JJ Watt to Cards

[obiken]

JJ Watt, just signed with the Cardinals, two years 31 mill, this is strictly a money move, this makes no sense otherwise. Cards are at least 2-3 years away from being a real bona fide contender.

[RiverDog]

JJ Watt, just signed with the Cardinals, two years 31 mill, this is strictly a money move, this makes no sense otherwise. Cards are at least 2-3 years away from being a real bona fide contender.

I'm not so sure that the Cards are that far away from being a contender. They were 8-8 last season with 5 of those losses being by a TD or less, barely missed the playoffs, and will be playing a 3rd place schedule next season. If Watt stays healthy, he could cause offenses real problems.

[obiken]

I'm not so sure that the Cards are that far away from being a contender. They were 8-8 last season with 5 of those losses being by a TD or less, barely missed the playoffs, and will be playing a 3rd place schedule next season. If Watt stays healthy, he could cause offenses real problems.

Sure, not only that River, you have Chandler Jones as well! I am shocked that the Packers didnt make a bigger move for him. However, at 15 million a year, thats a lot of moola for a defensive player.

[Rambo2014]

Upheaval across the NFC west and Seahawks just sit and play their fiddles

Prediction for 2021 season NFC West 17 game season

Rams 14-3
Arz 12-5
SF 11-6
Sea 8-9

[Aseahawkfan]

The Cardinals? strange.

[NorthHawk]

It does seem a bit strange, but maybe it was the most money and perhaps he wanted it to be done quickly.

We sure are the weak sisters along the LoS now in the NFC West. All 3 other teams have better personnel than us.
With Watt’s injury history they are taking on a bit of a gamble, though but if he stays healthy they could be a lot tougher
to both pass and run on.

[obiken]

It does seem a bit strange, but maybe it was the most money and perhaps he wanted it to be done quickly.
We sure are the weak sisters along the LoS now in the NFC West. All 3 other teams have better personnel than us.
With Watt’s injury history they are taking on a bit of a gamble, though but if he stays healthy they could be a lot tougher
to both pass and run on.

Had to be a money thing, and his connection with Hopkins. IF he stays healthy and plays like last year he will be a big problem, especially in a 4-3.

[Aseahawkfan]

If we can keep Dunlap, we at least have a solid piece on the D-line. We need to spend some draft capital on the lines this year for sure.

[c_hawkbob]

JJ's tired of being doubled and tripled every play, in 'Zona he's bookending the line the only player in the league that has more sacks since he came into the league than himself in Chandler Jones.

[RiverDog]

JJ's tired of being doubled and tripled every play, in 'Zona he's bookending the line the only player in the league that has more sacks since he came into the league than himself in Chandler Jones.

Which is what could make the Cards defense a force to be reckoned with. Teams aren't going to be able to double team both Watt and Jones, so the two could complement each other. JJ isn't the player he once was, but paired with Jones he could have a real impact if he can stay healthy.

This will be Year 3 of the Cardinals rebuild under Kingsbury. Although I don't think they should be considered favorites, this move could make our division even tougher.

[c_hawkbob]

Which is what could make the Cards defense a force to be reckoned with. Teams aren't going to be able to double team both Watt and Jones, so the two could complement each other. JJ isn't the player he once was, but paired with Jones he could have a real impact if he can stay healthy.

Exactly my point.

[RiverDog]

Just in case anyone is still questioning what a stable QB situation can do to help attract free agents, here's what JJ Watt tweeted yesterday:

"I'm here because of you (Kyler Murray)"

https://twitter.com/SInow/status/136690 ... 2_34252685

[Aseahawkfan]

Just in case anyone is still questioning what a stable QB situation can do to help attract free agents, here's what JJ Watt tweeted yesterday:

"I'm here because of you (Kyler Murray)"

https://twitter.com/SInow/status/136690 ... 2_34252685

What are you even talking about. Kyler Murray isn't even that good. The leaps of logic you make are not even remotely true.

Watt chose Arizona for the money and sun. And you're trying to extrapolate this as him choosing Arizona because of a stable QB situation for a team that didn't even make the playoffs the past 2 years?

Are you trying to prove J.J. Watt is dumb?

[RiverDog]

What are you even talking about. Kyler Murray isn't even that good. The leaps of logic you make are not even remotely true.

Watt chose Arizona for the money and sun. And you're trying to extrapolate this as him choosing Arizona because of a stable QB situation for a team that didn't even make the playoffs the past 2 years?

Are you trying to prove J.J. Watt is dumb?

You need to direct your criticism to JJ Watt. He's the one that said that Kyler Murray is "the reason I'm here". I'm simply repeating what Watt said.

As far as Murray being "not that gootd", it's open for debate. Murray was the Offensive Rookie of the Year in 2019 and posted some very respectable numbers in 2020. It's not unreasonable to think that he's a rising star.

[Aseahawkfan]

You need to direct your criticism to JJ Watt. He's the one that said that Kyler Murray is "the reason I'm here". I'm simply repeating what Watt said.

As far as Murray being "not that gootd", it's open for debate. Murray was the Offensive Rookie of the Year in 2019 and posted some very respectable numbers in 2020. It's not unreasonable to think that he's a rising star.

