Russell Wilson

[RiverDog]

What are you talking about? You do understand that Russell is expected to do two press conferences a week. One during the week and one post game. Then if he doesn't do an interview such as with Kyle Brandt, he gets accused of being stuck up. Now he's doing an interview and gets asked if his hamstring is ok, he states it's ok and explains what he's doing and he gets made fun of. The guy is trying to show his fans that he's working hard and trying to get back, but now he's showing up his teammates. The guy can't win. He does a Subway commercial like a bunch of other players have done, he gets ridiculed.

Right now Russell couldn't win not doing interviews or doing interviews. He does an interview and he's phony and talking too much. He doesn't do an interview and he's stuck up and full of himself. If every teammate of his doesn't have his personal phone number, he's not a team leader. If he works hard to set an example of hard work trying to get back to help his team win, he has a hero complex.

Russ can't win right now. Fact is a certain segment of the NFL fan base and media has it in for him. Anything he does is criticized. You're even making some crap up that he seeks the camera too much, when he's done a handful of interviews that are mostly required and some additional ones here and there that are no different than most QBs do.

Now you're making crap up about him seeking the camera absent any evidence he is doing so. I have not seen an excessive number of Russell interviews. He's mostly in the news because other people are making fun of him for anything he does. It all gets turned into some kind of negative.

People are just piling on not because what you say is true, but you're bored and want something to talk about. You couldn't even tell me if he does more comparative media than any other NFL QB. It's not a tracked stat. Only reason he is in the news so much is because it gets clicks and views to talk negative smack about Russell right now. That's what's really going on.

When he was doing well, Russ was the hardest working guy in the room. Now he's doing poorly and he's some stuck up phony showing up his teammates. It's damn ridiculous is what it is and clear example of bias based on performance and pettiness purely to garner media attention and clicks.

He can do the press conferences and interviews, but he doesn't have to go into such intimate detail like telling them he spent 2/3's of a 6-hour flight doing knee highs while his teammates slept. All he had to do is say that he's been keeping it loose by exercising it a lot and stop there. It's sort of like being asked how your sex life is and telling everybody that you have erectile dysfunction. People are going to snicker and start telling jokes. TMI, or too much information.

Now you're making crap up about him seeking the camera absent any evidence he is doing so.

The fact that Russell is going into such detail in is interviews is pretty strong evidence that he's seeking attention. If he didn't like being in the limelight, he would be a lot less descriptive.

People are just piling on not because what you say is true, but you're bored and want something to talk about.

Of course, everyone is piling on. It's to be expected. It's one of the biggest trades in the history of the NFL and it's going very badly for Russell and his new team. And you're right, at least to a certain degree. I am a bit bored. I do get quite a bit of entertainment out of it. Even you liked the memes I posted, thought they were funny.

[Hawktawk]

I’m aware of the friend and described “ life coach “ tragic passing and it coincided with the worst play of Russell’s career .

But what does it say when a fabulously wealthy handsome superstar has nobody close enough to say “ dude “ it’s remarkable the piling on by guys who went to battle with him , won it all . I’m bipolar Johnny the grass janitor and I have 3 super close friends I’ve had for 4 decades and hundreds of friends and fans as a golf course super who provides a nice product . I know a guy like Russ doesn’t have a lot of time in the season . Just seems odd he’s so isolated . As to my observations I didn’t realize I had a treatable condition till 11 years ago . Something is off with that boy , more than ever . Head trauma is high on the list of causative factors for personality changes / disorders . I had a few . Just a hypothetical observation so no rants please .

[NorthHawk]

Russ has an ego. Good and great players rarely don't or don't show it.
It's just his quirky personality to talk about things too much and is part of who he is.
So what? It's entertaining for many of us.

[RiverDog]

Russ has an ego. Good and great players rarely don't or don't show it.
It's just his quirky personality to talk about things too much and is part of who he is.
So what? It's entertaining for many of us.

Agreed. It's highly entertaining.

You have to wonder how Russell is taking all of this. It could be that it's like water rolling off a duck's back and doesn't bother him in the slightest. If it were me, it would be as embarrassing as hell to do that commercial or see some of the memes that are being circulated. Russell is extremely image conscious, so one has to think that he's not liking what's being said about him.

