Russell Wilson

[I-5]

I haven't said this before until now...but I don't see Russ being able to dramatically improve his level of play unless something major happens to the rest of the offense ie new coach, new scheme, and possbibly new players. The scary thing for Russ is, let's say they do have a new coach, new scheme, and new players next year, and he STILL struggles. Then we'll be closer to knowing what the real problem is. But I agree, Denver is going to do EVERYTHING to make Russ successful. They have no choice but to.

[Hawktawk]

I haven't said this before until now...but I don't see Russ being able to dramatically improve his level of play unless something major happens to the rest of the offense ie new coach, new scheme, and possbibly new players. The scary thing for Russ is, let's say they do have a new coach, new scheme, and new players next year, and he STILL struggles. Then we'll be closer to knowing what the real problem is. But I agree, Denver is going to do EVERYTHING to make Russ successful. They have no choice but to.

It’s like the Alamo . There’s no back door . Of course they have to try and the team has had horrific injuries as well but man is completing 57% of his passes, missing wide open guys and now apparently calling Seahawks audibles . These are performance issues , not scheme . Almost every game loser has involved either not seeing or making bad throws to wide open guys and they are dressed in safety orange .
This is a qb in severe decline , fall off a cliff . So few remember him losing to 3 backups last year though . We’re fortunate to have traded him when we did . I almost feel sorry for Denver fans . Almost

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

I haven't said this before until now...but I don't see Russ being able to dramatically improve his level of play unless something major happens to the rest of the offense ie new coach, new scheme, and possbibly new players. The scary thing for Russ is, let's say they do have a new coach, new scheme, and new players next year, and he STILL struggles. Then we'll be closer to knowing what the real problem is. But I agree, Denver is going to do EVERYTHING to make Russ successful. They have no choice but to.

There's an expectation that a a $50 million should be able to elevate the team more, and it's a lot harder to accept reasons and/or excuses in light of that price. In fairness, the whole elite QB pay structure is flawed. It's as much a product of scarcity as it is importance. In other words, top QB's are being paid out of proportion with respect to their value relative to the rest of the team. Wilson's contract makes it harder to field the kind of team that I assume he expects to have around him to succeed.

Even with new coaching staff, new scheme, new players, and injuries, Russ is not playing like a guy that's been in the league for a decade. For his sake, I hope he doesn't have any TBI's.

[Uppercut]

Since Russ is taking the Broncos to shambles, I sort of wish he would have went to the Niners instead and take them down LOL

[Hawktawk]

Since Russ is taking the Broncos to shambles, I sort of wish he would have went to the Niners instead and take them down LOL

Good point .
It’s actually shocking his decline . I think 4 years ago he was the PFF #1 DVOA qb in the league . He’s high 20s now with a total qbr of 33. Not sure how you get out of this . Especially when you are tweeting “keep working “ from your estate in Cabo and you don’t know the audibles . I hear about the effort but I don’t see it .

[RiverDog]

Since Russ is taking the Broncos to shambles, I sort of wish he would have went to the Niners instead and take them down LOL

Even if they wanted him, there wouldn't have been a chance in hell that we would have traded him to a division rival.

[TriCitySam]

You're hearing the same stuff we heard in Seattle: Russ likes to call audibles make the big "Explosive play". Frustrates the coaching staff, and as Stink said the other day: you no longer have a game plan, you're just running various plays.

[Aseahawkfan]

I think Hawktawk rage cursed Russ and he won't be ok until next year after the curse is lifted once we have a good draft pick.

[Hawktawk]

I think Hawktawk rage cursed Russ and he won't be ok until next year after the curse is lifted once we have a good draft pick.

Lol good one
Rage is too strong . I was angry a guy who Pete Carroll made and protected bit the hand that fed him . I saw decline but I’ve been more right then I thought . The important thing is our coach and GM pulled off this mega trade in the nick of time . No apologies for being right about Russell . Zero .

