RiverDog wrote:Holy cow, the grassy knoll crowd is out in full force this morning as social media is exploding with cries of foul play. The missed PI call in the Ram-Saints game and the phantom roughing the passer in the Pats-Chiefs game has ignited them. Some are suggesting that the fix was in because the league wanted to get people in LA buying Rams gear and help fill their new stadium when it opens.
I agree that the much talked about no PI call on 3rd down in the Saints-Rams game was horrible...and there was one that went in the Rams favor earlier in the game that was even worse. If there was a doubt, they should have thrown the flag then talked about it and picked it up if they felt differently. But I swear, some people imagine a villain lurking behind every corner of every building. Sometimes chit just happens.
I'll admit that the officiating was bad, but you just wait. Someone is going to propose that all penalties be reviewable. We might as well do away with refs and just have on field facilitators, allow every play to be meticulously analyzed by a committee with access to scores of replay angles.
NorthHawk wrote: And the defender didn't make contact with the face mask.
It doesn't get any worse than this.
but Jones forearm nicks Brady’s helmet on the way down
but Jones forearm nicks Brady’s helmet on the way down
c_hawkbob wrote:No it didn't, and that image is no where near evidence that it did. They replayed the hell out of that play last night and I'm completely confident there was no contact with Brady precious noggin.
NorthHawk wrote: And the defender didn't make contact with the face mask.
It doesn't get any worse than this.
mykc14 wrote:I don’t know if this image will work, but Jones forearm nicks Brady’s helmet on the way down- again, shouldn’t be a penalty, but he does ‘make contact’eoth the facemask.
http://a.espncdn.com/media/motion/2019/ ... ughing.jpg
RiverDog wrote:The conspiracy theories just don't pass the smell test. Did anyone ever consider what would happen if they actually did fix games and it was made public? It would destroy the game. The potential benefit does not outweigh the risk.
RiverDog wrote:The conspiracy theories just don't pass the smell test. Did anyone ever consider what would happen if they actually did fix games and it was made public? It would destroy the game. The potential benefit does not outweigh the risk.
EmeraldBullet wrote:Actually it would be completely legal for the nfl to instruct the refs to call things a certain way, for entertainment value (think WWE or whatever.) Not saying its what happened, but it absolutely could.
RiverDog wrote:And the defender didn't make contact with the face mask.
That photo illustrates exactly what I was talking about. The forearm just barely brushed the bottom bar of Brady's face mask. It was not a "blow to the head". The ref was in a bad position, and like CBS's rules analyst said, the ref should not be throwing a flag unless he actually sees the penalty being commited
c_hawkbob wrote:
No it didn't, and that image is no where near evidence that it did. They replayed the hell out of that play last night and I'm completely confident there was no contact with Brady precious noggin.
NorthHawk wrote:Florio on PFT has a suggestion that another referee in the booth should be added and he can buzz down to tell the Officials to pick up a flag or drop one if it's blatantly obvious.
They have to fix this issue. They can't continue with having the championship under a cloud of doubt.
Rambo2014 wrote:LOL The first thing a Seahawk fan does when they do not like the result is blame the refs!!! You guys over the yrs have stayed alive on bad calls.
As far as the "Hope its a PI" call that never occurred. The ball was at least 15 feet behind the defenders back and totally uncatchable making it a great non-call in a championship game.
Now go back to your fishing and basket weaving
NorthHawk wrote:I would have the same attitude if it happened to the Rams.
It casts a stink on an otherwise fun game to watch and is unbecoming of the NFL to have this happen.
Maybe they should have an asterisk beside both teams and for whomever wins.
obiken wrote:River I think the Pats would have crushed either one. Its the old Nightmare scenario for the Super Bowl: one teams just happy to be there and the other one expecting to win. 2 Weeks for Billicheck to tear apart film, and the Rams defense is not that great, I think Pats finally get the blowout SB win they have always wanted. I may not even watch, I do not like either team.
c_hawkbob wrote:I'd say I split the difference between you and the full on conspiracy theorists.
Extra Large taught me that individual refs are not above altering the outcomes of games for personal rooting interests, even if only doing so subconsciously, and the Tim Donaghy scandal (he was an NBA ref heavily involved with gambling) taught me they are not above altering the outcome of games for personal gain.
Not saying either happened, but neither am I discounting the possibility.
RiverDog wrote:The conspiracy theories just don't pass the smell test. Did anyone ever consider what would happen if they actually did fix games and it was made public? It would destroy the game. The potential benefit does not outweigh the risk.
RiverDog wrote:I've heard some say that they should make all penalties reviewable, at least in the last 2 minutes of the game. I strongly object to this proposal, but would like to see more communication with refs on the field and the replay officials so they could have some input on questionable calls. They tell them if they have a doubt about a fumble to let the play continue as they can always reverse the call later. IMO the same should be true with borderline penalties: Throw the flag as you can always pick it up later.
