Here we go with Jamal Adams

[obiken]

They should have never made that trade knowing this guy is all about the money and not about winning. Better he stayed with a loser waiting to get paid than play for a winner with people who understand breaking the bank leads to a bad team.

My issue was giving up 2 First rounders for him! One I could have handled but 2, come on, especially for a safety, the Jets saw us coming! Now Brown wants his dough at the worse possible time. I don't see them holding out the whole season, but as you know ASHF, I been wrong before!

[RiverDog]

They should have never made that trade knowing this guy is all about the money and not about winning. Better he stayed with a loser waiting to get paid than play for a winner with people who understand breaking the bank leads to a bad team.

My issue was giving up 2 First rounders for him! One I could have handled but 2, come on, especially for a safety, the Jets saw us coming! Now Brown wants his dough at the worse possible time. I don't see them holding out the whole season, but as you know ASHF, I been wrong before!

I'm beginning to agree, although I still want to give this a little more time to play out. If Adams isn't in the starting lineup this September because of his contract situation, then I'll join you. It's hard to believe that Pete/John would give up that much without a clear understanding of the parameters of a new contract. This has the potential to be one of the worst trades in franchise history.

[NorthHawk]

If they had the parameters of a contract in place when trading for him, they would be much closer to an agreement than they are today.
I think it will be the worst trade in Seahawks history considering it's just an upgrade of a solid but unspectacular Safety group.

It seems like they don't have a plan or if they do they aren't following it very well. They knew Duane Brown was on the last year of his contract and
would want more, and they know that next year DK Metcalf is eligible for renegotiating his contract and they knew they were already tight against
the Cap. It's just an odd trade to make giving away the 3 future picks (2 firsts and a third) to put themselves harder against the Cap and limit
their ability to get cheap talent to lessen the Cap hit. And I think it's even worse if you consider the Jets weren't happy with Adams and wanted
to send him to another team. In my book, even if Adams is a perennial All Pro, it was a bad trade given the circumstances.

What I worry about with Adams and Brown is they don't get enough practice time to really be ready and suffer from pulls and strains all year when
they finally get on the field. It seems that holdouts (with a few exceptions like Walt) often suffer nagging injuries if they don't get in the reps
in TC before the season starts.

[RiverDog]

If they had the parameters of a contract in place when trading for him, they would be much closer to an agreement than they are today. I think it will be the worst trade in Seahawks history considering it's just an upgrade of a solid but unspectacular Safety group.

I agree. Despite his pass rushing skills, we didn't have as great of a need for a safety as we did a hand in the dirt pass rusher. If it fails, it will be the worst trade in the Pete Carroll era, and I'm having a hard time thinking of a worse trade in our franchise history. Plenty of busted draft choices, but not many skunks of a trade. It will make the Percy Harvin deal look like a stroke of genius.

It seems like they don't have a plan or if they do they aren't following it very well. They knew Duane Brown was on the last year of his contract and would want more, and they know that next year DK Metcalf is eligible for renegotiating his contract and they knew they were already tight against the Cap. It's just an odd trade to make giving away the 3 future picks (2 firsts and a third) to put themselves harder against the Cap and limit their ability to get cheap talent to lessen the Cap hit. And I think it's even worse if you consider the Jets weren't happy with Adams and wanted to send him to another team. In my book, even if Adams is a perennial All Pro, it was a bad trade given the circumstances.

We do have to keep in mind that the 2021 draft was an anomaly due to the pandemic. A draft pick, especially a high draft pick, in that draft can't be considered equal to other drafts.

What I worry about with Adams and Brown is they don't get enough practice time to really be ready and suffer from pulls and strains all year when they finally get on the field. It seems that holdouts (with a few exceptions like Walt) often suffer nagging injuries if they don't get in the reps in TC before the season starts.

That's definitely a concern, plus Brown will be working in a new offense. It's probably not as important for a LT as it is the skill positions, but it's still a new look for him.

Damn Walter Jones was something else. I swear he could have gotten out of bed and run out there in his pajamas and still played at an All Pro level.

[NorthHawk]

We do have to keep in mind that the 2021 draft was an anomaly due to the pandemic. A draft pick, especially a high draft pick, in that draft can't be considered equal to other drafts.

