OT Santa Clara's new LB drawing criticism

[monkey]

"Thought an organization with 5 Super Bowl titles would have a stricter draft criteria. Clearly, integrity & character are not a priority," -South Florida head strength and conditioning coach Hans Straub

http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/south-florida-strength-coach-critical-49ers-draft-pick

Hans is seeing what has been obvious for some time now, the Niners DON'T care, not one little bit, about integrity and character.

[NorthHawk]

He was a 5th round pick with a lot of potential and the 49ers had a large number to spend, so for them it was probably a good gamble.
If he has cleaned up his life and has focus, he could be a home run.
I'm not sure if he has it in him to change, but from their viewpoint, I can see the reasoning.

[monkey]

NorthHawk...dude...you're ruining it!


Seriously though, of course I can see the reasoning as well, I just didn't want to miss an opportunity to poke fun of the Niners, and potentially rile up any Niners trolls.

[NorthHawk]

My apologies for cramping the Mo Jo.
I think the 9ers are going to be a lot tougher this year.

[RiverDog]

The thread went 4 posts without anyone saying it, so I'll go ahead and say it:

Beyond reproach in everything we do.

[monkey]

Hahaha! Thanks Riverdog, I was WAITING for someone to say it!

Geez you guys, I set it up...I threw you a freaking softball...

[Hawktawk]

I like how Hairball said he needed some structure and some guys around him that are good role models to look up to. He'll probably room with Aldon during minicamp LMAO. The 9ers suck balls. They are going down.

[RiverDog]

Hahaha! Thanks Riverdog, I was WAITING for someone to say it!

Geez you guys, I set it up...I threw you a freaking softball...

So what did I win?

[Futureite]

I like how Hairball said he needed some structure and some guys around him that are good role models to look up to. He'll probably room with Aldon during minicamp LMAO. The 9ers suck balls. They are going down.

Hyperbole at its finest! Let's call the whole group character flawed because of 2 or 3 guys and forget Justin Smith, Gore, Bowman, Staley, Boldin, Willis, etc. There is absolutely no structure, character of professional pros to look up to on this team.

I bit . Made it easy for you lol.

[RiverDog]

I like how Hairball said he needed some structure and some guys around him that are good role models to look up to. He'll probably room with Aldon during minicamp LMAO. The 9ers suck balls. They are going down.

Hyperbole at its finest! Let's call the whole group character flawed because of 2 or 3 guys and forget Justin Smith, Gore, Bowman, Staley, Boldin, Willis, etc. There is absolutely no structure, character of professional pros to look up to on this team.

I bit . Made it easy for you lol.

Not the whole group. Just your head coach.

[Hawktawk]

I like how Hairball said he needed some structure and some guys around him that are good role models to look up to. He'll probably room with Aldon during minicamp LMAO. The 9ers suck balls. They are going down.

Hyperbole at its finest! Let's call the whole group character flawed because of 2 or 3 guys and forget Justin Smith, Gore, Bowman, Staley, Boldin, Willis, etc. There is absolutely no structure, character of professional pros to look up to on this team.

I bit . Made it easy for you lol.

Not the whole group. Just your head coach.

No kidding RD! $h!+ flows downhill. It starts with Mr. Hairball who proclaimed Aldon Smith good to go on Sunday just a few hrs after the guy stacked up his rig at 7:30 AM Sat morning completely blotto. He's a ruthless egomaniac who will look past anything to win. Future cant have it both ways. A chain is only as strong as its weak link, and when it is your coach, your best defender, and your QB that's not a real example of character guys.Its the blind leading the blind.

[Futureite]

Not the whole group. Just your head coach.[/quote]
No kidding RD! $h!+ flows downhill. It starts with Mr. Hairball who proclaimed Aldon Smith good to go on Sunday just a few hrs after the guy stacked up his rig at 7:30 AM Sat morning completely blotto. He's a ruthless egomaniac who will look past anything to win. Future cant have it both ways. A chain is only as strong as its weak link, and when it is your coach, your best defender, and your QB that's not a real example of character guys.Its the blind leading the blind.[/quote]

It does flow downhill. USC scrutinized for shooting up its players at halftime, Seahawk players suspended for adderal. And yes, we all know the unfisclosed substance was more than a joint. Hense Shernan's 1,000 mile an.hour rant after the Pats' game.

Pete Carrol mocks Jets' head coach 20 yrs ago at the end of a game with a choke sign. Richard Sherman mocks a QB at rhe end of a game with a choke sign.

