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Re: Playoffs

Postby jshawaii22 » Sat Jan 02, 2021 12:42 am

If he's really 'positive' and not just a 'contact trace' he'll also miss at least the Wild Card game and could be a lot more. Ten days of negative testing after it's run it's course in your body.
Some players have missed a month or more. It's not good.
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Re: Playoffs

Postby RiverDog » Sat Jan 02, 2021 5:01 am

jshawaii22 wrote:If he's really 'positive' and not just a 'contact trace' he'll also miss at least the Wild Card game and could be a lot more. Ten days of negative testing after it's run it's course in your body.
Some players have missed a month or more. It's not good.


The #2 seed isn't a big enough plum to justify putting our key players at risk IMO. But combined with the Packers losing one of their bookends it does increases our chances somewhat and is probably worth it to pull out the stops in the first half and keep an eye on the scoreboard.
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Re: Playoffs

Postby NorthHawk » Sat Jan 02, 2021 7:23 am

According to PFT, Kamara tested positive twice, so he won't be available this week and maybe next week, too.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... -covid-19/
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Re: Playoffs

Postby Hawktawk » Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:46 am

Klanky wrote:Saints Kamara test positive for COVID, that could be a huge loss for Sunday when they need to win or slide to #3 , that’s assuming Seahawks take care of business, then would jump to #2 seed, so who knows

Yes this is huge. The Offense runs through him. You hate to see it just like Bakhtiari from the Pack tearing his ACL. Arguably the best left tackle, the highest paid O lineman in the league. No way is some kid coming off the bench and playing like that dude. Regardless seattle limped home last year with a creaky Beast our only back. Its a tough biz.
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Re: Playoffs

Postby mykc14 » Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:51 am

RiverDog wrote:The #2 seed isn't a big enough plum to justify putting our key players at risk IMO. .



Although it is not as big of an advantage as in years past it is still a pretty big carrot. It’s pretty simple would you rather play at NO or Lambeau or at home in the second round? Would you rather play the Cards (or possibly Chicago)or the Rams or Bucks in the first round? I know the answer is obvious and you’ve taken that into account in your assessment. There’s no doubt losing RW, DK, Adams, Bobby, etc would be worse than play that second game on the road but IMO there is still plenty to play for and that’s not even discussing the fact that our offensive flow still isn’t where it needs to be. I do think you are as smart as you can be with your guys, though and I would want to try and get up big early- maybe allow Russ to take some chances early. We’ll see, like you said the news out of NO and GB hasn’t been that great this week so the chances of getting that #1 seed are slim... not great but better today than on Monday.
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Re: Playoffs

Postby RiverDog » Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:28 am

mykc14 wrote:Although it is not as big of an advantage as in years past it is still a pretty big carrot. It’s pretty simple would you rather play at NO or Lambeau or at home in the second round? Would you rather play the Cards (or possibly Chicago)or the Rams or Bucks in the first round? I know the answer is obvious and you’ve taken that into account in your assessment. There’s no doubt losing RW, DK, Adams, Bobby, etc would be worse than play that second game on the road but IMO there is still plenty to play for and that’s not even discussing the fact that our offensive flow still isn’t where it needs to be. I do think you are as smart as you can be with your guys, though and I would want to try and get up big early- maybe allow Russ to take some chances early. We’ll see, like you said the news out of NO and GB hasn’t been that great this week so the chances of getting that #1 seed are slim... not great but better today than on Monday.


I'm not too worried about playing the Saints in an empty dome. In the past, Russell hasn't played all that well in bad weather so it's possible that we would have a better chance of winning there than in an open air stadium on a miserable day in Seattle. Besides, the Saints could lose in the first round, which would give us a 2nd home game anyway.

Nor does Lambeau scare the Dickens out of me. Obviously I'd rather play them at home vs. the frozen tundra, but we actually played a pretty decent game against them there last year in January, and we were in a lot worse shape then than we are now. Neither location is a death sentence.

As far as a 2 or a 3 seed determining who we're going to face in the first round, it could be one of 3 different teams regardless of whether we win or lose. It's a no never mind.

Like I said, I'd play as usual in the first half and keep an eye on the scoreboard. If either the Packers or the Saints are up big, I'd start giving some guys that are nursing injuries some rest, do what I can to keep Russell off the firing line, let Geno take some snaps.
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Re: Playoffs

Postby obiken » Sat Jan 02, 2021 12:35 pm

I think we beat the Niners in a one point game. The Panthers could very well beat the Saints, and with GB losing their starting left Tackle, the Bears game could be tough so who knows. If I were PC I would bench RW, C. Dunlap, BW, JA, and Chris Carson, give those boys a chance to heal, but thats just me.
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Re: Playoffs

Postby RiverDog » Sat Jan 02, 2021 2:37 pm

NorthHawk wrote:According to PFT, Kamara tested positive twice, so he won't be available this week and maybe next week, too.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... -covid-19/


It's not just Kamara that will be unavailable tomorrow, every running back on the Saints roster is out due to COVID protocol:

The New Orleans Saints are going to have to get creative with Taysom Hill in Week 17. Every single running back on the team’s active roster has been ruled out of Sunday’s contest as a result of Alvin Kamara being placed on the COVID-19/reserve list, according to Jay Glazer of Fox.