The other thing is how his teammates and others around the organization are taking all of this noise. Speaking for myself, it wouldn't endear me to him. Or suppose you're the owner of the Broncos. Are you enjoying all of Russell's antics? Would you like the kind of publicity he's been giving your organization? Aren't things bad enough without him talking about parading up and down an airliner for 4 hours doing knee highs?

[NorthHawk]

Maybe it's just me, but I think he's trying to show that he's all about competing and taking game preparations seriously.
It's a calculated move is my guess and maybe he thinks it's a form of leadership.

[RiverDog]

Maybe it's just me, but I think he's trying to show that he's all about competing and taking game preparations seriously.
It's a calculated move is my guess and maybe he thinks it's a form of leadership.

But that doesn't explain why he'd tell the media about it.

And as far as leadership goes, how would you feel about a teammate that is parading up and down the aisles for 4 hours doing knee highs while you're trying to sleep? If he, indeed did it for that long, then I can't see how that's going to help his relationship with his teammates. Remember, this is a team that has lost their last 4 in a row, are one of the biggest disappointments in the league, there's trade rumors circulating around the media about at least 4 players, and their coach is on the hot seat. The knives have to already be out. They're not going to be in much of a mood to hear from their under performing quarterback telling them how to stay in shape when they're half asleep.

[Agent 86]

There is no doubt it has been entertaining as h-e-double hockey sticks. And all Seahawks fans are invested in Denver's season for this year given we own their 1st and 2nd round picks in 2023.

It is just so strange all the stuff coming out about Russ. I was not aware of the 2 minute drill he ran by himself in Pittsburgh last year or that he was trying to get the entire Denver sideline to yell "pass or run" in our week #1 matchup. The Subway commercials, the Let's Ride. All combined with the poor play of himself and the team and the brutal coaching of Hackett, it has been a complete nightmare scenario the first 7 weeks.

It's fascinating to me, I am taking some pleasure in it all and not feeling guilty about it. I am holding out hope that Denver pick ends up as a top 5, top 10 at worst.

[RiverDog]

There is no doubt it has been entertaining as h-e-double hockey sticks. And all Seahawks fans are invested in Denver's season for this year given we own their 1st and 2nd round picks in 2023.

It is just so strange all the stuff coming out about Russ. I was not aware of the 2 minute drill he ran by himself in Pittsburgh last year or that he was trying to get the entire Denver sideline to yell "pass or run" in our week #1 matchup. The Subway commercials, the Let's Ride. All combined with the poor play of himself and the team and the brutal coaching of Hackett, it has been a complete nightmare scenario the first 7 weeks.

It's fascinating to me, I am taking some pleasure in it all and not feeling guilty about it. I am holding out hope that Denver pick ends up as a top 5, top 10 at worst.

That's pretty much how I feel about it, except that I'm not taking pleasure in it as much as it's a reassurance to me that there was a reason why Russell's personality had begun to wear on me, that I hadn't begun to 'hate' him, an overused term if there ever was one but a popular characterization used by many to describe a fan's negative or waning feelings towards this or that player or coach.

Sure, Russell has a quirky personality. I'm no psychiatrist, and unlike our friend HT, I don't think it's a sign of mental illness. But some of his behavior is damn strange and hard to make sense of. It's not normal, which is why many of us find it so entertaining, because Russell thinks it's normal.

I know that HT is enjoying all of this because a true dislike for the man has been allowed to fester within him. That's not the case with me. I'm enjoying all this drama and entertainment this season because there's a prize at the end of it for us: The worse Russell does, the better our chances of improving our draft position. Next season, I really don't care how Russell or the Broncos do. He'll be just another player and Denver just a random team to me. But if his antics continue, I suspect that I'll still laugh at them. Some of those memes are hard for me to get out of my mind.

Speaking of which, here's another that I just saw:

https://twitter.com/PointsBetUSA/status ... -fMoNSwtG8

[I-5]

I started following Twitter recently, and in one of the Russ topics was a comment from a server at a steak restaurant in Bellevue who was Russ' server last year I don't have any reason to doubt him or the story, as he wasn't recounting anything sensational, but it was a peek into the Russ we don't see in the media. He mentioned that that they showed up 2 hours past the reservation, insisted on a booth where Russ could be seen by the most people, that Russ (and his bodyguards) all wore sunglasses inside a dining room at night the entire time, that Ciara was absolutely kind and polite, and that Russ ignored her throughout the dinner except to whisper his steak order in her ear for her to tell the server his order, instead of just telling the server who was standing a couple feet away. Is any of this illegal or terrible? Of course not. Is it odd as hell? Yes. It's not the first time an athlete has behaved this way, but for someone who is constantly trying to promote a squeaky clean image, it's odd.