Ol' Pete pushin' the boundries at USC and bolts amid sanctions. Ol' Pete's dbs pushing the boundries on nearly every play, keeping he sewing machine indusrty strong with tears in receiver's jerseys around the league.

I put on my big boy pants though and could care less about any of it. It's a game and winners don't play nice. But as many times as "beyond reproach" is quoted here, you should know not to throw bricks.

Then again, it is your site. Bombs away .

[HumanCockroach]

Seems to me the bricks were thrown this way, don't remember anyone saying anything about Santa Clara before the unprovoked stone from the glass house by Mr. Harbaugh, do you? Well, nope there wasn't. In fact, we had to listen to a bunch of nonsense and still do to be quite honest about "cheating" , you just did so yourself ( and did so in the past as well, again, UNPROVOKED) . This is on your coach, you can't cope with it, I'm not sure what to tell you... maybe tell Jimmy to keep his mouth shut in regards to another team, OR you can skip telling us how "smart" it was by him to "get in the heads of Seattle" like Phil Jackson. NOW you want to b!tech when it is thrown back in your face, NOW you want to ignore the hypocrisy of it, but you know what? NOW it's to late, that UNPROVOKED insult, will follow him everywhere he goes, for the REST of his career, and he should have been smart enough to know it. Media, Pundits and fans ( and no that isn't just Seahawks fans) will bring it up EVERY time he selects a player with a checkered past, everytime a player shoots at people, wraps his vehicle around something, assaults someone gets popped for any type of drug, or any type of dirty play, and on and on and on. You can not like it, but I recommend you get USED to it, for at least as long as he is your coach, because it ain't going away, in his career....sucks for you, him and his teams, but you throw the first stone in this world from your glass house, you're not going tobe standing in a house very long.

[Zorn76]

Meh.
It is what it is.
I don't blame SF for drafting the kid. If he remains an idiot, they just cut him.

Nothing is shocking when it comes to the NFL, really.

[monkey]

Not the whole group. Just your head coach.

No kidding RD! $h!+ flows downhill. It starts with Mr. Hairball who proclaimed Aldon Smith good to go on Sunday just a few hrs after the guy stacked up his rig at 7:30 AM Sat morning completely blotto. He's a ruthless egomaniac who will look past anything to win. Future cant have it both ways. A chain is only as strong as its weak link, and when it is your coach, your best defender, and your QB that's not a real example of character guys.Its the blind leading the blind.[/quote]

It does flow downhill. USC scrutinized for shooting up its players at halftime, Seahawk players suspended for adderal. And yes, we all know the unfisclosed substance was more than a joint. Hense Shernan's 1,000 mile an.hour rant after the Pats' game.

Pete Carrol mocks Jets' head coach 20 yrs ago at the end of a game with a choke sign. Richard Sherman mocks a QB at rhe end of a game with a choke sign.

Ol' Pete pushin' the boundries at USC and bolts amid sanctions. Ol' Pete's dbs pushing the boundries on nearly every play, keeping he sewing machine indusrty strong with tears in receiver's jerseys around the league.

I put on my big boy pants though and could care less about any of it. It's a game and winners don't play nice. But as many times as "beyond reproach" is quoted here, you should know not to throw bricks.

Then again, it is your site. Bombs away .[/quote]

Mission accomplished.

[HumanCockroach]

Suppose even if Futures claims were all true ( which I certainly question) I'ld rather have some players taking performance enhancing drugs to increase their play, then some endangering the lives of innocent people. Just my view on that idea. Would you rather have a player on HGH or a player driving his vehicle high through a play ground? Seems like a pretty simple answer in my mind, but I suppose, for others it might be difficult to see.

[Futureite]

Seems to me the bricks were thrown this way, don't remember anyone saying anything about Santa Clara before the unprovoked stone from the glass house by Mr. Harbaugh, do you? Well, nope there wasn't. In fact, we had to listen to a bunch of nonsense and still do to be quite honest about "cheating" , you just did so yourself ( and did so in the past as well, again, UNPROVOKED) . This is on your coach, you can't cope with it, I'm not sure what to tell you... maybe tell Jimmy to keep his mouth shut in regards to another team, OR you can skip telling us how "smart" it was by him to "get in the heads of Seattle" like Phil Jackson. NOW you want to b!tech when it is thrown back in your face, NOW you want to ignore the hypocrisy of it, but you know what? NOW it's to late, that UNPROVOKED insult, will follow him everywhere he goes, for the REST of his career, and he should have been smart enough to know it. Media, Pundits and fans ( and no that isn't just Seahawks fans) will bring it up EVERY time he selects a player with a checkered past, everytime a player shoots at people, wraps his vehicle around something, assaults someone gets popped for any type of drug, or any type of dirty play, and on and on and on. You can not like it, but I recommend you get USED to it, for at least as long as he is your coach, because it ain't going away, in his career....sucks for you, him and his teams, but you throw the first stone in this world from your glass house, you're not going tobe standing in a house very long.