[Aseahawkfan]

Lol good one
Rage is too strong . I was angry a guy who Pete Carroll made and protected bit the hand that fed him . I saw decline but I’ve been more right then I thought . The important thing is our coach and GM pulled off this mega trade in the nick of time . No apologies for being right about Russell . Zero .

You rage cursed him involuntarily like some dark horror movie where Russell angered you and some well of rage formed into a dark curse upon Russ. Now he's going to suffer this year until the curse is lifted and we get a top five draft pick.

We'll see if Russ plays better next year. Then I'll be right about the rage curse.

[obiken]

Both of you have good points but its time for the both of you to move on from RW. IF you look in the rear view Mirror too much, you run off the road.

[Aseahawkfan]

Next year Obi, we move on. Right now, all I see is a Top 5 pick coming to us in the 1st and 2nd round from Denver. I can't help but feel great about it.

And I want Pete and John to draft some monster pass rusher.

[Hawktawk]

Both of you have good points but its time for the both of you to move on from RW. IF you look in the rear view Mirror too much, you run off the road.

Hindsight is 20-20. And learning from history can help avoid repeating it . Pete and John are doing something here that is 180% out from what all the teams with these 50 million dollar guys were doing . In Geno AND LOCK we have a foundation for success for a fraction of the price with a fraction of the drama .

Spoken by the man who said don’t sleep on Geno I’m gonna tell you , don’t sleep on Drew Lock . Pete mentions him constantly in pressers , last week he bragged about Drew’s “ swag moments “ going up against the 1s in practice. He says he does not want Drew to have to replace Geno “ for the wrong reason “ but if he came in he would be effective .

I’ve come around on my previous view of Pete as a say anything guy . This appears to be sent as encouragement for Drew and a message to Geno to keep grinding if he wants to be qb1 next year .

[obiken]

Hindsight is 20-20. And learning from history can help avoid repeating it . Pete and John are doing something here that is 180% out from what all the teams with these 50 million dollar guys were doing . In Geno AND LOCK we have a foundation for success for a fraction of the price with a fraction of the drama .

Spoken by the man who said don’t sleep on Geno I’m gonna tell you , don’t sleep on Drew Lock . Pete mentions him constantly in pressers , last week he bragged about Drew’s “ swag moments “ going up against the 1s in practice. He says he does not want Drew to have to replace Geno “ for the wrong reason “ but if he came in he would be effective .

I’ve come around on my previous view of Pete as a say anything guy . This appears to be sent as encouragement for Drew and a message to Geno to keep grinding if he wants to be qb1 next year .

Sure, but you miss the fact that Pete could have done a lot more to elongate Russ's career here. Remember a few years ago when a FG kicker missed a chip shot against us, and lost a playoff game. Pete picks him up and he misses the FG that would have given us home-field throughout the playoffs. Pete could have done way more to do what he did this year to rebuild the Oline. At the same time the defense was going into the commode Pete did nothing on that . No doubt you and River were the first to see Russ had quit running after he married Ciara. That was Russ's fast ball, what I never saw is his out pitch was his accurate deep ball had gone down hill. Moreover, Russ is not done yet, Hackett is 50% of the problem at Denver Russ is about 35. I do not think a guy with his workout warrior mentality is washed up this young. The way it ended we will never get the whole story. Add to that, I am not ready for the coronation of Geno just yet. Two more games, against the Panthers and Rams, Steelers and Jets who we should beat and I am there buddy!

[idhawkman]

I like the way Geno uses our TEs and RBs in the short passing game. It makes a huge difference in extending drives and giving the D some rest while putting points on the board all game long and not just the 4th qrt. I also like that we get much fewer sacks for he same reason. E.g. The ball is gone much quicker I figure 2-3 sacks less per game than when RW was here and getting sacked because he held onto the ball too long.

[Hawktawk]

Hindsight is 20-20. And learning from history can help avoid repeating it . Pete and John are doing something here that is 180% out from what all the teams with these 50 million dollar guys were doing . In Geno AND LOCK we have a foundation for success for a fraction of the price with a fraction of the drama .