So when Marshawn went onto Sherm's The Voice podcast and mentioned the only way to reach Russ outside of the practice facility was to go through his manager, it didn't surprise me. Imagine making Marshawn go through a manager to reach Russ.

[RiverDog]

I started following Twitter recently, and in one of the Russ topics was a comment from a server at a steak restaurant in Bellevue who was Russ' server last year I don't have any reason to doubt him or the story, as he wasn't recounting anything sensational, but it was a peek into the Russ we don't see in the media. He mentioned that that they showed up 2 hours past the reservation, insisted on a booth where Russ could be seen by the most people, that Russ (and his bodyguards) all wore sunglasses inside a dining room at night the entire time, that Ciara was absolutely kind and polite, and that Russ ignored her throughout the dinner except to whisper his steak order in her ear for her to tell the server his order, instead of just telling the server who was standing a couple feet away. Is any of this illegal or terrible? Of course not. Is it odd as hell? Yes. It's not the first time an athlete has behaved this way, but for someone who is constantly trying to promote a squeaky clean image, it's odd.

So when Marshawn went onto Sherm's The Voice podcast and mentioned the only way to reach Russ outside of the practice facility was to go through his manager, it didn't surprise me. Imagine making Marshawn go through a manager to reach Russ.

Wow, that is strange.

I just picked up on something else. Former Bronco WR and HOF'er Shannon Sharpe, never one to hold back his feelings (he's the one that got into it with Metcalf last year after the Pittsburgh game), has a scathing 94 second dissertation about Russell on his FS 1 show "Skip and Shannon: Undisputed" with Skip Bayless in which he implied that Russell has his own office at the Broncos' practice facility, and that he's not integrating himself with his teammates.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1585834407033597953

When it rains, it pours. Piling on is an understatement. I've never seen so many people turn on a player as quickly as they've turned on Russell, unless they've gotten themselves in trouble with the law, etc. The only way to stop all this is for Russell to start playing well and for the Broncos to start winning.

[I-5]

I just picked up on something else. Former Bronco WR and HOF'er Shannon Sharpe, never one to hold back his feelings (he's the one that got into it with Metcalf last year after the Pittsburgh game), has a scathing 94 second dissertation about Russell on his FS 1 show "Skip and Shannon: Undisputed" with Skip Bayless in which he implied that Russell has his own office at the Broncos' practice facility, and that he's not integrating himself with his teammates.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1585834407033597953

When it rains, it pours. Piling on is an understatement. I've never seen so many people turn on a player as quickly as they've turned on Russell, unless they've gotten themselves in trouble with the law, etc. The only way to stop all this is for Russell to start playing well and for the Broncos to start winning.

I saw that, too. The thing is, if the Broncos were 5-2, then this would be a human interest story about Russ' cute little private office. But when you suck and your team is losing, nothing plays well. Especially when he contineus to talk like his life is perfect.

[RiverDog]

I just picked up on something else. Former Bronco WR and HOF'er Shannon Sharpe, never one to hold back his feelings (he's the one that got into it with Metcalf last year after the Pittsburgh game), has a scathing 94 second dissertation about Russell on his FS 1 show "Skip and Shannon: Undisputed" with Skip Bayless in which he implied that Russell has his own office at the Broncos' practice facility, and that he's not integrating himself with his teammates.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1585834407033597953

When it rains, it pours. Piling on is an understatement. I've never seen so many people turn on a player as quickly as they've turned on Russell, unless they've gotten themselves in trouble with the law, etc. The only way to stop all this is for Russell to start playing well and for the Broncos to start winning.

I saw that, too. The thing is, if the Broncos were 5-2, then this would be a human interest story about Russ' cute little private office. But when you suck and your team is losing, nothing plays well. Especially when he contineus to talk like his life is perfect.