Lol I could care less about any of what Carroll has done. Well, other than the holding which bothered me that entire Thursday night game. That bugged me watching it at the time. But not now.

And I don't care about Aldon Snith's DUIs anymore than I cared about the countless friends in college that got them. I still think some of your were just irked at JH's comment and will forever be fixated on proving his shoddy character by using these analogies that are completely off point. Hey, fans F with Niner fans about any and everything, constantly. Relevant or not. I've been use to this since about age 10. So no, I wouldn't expect that to change.

[HumanCockroach]

Which for some reason doesn't surprise me in the least.

[Futureite]

Which for some reason doesn't surprise me in the least.

The act of casting judgment is worse than most of the acts that you judge. You get caught up in worrying about other people's problems and you'll neglect your own.

[RiverDog]

Lol I could care less about any of what Carroll has done. Well, other than the holding which bothered me that entire Thursday night game. That bugged me watching it at the time. But not now.

And I don't care about Aldon Snith's DUIs anymore than I cared about the countless friends in college that got them. I still think some of your were just irked at JH's comment and will forever be fixated on proving his shoddy character by using these analogies that are completely off point. Hey, fans F with Niner fans about any and everything, constantly. Relevant or not. I've been use to this since about age 10. So no, I wouldn't expect that to change.

There's really no "proving" that has to be done. It's a well documented phrase Harbaugh was using to describe the way he ran his football team and was comparing his methods and his players with those of his chief rival.

Anytime anybody uses limitless words like "everything", "always", "never", or some other unqualified term, they're opening themselves up to the type of criticism Harbaugh has received. Pete Carroll has done the same thing, such as in one of his patented, buzz word catch phrases "always compete", and I've taken a shot or two at him for not always living up to that motto. All it takes is one anomaly and someone out there will find it and use it against you to label you a hypocrite. But what separates Harbaugh from Carroll is that Harbaugh was making a poor attempt to do a bit of trash talking and directed it specifically against an arch rival as well as a personal rival of his in Pete Carroll. That's what makes him a "shoddy character", and very little if any effort has to be made to "prove it" because he and the Niners accommodate us on what at times seems to be a weekly basis.

I realize that our constant regurgitation of that remark to a 49'ers fan like yourself is as old and nauseous as a months old newspaper, but you might as well get used to it. Some of us Hawks fans have a long memory, and anytime anything that happens with Harbaugh's 49'ers that can possibly be linked to that very unfortunate remark, you're going to hear about it. The Democrats spent 4 years taunting George Bush 41 for his No New Taxes pledge, I suspect Harbaugh will have to spend at least that much time having to live down his "beyond reproach in everything we do" declaration.

[Futureite]

Lol I could care less about any of what Carroll has done. Well, other than the holding which bothered me that entire Thursday night game. That bugged me watching it at the time. But not now.

And I don't care about Aldon Snith's DUIs anymore than I cared about the countless friends in college that got them. I still think some of your were just irked at JH's comment and will forever be fixated on proving his shoddy character by using these analogies that are completely off point. Hey, fans F with Niner fans about any and everything, constantly. Relevant or not. I've been use to this since about age 10. So no, I wouldn't expect that to change.

There's really no "proving" that has to be done. It's a well documented phrase Harbaugh was using to describe the way he ran his football team and was comparing his methods and his players with those of his chief rival.

Anytime anybody uses limitless words like "everything", "always", "never", or some other unqualified term, they're opening themselves up to the type of criticism Harbaugh has received. Pete Carroll has done the same thing, such as in one of his patented, buzz word catch phrases "always compete", and I've taken a shot or two at him for not always living up to that motto. All it takes is one anomaly and someone out there will find it and use it against you to label you a hypocrite. But what separates Harbaugh from Carroll is that Harbaugh was making a poor attempt to do a bit of trash talking and directed it specifically against an arch rival as well as a personal rival of his in Pete Carroll. That's what makes him a "shoddy character", and very little if any effort has to be made to "prove it" because he and the Niners accommodate us on what at times seems to be a weekly basis.

