Hawks/Packers

[Aseahawkfan]

Nope. We drafted a few OL here and there but no Center of note during JS tenure and we've continually signed older cheap FAs at Guard. Is Cross worth re-signing to a top contract - how about Lucas, can he stay healthy?
The IOL under JS has for the most part been a collection of other teams castoffs and older players drafted high by other teams but at the end of their careers - 1 year rentals then gone the next year.
But after 15 drafts under JS, I doubt the script will change and we will again look for the Tomlinson types to fill out the IOL instead of drafting good young players and develop them in house.

Unger was a good center. Carpenter was a 1st round pick that didn't work out at guard. We also drafted that guy from Wisconsin in the 3rd round at guard, but he didn't want to play football.

The only first round guard we drafted was Carpenter I think. I'd have to review the draft picks. We mostly spent high draft picks on left tackles.

Most of our inside O-line was lower level draft picks. That I agree with.

Even with this rebuild, we drafted a high round left tackle and paired with a low round guard pick. How about John change things up and draft a proven left guard or sign a proven left guard to pair with Cross? Maybe Cross would be better if paired with a good left guard.

We always talk about how much the O-line needs to work together for a longer period of time to do well, but Cross has had a rotating left guard and center almost his entire career. How is he supposed to develop when he's a good a new guy next to him multiple times a year and a new center?

[4XPIPS]

Disappointing loss, but not surprised we would lost this game. Even with a healthy Geno, I wasn't sure the protection would have held up well enough for us to win the game out right. It would have made the game closer, but the Packers are a well oiled machine on both sides of the ball. Jordan Love didn't wow me, but does play like a season vet back there and makes the right plays when it matters. The narrative going into the game was our DL had one of the highest individual pressure rates in the league, but that didn't matter against a quality built OL of the packers.

I guess the biggest shock to me was how badly Howell performed. I wasn't expecting greatness, but he certainly looked lost out there. I know being a backup, you aren't normally prepared as much as the starter, but he looked bad. If Geno isn't ready to go next week, I hope the offense can get Howell up to speed and be ready against the Vikings next week.

Well all is not lost, as we have to keep pace with the Rams. The end of the season may determine our fate.

[River Dog]

Disappointing loss, but not surprised we would lost this game. Even with a healthy Geno, I wasn't sure the protection would have held up well enough for us to win the game out right. It would have made the game closer, but the Packers are a well oiled machine on both sides of the ball. Jordan Love didn't wow me, but does play like a season vet back there and makes the right plays when it matters. The narrative going into the game was our DL had one of the highest individual pressure rates in the league, but that didn't matter against a quality built OL of the packers.

I guess the biggest shock to me was how badly Howell performed. I wasn't expecting greatness, but he certainly looked lost out there. I know being a backup, you aren't normally prepared as much as the starter, but he looked bad. If Geno isn't ready to go next week, I hope the offense can get Howell up to speed and be ready against the Vikings next week.

Well all is not lost, as we have to keep pace with the Rams. The end of the season may determine our fate.

I agree with most of that. The Packers' OL was the biggest difference, especially in the first half. They scored on 4 of their first 5 possessions. Our guys got pushed around a lot. I haven't looked at the PFF grades yet, but I suspect that they're pretty bad.

The bad Geno surfaced again, throwing another red zone pick, and it was all downhill after that. Another low production game for Metcalf, just 3 receptions for 28 yards. I'm sure glad I don't have him on my fantasy team. As far as Howell goes, yes, he looked pretty bad. But as you said, it's tough to come into the game as a backup and perform right out of the gate, especially when you're already down by two TD's.

On the bright side, Zach looked good again, but our offense couldn't do much with or without Geno.

I realize that the season isn't over, but this game really shook me to the core. Green Bay was a far superior team on both sides of the ball. We're not ready for Prime Time. We'll see what happens next week against the Vikings.

[4XPIPS]

I realize that the season isn't over, but this game really shook me to the core. Green Bay was a far superior team on both sides of the ball. We're not ready for Prime Time. We'll see what happens next week against the Vikings.

You are right, the season isn't over. However, if we do make the playoffs, and what would most likely us winning our division and hosting a playoff game, we could easily be playing the Packers again in the playoffs.

I be worried about playing the Packers than the Rams. The Rams aren't blowing teams out, and they are averaging 5.5 pts per game for their wins, and their most recent wins have come with in a score. Not to mention our game against them we gave them so many opportunities with bad snaps, and redzone TOs, and they needed OT to beat us. So beating the Rams is something I have confidence with, but beating the Packers I am not sure we are good enough to do so.

[Aseahawkfan]

We lost our HFA. That kind of sucks. Four our losses are at home.

[River Dog]

I realize that the season isn't over, but this game really shook me to the core. Green Bay was a far superior team on both sides of the ball. We're not ready for Prime Time. We'll see what happens next week against the Vikings.

You are right, the season isn't over. However, if we do make the playoffs, and what would most likely us winning our division and hosting a playoff game, we could easily be playing the Packers again in the playoffs.