I don't think having his own private office in the practice facility and making his friends go through a manager to talk to him would go over well in any locker room, losing or otherwise. I know it wouldn't with me. But you're right, all this gets magnified by a factor of 10 when you're losing. It's not something we'd even hear about.

[Aseahawkfan]

All I know is crapping on Russ is a trending topic I'm sure media outlets are monitoring to how many views and hits they get for doing it. It will die down when it doesn't garner any more interest and people get bored with the topic.

As far as Russ, he isn't doing anything he hasn't done for the past ten years. He is as consistent as he's ever been with his messaging, just not his on field play.

Sports media is like celeb tabloid rags for men. There is always going to be a segment of men who like to buy into every rumor and chat about some other player because they got nothing to better to do with their time.

[TriCitySam]

As to the Bellevue restaurant story - I have no insight. I've been a Pete backer these past couple years, and not too happy with what I saw or heard out of RW and his camp. HOWEVER, I have been at the Met a couple times when RW came in. It was pretty incognito and he ate in a side room where no one else could observe.

[RiverDog]

As far as Russ, he isn't doing anything he hasn't done for the past ten years. He is as consistent as he's ever been with his messaging, just not his on field play.

Not if there's any truth to these stories. Russell never had his own office at the VMAC, never had his friends going through a manager. Fame and fortune seems to have gone to his head. And you can't deny the weirdness that seems to have consumed him. If that was part of his character when he first broke in with us in 2012, he did a damn good job of disguising it.

Sports media is like celeb tabloid rags for men. There is always going to be a segment of men who like to buy into every rumor and chat about some other player because they got nothing to better to do with their time.

I agree, although I don't think I'm the type to buy into every rumor, unless you want to call what Shannon Sharpe is doing rumor mongering. IMO he's a little more credible than guys like Cowherd. But I definitely don't have enough to do.

[I-5]

Riv, I think the Marshawn story about having to go through a manager to get to Russ was during his time in Seattle. We just didn’t hear about it because all is good when you’re winning. It’s like the analogy of if you are rich , then you’re called ‘eccentric’; but if you’re broke then you’re just crazy.

[RiverDog]

Riv, I think the Marshawn story about having to go through a manager to get to Russ was during his time in Seattle. We just didn’t hear about it because all is good when you’re winning. It’s like the analogy of if you are rich , then you’re called ‘eccentric’; but if you’re broke then you’re just crazy.

But surely, it didn't start in his rookie season when he was a 3rd round draft pick. It had to have happened sometime after his 2nd contract and his marriage to Ciara.

[NorthHawk]

NorthHawk wrote:
Maybe it's just me, but I think he's trying to show that he's all about competing and taking game preparations seriously.
It's a calculated move is my guess and maybe he thinks it's a form of leadership.

[quote
But that doesn't explain why he'd tell the media about it.

And as far as leadership goes, how would you feel about a teammate that is parading up and down the aisles for 4 hours doing knee highs while you're trying to sleep? If he, indeed did it for that long, then I can't see how that's going to help his relationship with his teammates. ][/quote]

Some people are just quirky and it could easily fall under the umbrella of his idea of leadership by thinking that showing his teammates that he's all in and about winning and that he's not just there for the money.
How would I feel about it? It wouldn't bother me at all unless he drew a mustache on me while I was asleep.

[RiverDog]

OK, so how about this little gem? Do you still think that it's 'just quirky' for a person to talk about how many times a week he takes a crap?

This Athletic Premium Plus interview with Russell Wilson hacking his body’s need to poop is literally unreal

Wilson's life is a continuous battle against what he calls "wasted seconds." The biggest culprits are eating, sleeping, and *ahem*, yes, using the facilities.

"It's theoretically possible to design a diet and fitness routine so efficient that your body no longer creates waste", Wilson says as he downloads his #2 app onto my phone. "I might wear #2 on my chest, but my goal is to reduce my BM down to once a week. Right now I'm into a loading phase where I only allow myself to 'make' on Tuesdays and Thursdays. It's really improved my energy levels and sex drive, plus the internal waste provides more cushioning against violent impacts I see on Sundays."

Not sure that this one will catch on, but hey-can't argue with results.

https://twitter.com/PardonMyTake/status ... _&ref_url=

After literally reading all this chit, I'm about to sign onto HT's theory that Russell suffers from some sort of mental disorder.