I realize that our constant regurgitation of that remark to a 49'ers fan like yourself is as old and nauseous as a months old newspaper, but you might as well get used to it. Some of us Hawks fans have a long memory, and anytime anything that
happens with Harbaugh's 49'ers that can possibly be linked to that very unfortunate remark, you're going to hear about it. The Democrats spent 4 years taunting George Bush 41 for his No New Taxes pledge, I suspect Harbaugh will have to spend at least that much time having to live down his "beyond reproach in everything we do" declaration.

Lol okay. I guess you guys will continue then. I just don't see the correlation between what a grown man does off the field - completely unrelated to football - and the head coach's character. I really don't and in.my.opinion it is a stretch to make that leap to say the least. You can try to tell a grown man not to drink at 1 a.m and drive, but even as I type that it sounds ridiculous.

On the other hand as much as you hate to hear this, I do think Pete Carroll knew about his players using PEDs and quite possibly even promoted it. As I posted, USC's players came out not too long ago and claimed Kiffen had them.getting shots at halftime of some substance that supposedly amped them up. I fully belueve Sherman was on Adderal in the Pats' 2012 game, and long before this came out I thought he was on something in his postgame rant to your local reporter that day. It's hard to believe that Carroll was not involved on some level.

I could see all of this bothering JH to the point of making the infamous comment. You can sat what you want about Harbaugh being a "douche" or his players being "thugs", but he's (A) never been sanctioned for anything and (B) never had a player retained that was busted for any PED on his watch. Carroll has po'd a lot of people in his time - not just JH. He didn't have too many fans outside of USC. I think a lot of people wanted to shoot him down, but few could. In my opinion the counter argument is really weak - we have a LB and a CB with legal problems. Let me know when we are talking about something related to football.

Let me make it clear that I personally have no issues with Carroll's past, the PEDs or anything else. But if the debate is in football coach's manner of conducting business, Carroll is several points behind most coaches - not just JH. Lol and I know you guys hate that as seriously as you take the whole player/coach character thing (why??), but the scorecard is what of it is. And "everything", "always" or the like in this case most definitely refers to the business of running a football team.

[Futureite]

Lol I could care less about any of what Carroll has done. Well, other than the holding which bothered me that entire Thursday night game. That bugged me watching it at the time. But not now.

And I don't care about Aldon Snith's DUIs anymore than I cared about the countless friends in college that got them. I still think some of your were just irked at JH's comment and will forever be fixated on proving his shoddy character by using these analogies that are completely off point. Hey, fans F with Niner fans about any and everything, constantly. Relevant or not. I've been use to this since about age 10. So no, I wouldn't expect that to change.

There's really no "proving" that has to be done. It's a well documented phrase Harbaugh was using to describe the way he ran his football team and was comparing his methods and his players with those of his chief rival.

Anytime anybody uses limitless words like "everything", "always", "never", or some other unqualified term, they're opening themselves up to the type of criticism Harbaugh has received. Pete Carroll has done the same thing, such as in one of his patented, buzz word catch phrases "always compete", and I've taken a shot or two at him for not always living up to that motto. All it takes is one anomaly and someone out there will find it and use it against you to label you a hypocrite. But what separates Harbaugh from Carroll is that Harbaugh was making a poor attempt to do a bit of trash talking and directed it specifically against an arch rival as well as a personal rival of his in Pete Carroll. That's what makes him a "shoddy character", and very little if any effort has to be made to "prove it" because he and the Niners accommodate us on what at times seems to be a weekly basis.

I realize that our constant regurgitation of that remark to a 49'ers fan like yourself is as old and nauseous as a months old newspaper, but you might as well get used to it. Some of us Hawks fans have a long memory, and anytime anything that happens with Harbaugh's 49'ers that can possibly be linked to that very unfortunate remark, you're going to hear about it. The Democrats spent 4 years taunting George Bush 41 for his No New Taxes pledge, I suspect Harbaugh will have to spend at least that much time having to live down his "beyond reproach in everything we do" declaration.

These debates do not bother you, do they? I mean, I am not being overly sarcastic or dismissive of your points, right? I just disagree. Sometimes I can see why I tick people off here. I am trying to recognize when and how I do it, because that is not my goal. Ok sometimes I go overboard and act like an A-hole, but I am trying to change that too. I honestly see your point on thus. The ultra logical side of me disagrees though. I see it as business V personal. The two not being connected.

[RiverDog]

I guess you guys will continue then. I just don't see the correlation between what a grown man does off the field - completely unrelated to football - and the head coach's character. I really don't and in.my.opinion it is a stretch to make that leap to say the least. You can try to tell a grown man not to drink at 1 a.m and drive, but even as I type that it sounds ridiculous.