There was still very good talent to be had in the early rounds. We could have had a starting Center (Pocic already has a groin injury from what i have read) or a big RB like Javonte Williams who
ended up going early in the 2nd round to the Donkeys.

[RiverDog]

We do have to keep in mind that the 2021 draft was an anomaly due to the pandemic. A draft pick, especially a high draft pick, in that draft can't be considered equal to other drafts.

There was still very good talent to be had in the early rounds. We could have had a starting Center (Pocic already has a groin injury from what i have read) or a big RB like Javonte Williams who ended up going early in the 2nd round to the Donkeys.

Yeah, but who's to say that there were any on Pete/John's short list? They don't exactly follow conventional wisdom in the draft. It's quite possible, perhaps even likely, that they took a look at the 2021 draft class and felt that there wasn't anyone that was expected to be available they felt was worth a #1. We've traded as many #1 picks as we've made so they obviously don't value #1's as much as others to start out with. Combine that with the problems associated with the pandemic and they might have been itching to make some sort of a deal for their #1.

[NorthHawk]

True, they've passed by a lot of good talent for later questionable players the last 5 or 6 drafts and it's always been this way.
It's been a big part of the situation we are in today.
I'm still choked that they passed on Fletcher Cox in favor of Bruce Irvin. Irvin played well in his role, but Cox was a larger
Michael Bennett in that coming out of college he played both DE and DT. He was so good that on passing downs he moved
from DE to DT and got a lot of pressure up the middle. There aren't many players that can do that at a high level and we've
seen how productive he's been in his career.
Maybe the 2020 class will turn out to be a surprise with a couple of players like Robinson and maybe Taylor making an impact.

[RiverDog]

True, they've passed by a lot of good talent for later questionable players the last 5 or 6 drafts and it's always been this way.
It's been a big part of the situation we are in today. I'm still choked that they passed on Fletcher Cox in favor of Bruce Irvin. Irvin played well in his role, but Cox was a larger Michael Bennett in that coming out of college he played both DE and DT. He was so good that on passing downs he moved
from DE to DT and got a lot of pressure up the middle. There aren't many players that can do that at a high level and we've seen how productive he's been in his career. Maybe the 2020 class will turn out to be a surprise with a couple of players like Robinson and maybe Taylor making an impact.

Yeah, the Irvin pick was horrible considering it was the #15 overall. He was a one trick pony, not worthy of such a high pick. He did contribute, but only marginally, never a factor that offenses had to be account for.

The fact that we make so many head scratching decisions in the first round takes a little sting out of the Adams trade. Whatever magic Pete and John had early in their tenure has long since past, which is one of the reasons why I have one foot off the bandwagon.

[Aseahawkfan]

Yeah, the Irvin pick was horrible considering it was the #15 overall. He was a one trick pony, not worthy of such a high pick. He did contribute, but only marginally, never a factor that offenses had to be account for.

The fact that we make so many head scratching decisions in the first round takes a little sting out of the Adams trade. Whatever magic Pete and John had early in their tenure has long since past, which is one of the reasons why I have one foot off the bandwagon.

If they didn't hit a few out of the park when they do hit including the entire Legion of Boom, it would look worse. Even though their first round picks haven't been great, they have really mined some amazing talent in later rounds.

Their best first round picks are Earl and Okung (when healthy). That was their first year. They have literally missed or had middling luck with every other 1st round pick up that first year. John and Pete must be one of the worst draft people in the first round in the NFL. 2 1st round picks that performed very well in 11 years is pretty terrible.

2nd and later rounds they've done much better.

The first round picks during the Carroll-Schneider Era have been embarrassingly bad.

[curmudgeon]

Scot McGloughan. Without him Carroll/Schneider’s personnel moves have been very poor……

[jshawaii22]

The first round picks during the Carroll-Schneider Era have been embarrassingly bad.

Yes, and that's why trading 2 first round picks for Adams was not a bad deal at all.

[Aseahawkfan]

Scot McGloughan. Without him Carroll/Schneider’s personnel moves have been very poor……

No idea why you think that is true.

Schneider personally scouted Russell Wilson. Pete developed the profile for the type of DBs he wanted, which was not standard at the time he drafted them.

We've hit on good talent during Scott and after him. Some people credit McGloughan way too much. I'm sure he made some good picks, but Pete and John had a vision they executed when they first arrived that don't really follow anymore because Pete has "Shiny Toy" disease.