[Hawktawk]

There is no doubt it has been entertaining as h-e-double hockey sticks. And all Seahawks fans are invested in Denver's season for this year given we own their 1st and 2nd round picks in 2023.

It is just so strange all the stuff coming out about Russ. I was not aware of the 2 minute drill he ran by himself in Pittsburgh last year or that he was trying to get the entire Denver sideline to yell "pass or run" in our week #1 matchup. The Subway commercials, the Let's Ride. All combined with the poor play of himself and the team and the brutal coaching of Hackett, it has been a complete nightmare scenario the first 7 weeks.

It's fascinating to me, I am taking some pleasure in it all and not feeling guilty about it. I am holding out hope that Denver pick ends up as a top 5, top 10 at worst.

Prior to the Pittsburgh game Russ came out in shorts and conducted a mock 2 minute drill on the Field as Geno was preparing to start . To the adoration of Collinswirth etc ,” wow look at Wilson he never stops working “
Russ has a pathological need for attention .

[RiverDog]

Russ has a pathological need for attention .

A need for attention is one thing and isn't all that unusual. Washington, DC is full of attention craving people. It's the content of what Russell says and does, like how often he takes a crap, that is making him look weird.

[Hawktawk]

Most performers whether athletes or actors or singers etc are somewhat extroverted , generally self aggrandizing to one degree or another . Music is my thing and I’m fearless in a big room, probably think I’m better then I am . Any performer does .

None of it explains Russ and his actions and words these days but it’s worse than ever . I’m sure the locker room is gone already . 245 million for the worst 50 million qb in the league , private office and he’s already tossing coach under the bus and showing up his teammates . YeH he’s getting piled on but he won’t shut up so he’s bringing it on himself now.

[RiverDog]

I watched all of the Denver-Jacksonville game this morning. Russell didn't look horrible, but he didn't look much better, either. He had one really bad INT and one that should have gotten picked, was sacked several times, completed 60% of his passes, slightly above his season average, 1 TD and 1 INT. He did take the Broncos on a 4th quarter drive that ended up being the winning score, but the defense is what won the game for them.

On the other hand, Trevor Lawrence was horrible, throwing two costly, really bad interceptions, one at the one yard line and the other with 1:30 left in the game that sealed their defeat.

The win should take a little pressure off of Hackett and likely takes the Broncos out of the 'sell' mode that they might have been in had they lost this game.

[Hawktawk]

I won’t say winning cures everything but it salves the wound . He’s bought Hackett another week or 2.

Russ isn’t a complete invalid and he’s gonna make plays and win some games like every olded out guy does . Dammit , pick just got worse . I was at a reunion with no reception so got bits and pieces on the phone .
GO HAWKS !

[RiverDog]

I won’t say winning cures everything but it salves the wound . He’s bought Hackett another week or 2.

Russ isn’t a complete invalid and he’s gonna make plays and win some games like every olded out guy does . Dammit , pick just got worse . I was at a reunion with no reception so got bits and pieces on the phone .
GO HAWKS !

Actually, the game didn't look any different whatsoever from any of the games I've seen the Broncos play this year, and I've seen most of them. The difference this time is that they caught a break. The Broncos had something like 10 penalties in the first half alone. They ended up with 12 for the game. They are the most heavily penalized team in the league. No way have they turned the corner. Things get tougher for them from here on out.

At 2-6, the Jags have a good shot of having the worst record in the league for 3 straight seasons. Not sure if that's ever been done before.

[HawkDawg]

Russ stopped being a football player and started becoming a celebrity. His "ventures" are out of whack, most of which have failed. Bread Balls, Frozen Foods, Perfume, etc.

Bread Balls:
https://www.wilsonsbread.com/
Only available where?

Frozen Food:
https://performancekitchen.com/collections/russell-wilson-performance-team-meals
Side note, our local QFC carried this...for two weeks! With a full sized Wilson cardboard cutout.

Perfume:
https://randcfragrance.com/
Just scroll down. It gets uglier.

Yes, I appreciate the Super Bowl appearances, just kind of wish he wasn't at the helm. Dude had no long term loyalty to the team, it was all about the ego. He became a primadonna. Hass deserved that ring.

[RiverDog]

Russ stopped being a football player and started becoming a celebrity. His "ventures" are out of whack, most of which have failed. Bread Balls, Frozen Foods, Perfume, etc.