Every running back on the Saints’ roster is considered a close contact with Kamara. Because of that, Latavius Murray, Dwayne Washington and Michael Burton — and potentially others — will miss Sunday’s game against the Carolina Panthers.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/sa ... d=msedgntp
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Re: Playoffs

Postby Hawktawk » Sat Jan 02, 2021 3:29 pm

I dont have link but there are photos circulating I have seen that show Kamura maskless with some women in a club. If these are real current photos he's really let his team down.
In other news Hyde did not travel due to "non covid related illness".
That sucks because he was really becoming part of the rotation.
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Re: Playoffs

Postby RiverDog » Sat Jan 02, 2021 3:46 pm

Hawktawk wrote:I dont have link but there are photos circulating I have seen that show Kamura maskless with some women in a club. If these are real current photos he's really let his team down.
In other news Hyde did not travel due to "non covid related illness".
That sucks because he was really becoming part of the rotation.


Brandon Shell and Damorious Randall landed on the COVID list and won't play tomorrow:

https://www.si.com/nfl/seahawks/news/se ... serve-list
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Re: Playoffs

Postby Uppercut » Sat Jan 02, 2021 4:44 pm

With the Covid PC better keep the team in chains for the next month. I always thought the team that manages covid the best has a good shot at the SB
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Re: Playoffs

Postby jshawaii22 » Sat Jan 02, 2021 7:56 pm

Tre Flowers back from IR, just re-signed Penny Hart, former Seahawk, now new Seahawk Alex Collins and former 49'er Alex Boone all promoted to the game day roster. Coach Pete said that Brandon Shell did not turn a positive but they put him on NFL Covid List as a precaution. If he has 5 negatives, he can return to the 53. All limits on personnel movements to and from practice squad have been removed by NFL to the end of the season.
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Re: Playoffs

Postby c_hawkbob » Sat Jan 02, 2021 8:26 pm

RiverDog wrote:Brandon Shell and Damorious Randall landed on the COVID list and won't play tomorrow:

https://www.si.com/nfl/seahawks/news/se ... serve-list

How much of that is Pete using the Covid list as a second IR I wonder.
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Re: Playoffs

Postby jshawaii22 » Sat Jan 02, 2021 8:32 pm

that's classic and sounds more like the Captain Belichick then Pete.
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Re: Playoffs

Postby RiverDog » Sun Jan 03, 2021 5:01 am

RiverDog wrote:Brandon Shell and Damorious Randall landed on the COVID list and won't play tomorrow:

https://www.si.com/nfl/seahawks/news/se ... serve-list


c_hawkbob wrote:How much of that is Pete using the Covid list as a second IR I wonder.


I think that's exactly what's happening here. Shell is still not 100% and stands the chance of re-injuring his ankle so why play him in what is likely to be a meaningless game? I also think that Hyde's going on the inactive list is part of Pete giving some players nursing injuries a much needed break.

Greg Olsen is taking the day off, too.
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Re: Playoffs

Postby jshawaii22 » Sun Jan 03, 2021 5:16 pm

Looks like we play the Rams again. With another b/u QB I've never heard of until watching Red Zone today. So it's the Rams coming to town. Never count out any team that has Aaron Donald and his crew.
Russell needs to play 4 quarters like the 4th today.
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Re: Playoffs

Postby trents » Sun Jan 03, 2021 5:41 pm

Hawks classic today against niners. Wait until the end of the game to start playing. You could just see the energy and crispness of execution pick up after they got behind in the fourth quarter. Oh, well. A win is a win and I feel much better about that than closing the regular season on a loss.
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Re: Playoffs

Postby Hawktawk » Sun Jan 03, 2021 5:50 pm

With our offense first 3 quarters for 4 quarters we beat no team .
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Re: Playoffs

Postby Rambo2014 » Sun Jan 03, 2021 6:00 pm

What a display of nothing by the Hawks

We beat your team bad next week LOLOLOL

Rams 34 Sea 13
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Re: Playoffs

Postby TriCitySam » Sun Jan 03, 2021 6:10 pm

Hawktawk wrote:With our offense first 3 quarters for 4 quarters we beat no team .


Conservative game plan and a good D.
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Re: Playoffs

Postby obiken » Sun Jan 03, 2021 6:21 pm

I think that's exactly what's happening here. Shell is still not 100% and stands the chance of re-injuring his ankle so why play him in what is likely to be a meaningless game? I also think that Hyde's going on the inactive list is part of Pete giving some players nursing injuries a much needed break.

Greg Olsen is taking the day off, too.
And I told you to hold out Jamal Adams, Carson, Dunlap, and Wilson, but you didnt listen to me, now Adams is done for the season. This is your fault River! :D
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Re: Playoffs

Postby trents » Sun Jan 03, 2021 6:48 pm

Do we really know yet what is the injury to Adams? The hit he took to the back of the shoulder looked innocuous to me. I would never have expected an injury to come out of that. But many times that's the way it is. Nothing particularly discernable that winds up in a big injury. Clavicle dislocation maybe or scapula fracture? Maybe just a bruise or a stinger.
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Re: Playoffs

Postby obiken » Sun Jan 03, 2021 7:13 pm

trents wrote:Do we really know yet what is the injury to Adams? The hit he took to the back of the shoulder looked innocuous to me. I would never have expected an injury to come out of that. But many times that's the way it is. Nothing particularly discernable that winds up in a big injury. Clavicle dislocation maybe or scapula fracture? Maybe just a bruise or a stinger.