It's the trades that have been terrible after that first amazing trade for Lynch. The other trades have been a very mixed bag at best.

[Aseahawkfan]

Yes, and that's why trading 2 first round picks for Adams was not a bad deal at all.

It was a bad deal. And drafting badly doesn't excuse it. Their trades after Marshawn Lynch haven't been much better than their first round drafting. If I was making as many bad first round picks as Pete and John, I would have revised my methodology a long time ago.

If I had seen as many of these shiny toy trades fail as Pete and John have had fail, I wouldn't keep doing that either. They had a system and a plan that worked, but they moved away from it for some reason.

[jshawaii22]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/08/11/russell-wilson-willing-to-restructure-deal-to-aid-deals-for-jamal-adams-duane-brown/

And here is Russell, our defacto GM, playing mighty mouse to save the season. (if the team actually wants to resign them both to new deals). And this would be good, at least until someone else wants their $$$, too. No matter whether we pay them now or later, the cap hit will bite us in the butt sooner or later.

[RiverDog]

If they didn't hit a few out of the park when they do hit including the entire Legion of Boom, it would look worse. Even though their first round picks haven't been great, they have really mined some amazing talent in later rounds.

Their best first round picks are Earl and Okung (when healthy). That was their first year. They have literally missed or had middling luck with every other 1st round pick up that first year. John and Pete must be one of the worst draft people in the first round in the NFL. 2 1st round picks that performed very well in 11 years is pretty terrible.

2nd and later rounds they've done much better.

The first round picks during the Carroll-Schneider Era have been embarrassingly bad.

Okung was the 6th overall and was the top rated OT in the draft. It was pretty hard to strike out when you're picking that high. Okung's injury problems were completely unpredictable as he had something like 50 starts at OkState.

Earl was the 2nd ranked safety in the class, behind only Eric Berry. No one expected HOF out of him when he was drafted, but he was a pretty safe pick that addressed a need. We used a #13 overall on him. They mostly followed conventional wisdom as neither of those two could be considered a reach. They were on everyone's list.

But the following year, they started getting cute. James Carpenter was a big reach. Even his head coach was surprised that we took him in the first round. He was a complete bust as a tackle, got beat out for the starting guard by a journeyman and didn't even suit up for several games in the playoffs. Bruce Irvin was a specialist at best and although he did a fair job in the roles given to him, didn't justify a 15th overall selection. We didn't pick up his option and we let him go in FA. Germain Ifedi struggled, was moved to guard for a season, was a penalty machine, but eventually became a decent RT before we chose not to resign him.

The jury is still out on the rest. Rashaad Penny is a backup change of pace RB coming off a serious injury. LJ Collier has shown some flashes of brilliance but hasn't had that breakout season yet. Jordyn Brooks looks like he's going to be a solid starter.

That's one of the reasons why I wasn't as bummed as others were when we make the Adams trade. Our talent evaluation at the top of the draft has been so poor that it's probably best to trade it for a known quantity.

[NorthHawk]

Outside of a few years, our mid round selections haven't been stellar either.
We really haven't drafted well since 2012.

Here's a list of players we've drafted over the years. I think the jury is still out on the last 2 drafts, but with a few exceptions, the lists aren't very noteworthy after 2012.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... /draft.htm

[c_hawkbob]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/08/11/russell-wilson-willing-to-restructure-deal-to-aid-deals-for-jamal-adams-duane-brown/

And here is Russell, our defacto GM, playing mighty mouse to save the season. (if the team actually wants to resign them both to new deals). And this would be good, at least until someone else wants their $$$, too. No matter whether we pay them now or later, the cap hit will bite us in the butt sooner or later.

Russ expressed that willingness weeks ago. He has to be getting frustrated that they are dragging these two negotiations out so far. It's camp time, time to have your ducks in a row!

[NorthHawk]

It's kind of odd that Pete didn't want to talk about Brown's contract.
Maybe they are at a pivotal moment in negotiations or maybe they aren't sure they want to extend him considering
he didn't practice much last year in an attempt to manage his knee problems. At 36, they might not think he has
any more than one year left. Perhaps they could sign him to a voidable years contract meaning if he can't play in any
future year they aren't on the hood Cap wise and Brown gets money only for games played. It would be a little different
but it protects both sides and if Brown decides part way through the year he can't play at a high enough level then he retires
and the Seahawks regain any unpaid Cap space. Basically he would be on a week to week contract making say $900,000/week
or about $15M/year. I'm just making these numbers up to use as an example, but that type of contract structure.