On the other hand as much as you hate to hear this, I do think Pete Carroll knew about his players using PEDs and quite possibly even promoted it. As I posted, USC's players came out not too long ago and claimed Kiffen had them.getting shots at halftime of some substance that supposedly amped them up. I fully belueve Sherman was on Adderal in the Pats' 2012 game, and long before this came out I thought he was on something in his postgame rant to your local reporter that day. It's hard to believe that Carroll was not involved on some level.

I could see all of this bothering JH to the point of making the infamous comment. You can sat what you want about Harbaugh being a "douche" or his players being "thugs", but he's (A) never been sanctioned for anything and (B) never had a player retained that was busted for any PED on his watch. Carroll has po'd a lot of people in his time - not just JH. He didn't have too many fans outside of USC. I think a lot of people wanted to shoot him down, but few could. In my opinion the counter argument is really weak - we have a LB and a CB with legal problems. Let me know when we are talking about something related to football.

Let me make it clear that I personally have no issues with Carroll's past, the PEDs or anything else. But if the debate is in football coach's manner of conducting business, Carroll is several points behind most coaches - not just JH. Lol and I know you guys hate that as seriously as you take the whole player/coach character thing (why??), but the scorecard is what of it is. And "everything", "always" or the like in this case most definitely refers to the business of running a football team.

I'm not sure why you would think that I would "hate to hear" that Pete Carroll cheated at USC. I've been one of Pete's most vocal critics in this forum, in particular about his time at USC, and even the most hard core defender of his has to admit that at the very least, he ran a loose ship down there, so it wouldn't surprise me in the least if it were some day revealed that PED use went on during his tenure. One of his star LB's, Brian Cushing, was busted for PED use early on when he got to Houston, so it doesn't require too much of a stretch of the imagination to think that there was a culture of anything goes on that campus.

But that's where I'll stop. Until I see some evidence, of which you have produced absolutely nothing, I'm not going to accuse PC of knowing about PED use if it did exist or worse yet, accuse him of encouraging it as you have done.

Besides, whether or not there was PED using going on at USC, how many people Pete's pissed off in his career, or even PED use in the Seahawk locker room, isn't the point. Pete's not the one that came out in public and claim that he and/or his players are as pure as the wind driven snow and by implication, that the other guy is not. No, that was Jim Harbaugh, and until you can come up with a like quote or statement that Pete made, you're grasping for straws if you think you can justify Harbaugh's well documented quote with any of this unsubstantiated speculative garbage of yours.

[Futureite]

I guess you guys will continue then. I just don't see the correlation between what a grown man does off the field - completely unrelated to football - and the head coach's character. I really don't and in.my.opinion it is a stretch to make that leap to say the least. You can try to tell a grown man not to drink at 1 a.m and drive, but even as I type that it sounds ridiculous.

On the other hand as much as you hate to hear this, I do think Pete Carroll knew about his players using PEDs and quite possibly even promoted it. As I posted, USC's players came out not too long ago and claimed Kiffen had them.getting shots at halftime of some substance that supposedly amped them up. I fully belueve Sherman was on Adderal in the Pats' 2012 game, and long before this came out I thought he was on something in his postgame rant to your local reporter that day. It's hard to believe that Carroll was not involved on some level.

I could see all of this bothering JH to the point of making the infamous comment. You can sat what you want about Harbaugh being a "douche" or his players being "thugs", but he's (A) never been sanctioned for anything and (B) never had a player retained that was busted for any PED on his watch. Carroll has po'd a lot of people in his time - not just JH. He didn't have too many fans outside of USC. I think a lot of people wanted to shoot him down, but few could. In my opinion the counter argument is really weak - we have a LB and a CB with legal problems. Let me know when we are talking about something related to football.

Let me make it clear that I personally have no issues with Carroll's past, the PEDs or anything else. But if the debate is in football coach's manner of conducting business, Carroll is several points behind most coaches - not just JH. Lol and I know you guys hate that as seriously as you take the whole player/coach character thing (why??), but the scorecard is what of it is. And "everything", "always" or the like in this case most definitely refers to the business of running a football team.

I'm not sure why you would think that I would "hate to hear" that Pete Carroll cheated at USC. I've been one of Pete's most vocal critics in this forum, in particular about his time at USC, and even the most hard core defender of his has to admit that at the very least, he ran a loose ship down there, so it wouldn't surprise me in the least if it were some day revealed that PED use went on during his tenure. One of his star LB's, Brian Cushing, was busted for PED use early on when he got to Houston, so it doesn't require too much of a stretch of the imagination to think that there was a culture of anything goes on that campus.

