to help Dickson out on ST.

Not sure if you have ever thrown a hammy before but it takes a second or so before you know its bad. I threw mine once running out a grounder to first base. Felt it go about 3/4 of the way there but didn't pull up until I hit the bag. Took me 6 weeks to get over that and I understood why they are so debilitating once you throw it.

[idhawkman]

Goal posts are much closer together in the NFL and the sight lines probably freak out the college players because of it.

[idhawkman]

BTW, I hear there's a brewery in Chicago willing to give a year's supply of beer to anyone who can kick a 46 yard field goal. (or whatever range that kick was from).

[c_hawkbob]

NFL and college goal posts are the same distance apart, the sight line difference is due to the NFL hash marks being wider.

[Hawktawk]

I’m 100% with RD. I was done when he ran out of bounds to avoid contact and let the guy in frisco house it. Yeah stuff hurts more as you age but what a pussy move . Good bye .

[RiverDog]

NFL and college goal posts are the same distance apart, the sight line difference is due to the NFL hash marks being wider.

It's the other way around: The NFL hash marks are closer together than they are in college.

[c_hawkbob]

NFL and college goal posts are the same distance apart, the sight line difference is due to the NFL hash marks being wider.

It's the other way around: The NFL hash marks are closer together than they are in college.

Yes, that's correct, giving the NFL less of a 'long side' of the field ... Point is the sight line difference between college and pro is the hashmarks, not the uprights (though they are taller in the pros).

[HawkDawg]

Not sure if you have ever thrown a hammy before but it takes a second or so before you know its bad. I threw mine once running out a grounder to first base. Felt it go about 3/4 of the way there but didn't pull up until I hit the bag. Took me 6 weeks to get over that and I understood why they are so debilitating once you throw it.

I have, though it was a good 20 years ago. Not trying to stir the pot, it was just something I've heard several people whisper about...thought I'd see what people here had to say. Anyway, I hope he heals fine. The guy has had a long career and I'm sure he'll enjoy his retirement.

[idhawkman]

I have, though it was a good 20 years ago. Not trying to stir the pot, it was just something I've heard several people whisper about...thought I'd see what people here had to say. Anyway, I hope he heals fine. The guy has had a long career and I'm sure he'll enjoy his retirement.

I watched him warm up twice before the game and that kick during the game just came off his foot real bad - 100 times worse than anything he kicked in warmups. So I think he was trying to over power the kick.

That said, I don't think he felt anything until after he kicked it but I don't think he was faking the injury either because he had shanked it. Bottom line, he missed the FG outright and then felt the hammy go. Sucks that it happened to us and worse yet, him bending over to grab his hammy reminded me of Romo sitting on our turf after he botched that hold he had in the playoffs.

[c_hawkbob]

Janikowski back next year?

Probably not: https://www.yahoo.com/sports/seahawks-s ... 29094.html

[RiverDog]

Janikowski back next year?

Probably not: https://www.yahoo.com/sports/seahawks-s ... 29094.html

No surprise, but nevertheless, it's welcome news. I've had it with Seabass.

[c_hawkbob]

Yup.

[EmeraldBullet]

Just wanted to mention he didn't injure his hamstring (which is for pulling your leg back), he injured his quad (which is for kicking forward)....Both injuries suck but I'd say in my experience pulling a quad isn't as bad as pulling a hammy. Anyways, kinda a pointless point im making. Audios seabass.

[obiken]

What about drafting a college player 7th round of the draft or UFA. I think that is the way to go. Especially UDFA we don't risk much, just a spot in the camp to compete with Seabass. Janikowski is very replaceable. Plus we have to resign those FA and Russell Wilson so paying the minimum for a 7th round pick or UFA Sounds good to me.

Thats what I said, I think that is your best option.

[politicalfootball]

Gay or Jet would be awesome but will either one be available when it is our turn to draft ? I only touted Quinn from Michigan because I thought he was who we are going to be settling for. If Toner or Gay are available definitely we go with

[NorthHawk]

I'm not sure teams want to spend a mid to late pick on a Kicker these days with the failings of Arguayo (sp) and Carlson the last few years.
Maybe the very last round, but many of the kickers, no matter how good they kicked in College, have problems at the NFL level.
The Bucs drafted Arguayo in something like round 2 or 3. He hardly missed any Field Goals or Extra Points in college, but couldn't
couldn't get it through the uprights in the NFL. Carlson lasted 4 games or so with the Vikings before being let go and is now with
another team.
I think the odds suggest it's best to get one in the 7th if you must, or just wait for UFA and sign one then if going the inexperienced
route, otherwise look at the FA list and maybe make a play for one of those.

[RiverDog]

I'm not sure teams want to spend a mid to late pick on a Kicker these days with the failings of Arguayo (sp) and Carlson the last few years.
Maybe the very last round, but many of the kickers, no matter how good they kicked in College, have problems at the NFL level.
The Bucs drafted Arguayo in something like round 2 or 3. He hardly missed any Field Goals or Extra Points in college, but couldn't
couldn't get it through the uprights in the NFL. Carlson lasted 4 games or so with the Vikings before being let go and is now with
another team.
I think the odds suggest it's best to get one in the 7th if you must, or just wait for UFA and sign one then if going the inexperienced
route, otherwise look at the FA list and maybe make a play for one of those.

We don't even have a 6th or 7th round pick nor is it likely that we'll get any compensatory picks. And we don't have a 2nd round pick, either, making it more difficult to trade down, so it's very unlikely that we'll burn a pick on a kicker.