Spoken by the man who said don’t sleep on Geno I’m gonna tell you , don’t sleep on Drew Lock . Pete mentions him constantly in pressers , last week he bragged about Drew’s “ swag moments “ going up against the 1s in practice. He says he does not want Drew to have to replace Geno “ for the wrong reason “ but if he came in he would be effective .

I’ve come around on my previous view of Pete as a say anything guy . This appears to be sent as encouragement for Drew and a message to Geno to keep grinding if he wants to be qb1 next year .

Sure, but you miss the fact that Pete could have done a lot more to elongate Russ's career here. Remember a few years ago when a FG kicker missed a chip shot against us, and lost a playoff game. Pete picks him up and he misses the FG that would have given us home-field throughout the playoffs. Pete could have done way more to do what he did this year to rebuild the Oline. At the same time the defense was going into the commode Pete did nothing on that . No doubt you and River were the first to see Russ had quit running after he married Ciara. That was Russ's fast ball, what I never saw is his out pitch was his accurate deep ball had gone down hill. Moreover, Russ is not done yet, Hackett is 50% of the problem at Denver Russ is about 35. I do not think a guy with his workout warrior mentality is washed up this young. The way it ended we will never get the whole story. Add to that, I am not ready for the coronation of Geno just yet. Two more games, against the Panthers and Rams, Steelers and Jets who we should beat and I am there buddy![/quote]


Pete and John paid Russ like the best quarterback in the league several times and did what they could to put players around his enormous cap hit. Certain fans insist they ruined his career, held him back.
Russ basically said it, love it here but I want to win. As I've said hindsight is 20/20 if not better. I saw a guy lose to 3 backups last year. Go 11-29 for 141 with a pick 6 vs the rams in his last postseason game here. Now hes even worse in Denver with this whiz bang young offensive guru that was gonna unlock him. YOU ALL SAID IT!!!The dude is playing Russel rat ball like his last 5 years here, just 5 years older.
Its up to the player to "extend " his career. Ask Geno. Its work. As MRob said on GMF" you have to reinvent yourself every year.
I think there's a myth about how hard Russ works these days and it doesn't match reality. He demands and gets a trade then gets a humongous extension while flying around the globe with Ciara, Wimbledon, Monaco. Hackett had to answer questions about it. Then he skips preseason. Then he tweets "keep working" from his estate in Cabo with the #1 scoring defense and #32 scoring offense and an apparent problem getting his audibles down straight.

Russel's career trajectory is his responsibility, not Pete who is proving to be able to move the ball just fine with a garbage dumpster find. Dude will wear a wristband though, listen, credit his teammates, take ownership of his mistakes, spend his time in the weight room and film room instead of being a socialite.
You reference that missed ship shot and signing that kicker the next year. The chip shot was Blair Walsh missing from 20 something to gift Seattle the 2015 WC as Teddy Bridgewater had driven the Vikes into position to win the game. It wound up being one of 3 "wins" Russ had postseason following the 49 debacle. Bridgewater had done more than him and the LOB barely bailed us out.

I heard some revealing audio from Doug Baldwin from that Vikings game directed at Russ on the Mike Salk show yesterday. Little different picture than Russ always paints
"You need to slow the F down" Aint no Fing reason to be so fast" I need you to lead us" Like I told you before if you lead us into darkness we will be in darkness"

Then the guy gets up at some press release in Denver and says he finally has mental leaders in Denver, not all on his shoulders anymore. And people wonder why HT gets worked up.
I'm glad hes gone. We swindled Denver. I dont think Russ will ever get back to being one of the best. If he does good for him . Wait till the HT curse wears off next year. We want top 5 or better.

[Hawktawk]

I like the way Geno uses our TEs and RBs in the short passing game. It makes a huge difference in extending drives and giving the D some rest while putting points on the board all game long and not just the 4th qrt. I also like that we get much fewer sacks for he same reason. E.g. The ball is gone much quicker I figure 2-3 sacks less per game than when RW was here and getting sacked because he held onto the ball too long.