But that's where I'll stop. Until I see some evidence, of which you have produced absolutely nothing, I'm not going to accuse PC of knowing about PED use if it did exist or worse yet, accuse him of encouraging it as you have done.

Besides, whether or not there was PED using going on at USC, how many people Pete's pissed off in his career, or even PED use in the Seahawk locker room, isn't the point. Pete's not the one that came out in public and claim that he and/or his players are as pure as the wind driven snow and by implication, that the other guy is not. No, that was Jim Harbaugh, and until you can come up with a like quote or statement that Pete made, you're grasping for straws if you think you can justify Harbaugh's well documented quote with any of this unsubstantiated speculative garbage of yours.

You make some more good points. You aee always very balanced and even in your opinions. I appreciate that. And I agree that what JH said was childish and provacative. My views on a lot of things tend to stray away from the norm, and I admit that my perception of these events may be wrong.

[HumanCockroach]

Which for some reason doesn't surprise me in the least.

The act of casting judgment is worse than most of the acts that you judge. You get caught up in worrying about other people's problems and you'll neglect your own.

I wonder Future, would you care if it was a loved one run over or shot by a player such as Smith?I'm not going to feel bad about judging a person who endangers the lives of innocent people with their recklessness. At some point you cross over that bridge, and have to accept the judgements doled out. You don't care that a player ( hell a PERSON) is a threat to take a life of a little girl or boy on their way to school, than that's your own uneducated stupidity, not mine. You can attempt to twist it, but I think as a whole, no one is going to agree that taking adderall, or HGH is on par with shooting a gun into a crowd or driving while high and drunk .

[Futureite]

Which for some reason doesn't surprise me in the least.

The act of casting judgment is worse than most of the acts that you judge. You get caught up in worrying about other people's problems and you'll neglect your own.

I wonder Future, would you care if it was a loved one run over or shot by a player such as Smith?I'm not going to feel bad about judging a person who endangers the lives of innocent people with their recklessness. At some point you cross over that bridge, and have to accept the judgements doled out. You don't care that a player ( hell a PERSON) is a threat to take a life of a little girl or boy on their way to school, than that's your own uneducated stupidity, not mine. You can attempt to twist it, but I think as a whole, no one is going to agree that taking adderall, or HGH is on par with shooting a gun into a crowd or driving while high and drunk .

It's not that I don't care about the crime, it's that I don't care to judge the induvidual who committed the crime. You were nit there. There are various recounts of what happened at that party, but none of them indicate any intent on Aldon's part to hurt anyone. The way some people have twisted this to demonize him demonstrates as much about their character as his.

You can say what you want, but I am much more offended by Richard Sherman's going after so many people on an intensely personal level. The difference is, he genuinely intends to hurt other people. You can talk until you're blue in the face about charity and college degrees, but at the end of the day he does not handle anything with the slightest degree of class and he insults people left and right with no one but himself in mind. It's not my position to say he is a "good" or "bad" person, but I find it ironic how vehemently you back him. I am much mire apt to back a guy like M. Lynch, who despite his legal troubles seems like a soft spoken, sensitive guy with good intentions. I actually loved his responses at SB media day - "I don't know boss, I just hope we win".

[RiverDog]

It's not that I don't care about the crime, it's that I don't care to judge the induvidual who committed the crime. You were nit there. There are various recounts of what happened at that party, but none of them indicate any intent on Aldon's part to hurt anyone. The way some people have twisted this to demonize him demonstrates as much about their character as his.

You can say what you want, but I am much more offended by Richard Sherman's going after so many people on an I.tensely personal level. The difference is, he genuinely intends to hurt other people. You can talk until your blue in the face about charity and college degrees, but at the end of the day he does not handle anything with the slightest degree of class and he insults people left and right with no one but himself in mind. It's not my position to say he is a "good" or "bad" person, but I find it ironic how vehemently you back him. I am much mire apt to back a guy like M. Lynch, who despite his legal troubles seems like a soft spoken, sensitive guy with good intentions. I actually loved his responses at SB media day - "I don't know boss, I just hope we win".

Certainly intent is a big factor in our judgments, as well as the law's judgment, of individuals. But it's not the only factor. There's such a thing as responsible behavior that's just as if not more important as intent, and it is this lack of responsible behavior that we've seen over and over again with Aldon Smith.