Bread Balls:
https://www.wilsonsbread.com/
Only available where?

Frozen Food:
https://performancekitchen.com/collections/russell-wilson-performance-team-meals
Side note, our local QFC carried this...for two weeks! With a full sized Wilson cardboard cutout.

Perfume:
https://randcfragrance.com/
Just scroll down. It gets uglier.

Yes, I appreciate the Super Bowl appearances, just kind of wish he wasn't at the helm. Dude had no long term loyalty to the team, it was all about the ego. He became a primadonna. Hass deserved that ring.

Eegads! I'm glad that last one isn't a video. No wonder his ventures failed. I think Russ needs to hang on to the day job.

[I-5]

This has probably been brought up before, but the more Geno continues to ball this year while Russ struggles, is it hurting Russ' Hall of Fame prospects? Yes, Russ had 10 phenomenal years in Seattle, but Geno in year 1 is on his way to equalling some of Russ' best years in his first year. If anything, I think Pete's HOF credentials are gaining ground.

[Aseahawkfan]

This has probably been brought up before, but the more Geno continues to ball this year while Russ struggles, is it hurting Russ' Hall of Fame prospects? Yes, Russ had 10 phenomenal years in Seattle, but Geno in year 1 is on his way to equalling some of Russ' best years in his first year. If anything, I think Pete's HOF credentials are gaining ground.

Why do you expect this to be decided so early? When Russ's career is done, then we'll find out. Barring injury. Russ has five more years to add to his resume. Why ask a question five years away from being close to decided?

[Hawktawk]

]

This has probably been brought up before, but the more Geno continues to ball this year while Russ struggles, is it hurting Russ' Hall of Fame prospects? Yes, Russ had 10 phenomenal years in Seattle, but Geno in year 1 is on his way to equalling some of Russ' best years in his first year. If anything, I think Pete's HOF credentials are gaining ground.

Why do you expect this to be decided so early? When Russ's career is done, then we'll find out. Barring injury. Russ has five more years to add to his resume. Why ask a question five years away from being close to decided?[/quote]

I don’t think Russ is in the league as a player in 5 years . I think less . The physical skills are slipping and the mental aspect , let’s say it’s been exposed as he’s had more liberty to run what he wants . He cannot read the field and misses SEEING wide open guys all over Career worst in everything and a team that’s close to turning on him already . Not a pile on , just an observation . What Geno is doing here is helping his lagacy here and getting Pete one step closer to canton . It has nothing to do with Russ . Denver will determine his legacy .

[tarlhawk]

I see sadness in an individual exposed to media suicide...I want the Broncos to fail as a team in the pursuit of better draft selections available...but take no delight in RW failing on an individual front. If he was "harming" the team somehow by character decline/personal adversity off the field then as fans we can "let it go" as our team has been fortunate to bounce back from an awful 2021 season. Media influence seems to draw out the worse in character assassination. Lets revel in our teams current success and avoid the "need" to vent on a player no longer with us.

[RiverDog]

I see sadness in an individual exposed to media suicide...I want the Broncos to fail as a team in the pursuit of better draft selections available...but take no delight in RW failing on an individual front. If he was "harming" the team somehow by character decline/personal adversity off the field then as fans we can "let it go" as our team has been fortunate to bounce back from an awful 2021 season. Media influence seems to draw out the worse in character assassination. Lets revel in our teams current success and avoid the "need" to vent on a player no longer with us.

One of the reasons why I started this thread was so that we wouldn't have nearly every other thread in this forum diverted into a discussion on Russell Wilson and/or the Broncos as a few of us seemed preoccupied with him, and it seems to have worked. If you or any other poster finds it discouraging to read some of the comments and opinions about Russ, I'd suggest that you avoid coming into this thread rather than lecturing others on their need to vent and be thankful that most of the posters have now limited to this thread.

As far as media influence drawing out the character assassins, yes, there are some folks, both in this forum and in the sports world at large, that are engaging in such tactics. But the bulk of what's drawing all of these comments and characterizations is direct quotes from the man himself. He's the one that insists on telling others what he did on his flight to Europe, what day of the week he takes a #2, and so on. These aren't things that people are making up about him. Couple that with the sub par performance in the first half of the season that both he and his new team has experienced, especially when contrasted with the success that his former team is having without him, it should surprise no one that his character is taking such a hit. Much of this could have been avoided if he would suppress his urge to be so forthcoming in his statements and interviews, so my sympathy for him is very limited.