Geno reads the field pre snap very well and has an idea where he’s going with the ball pre snap or at least wants to go with it. If it’s not there he’s good at sliding around finding second options . If it collapses he takes a sack but doesn’t usually run backwards 15 yards or throw it up for grabs. Geno smith has played very well . He’s a top 10 qb this year SO FAR. We have 6 wins . Geno is 7-6 as a starter here . I love Geno but let’s see when the season is on the line . Lots of ball to play . But I love the mutt dog Geno. First on the bandwagon

[idhawkman]

Geno reads the field pre snap very well and has an idea where he’s going with the ball pre snap or at least wants to go with it. If it’s not there he’s good at sliding around finding second options . If it collapses he takes a sack but doesn’t usually run backwards 15 yards or throw it up for grabs. Geno smith has played very well . He’s a top 10 qb this year SO FAR. We have 6 wins . Geno is 7-6 as a starter here . I love Geno but let’s see when the season is on the line . Lots of ball to play . But I love the mutt dog Geno. First on the bandwagon

Geno attributes his ability to read defenses to his time backing up Rivers in San Diego. Glad he spent his time as a backup learning stuff like that. I sure hope he keeps it up because I really like what he's done so far.

[RiverDog]

Broncos go down in OT to the hapless Raiders, dropping them to 3-7. They have now lost 6 out of their last 7. There's only one other team with fewer wins, the 1-8-1 Texans, plus they still have to play the 7-3 Ravens and the 7-2 Chiefs twice. Next up for them is a road game against Carolina, perhaps the easiest game left on their schedule. If they lose that one, we might be looking at a top 3 pick and two picks in the top 35, not to mention our own picks.

Russell didn't play horribly, but he sure as hell didn't light up the scoreboard, either. He finished with a respectable 24-31 and didn't throw any picks, but he threw for just 226 yards, completed 1 pass over 25 yards, no TD's, took a couple of costly sacks, didn't engineer a TD drive after the first drive of the game. Things aren't going to get any better for him.

[Agent 86]

Broncos go down in OT to the hapless Raiders, dropping them to 3-7. They have now lost 6 out of their last 7. There's only one other team with fewer wins, the 1-8-1 Texans, plus they still have to play the 7-3 Ravens and the 7-2 Chiefs twice. Next up for them is a road game against Carolina, perhaps the easiest game left on their schedule. If they lose that one, we might be looking at a top 3 pick and two picks in the top 35, not to mention our own picks.

Russell didn't play horribly, but he sure as hell didn't light up the scoreboard, either. He finished with a respectable 24-31 and didn't throw any picks, but he threw for just 226 yards, completed 1 pass over 25 yards, no TD's, took a couple of costly sacks, didn't engineer a TD drive after the first drive of the game. Things aren't going to get any better for him.

It was nice to have this game on this afternoon with the Hawks on a bye. Vested interest in both having Denver's picks this year and for my pick em pool. Raiders came through on both fronts and that clinched the weekly win for me in my main Pickem pool. And those picks just keep on getting better. There are currently 8 teams tied with 3 wins so a real logjam ahead of the Texans being at the bottom as RD mentioned.

[RiverDog]

It was nice to have this game on this afternoon with the Hawks on a bye. Vested interest in both having Denver's picks this year and for my pick em pool. Raiders came through on both fronts and that clinched the weekly win for me in my main Pickem pool. And those picks just keep on getting better. There are currently 8 teams tied with 3 wins so a real logjam ahead of the Texans being at the bottom as RD mentioned.

Yeah, owning those draft picks gives us another horse in this race, ie anyone playing the Broncos. I actually missed the winning TD in overtime as I was preoccupied trying to get my pellet stove to fire up after I'd been following the entire game. Not complaining, though.

[Hawktawk]

Hackett throws Wilson under bus for throwing the ball out of bounds to stop the clock allowing Raiders time to tie at the end" I wanted the clock to keep running there". I guess dont call a pass play then on 3rd and long? Tell Russell I wont wear a wristband he needs to slide if it isn't there? What a mess. Officially in LAST PLACE in the division. Don't sleep on Vegas I guess...