I'll leave it to HC to rip you a new one for your comparison of Richard Sherman to Aldon Smith. I'm a little short of time this afternoon. Besides, his rants are a lot more fun to read than mine.

[Futureite]

It's not that I don't care about the crime, it's that I don't care to judge the induvidual who committed the crime. You were nit there. There are various recounts of what happened at that party, but none of them indicate any intent on Aldon's part to hurt anyone. The way some people have twisted this to demonize him demonstrates as much about their character as his.

You can say what you want, but I am much more offended by Richard Sherman's going after so many people on an I.tensely personal level. The difference is, he genuinely intends to hurt other people. You can talk until your blue in the face about charity and college degrees, but at the end of the day he does not handle anything with the slightest degree of class and he insults people left and right with no one but himself in mind. It's not my position to say he is a "good" or "bad" person, but I find it ironic how vehemently you back him. I am much mire apt to back a guy like M. Lynch, who despite his legal troubles seems like a soft spoken, sensitive guy with good intentions. I actually loved his responses at SB media day - "I don't know boss, I just hope we win".

Certainly intent is a big factor in our judgments, as well as the law's judgment, of individuals. But it's not the only factor. There's such a thing as responsible behavior that's just as if not more important as intent, and it is this lack of responsible behavior that we've seen over and over again with Aldon Smith.

I'll leave it to HC to rip you a new one for your comparison of Richard Sherman to Aldon Smith. I'm a little short of time this afternoon. Besides, his rants are a lot more fun to read than mine.

Who compared Richard Sherman to Aldon Smith? It wasn't me. A lot of people celebrate rhis guy's poor sportsmanship, his obnoxious attitude, his demeaning of other people and his self promotion. That's a fact. Nowhere did I equate any of that behavior to the potential felony gun possession or DUI's that Aldon faces. The point is, you (general sense) turn a blind eye to it (and some revel in it) while we as Niner fans are suppose to be appalled and diagusted by a man that has hurt zero - no one - and never gone after anyone on a personal level. My point was not to equate the two individual's behavior but to point out the hypocrisy.

My father has had a DUI. Do I disown him? One of my best friends got drunk, blanked out and shot his own TV with several people in the room. "Thug", right? Thug with a 3.5 GPA and no criminal record. And of course this illustrates quite a bit about my own character, right? All are good people with good intentiins in almost every situation. What I cannot stand is a guy like Richard Sherman that blames the refs after a win - "the refs gave them the game" - Dec. 8th, 2014. Or calks out his own teammate without the balls to do so directly -"If you watch the tape, you'll see that wasn't my guy and I was suopose to have help over the top. But I don't like to call out my teammates" - after the Roddy White TD. Hey Stanford guy, you just did call out your teammate.

It's a vit hypocritical, is all I am saying.

[HumanCockroach]

Christ Future, sure, MAYBE Sherman's words hurt someone ( although only a RUBE would think Sherman calling out Brady in response to HIS trash talk in the paper the week prior, or his trash talk DURING THE game "hurt his feelings" or that his rant against Crab tree did likewise in response AGAIN to his trash talk and actions) but EVEN IF that was the case ( which it isn't, I assure you if any pro athlete is that sensitive he isn't playing on Sundays) there is a hell of a VOID between hurting someone with words, and hurting someone with a car or some bullets. If someone doesn't MEAN to kill an innocent bystander, does that absolve them from blame for their actions that caused it? Hell I thought you were a lawyer, seems to me you aren't paying very close attention to how the law.works.

Of course you shouldn't "disown" your father, but again there is an ENORMOUS difference between disowning someone, and APPROVING of the actions they took, hell I'm not entirely sure you don't just accept or approve of it, but CONDONE the stupidity of endangering others. As for your friend with his 3.5, whatever, I'll honestly say that that would be the last
time I would allow the dude to endanger MY life, you're cool with throwing your life away, that's fine, be my guest, but that isn't what we are talking about is it? We are discussing decisions that endanger others, of which Aldon has multiple ( whether he intends to kill some innocent bystander or not) Sherman has none.

Sounds to me like your all for the theory, that unless someone actually kills someone they can do what ever strikes their fancy. Which is NOT how intelligent society works, nor should it. Bury your head as much as you like, ignore as much as you want, it worked out so well for the Patriots with AH so it has to be right. You have two choices in life in regards to this stuff, pay attention, and nip it in the bud, be PROACTIVE and attempt to fix the problem, or write a condolence letter to the people who get to suffer for your stupidity, selfishness, and inconsideration to their lives, loved ones freinds.I prefer the former, it is pretty clear which you prefer. I can live with my choice, and am fine with being judged by you as some sort of animal for not ignoring the actions of a moron. If he continues down his current path, ends up killing or maiming someone, can you honestly say f it, it wasn't my daughter or son, or brother or father? If so, it clearly displays my original statement and reveals your character, and why I'm not surprised you don't care.