[RiverDog]

Outside of a few years, our mid round selections haven't been stellar either. We really haven't drafted well since 2012.

Here's a list of players we've drafted over the years. I think the jury is still out on the last 2 drafts, but with a few exceptions, the lists aren't very noteworthy after 2012.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... /draft.htm

Agreed. We've made a few decent mid to lower round selections since then, like Frank Clark, Tyler Lockett, Justin Britt, Ethan Pocic, Chris Carson, and more recently, DK Metcalf and Damien Lewis. But by in large, our selections have not been very noteworthy. One factor could be that we seem to use our higher picks to obtain more lower round picks so we're selecting from a diminished pool.

[NorthHawk]

The philosophy seems to have changed from turning over every stone and getting as many draft picks as possible to trying for the home run each draft
and passing by good solid players that now are in the mix as Pro Bowlers or All Pros. Players like Derrick Henry and Chris Jones in favor of Germain Ifedi, or
Penny instead of Nick Chubb. The quality of scouting and identifying players has fallen dramatically the last 7 years - or maybe the qualities that JS/PC want
have changed making it a much smaller pool with fewer successful drafts and FA acquisitions.

[Aseahawkfan]

The philosophy seems to have changed from turning over every stone and getting as many draft picks as possible to trying for the home run each draft
and passing by good solid players that now are in the mix as Pro Bowlers or All Pros. Players like Derrick Henry and Chris Jones in favor of Germain Ifedi, or
Penny instead of Nick Chubb. The quality of scouting and identifying players has fallen dramatically the last 7 years - or maybe the qualities that JS/PC want
have changed making it a much smaller pool with fewer successful drafts and FA acquisitions.

Remember when Pete and John would bring as many people in as possible and compete at nearly every position? Hasn't happened in years.

Now we get some weird trade every year or so for some shiny toy some other team is willing to give up because they have problems Psychiatrist Pete thinks he can fix. It's getting pretty tiresome.

[obiken]

Agreed. We've made a few decent mid to lower round selections since then, like Frank Clark, Tyler Lockett, Justin Britt, Ethan Pocic, Chris Carson, and more recently, DK Metcalf and Damien Lewis. But by in large, our selections have not been very noteworthy. One factor could be that we seem to use our higher picks to obtain more lower round picks so we're selecting from a diminished pool.

Pete has a lot of prestige on the line with JA, but come on River, a LT vs a Safety, who is more important, LT by far! The problem is PC has dug us and him a huge hole on this.

[RiverDog]

Pete has a lot of prestige on the line with JA, but come on River, a LT vs a Safety, who is more important, LT by far! The problem is PC has dug us and him a huge hole on this.

I agree that the priority has to be re-signing Brown, and I'm more confident of us resigning him than I am Adams. And you're right, Pete has put himself in a huge predicament with Adams. The Hawks have very little leverage with him.

[RiverDog]

Supposedly the Hawks have made an offer to Adams and are awaiting a reply:

The ball is reportedly in Jamal Adams' court to finalize a contract extension that is expected to make him the highest-paid safety in the NFL.

According to ESPN's Brady Henderson, the Seahawks have made an offer to the All-Pro and are awaiting his decision. How long ago the offer was made, however, is unknown.

Earlier on Tuesday, Adam Jude and Bob Condotta of the Seattle Times reported that Adams' agent and the organization have not engaged in negotiations for "several days," to which Henderson confirmed.

https://www.si.com/nfl/seahawks/news/re ... m-seahawks

Pete didn't give us his usual optimistic spin, just a blunt "No" when asked if there were any new developments. This isn't sounding very good.

[RiverDog]

The Times has more details on the offer:

On Friday, the Seahawks made what they labeled their final offer: $17.5 million in total annual compensation on a four-year contract, with roughly $38 million guaranteed, a deal that would make Adams the highest-paid safety in the NFL.

The average per year, though, also would be just below the $18 million of middle linebacker Bobby Wagner, a key consideration for the Seahawks in leaving the 10-year veteran and longtime defensive captain as the highest-paid defensive player on the team.