[RiverDog]

Hackett throws Wilson under bus for throwing the ball out of bounds to stop the clock allowing Raiders time to tie at the end" I wanted the clock to keep running there". I guess dont call a pass play then on 3rd and long? Tell Russell I wont wear a wristband he needs to slide if it isn't there? What a mess. Officially in LAST PLACE in the division. Don't sleep on Vegas I guess...

It's pretty hard not to throw a player under the bus for that blunder. The Raiders didn't have any timeouts left and they were south of the 2 minute warning, so the Broncos could have ran another 40 seconds off the clock before punting. It's hard to say if that would have affected the outcome as the Raiders were back on the Denver 7 with 57 seconds left, but that's not the point. The point is that the smart move would have been to take the sack and keep the clock running, and you expect a veteran QB like Russell to have better game awareness than that.

But on the other hand, Hackett has nowhere to talk, as many poor game management decisions he's made this season. With the Chief's victory over the Chargers last night, it pretty much takes the Broncos out of the divisional title hunt, and there's 4 teams in the conference with at least a 3 game lead on them for a wild card.

You're right, they're a mess, and it will be interesting to see what happens in the coming months.

[RiverDog]

Here's a good take on the issue of Russell throwing away a pass on 3rd and 10, ball on their own 34, leading by 3 and under two minutes with the Raiders out of timeouts and stopping the clock, instead of taking the sack. There are also some other comments about the state of the Broncos, Hackett, and Russell:

Wilson threw incomplete on third down. He wasn't even close to a target and it looked like he might be throwing it away. Even if Hackett gave up play-calling duties this past week, someone has to let Wilson know that a sack in that spot isn’t bad. Wilson is a veteran, and he has to know better. A sack would have run 40 seconds off the clock. In hindsight, the Broncos should have just run up the middle. At least burning 40 seconds off the clock would have done something positive for their chances to win.

https://sports.yahoo.com/after-miserabl ... 23139.html

The play was right after the timeout for the 2 minute warning, so you would think that would have been part of the discussion on the sidelines, that the priority was to keep the clock running and only throw if his receiver was wide open. You might be able to excuse him if he were throwing into a tight window as a first down would have won the game for them, but from the sounds of it, he was throwing the ball away to avoid a sack.

It's getting harder and harder to explain what's going on with Russell.

[Hawktawk]

It’s been going on and getting worse since mid 2020- obviously more success but his trajectory is more like McNabb then msnning . A stud at 32 . On his last legs and an absolute mess 2 years later after a big contract . Wilson of course signed what’s called the worst contract in pro sports . Run around freelance guys don’t last as long , especially short guys . He’s olded out . Hit too much .

[Hawktawk]

Denver fans flooded the exits when the game went to OT. It’s not the first time either . They were leaving in the 4th quarter of the Texans game and think about that . One of Denver’s wins was a squeaker over the Texans .
Bad

[RiverDog]

It’s been going on and getting worse since mid 2020- obviously more success but his trajectory is more like McNabb then msnning . A stud at 32 . On his last legs and an absolute mess 2 years later after a big contract . Wilson of course signed what’s called the worst contract in pro sports . Run around freelance guys don’t last as long , especially short guys . He’s olded out . Hit too much .

I don't think 'being hit too much' explains it.

I haven't actually seen the pass that they're referring to as I was watching Red Zone which didn't show the play and the Broncos-Raiders game wasn't part of that which was available in our market so I don't have it recorded, but you have to take the word of those that were there that he didn't have much of a chance of completing that pass. Did Russell think otherwise that he could complete it and thus end the game, or did he simply forget about the game situation, that keeping the clock running by taking a sack was preferrable to an incompletion?

In any event, it's been a very remarkable demise for a man once considered by many to be a slam dunk first ballot HOF'er. If his name were Taylor Heinicke or Davis Mills, he'd been benched long ago.