Be my guest attacking my post, but if Sherman did ANY of the things that Smith has done, I would INDEED be calling him the same thing. ( and for the record, I HAVE indeed said NUMEROUS times that I didn't believe in trash talk when I played, and wouldn't act like Sherman, however, ANYONE that professes trash talk, as equal or close to similar to the stupidity coming out of Santa Clara in the last two to three years, is stupid. Sorry, I wanted to use a nicer word, but stupid, sums it up)

[RiverDog]

Who compared Richard Sherman to Aldon Smith? It wasn't me. A lot of people celebrate rhis guy's poor sportsmanship, his obnoxious attitude, his demeaning of other people and his self promotion. That's a fact. Nowhere did I equate any of that behavior to the potential felony gun possession or DUI's that Aldon faces. The point is, you (general sense) turn a blind eye to it (and some revel in it) while we as Niner fans are suppose to be appalled and diagusted by a man that has hurt zero - no one - and never gone after anyone on a personal level. My point was not to equate the two individual's behavior but to point out the hypocrisy.

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Yea, it was you. In your first paragraph, you said "but none of them indicate any intent on Aldon's part to hurt anyone. The way some people have twisted this to demonize him demonstrates as much about their character as his... then you went on to say "I am much more offended by Richard Sherman's going after so many people on an I.tensely personal level. The difference is, he genuinely intends to hurt other people." That's a direct comparison of Aldon Smith to Richard Sherman. You indicated that because Aldon Smith didn't intend to hurt anyone when he shot a gun in the middle of a crowd, picked up a DUI, and threatened TSA agents, that his actions were more preferable to you than Richard Sherman's trash talking that according to you, must have hurt someone's feelings.

[Eaglehawk]

Who compared Richard Sherman to Aldon Smith? It wasn't me. A lot of people celebrate rhis guy's poor sportsmanship, his obnoxious attitude, his demeaning of other people and his self promotion. That's a fact. Nowhere did I equate any of that behavior to the potential felony gun possession or DUI's that Aldon faces. The point is, you (general sense) turn a blind eye to it (and some revel in it) while we as Niner fans are suppose to be appalled and diagusted by a man that has hurt zero - no one - and never gone after anyone on a personal level. My point was not to equate the two individual's behavior but to point out the hypocrisy.

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Yea, it was you. In your first paragraph, you said "but none of them indicate any intent on Aldon's part to hurt anyone. The way some people have twisted this to demonize him demonstrates as much about their character as his... then you went on to say "I am much more offended by Richard Sherman's going after so many people on an I.tensely personal level. The difference is, he genuinely intends to hurt other people." That's a direct comparison of Aldon Smith to Richard Sherman. You indicated that because Aldon Smith didn't intend to hurt anyone when he shot a gun in the middle of a crowd, picked up a DUI, and threatened TSA agents, that his actions were more preferable to you than Richard Sherman's trash talking that according to you, must have hurt someone's feelings.

Who compared Richard Sherman to Aldon Smith? It wasn't me. A lot of people celebrate rhis guy's poor sportsmanship, his obnoxious attitude, his demeaning of other people and his self promotion. That's a fact. Nowhere did I equate any of that behavior to the potential felony gun possession or DUI's that Aldon faces. The point is, you (general sense) turn a blind eye to it (and some revel in it) while we as Niner fans are suppose to be appalled and diagusted by a man that has hurt zero - no one - and never gone after anyone on a personal level. My point was not to equate the two individual's behavior but to point out the hypocrisy.

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Yea, it was you. In your first paragraph, you said "but none of them indicate any intent on Aldon's part to hurt anyone. The way some people have twisted this to demonize him demonstrates as much about their character as his... then you went on to say "I am much more offended by Richard Sherman's going after so many people on an I.tensely personal level. The difference is, he genuinely intends to hurt other people." That's a direct comparison of Aldon Smith to Richard Sherman. You indicated that because Aldon Smith didn't intend to hurt anyone when he shot a gun in the middle of a crowd, picked up a DUI, and threatened TSA agents, that his actions were more preferable to you than Richard Sherman's trash talking that according to you, must have hurt someone's feelings.

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