burrrton wrote:*That* makes sense to you??
Look, we know dmn little about this situation right now. At times like this, given sufficient effort and with a little embellishment and paying attention to the wrong "sources", you can concoct a million different "explanations" that will "fit".
For instance, I've never seen those badly photochopped images of the fake passport holders anywhere but conspiracy sites (and usually the same photo of the photos). The originals, at least that I saw, were only waist-up.
Do you *know* Interpol released those two images with the identical legs?
makena wrote:Aliens took the plane to populate the future... Didn't they make a movie about that?
Eaglehawk wrote:You should be thanking me Burr, I have given you additional information to blame conspiracy theorists.
But they make sense sometimes and this is one of them. The truth, Burr, is sometimes stranger than fiction. Start with having a critical mind. And turn off CNN, FOX and MSNBC.
burrrton wrote:*That* makes sense to you??
Look, we know dmn little about this situation right now. At times like this, given sufficient effort and with a little embellishment and paying attention to the wrong "sources", you can concoct a million different "explanations" that will "fit".
For instance, I've never seen those badly photochopped images of the fake passport holders anywhere but conspiracy sites (and usually the same photo of the photos). The originals, at least that I saw, were only waist-up.
Do you *know* Interpol released those two images with the identical legs?
Why were the legs photoshopped? No reason.
I'm sure that makes more sense to you now right?(Cause its from CNN, the world's leader in news.
In my mind its a highjacking or an intentional act by a pilot/pilots..
Start with having a critical mind.
burrrton wrote:Why were the legs photoshopped? No reason.
I'm asking you whether you're sure it was Interpol who released a 4th-grade level photochop hack job to the planet. Seems rather implausible to me, but I seem to be a bit more incredulous than you.
Seems as if the website said it was the original photo. Coming from where I don't care. But it was apparently released by Malaysian gvt officials.I'm sure that makes more sense to you now right?(Cause its from CNN, the world's leader in news.
Not more sense necessarily, and that's still just reporting Yet Another Idea About What Might Have Happened™, but yeah:
A. I find it a bit easier believe information from CNN than some conspiracy website. You *don't*??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_sJPh6nC8M
You believe CNN after you see how that reporter spun her report? Sorry, I USED to be like you and believe CNN. FOX and MSNBC. But now unless its a live story, where I can make up my own mind, I don't believe in either of the old media outlets anymore. None of them. And I pick and choose alternative media on the net.
This video sums up how I feel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGk5ioEXlIM
B. I find it a bit easier to believe hijacker(s) took a plane somewhere than some nefarious conspiracy. You *don't*??
I don't dismiss them as quickly as you do is all. Some I do dismiss. But I pay attention to everything because I seek truth. Some of the stuff out there makes you wonder. I certainly don't believe the drivel from the major media outlets. I pay attention to Sheriff Arapaio for example, not because I am a birther(I voted for Obama the first time, but he didn't fool me twice), but because I find facts interesting. Facts, I am interested in facts. I don't believe everything I hear, but I tend to want to get as much facts as possible before I make up my mind. So I go to the source and listen to CSPAN and hear Congressmen like Reid, and Rubio, and Paul give speeches. I then listen and make up my own mind. You can't write off everything that sounds outlandish as a "conspiracy" so quickly; unless of course you are sure that 1. Your government has never lied to you, 2. You feel that they have never fabricated reasons to go to war resulting in hundreds of military deaths. If you are sure of number 1 and 2. Then I can see your reluctance to believe those "nefarious" conspiracy theories.
Remember when Obama said he wash't going after your guns, and that is exactly what he is now doing? In fact if you are awake you would realize that our country might be on the verge of a civil war due to ridiculous gun laws passed in CT that has me more worried than the stuff about Russia I see on TV. But you will not hear a PEEP about this from CNN, FOX or MSNBC.
They passed a gun ban. 300,000 persons did not register cause they know that is the first step to confiscation, and now the police are threatening to go door to door to physically take people's guns. HAHA. I wonder how that will play out Burr? Can you see us fighting with Russia or posturing with them(formally called a diversion), while the CT police start a war with the American people trying to arrest thousands of legal gun owners in CT and Obama suspends the constitution because of the members of the NRA and GOA? Sounds ridiculous? Obama loves Lincoln. Lincoln suspended the constitution. Could it happen again? I hope it doesn't but could it? The answer is yes.In my mind its a highjacking or an intentional act by a pilot/pilots..
Agreed. Isn't that at odds with the conspiracy theory you linked? Maybe I missed something...If I mentioned that I actually believed that theory you would be right. But I am listening to every side before I make up my mind.Start with having a critical mind.
I contend that I do- generally, a critical mind means extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence- but it seems you're taking me to task for it.
savvyman wrote:http://live.wsj.com/video/malaysia-air-mh370-possible-sabotage-explained/400DDBCB-1219-46AB-8D94-B125B9349AF8.html
Since the people aboard the plane took action to make the plane invisible and then flew it for several more hours - best guess is that the plane was hijacked and that the hijackers had an intended destination for where they were taking the plane and passengers. More than likely the plane did not reach that destination. You would have to assume that the passengers knew something was wrong because if you were on a plane that was still flying hours after you were supposed to land then it would be obvious that something was wrong.
Eaglehawk wrote:savvyman wrote:http://live.wsj.com/video/malaysia-air-mh370-possible-sabotage-explained/400DDBCB-1219-46AB-8D94-B125B9349AF8.html
Since the people aboard the plane took action to make the plane invisible and then flew it for several more hours - best guess is that the plane was hijacked and that the hijackers had an intended destination for where they were taking the plane and passengers. More than likely the plane did not reach that destination. You would have to assume that the passengers knew something was wrong because if you were on a plane that was still flying hours after you were supposed to land then it would be obvious that something was wrong.