Adams’ representatives seemed amenable to that salary package and then countered with what they saw as a reasonable request: $40 million in guarantees, $2 million more than the Seahawks’ offer.

Adams’ camp also wanted to move bonus money into the first three years of the contract; the Seahawks prefer to spread it over all four years.

The Seahawks, a source said, are “not budging” on their offer.

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/sea ... r-sources/

[Aseahawkfan]

The Times has more details on the offer:

On Friday, the Seahawks made what they labeled their final offer: $17.5 million in total annual compensation on a four-year contract, with roughly $38 million guaranteed, a deal that would make Adams the highest-paid safety in the NFL.

The average per year, though, also would be just below the $18 million of middle linebacker Bobby Wagner, a key consideration for the Seahawks in leaving the 10-year veteran and longtime defensive captain as the highest-paid defensive player on the team.

Adams’ representatives seemed amenable to that salary package and then countered with what they saw as a reasonable request: $40 million in guarantees, $2 million more than the Seahawks’ offer.

Adams’ camp also wanted to move bonus money into the first three years of the contract; the Seahawks prefer to spread it over all four years.

The Seahawks, a source said, are “not budging” on their offer.

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/sea ... r-sources/

I don't even know if 17.5 million per year won't be a bargain in a few years. This salaries are getting nuts.

[c_hawkbob]

I think too much is being made of it all. Sounds to me like the Seahawks set their limit as "less than Bobby" (as I'd said before), then made an offer just under that threshold which Adams' camp seemed amenable to but they tried to squeeze on last 'split the difference' in while Jamaal gets to skip some camp. I'm still as certain as I ever was that (which is to say "not totally, but close") it'll get done at close to the numbers on the table now.

[RiverDog]

I think too much is being made of it all. Sounds to me like the Seahawks set their limit as "less than Bobby" (as I'd said before), then made an offer just under that threshold which Adams' camp seemed amenable to but they tried to squeeze on last 'split the difference' in while Jamaal gets to skip some camp. I'm still as certain as I ever was that (which is to say "not totally, but close") it'll get done at close to the numbers on the table now.

That's definitely the glass half full take on the situation. If what you say is true, then we should be hearing something as soon as this weekend. But if it's true that we're done negotiating and if our final offer has been on the table for some time, then we're likely in an unresolvable stalemate.

The clock is running. At first, the word was that we'd have a deal by the start of TC then it was early in TC. Our first preseason game is tomorrow night, and Adams needs to be on the field and getting his reps.

[c_hawkbob]

"Unresolvable stalemate" is definitely the glass half empty (actually "unresolvable" makes the glass broken on the floor) take on the situation. That is basically saying a deal will not get done. I don't at all believe this to be a realistic take.

Nor do I make the first preseason game my threshold for what I said in my post to be correct. First game of the regular season I'll go along with, but I won't fret too much over him missing a preseason game or two (or even three).

[obiken]

"Unresolvable stalemate" is definitely the glass half empty (actually "unresolvable" makes the glass broken on the floor) take on the situation. That is basically saying a deal will not get done. I don't at all believe this to be a realistic take.

Nor do I make the first preseason game my threshold for what I said in my post to be correct. First game of the regular season I'll go along with, but I won't fret too much over him missing a preseason game or two (or even three).

How about trading him Bob, River? Michael Thomas for JA?

[RiverDog]

How about trading him Bob, River? Michael Thomas for JA?

I'd certainly entertain a trade, but not that one. Thomas is the highest paid receiver in the league, having signed a 5 year contract worth over $96 million. Besides, our needs are on both lines and at cornerback.

I'm not sure what the market would be for Adams if we decided to trade him. If he's turning down a contract that would make him the highest paid safety in the league, that's going to take a lot of teams out of the running. We'd probably end up getting something on the order of what we gave the Texans when we traded for Clowney, a player on the bubble and a mid round draft pick.

At this point, I think that if we can't sign Adams by the start of the regular season, we sit and wait him out.

[Aseahawkfan]

I'd trade him for a quality LT or DT. Someone who can really play on the line, not a gimmick pass rusher.

Now the rumor is the Seahawks will tag him twice if he continues to play games and not sigh. If that occurs, that will truly make this one of the worst trades in Seahawks history.

