Last home playoff win

[Irish Greg 2.0]

I was looking back at some previous seasons, and realized our last home playoff win was in January 2017!

That's hard to believe. We crushed the Lions...Paul Richardson had that insane one handed TD catch, and Thomas Rawls ran rampant.

Already 8 years ago.

[River Dog]

Obviously, one of many byproducts of the overall decline the team suffered under the Pete Carroll regime. Another is the waning fan interest where opposing fans can outnumber 12's in our house.

Macdonald may not have any more success than Pete had over his past 7-8 years with us, but at least they're trying.

[Agent 86]

I read today that the Seahawks/Giants/Cowboys/Bears are the only NFC teams to not reach a Conference Championship game in the last 10 years. The Seahawks have been in the playoffs in 6 of those seasons. As most of us have been saying, that is the definition of "mid", or "meh", or "average", or "mediocre", call it whatever you want. It hasn't been good enough.

This has been an exciting week. As River said, this change in direction might work or it might not, but at least they are trying something and not continuing down the road to mediocrity.

[Aseahawkfan]

This is why I was tired of the "We made the playoffs, get experience" push. We weren't real contenders for a long time. Making the playoffs when 14 teams go, nearly half the league, is not impressive. It lowers draft position while not being a real contender. I want a true rebuild.

Whole reason teams like Frisco or Rams hopped over us is they crashed and burned, then drafted well to build a lot of quality talent with those high picks. If we can crash and burn a few years, then up with some high quality talent that will go better long-term.

[River Dog]

This is why I was tired of the "We made the playoffs, get experience" push. We weren't real contenders for a long time. Making the playoffs when 14 teams go, nearly half the league, is not impressive. It lowers draft position while not being a real contender. I want a true rebuild.

Whole reason teams like Frisco or Rams hopped over us is they crashed and burned, then drafted well to build a lot of quality talent with those high picks. If we can crash and burn a few years, then up with some high quality talent that will go better long-term.

I don't know if it's necessary that we 'crash and burn' before we can become a true contender. Although IMO we're more than a player or two away from a championship caliber team, I think we can build off that 10-7 rookie season if we fill a couple holes this year, a couple more next.

[Aseahawkfan]

I don't know if it's necessary that we 'crash and burn' before we can become a true contender. Although IMO we're more than a player or two away from a championship caliber team, I think we can build off that 10-7 rookie season if we fill a couple holes this year, a couple more next.

I'd prefer to crash and burn and go for the big dog QB. It's hard to find a great QB outside the top 10, often even the top 5.

[River Dog]

I don't know if it's necessary that we 'crash and burn' before we can become a true contender. Although IMO we're more than a player or two away from a championship caliber team, I think we can build off that 10-7 rookie season if we fill a couple holes this year, a couple more next.

I'd prefer to crash and burn and go for the big dog QB. It's hard to find a great QB outside the top 10, often even the top 5.

That's one route, but I don't want to intentionally crash and burn. There are other ways of building a championship football team without having to first hit rock bottom. The Chiefs, for example, haven't had a losing record since 2012. In 2017, they drafted Patrick Mahomes with the #10 overall after a trade with the Bills.

But I still want us to be bold, and trading Geno is a good first step.

[Aseahawkfan]

That's one route, but I don't want to intentionally crash and burn. There are other ways of building a championship football team without having to first hit rock bottom. The Chiefs, for example, haven't had a losing record since 2012. In 2017, they drafted Patrick Mahomes with the #10 overall after a trade with the Bills.

But I still want us to be bold, and trading Geno is a good first step.

Not sure why we bring up the Chiefs. They have a Hall of Fame coach and did crash and burn just before they hired Andy Reid. Mahomes was still a top 10 QB that should have been number one overall, but the Chiefs got lucky.

We haven't crashed and burned since Mora, that crash and burn set up the Pete Carroll Era which was the best ever for Seattle.

Drafting early in every round is huge.

[River Dog]

That's one route, but I don't want to intentionally crash and burn. There are other ways of building a championship football team without having to first hit rock bottom. The Chiefs, for example, haven't had a losing record since 2012. In 2017, they drafted Patrick Mahomes with the #10 overall after a trade with the Bills.

But I still want us to be bold, and trading Geno is a good first step.

Not sure why we bring up the Chiefs. They have a Hall of Fame coach and did crash and burn just before they hired Andy Reid. Mahomes was still a top 10 QB that should have been number one overall, but the Chiefs got lucky.

We haven't crashed and burned since Mora, that crash and burn set up the Pete Carroll Era which was the best ever for Seattle.

Drafting early in every round is huge.

You don't like the Chiefs as an example. Fine. Let's look elsewhere.

How about the Ravens? Although they haven't gone to a SB for some time, you have to consider them a perennial championship contender. They've had one losing season at 8-9, not exactly what one would call crash and burn, since 2015. They drafted Lamar Jackson with the #32 overall pick in 2018.

My point is that there are other ways to build a championship-caliber team without tanking a season. Does it take a good head coach and GM? Duh!

[Aseahawkfan]

You don't like the Chiefs as an example. Fine. Let's look elsewhere.

How about the Ravens? Although they haven't gone to a SB for some time, you have to consider them a perennial championship contender. They've had one losing season at 8-9, not exactly what one would call crash and burn, since 2015. They drafted Lamar Jackson with the #32 overall pick in 2018.

My point is that there are other ways to build a championship-caliber team without tanking a season. Does it take a good head coach and GM? Duh!

Ravens best teams were after a crash and burn. Ravens were 5 and 11 before hiring Harbaugh. They were 6 and 10 before hiring Billick.

Same thing with the Chiefs who were 2 and 14 the year before they hired Reid with the number one overall pick. They picked a LT and picked up Travis Kelce in the 3rd round after that pick. I reiterate that Patrick Mahomes was the 10th overall pick, which I'm not sure how they got that pick. Must have been some kind of trade. If Reid hadn't drafted Patrick Mahomes, they got not Super Bowl. You even have more trade flexibility in later years if you build a great team after a crash and burn year.

Seattle started the Pete Carroll Era after a 5 and 11 season under Mora.

Steelers were 6 and 10 under Cowher before drafting Ben Roethlinsberger and going on a 14 year competitive run.

Crash and burn, then draft well when you can draft early and often. Competitive cycles are built around the QB and head coach.

Is Baltimore a real contender? They been lacking just enough talent to be a real contender for years. Why? Maybe drafting too low to pick up great talent to get over the top.

Even Bill Belichick's first year was 5 and 11. He built that great team around Brady off that terrible season. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/2001_draft.htm

Am I going to say it's impossible to build a great team without a crash and burn? Nope.

I am saying it's much, much easier to build an amazing contending team by sacrificing one season to a crash and burn, then drafting well when you do it to really add that top level talent. It makes team building a whole lot easier if you can give your quality defensive head coach some prime stock to build a great team around.