I be worried about playing the Packers than the Rams. The Rams aren't blowing teams out, and they are averaging 5.5 pts per game for their wins, and their most recent wins have come with in a score. Not to mention our game against them we gave them so many opportunities with bad snaps, and redzone TOs, and they needed OT to beat us. So beating the Rams is something I have confidence with, but beating the Packers I am not sure we are good enough to do so.

Again, I agree. We obviously don't match up well against the Packers and would be more worried about beating them than I would the Rams. If we win the division, there's also a chance of us hosting this week's opponent, the Vikings, or for that matter, the Lions. Minny is currently sitting on the #5 seed, two games ahead of the Pack. The NFC North is shaping up as the strongest division in the league, at least as far as W/L records are concerned.

But let's not get ahead of ourselves. There's every bit of a chance that we could miss the playoffs entirely. It's not a stretch of the imagination to think that we could go into Week 18 already eliminated.

[River Dog]

We lost our HFA. That kind of sucks. Four our losses are at home.

Did you hear the crowd last night? There had to be around 40% Packers fans in attendance. Teams that travel well...and the Packers travel as well as any team in the league...can take over a stadium. We used to be in that category during the LOB era, and we still do travel better than average, but not as good as the Packers.

It's a trend that's started over the past 10-15 years with the advent of the secondary ticket markets, ie Ticketmaster, Stub Hub, et al, and electronic, transferrable tickets. Back when I had season tickets to the Hawks, in the late 80's-early 90's, you had to know someone who had season tickets if you wanted to go to a game as they only held back less than 5% for at large sales, and even then, you had to snail mail the actual ticket so it could take several days working its way through USPS. There was never any more than just a random scattering of visiting fans.

[4XPIPS]

We lost our HFA. That kind of sucks. Four our losses are at home.

Did you hear the crowd last night? There had to be around 40% Packers fans in attendance. Teams that travel well...and the Packers travel as well as any team in the league...can take over a stadium. We used to be in that category during the LOB era, and we still do travel better than average, but not as good as the Packers.

It's a trend that's started over the past 10-15 years with the advent of the secondary ticket markets, ie Ticketmaster, Stub Hub, et al, and electronic, transferrable tickets. Back when I had season tickets to the Hawks, in the late 80's-early 90's, you had to know someone who had season tickets if you wanted to go to a game as they only held back less than 5% for at large sales, and even then, you had to snail mail the actual ticket so it could take several days working its way through USPS. There was never any more than just a random scattering of visiting fans.

That was disheartening to hear. To hear Chris Collinsworth mention on the broadcast that the Seahawks Offense "may need to go to a silent count" was tough to stomach. Again they had a lot to cheer for in that game, but early on when the game was no decided yet the Packer Fans base was loud and present. Not sure what it is, but to drop this many games at home just sucks.

[NorthHawk]

Unger was a good center. Carpenter was a 1st round pick that didn't work out at guard. We also drafted that guy from Wisconsin in the 3rd round at guard, but he didn't want to play football.

Unger was already on the team when Pete/JS arrived having been drafted by Mora. Carpenter was drafted as a OT but shuffled to Guard because he couldn’t block quicker DEs or OLBs. He was then not re-signed and moved around the league finding some good success with the Jets before moving on to Atlanta then New Orleans at the end of his career.

We did draft Ethan Pocic , a Center in College but played him at Guard. He’s now the starting Center for the Browns.

[4XPIPS]

Also speaking of the uniforms, can we do away with the Highlighter Green uniforms. It would be nice to bring back the throwbacks we were on the season opener.

[NorthHawk]

Also speaking of the uniforms, can we do away with the Highlighter Green uniforms. It would be nice to bring back the throwbacks we were on the season opener.

Why does Seattle have this obsession with ugly green? It's not even a pleasant green but an annoying one that looks like it belongs on some type of carnival show.

[Old but Slow]

Totally agree. The classic blue is the best looking uni in the league. Update the logo, if you must.

[River Dog]

Totally agree. The classic blue is the best looking uni in the league. Update the logo, if you must.

Count me in. If we replaced the stoned seagull with today's emblem, the classic uniforms are the best-looking IMO. That industrial waste green slime is OK for trim, but not for the base color.

[NorthHawk]

It makes the whole league look amateurish.

[River Dog]

It makes the whole league look amateurish.

Agreed. I remember when the Chicago White Sox wore shorts as part of their game uniforms. They looked like a city league softball team.

The all-lime green uniforms make it look like some sort of video game, that it's not real football, especially when they're accompanied by the Packers all white uniforms, including their helmets.

We're now 5-3 in "action green", so no more talk of them bringing us good luck.

[Rambo2014]

How in hell are the Seahawks going to win three in a row, which is required to have a chance at the playoffs?

Rams have a zippy schedule and will do it

Sea 6 Minn 42
Sea 9 Chi 26
Sea 0 Rams 17