No, did you see his face? Its flat out serious. I think he is done, I hope I am wrong!
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Re: Playoffs

Postby RiverDog » Sun Jan 03, 2021 7:53 pm

I think that's exactly what's happening here. Shell is still not 100% and stands the chance of re-injuring his ankle so why play him in what is likely to be a meaningless game? I also think that Hyde's going on the inactive list is part of Pete giving some players nursing injuries a much needed break.

Greg Olsen is taking the day off, too.


obiken wrote:And I told you to hold out Jamal Adams, Carson, Dunlap, and Wilson, but you didnt listen to me, now Adams is done for the season. This is your fault River! :D


Where did you hear that Adams was done for the season? The latest I saw was that Pete said that he was expected to play against the Rams.

And FYI, I was the one advocating that we rest key players if it became apparent that the Packers and/or the Saints looked like they would win.
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Re: Playoffs

Postby c_hawkbob » Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:25 pm

trents wrote:Do we really know yet what is the injury to Adams? The hit he took to the back of the shoulder looked innocuous to me. I would never have expected an injury to come out of that. But many times that's the way it is. Nothing particularly discernable that winds up in a big injury. Clavicle dislocation maybe or scapula fracture? Maybe just a bruise or a stinger.


obiken wrote:No, did you see his face? Its flat out serious. I think he is done, I hope I am wrong!

I've broken my acromion (the A in A/C joint) and tore my supraspinatus in the same injury and thought I'd be fine. I've also had a shoulder stinger and thought I'd have to have immediate surgery. I don't think how he felt about the injury is conclusive. Let's see what the pictures show.
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Re: Playoffs

Postby obiken » Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:48 pm

Where did you hear that Adams was done for the season? The latest I saw was that Pete said that he was expected to play against the Rams.

And FYI, I was the one advocating that we rest key players if it became apparent that the Packers and/or the Saints looked like they would win.


Sorry bud, my bad! I just think playing Jamal and Carson the risk outweighed the benefits.
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Re: Playoffs

Postby trents » Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:54 pm

What about the blood coming out of Carson's ear hole? That was weird! Did his ear ring get shoved up in there or something?
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Re: Playoffs

Postby Aseahawkfan » Sun Jan 03, 2021 10:05 pm

We'll know about Adams soon enough.
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Re: Playoffs

Postby RiverDog » Mon Jan 04, 2021 5:23 am

Where did you hear that Adams was done for the season? The latest I saw was that Pete said that he was expected to play against the Rams.

And FYI, I was the one advocating that we rest key players if it became apparent that the Packers and/or the Saints looked like they would win.


obiken wrote:Sorry bud, my bad! I just think playing Jamal and Carson the risk outweighed the benefits.


I can't find any information on Carson so what ever injury he suffered yesterday, in must not be serious. The preliminary report on Adams is that he's expected to start next week. Penny had a leg strain but it appears to be minor. The most serious seems to be that of Jarran Reed, but that's not clear, either. He didn't leave the game immediately after sustaining the injury so hopefully it's not too serious.

https://www.seahawks.com/news/seahawks- ... arran-reed

They did limit Carson's touches. He had just 13 yesterday even though Hyde wasn't available. He had 19 touches the previous week when he was sharing snaps with Penny and Hyde.

Adams never missed a start playing at a high level at LSU and missed two starts in 3 years with the Jets due to injury (ankle). He's been back for nearly 2 months, playing between 80%-100% defensive snaps in every game since then. The injury he suffered yesterday (shoulder) was unrelated to the injury issue he had two months ago (groin). I'm not sure how much I would have limited him.

The only thing that I can honestly say is that I would have thought about starting Geno in the 2nd half, but our offense was clearly out of sync and Russell and the others needed the work, and at halftime, the Packers and Saints were still in close games so the first round bye was still in play so at that point, it wasn't meaningless.

We're playing Monday morning quarterback with these injuries.
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Re: Playoffs

Postby NorthHawk » Mon Jan 04, 2021 8:00 am

Pete doesn't believe in resting players going into the playoffs. He thinks they lose that winning edge or whatever the expression is.
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Re: Playoffs

Postby RiverDog » Mon Jan 04, 2021 8:47 am

NorthHawk wrote:Pete doesn't believe in resting players going into the playoffs. He thinks they lose that winning edge or whatever the expression is.


He did seem to pull back on the throttle a little bit, though. Shell was put on the COVID list, perhaps unnecessarily, Olsen and Iupati were held out, Hyde was "sick all week", and Carson's touches appeared limited when you consider that Hyde wasn't available.

There were a couple of other teams that employed a different strategy. The Chiefs and Steelers both sat their QB's.
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