There are plenty of teams closer than Arizona to competing for a Super Bowl.

I take offense at your stable QB situation talk. It had nothing to do with J.J. Watt's decision. We've had plenty of players willing to come to Seattle in free agency or trades.

We're coming off a division win and 12-4 season. They're coming off 8-8 and watching the playoffs from the couch.

Kyler Murray threw 26 TDs to 12 ints, way worse than Russell. Yet somehow he's the up and comer they're looking to join? Sorry, not buying it.

[RiverDog]

There are plenty of teams closer than Arizona to competing for a Super Bowl.

I take offense at your stable QB situation talk. It had nothing to do with J.J. Watt's decision. We've had plenty of players willing to come to Seattle in free agency or trades.

We're coming off a division win and 12-4 season. They're coming off 8-8 and watching the playoffs from the couch.

Kyler Murray threw 26 TDs to 12 ints, way worse than Russell. Yet somehow he's the up and comer they're looking to join? Sorry, not buying it.

My statement was in response to Obi's claim that the Cards are "at least 2-3 years away from being a real bona fide contender.". That's a really long time in the NFL. I don't think they are a top 5 contender, but their 8-8 record alone deserves some consideration as a team that could be on the verge of a breakout season. The Browns, for example, went from 6-10 to 11-5. A 3 or 4 game improvement for a team like the Cards of whom will be playing a 3rd place schedule isn't that outrageous.

Watt's own statement refutes your claim that a stable QB situation, ie Murray, had nothing to do with his decision. You're going to have to reconcile your claim with that statement before you can get me to believe your assertation.

As far as Murray himself goes, his performance statistically was roughly middle of the road. He wasn't top 10 and won't be mentioned in the same breath as Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson, but performed better than a number of QB's his age, like Daniel Jones, Joe Burrow, and Mitch Turbisky, and roughly the same as ROY Justin Hebert. He's top 5 of the younger QB's with 3 years or less experience.

[Aseahawkfan]

My statement was in response to Obi's claim that the Cards are "at least 2-3 years away from being a real bona fide contender.". That's a really long time in the NFL. I don't think they are a top 5 contender, but their 8-8 record alone deserves some consideration as a team that could be on the verge of a breakout season. The Browns, for example, went from 6-10 to 11-5. A 3 or 4 game improvement for a team like the Cards of whom will be playing a 3rd place schedule isn't that outrageous.

Watt's own statement refutes your claim that a stable QB situation, ie Murray, had nothing to do with his decision. You're going to have to reconcile your claim with that statement before you can get me to believe your assertation.

As far as Murray himself goes, his performance statistically was roughly middle of the road. He wasn't top 10 and won't be mentioned in the same breath as Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson, but performed better than a number of QB's his age, like Daniel Jones, Joe Burrow, and Mitch Turbisky, and roughly the same as ROY Justin Hebert. He's top 5 of the younger QB's with 3 years or less experience.

I don't care about getting you to believe anything. You buy into a position and hold onto it regardless of reality. You've done this so often I just chalk it up as an aspect of your personality. Nothing in J.J. Watt's statement made him go to Arizona because of a stable QB situation. Why you think a player like J.J. Watt building up the team QB with a useless statement is somehow a reflection of a stable QB situation, I don't know. More Riverdog spinning his own ideas up as they come into his head.

I could just as easily have said something equally ridiculous like Carlos Dunlap came to Seattle because of Russell Wilson because he's such a good QB. But it would be equal horse puckey.

The reality is players go to teams for a variety of reasons. They rah rah it up like they're their for some special reason to pump up the fans. But the reality is they are there because the money and environment fits what they want at a given time or the trade choice was right for them at a given time. That's it. Not like Watt was taking a pay cut to go there. When I see a guy take a pay cut to go to a team competing for a ring like what used to happen to the Patriots, that's a guy who wants a championship. We probably would have been that team if we hadn't lost that second Super Bowl.

It is what it is. J.J. Watt is Arizona. We'll see if he is the good J.J. for a season or the broken one.

[NorthHawk]

Murray was one of the reasons he went to Arizona but not necessarily the major reason.

Watt said that the decision to pick the Cardinals was “certainly close” and pointed to various reasons why the team was appealing to him. Watt said they have a “young, extremely talented quarterback” in Kyler Murray who he believes can take another step forward in his third season and noted the presence of players like safety Budda Baker and edge rusher Chandler Jones on defense.

That’s a quote from PFT after he signed. He’s also reunited with a defensive coach he had earlier in his career.

[RiverDog]

Murray was one of the reasons he went to Arizona but not necessarily the major reason.

Watt said that the decision to pick the Cardinals was “certainly close” and pointed to various reasons why the team was appealing to him. Watt said they have a “young, extremely talented quarterback” in Kyler Murray who he believes can take another step forward in his third season and noted the presence of players like safety Budda Baker and edge rusher Chandler Jones on defense.

That’s a quote from PFT after he signed. He’s also reunited with a defensive coach he had earlier in his career.

Thanks, North Hawk. No one ever said that Murray was the only reason, just one of several.

Watt is also re-uniting with another former Texan in DeAndre Hopkins. I'm sure that seeing some familiar faces helped him with his decision.