[RiverDog]

Denver fans flooded the exits when the game went to OT. It’s not the first time either . They were leaving in the 4th quarter of the Texans game and think about that . One of Denver’s wins was a squeaker over the Texans .
Bad

Yeah, but they also beat the Niners, so go figure.

There's no doubt that Denver's fans are livid. My guess is that Hackett doesn't finish the season.

[Hawktawk]

It’s been going on and getting worse since mid 2020- obviously more success but his trajectory is more like McNabb then msnning . A stud at 32 . On his last legs and an absolute mess 2 years later after a big contract . Wilson of course signed what’s called the worst contract in pro sports . Run around freelance guys don’t last as long , especially short guys . He’s olded out . Hit too much .

“I don't think 'being hit too much' explains it.

I haven't actually seen the pass that they're referring to as I was watching Red Zone which didn't show the play and the Broncos-Raiders game wasn't part of that which was available in our market so I don't have it recorded, but you have to take the word of those that were there that he didn't have much of a chance of completing that pass. Did Russell think otherwise that he could complete it and thus end the game, or did he simply forget about the game situation, that keeping the clock running by taking a sack was preferrable to an incompletion?

In any event, it's been a very remarkable demise for a man once considered by many to be a slam dunk first ballot HOF'er. If his name were Taylor Heinicke or Davis Mills, he'd been benched long ago.[/quote]

Most guys careers end when they get hit too much or hit and hurt like luck . QBs who are hit too much see the rush instead of the field . They feel pressure that isn’t there . They start throwing it up without situational awareness , running out of the pocket into sacks instead of climbing the pocket , stepping into thr throw and taking the hit . Geno routinely does that and maybe because he’s got 3 seasons of hits .

Accuracy drops . Scoring tanks . They wind up backup or often retired as they have often been paid well enough to walk away . Russ has been sacked far more than anyone in his first 10 years . A lot on him . But he was none of the hit too much symptoms described above the first 8 years of his career . Kurt Warner is the only star I ever saw get hit too much and pull out of it in AZ . If Russ continues spinning out his HOF chances are over . I’d not have thought it possible 2 years ago .

[RiverDog]

Most guys careers end when they get hit too much or hit and hurt like luck . QBs who are hit too much see the rush instead of the field . They feel pressure that isn’t there . They start throwing it up without situational awareness , running out of the pocket into sacks instead of climbing the pocket , stepping into thr throw and taking the hit . Geno routinely does that and maybe because he’s got 3 seasons of hits .

Accuracy drops . Scoring tanks . They wind up backup or often retired as they have often been paid well enough to walk away . Russ has been sacked far more than anyone in his first 10 years . A lot on him . But he was none of the hit too much symptoms described above the first 8 years of his career . Kurt Warner is the only star I ever saw get hit too much and pull out of it in AZ . If Russ continues spinning out his HOF chances are over . I’d not have thought it possible 2 years ago .

That explains his not seeing open receivers or mismanaging the pocket, but it doesn't explain the obvious brain fart yesterday where he was unaware of the game situation.

[TriCitySam]

Well, one thing is very present: Russ doesn't move as well as he used to. He can't scramble and make backyard plays like he used to, he gets sacked or tackled for no gain. The other part of that, is because he can't move as well, he doesn't find the throwing lanes - as we know, he's not the tallest and if he doesn't move around, he misses open guys. It APPEARED Russ was wearing a wristband yesterday He had a higher completion rate, but bottom line: they only put up 16 points, and were 3/12 on third down.

Interesting article: https://denverfan.com/2101777/stubborn- ... ett-fired/

[Hawktawk]

Most guys careers end when they get hit too much or hit and hurt like luck . QBs who are hit too much see the rush instead of the field . They feel pressure that isn’t there . They start throwing it up without situational awareness , running out of the pocket into sacks instead of climbing the pocket , stepping into thr throw and taking the hit . Geno routinely does that and maybe because he’s got 3 seasons of hits .

Accuracy drops . Scoring tanks . They wind up backup or often retired as they have often been paid well enough to walk away . Russ has been sacked far more than anyone in his first 10 years . A lot on him . But he was none of the hit too much symptoms described above the first 8 years of his career . Kurt Warner is the only star I ever saw get hit too much and pull out of it in AZ . If Russ continues spinning out his HOF chances are over . I’d not have thought it possible 2 years ago .