I really wish we hadn't traded for this guy. Psychiatrist Pete's magic is no longer working because he's not getting close to the Super Bowl. If you don't have a ring, then all you want is the money.

[RiverDog]

"Unresolvable stalemate" is definitely the glass half empty (actually "unresolvable" makes the glass broken on the floor) take on the situation. That is basically saying a deal will not get done. I don't at all believe this to be a realistic take.

Nor do I make the first preseason game my threshold for what I said in my post to be correct. First game of the regular season I'll go along with, but I won't fret too much over him missing a preseason game or two (or even three).

The Seahawks are at the end of their rope in the Jamal Adams negotiations.

More than a week after making reportedly a final offer to the fifth-year safety and with no plans to budge, a league source tells PFT that the team is truly done negotiating with Adams. They believe they’re made a fair and appropriate offer, and that if he doesn’t want to accept it, he can play out his option year and get franchise-tagged twice, for 2022 and 2023.

Seattle believes it treats players properly, that it pays them the appropriate amounts. They’ve reached the point where they’ve decided to let it play out one year at a time with Adams, more than confident that when push comes to shove he will show up and play.

Those familiar with Adams from his time with the Jets aren’t surprised. The Jets traded him in part because they believed they couldn’t reason with him. And by giving up a pair of first-round picks in trade for him without signing him to a new deal, the Seahawks were inheriting a potential if not inevitable impasse.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... f-need-be/

That, my friend, is the glass half empty look I was referring to: An impasse. I'm not saying that the story is true, but it does demonstrate that it's not the unrealistic take you're saying it is. It's a distinct possibility that we've reached a stalemate, which would explain Pete's unusually short, blunt answers when asked about Adams.

[NorthHawk]

It would appear that the Seahawks have some leverage in that the FT is much less than the supposed contract that's been offered.
So we could get 3 years out of him and save about $4-5M over 2 years by him not agreeing to be the highest paid S in the league.
He'll probably wait this out to the end, though and he could become a distraction if FT'd, but that's the game our FO seems to be
willing to play at this time.

[RiverDog]

It would appear that the Seahawks have some leverage in that the FT is much less than the supposed contract that's been offered.
So we could get 3 years out of him and save about $4-5M over 2 years by him not agreeing to be the highest paid S in the league.
He'll probably wait this out to the end, though and he could become a distraction if FT'd, but that's the game our FO seems to be
willing to play at this time.

The problem with slapping the FT on Adams is that it takes away an important leverage tool when it comes time to resign other young players, specifically Metcalf, who's going to want a huge contract, or if one of our other players has a couple breakout seasons, say Green or Collier.

Hopefully Adams holdout doesn't extend into the regular season. I don't want another replay of the Kam Chancellor incident.

[Aseahawkfan]

17.5 million a year for less than 1 interception a year and a 31st ranked passing defense from a safety. I'm hating this trade more and more.

[NorthHawk]

17.5 million a year for less than 1 interception a year and a 31st ranked passing defense from a safety. I'm hating this trade more and more.

I feel similarly, but I expect him to be in a more traditional role this year - at least not rushing the QB as often.
Just threatening to rush might be enough to make QB's change plays and possibly disrupt Offenses.

[obiken]

17.5 million a year for less than 1 interception a year and a 31st ranked passing defense from a safety. I'm hating this trade more and more.

We agree, and I am thinking a trade is becoming the only way out.

[NorthHawk]

I seriously doubt it would happen.
The teams that would want to pay more than $17.5M/year for a Safety is a fairly small list. So it would be down to a few teams that think they only
need to shore up the Safety position to go to the SB AND have the Cap Room.

[RiverDog]

We agree, and I am thinking a trade is becoming the only way out.

Obi, North Hawk is right. If there was a market for Adams, his contract stance with us has taken a lot of teams off the potential trade list. The reason the Jets traded him to us in the first place is because they could see that he was going to be a problem in contract negotiations. No one's going to offer anything close to what we gave up. The best that I can see anyone giving up now is a mid round pick and/or a player on the bubble, something similar to what we gave the Texans for Clowney, and of they did that, Pete and John would be forced to admit that they made a huge F-up.

Good, bad, or indifferent, Adams is on our roster for at least this season.