[c_hawkbob]

We don't even have a 6th or 7th round pick nor is it likely that we'll get any compensatory picks. And we don't have a 2nd round pick, either, making it more difficult to trade down, so it's very unlikely that we'll burn a pick on a kicker.

You should know better than that, it doesn't take much of a trade back to net a 6th or 7th rounder ... I'll be shocked if we're actually all done drafting before the final two rounds.

[RiverDog]

We don't even have a 6th or 7th round pick nor is it likely that we'll get any compensatory picks. And we don't have a 2nd round pick, either, making it more difficult to trade down, so it's very unlikely that we'll burn a pick on a kicker.

You should know better than that, it doesn't take much of a trade back to net a 6th or 7th rounder ... I'll be shocked if we're actually all done drafting before the final two rounds.

I realize that, but my point was more about our limits on our draft capital vs. whether or not we trade back. Perhaps I worded it wrong.

[NorthHawk]

I fully expect us to have 7 or 8 picks when it's all said and done. We rarely select at the designated spot in the 1st.
I think the history of Schneider is he's never had less than 7 selections, so he might break the pattern
this year, but it wouldn't surprise me if he didn't trade down 3 or 4 times and end up with 8.

[RiverDog]

I fully expect us to have 7 or 8 picks when it's all said and done. We rarely select at the designated spot in the 1st.
I think the history of Schneider is he's never had less than 7 selections, so he might break the pattern
this year, but it wouldn't surprise me if he didn't trade down 3 or 4 times and end up with 8.

It's probably better to start a thread about the draft, but my understanding is that this year's draft class is pretty thin, in which case it wouldn't be a great strategy to trade down.

But my point is that going into a draft with such skimpy capital that I doubt that we burn a pick on a kicker vs. increasing the odds that we hit on a good player in the lower rounds.

[NorthHawk]

This draft is heavy on Defensive Linemen and that’s what we really need for getting pressure on the QB and lessening the need for the DBs to cover longer. There are also some good LBs that might help.

[NorthHawk]

Apparently we brought in a bunch of Ficken Kickers before signing Sam to compete.

"Before signing kicker Sam Ficken yesterday, the Seahawks worked out a few other kickers. The team brought in Caleb Sturgis, Younghoe Koo, and Lirim Hajrullahua for workouts, according to veteran NFL reporter Howard Balzer (Twitter link). Koo was the Chargers’ kicker to open the 2017 season but was cut after a handful of games, while Sturgis was the Chargers’ kicker the first half of this season before being cut in favor of Michael Badgley. Hajrullahua has been in the CFL the last five years. Seattle’s interest in kickers suggests Sebastian Janikowski, who is a free agent this offseason, won’t be returning in 2019."

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2019/ ... s-workouts

[NorthHawk]

The Bears are trying out a bunch of kickers so Parkey will be on the open market.
I don't know if he's psychologically impacted after last year, or not, but I hope he's one of
those trying out to replace Seabass if the team is looking down the road and Parkey's got it
all behind him.

[RiverDog]

The Bears are trying out a bunch of kickers so Parkey will be on the open market.
I don't know if he's psychologically impacted after last year, or not, but I hope he's one of
those trying out to replace Seabass if the team is looking down the road and Parkey's got it
all behind him.

I'm not sure if I want Parkey even if he wins the competition. He sounds too much like Blair Walsh 2.0. There's no way to tell if he's been psychologically impacted or not until he gets into a situation where the game is on the line.

[NorthHawk]

Or he could be like Hauschka where he just picks up where he left off before a bad year.
Hitting 6 or 7 posts is just a freak season and I can't see that happening again for anyone.
I think he's worth a tryout at least.

[RiverDog]

Or he could be like Hauschka where he just picks up where he left off before a bad year.
Hitting 6 or 7 posts is just a freak season and I can't see that happening again for anyone.
I think he's worth a tryout at least.

The problem is that a tryout won't identify which kicker is more likely to make kicks under pressure and which one won't. It's like what Yogi Berra once said: "80% of the game is mental, and the other half is physical."

But we'll see. Finding a decent kicker is down the offseason wish list a bit.

[NorthHawk]

The Bears just signed a replacement.
There is pressure competing, knowing if you do well you might get a job, but
it’s different than facing a rushing Defensive player or a game winning FG.

[obiken]

But we'll see. Finding a decent kicker is down the offseason wish list a bit.

I never understood that River, how many playoff games come down to a FG or less, and teams still make it back burner material.

[RiverDog]

But we'll see. Finding a decent kicker is down the offseason wish list a bit.

I never understood that River, how many playoff games come down to a FG or less, and teams still make it back burner material.

My guess would be that because finding a decent kicker is such a crap shoot, a fact which helps explain why they aren't paid anymore than they are, there's no sense burning the limited resources teams have available on acquiring one. A strong college resume isn't much of a guarantee of success in the pros, nor are tryouts and preseason games. And even when you do find what you think is a good kicker, they can quickly fall off a cliff. Just take a look at Blair Walsh. In his first season with the Vikings, he was 10-10 in FG's over 50 yards, set a rookie record for FG's made, and was named first team All Pro.

[I-5]

You can't underestimate the importance of having an upper tier kicker...it has made the difference in our playoff fortunes (or lack thereof) the past 2 seasons. I'd be happy if they found someone worth spending a draft pick on. It worked out well last time.