“ That explains his not seeing open receivers or mismanaging the pocket, but it doesn't explain the obvious brain fart yesterday where he was unaware of the game situation.[/quote]

He’s been doing it for 2 seasons . Taking 2 horrible sacks , 1 that took us out of chip shot FG range to ice the bears game . Blowing a hot read that was to his strong side vs Az . Running himself into a sack on the 1 vs Tennessee with a wide open homer on the right sideline all alone jumping up and down waving his arms . All he saw was the edge guy coming free .
He’s toast . I’ll stand corrected as always if needed . I hope he doesn’t figure it out this year for sure .

[TriCitySam]

[ hope he doesn’t figure it out this year for sure .

Probably in here somewhere, but if they could've scored 18 points a game, Denver would be 9-1.

[mykc14]

Probably in here somewhere, but if they could've scored 18 points a game, Denver would be 9-1.

Yeah I heard that this morning. That is a crazy stat (although I think it was 19, but it doesn't really matter either way). At just 19 points a game they would be the 24th highest scoring offense in the league that isn't too much to ask when you have a QB you are paying that much. The Denver offense is pathetic. Then Russ goes on to say that maybe it would be better if they just got their butts kicked instead of losing all of these close games. Russ, the only reason you haven't got your butt whipped is because your defense is playing lights out. That has got to piss some defensive players off in that locker room.

[RiverDog]

Yeah I heard that this morning. That is a crazy stat (although I think it was 19, but it doesn't really matter either way). At just 19 points a game they would be the 24th highest scoring offense in the league that isn't too much to ask when you have a QB you are paying that much. The Denver offense is pathetic. Then Russ goes on to say that maybe it would be better if they just got their butts kicked instead of losing all of these close games. Russ, the only reason you haven't got your butt whipped is because your defense is playing lights out. That has got to piss some defensive players off in that locker room.

I got to defend Russell a little bit. I saw that interview, and to me, Russell made that comment tongue-in-cheek, said it with a bit of a grin and a little chuckle. He wasn't being serious. That's the problem when he's in the predicament he's in. Everything and anything he says in these interviews is taken out of context and twisted to fit a particular narrative. And as far as the defense goes, he went out of his way to compliment them.

Here's the interview, decide for yourselves:

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=ru ... &FORM=VIRE

But I do agree that there has to be some friction in that locker room. No one likes to lose, and the Donkeys have lost 6 out of their last 7 games, and Russell has been the primary cause.

[c_hawkbob]

Losing has been the primary cause. There's always friction in a losing locker room.

[RiverDog]

Losing has been the primary cause. There's always friction in a losing locker room.

I should have said that Russell was the primary cause for losing, or at least he's the one that's most responsible. I think it's a fair assumption that Russell might be having some problems in that locker room.

[I-5]

Those tidbits like 'if they could've scored 18 points a game, Denver would be 9-1', don't take into account game strategy of the opposing team. If Denver did score more points, it would affect how aggressively the other team goes about getting points, too. I get it, but.

[RiverDog]

Those tidbits like 'if they could've scored 18 points a game, Denver would be 9-1', don't take into account game strategy of the opposing team. If Denver did score more points, it would affect how aggressively the other team goes about getting points, too. I get it, but.

Oh, I completely agree. It's one of those "if your aunt had balls, she'd be your uncle" things, and why I qualified it by saying it was one particular POV.

[Hawktawk]

[ hope he doesn’t figure it out this year for sure .

Probably in here somewhere, but if they could've scored 18 points a game, Denver would be 9-1.[/quote]

Saw that . Incredible . It’s the first time in the modern era a team has been -#1 in scoring defense and last in scoring . Last time was a team from Pittsburgh in the 40s . Had we scored what Geno averaged in relief last year 20 we would have won 10 games I believe . We went 0-5 in 3 point games last year .