As far as what's next for Russell and the Broncos, they're coming off their bye week, so Russ has had some time to heal from his recent injuries and their winning their last game vs. the Jags has caused the talk of Hackett being fired to subside, at least for the time being. Next up for them is a road game vs. the Titans, who despite starting a rookie quarterback, took one of the league favorites to overtime before succumbing. Derrick Henry is playing at his peak, rushing for 115 yards on 17 carries and 2 TD's. Despite their overall success on defense, the Broncos have had their problems stopping the run, with the Jags Travis Etienne racking up over 150 yards rushing against them last week. It will be a lot stiffer challenge than the Jags, who until their come from behind victory over the lowly Raiders, had lost 6 in a row.

[tarlhawk]

One of the reasons why I started this thread was so that we wouldn't have nearly every other thread in this forum diverted into a discussion on Russell Wilson and/or the Broncos as a few of us seemed preoccupied with him, and it seems to have worked. If you or any other poster finds it discouraging to read some of the comments and opinions about Russ, I'd suggest that you avoid coming into this thread rather than lecturing others on their need to vent and be thankful that most of the posters have now limited to this thread.

My point was not to lecture...that frames my post as condescending...my intent was RW is no longer on the team so the fascination with the media outlets that are "thrashing" him in public escapes me. My interest as a Seahawks fan is that the Broncos suffer on the NFL competitive field ...to improve the draft picks we inherited. No judgements. Go Hawks!

[RiverDog]

One of the reasons why I started this thread was so that we wouldn't have nearly every other thread in this forum diverted into a discussion on Russell Wilson and/or the Broncos as a few of us seemed preoccupied with him, and it seems to have worked. If you or any other poster finds it discouraging to read some of the comments and opinions about Russ, I'd suggest that you avoid coming into this thread rather than lecturing others on their need to vent and be thankful that most of the posters have now limited to this thread.

My point was not to lecture...that frames my post as condescending...my intent was RW is no longer on the team so the fascination with the media outlets that are "thrashing" him in public escapes me. My interest as a Seahawks fan is that the Broncos suffer on the NFL competitive field ...to improve the draft picks we inherited. No judgements. Go Hawks!

Thanks for making that correction. I probably shouldn't have characterized your remarks as lectures, but it did sound to me a little like you were telling others what they should and shouldn't be commenting on. Glad you straightened things out.

Russell might not be the most likeable former Seahawk, at least not to everyone, but he's sort of like the POTUS, ie so well-known and in the public eye that everyone is going to have an opinion on him. The trade is still relatively new and whether it's positive or negative, Russell's story makes for some really good drama that is of special interest to us Hawks fans even without taking into account our pending draft choices. He will be a legitimate topic for many more months, if not years, to come.

[I-5]

Why ask a question five years away from being close to decided?

Why ask? Because it's a forum, that's what we do, sit around and throw stuff against the wall. None of our conversations have any bearing or impact on what actually happens. Why ask? Why not ask? I will say I always have considered Russ a first ballot guy, and never allowed myself to question that belief. We're halfway through the season, and this is either a rough start, or the beginning of a slow decline in his football skills and/or leadership ability. If it's just a slow start, then for his sake, he would return to the highly productive Russ we all know, but actual football guys like Kurt Warner are genuinely baflled at how poor his field skills seem to be - some that go beyond Hackett's failings. If he fails to make the playoffs in Denver, I think even his legacy in Seattle will be tarnished, and more credit transferred to Pete. Just my opinion.

[obiken]

Why ask? Because it's a forum, that's what we do, sit around and throw stuff against the wall. None of our conversations have any bearing or impact on what actually happens. Why ask? Why not ask? I will say I always have considered Russ a first ballot guy, and never allowed myself to question that belief. We're halfway through the season, and this is either a rough start, or the beginning of a slow decline in his football skills and/or leadership ability. If it's just a slow start, then for his sake, he would return to the highly productive Russ we all know, but actual football guys like Kurt Warner are genuinely baflled at how poor his field skills seem to be - some that go beyond Hackett's failings. If he fails to make the playoffs in Denver, I think even his legacy in Seattle will be tarnished, and more credit transferred to Pete. Just my opinion.