I would have called my loved ones on my cell phone if I knew. But NOONE CALLED.
What does that tell you?
It's my firm conviction that the Malaysian government is complicit in this horrific travesty.
burrrton wrote:It's my firm conviction that the Malaysian government is complicit in this horrific travesty.
I think rather than covering for random, anonymous, murderous intent, which I find difficult to believe, I think they were just covering for incompetence, which I find very easy to believe.
burrrton wrote:It's my firm conviction that the Malaysian government is complicit in this horrific travesty.
I think rather than covering for random, anonymous, murderous intent, which I find difficult to believe, I think they were just covering for incompetence, which I find very easy to believe.
To them, the end justifies the means: a credo that is the tell-tale mark of extremism.
Seahawks4Ever wrote:My first inclination was that it was a pilot and/or co-pilot suicide plane take over and crash. I even thought that which ever one did it purposely flew the plane far out in to the Indian Ocean so that his murder/suicide would be very hard to prove because he didn't want to appear to be going against his Muslim teachings and have his family lose face.
But then I listened to several current and retired pilots many of whom actually flew the 777 and similar planes. Most of them seemed to believe that the pilots were working their arse off to the last minute trying to save the plane and the lives of everyone on board until they past out and they were just too busy before hand to radio that they were in trouble. I didn't believe that scenario when I first heard it, sounded too much like pilots sticking up for fellow pilots.
Then I heard how there had been 200 hundred kilograms of those lithium batteries, the same batteries that are in lap top computers and I-Pods and such. Those have been known to catch fire spontaneously and have caused other catastrophic fires in airplanes including two UPS 747's. One of those fires killed the whole crew and crashed the plane. Malaysian Airlines stated emphatically that the batteries were loaded and packed away very safely. But we all know that many companies including airlines that have claimed to follow safety rules yet ignored them. The plane that had a bunch of oxygen tanks in their cargo compartment comes to mind. That airline ignored the safety rules, then lied about it. The plane caught fire and I believe crashed killing all aboard.
Anyway, I think that there is a strong possibility that those lithium batteries caught fire and maybe knocked out avionics systems that gave the false impression that a human "turned off" the transponder and the ACARS system. The ACARS System though is located down a stairwell from a hatch that is in the forward Galley. Someone would have had to open that hatch, go down the ladder, then manually pull the ACARS circuit breaker. Wouldn't the flight attendants who would have been serving dinner to the 1st. class passengers witnessed this? Wouldn't this have raised questions? I understand that passengers in the 1st. class section could have easily seen one of the pilots open that hatch, wouldn't one of them had questions and maybe got on their cell phone at that point???
A more logical explanation is this, there was a fire, but maybe a smoldering fire in that avionics room. It turns out that the circuit breaker for the ACARS System is RIGHT NEXT to the circuit breaker to the Transponder on one side and RIGHT NEXT to the Pilot and Passenger oxygen life support system on the other. I believe that that fire took out one system after another possibly even the pilots radios. They could have even lost power to their cockpit avionics displays just like a Swiss Air disaster where a plane caught fire and the crew lost all of their instruments including the Horizon and couldn't tell what the attitude of their plane was. The pilot thought he had to dump fuel because he had had a full tank and it was believed at the time that such a plane would be too heavy to hold structural integrity and would break up even if it was making a regular airport landing. They know better now and pilots are told that in the event of a fire not to worry about dumping fuel just get the plane on the ground.
I think that the Malaysian pilots were over come by smoke and noxious fumes and that their oxygen system failed them. Their last act after struggling with the plane was to put it on auto pilot. I believe that the passengers and the rest of the crew were over come the same way. I believe that this was a "ghost plane" for much of its flight and give it up to BOEING to build a plane that can keep a plane flying in almost all conditions. Many a B-17's made it back to base after being all shot up in WWII, the Boeing legend flies on.
OK, that city pride thing out of the way, all new airplanes including those made by Airbus and other companies are made to "balance" themselves out and have many "compensating" systems that may have kept this plane in the air until the fuel ran out. As with ALL theories this one has holes but maybe, hopefully when the so-called black boxes are found there will be answers to the riddles and mysteries. OR, this will go down with Amelia Earhart and other aeronautic mysteries that are NEVER figured out. Gee, I hope not.
Same reason as to why you can't fly a 757 into the Pentagon without a debris field. Impossible.
Very little debris field for a plane that size hitting the Pentagon.
I'll stay awake. Thank you. You keep sleeping.
RiverDog wrote:"My problem is that it can't be in the ocean with no debris field."
It's not impossible for an airliner the size of a 777 to crash in the ocean without a trace. It took two years to find the wreckage of an Air France jet that crashed into the Atlantic Ocean in 2009, and they knew to a lot more precise location where that one went down than they did with MA370. And although damn few jets have crashed without a trace, it is not unprecedented. You also have to keep in mind that the South Indian Ocean is perhaps one of the most remote locations in the world, with very little shipping or other maritime traffic, very few radar and satellite monitoring, and that the search did not even get into the right ocean for nearly two weeks. It is quite plausible that they may never find the tiniest scrap of wreckage in our lifetimes.
There's a lot of unanswered questions and downright mysteries as to the disappearance of this jet, but the failure to find any debris is not one of them. Failing to find the debris field is the most explainable part of this puzzle.
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