NorthHawk wrote:I think you have to keep some context.
Mistakes will always be made on "bang bang" type of plays, but really obvious ones like the Saints/Rams game should be automatically reviewed.
Check out this angle (hoping the copy works).
https://twitter.com/Alfonsovt/status/10 ... 72/video/1
That Referee is looking right at the play and is either purposely ignoring 2 fouls or is quite blind.
He should never, ever referee another NFL game.
If it wasn't a bang-bang play, it's damn close to being that. It wasn't like they'd been running for 20 yards and jostling for position. I do think that a viable defense for this one play and one referee is that particularly at the end of games, there's at at least some refs that don't want to become the center of attention and are very reluctant to throw a flag. So in a very small way, I can see an explanation for the ref's no call.
If it wasn't a bang-bang play, it's damn close to being that. It wasn't like they'd been running for 20 yards and jostling for position. I do think that a viable defense for this one play and one referee is that particularly at the end of games, there's at at least some refs that don't want to become the center of attention and are very reluctant to throw a flag. So in a very small way, I can see an explanation for the ref's no call.
NorthHawk wrote:You could speed up the replay and still see the Defender was early, it was that blatant. The helmet to the head is difficult to determine, though.
By not throwing the flag, that referee ended up becoming more of a center of attention than he would ever want to be.
Agent 86 wrote:I was a huge proponent of Instant Replay when it came into the league (officially in 1986 but the current system came to be in 1999 after the Testaverde phantom TD). This was because I thought the refs missed, or made, too many calls and IR would help fix the problem. I liked the idea of coach's being able to challenge certain plays.
But then they went and made all calls after the 2 minute warning, scoring plays, and turnovers automatically reviewable and a coach did not have to burn a challenge. I saw the turnover and scoring play rule good because it would protect the refs. They could let a play go and play out on a turnover knowing it could be reviewed and reversed if they were wrong. Yet I still see refs blowing calls, especially on turnovers, where they blow it down early, and have seen multiple times a Defense being robbed of a TD because of it. They have ultimately gotten the ball, but it was at the spot of where the INT or fumble recovery happened, because the ref blew it down.
Know what has happened to me? I used to jump around my house a bit on big Seahawks touchdowns, INT's, Fumble recoveries, etc...., fist pumping, yelling out F**k yeah. That passion inside me as a fan has been so de-sensitized by Instant Replay, I no longer do any of that. On any TD near the sidelines or back line, on any INT near the sidelines or a guy diving to the ground to get it, on any big reception where I am not sure he actually caught it, on any fumble recovery where the player might have been down,you get the point. I just say, "well, it's gonna go to IR, so I have to wait to cheer".
And by the time the ref looks at it and makes a decision, it's like 2-3 minutes after the fact and I really have lost the spontaneous urge to jump around like I would have at the moment of the play.
After 20 years, the reffing still sucks. Instant Replay has not helped them at all. And like I said, my passion on big plays that I know are close has been taken away from me.
I would be good if Instant Replay just disappeared, I don't want more criteria being added on. I would be happy to live the refs call on the field, knowing full well there will be a point in every single game where they get the call wrong at a critical time. They do it now anyways with IR in the game. And then my passion could return to where it used to be. After XL, I don't think anything could be worse.
All I do now is wait for the red flag to come down, or watch for the yellow "Flag" in the bottom corner of the TV, or the inevitable replay after every TD or turnover. Enough already! All 4 major sports refereeing is mostly bad given all the angles we now get at home. Do away with it, or give them just 1 challenge per game with no more automatic reviews after scoring, turnover, and under 2 minutes.
Aseahawkfan wrote:Refs did the Saints dirty to pump up an L.A. franchise to keep the California market in the Super Bowl. Call likely came from up on high if it is close, push it towards the Rams. Gotta hype up that L.A. market for long-term revenue.
Aseahawkfan wrote:Refs did the Saints dirty to pump up an L.A. franchise to keep the California market in the Super Bowl. Call likely came from up on high if it is close, push it towards the Rams. Gotta hype up that L.A. market for long-term revenue.
Hawktawk wrote:This right here. The new trick with nfl refs in postseason games is to call it even until near the end then make the call (or non call) to help sway the outcome . Witness hawks boys with 2 pi calls on the Dallas gw drive that were non existent compared to the travesty that was the end of the saints rams game.
As for Pats KC I think the ref just blew the call . China dolls like Brady and formerly manning always get those calls regardless of the game . And if Dee Ford wasn’t lined up offsides by 18 inches Kc’s in the bowl anyway which most of America and the nfl brass would have preferred . But yeah sometimes refs have an agenda. It’s reported the ref who swallowed the whistle on the pi no call has ties to the la area .
idhawkman wrote:I'm just happy that the Rams didn't benefit with a SB trophy from it.
I think it is absolutely despicable that the refs call games one way all year long and then pull this crap in the playoffs.
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