I agree! But to answer your question, no. Russ's numbers are solid for the HOF, all he needs is another trip to the NFC or AFC title game.

[RiverDog]

Why ask a question five years away from being close to decided?

Why ask? Because it's a forum, that's what we do, sit around and throw stuff against the wall. None of our conversations have any bearing or impact on what actually happens. Why ask? Why not ask? I will say I always have considered Russ a first ballot guy, and never allowed myself to question that belief. We're halfway through the season, and this is either a rough start, or the beginning of a slow decline in his football skills and/or leadership ability. If it's just a slow start, then for his sake, he would return to the highly productive Russ we all know, but actual football guys like Kurt Warner are genuinely baflled at how poor his field skills seem to be - some that go beyond Hackett's failings. If he fails to make the playoffs in Denver, I think even his legacy in Seattle will be tarnished, and more credit transferred to Pete. Just my opinion.

Well put.

I could understand the angst if every thread got diverted into a discussion on a former player, and there were some that seemed so obsessed with Russell that they couldn't discipline themselves to leave it alone. But that shouldn't be a problem so long as everyone conforms and limits their comments to this particular thread.

The bye week couldn't have come at a better time for Russell and the Broncos. It gives him some time to get healed, they're coming off a win, so they don't have that bitter taste in their mouths to endure for two weeks, and it takes the spotlight off of them for a little bit as it pushes them off Sports Center for a few days. It will be interesting to see how they fare in the 2nd half of the season.

[Hawktawk]

Russel committed media suicide . It was relevant and those of us without the discipline to remain silent with an elephant in the living room were on the money . Dead right and confirmed by guys who played with him , verified by the turd he’s dumped on the broncos .
No regrets . Right like damn near everything this off season and season .

And now the same guy saying I was to harsh is tellling Tari not to tell us how to feel about Russ or what to say . Brilliant analysis . Could not have said it better myself .

Russ earned his pub but the greedy little midget has 160 million guaranteed to salve the wound of most likely never reaching the HOF

[RiverDog]

Russel committed media suicide . It was relevant and those of us without the discipline to remain silent with an elephant in the living room were on the money . Dead right and confirmed by guys who played with him , verified by the turd he’s dumped on the broncos .
No regrets . Right like damn near everything this off season and season .

And now the same guy saying I was to harsh is tellling Tari not to tell us how to feel about Russ or what to say . Brilliant analysis . Could not have said it better myself .

Russ earned his pub but the greedy little midget has 160 million guaranteed to salve the wound of most likely never reaching the HOF

My only complaint about your musings was the very corrosive and inflammatory terms you were using to describe him. It was unnecessary and did not add anything to your argument or to the quality of our discussions. Strip out the garbage out of your posts and I actually agreed with most of what you were saying.

[Hawktawk]

Russel committed media suicide . It was relevant and those of us without the discipline to remain silent with an elephant in the living room were on the money . Dead right and confirmed by guys who played with him , verified by the turd he’s dumped on the broncos .
No regrets . Right like damn near everything this off season and season .

And now the same guy saying I was to harsh is tellling Tari not to tell us how to feel about Russ or what to say . Brilliant analysis . Could not have said it better myself .

Russ earned his pub but the greedy little midget has 160 million guaranteed to salve the wound of most likely never reaching the HOF

My only complaint about your musings was the very corrosive and inflammatory terms you were using to describe him. It was unnecessary and did not add anything to your argument or to the quality of our discussions. Strip out the garbage out of your posts and I actually agreed with most of what you were saying.[/quote ]

Fair enough . Look Im me.I don't know how inflammatory little dictator or diva are in hindsight anyway with the stuff his own teammates are saying.
Im a big loud dude that comes across a lot funnier in person then on line. And I wont gloat much but I think I said quite a few times "addition by subtraction".Sure looking like it in every way. I think the paint on the walls of the Vmac brightened up a couple shades

Heres another priceless Wilson from last weekend. Tweeted a 2 word message "keep working" from his condominium in Cabo.

3-5, skipped preseason but I guess he figured he didn't need any extra work while telling his team to keep working .How can you not laugh. Like Pete said after the trade"Russ said a lot of things but not everyone was buying in to what he was saying."