New "consistency" thread, former Johnny Football thread

[HumanCockroach]

Of course in the next couple months there are topics that won't go away, today they discussed on NFL AM that Johnny Football has NEVER had a playbook ( which personally I find amazing) and that his coaches simply gave him some plays each week. That can be viewed in a couple way I guess, it can be viewed as the coaches didn't believe he could handle a full play book ( not good) OR he was such a quick learner that he didn't need a playbook to get things done on Saturday, no base necessary ( good thing).

I've said I think he has "bust" written all over him ( though have said if he puts in the work he certainly could become a good QB) the news that he currently resides on third string, does not surprise me in the least ( based on what I have seen him do), but I figured a poll, and thread to hash and rehash all the positives and negatives might be a nice "filler" topic ( give me a break, I'm tryin ').

[NorthHawk]

He's a classic Boom or Bust. It's no wonder he fell as far as he did.
On the other hand, he has some real good physical skills. Whether he can learn the playbook - and how to read it we don't yet know.
I've said for quite a while now that a QBs success or failure at the NFL level is determined by what's between their ears.
If he really never had a playbook before then his cognitive abilities are even more important.
I wish him well, the Browns deserve some success.

[kalibane]

I initially of the opinion that he'll be a solid to good starter in the NFL provided the franchise he's in is stable, supportive and has a clear plan that it's committed to. The problem is he's in Cleveland... a team that fired the existing front office, hired an entirely new front office of their own only to turn around and fire them a year later. Now they are without their top 2 WRs from last year (assuming Gordon is suspended for the year), they have no proven running game and the veteran WR safety blanket they brought in to replace Greg Little just broke his arm again.

I also don't get how the Browns are handling this. While I endorse the idea of making it clear to him that he'll win the starting position, I don't get why they are flooding the media with all this nonsense. Having him work with the third team in minicamp to prove a point, which is not too helpful.

The playbook thing (which I didn't know before) is highly bothersome. Now it seems to me the guy is actually smart as a whip... but that doesn't matter really and here's why to use myself as an example. I absolutely cruised through highschool, nothing was challenging... I barely had to exert any effort to make good grades, killed my SAT the whole nine. Then I got to college... and it was like having a bucket of cold water thrown on me. I eventually made the adjustment but it took a little over a year. When you don't know how to study, it's really hard to develop the ability while on the job.

Johnny Football is athletic, but his athleticism is a bit overblown in the same way that Tebow's was. He's very athletic for a QB but he is not Colin Kaepernick or Michael Vick athletic.. he's not even Russell Wilson athletic. If he struggles figuring out how to master these massive NFL playbooks (which I can't see how he wouldn't if he's never had a playbook before) this could go very very badly for him because I don't see him being athletic enough to skate by on pure athleticism until the learning curve normalizes for him.

[HumanCockroach]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200000 ... ial-margin

I thought what Farmer had to say was interesting, if for no other reason than it exemplafies that he isn't ready. I thought the comment relating it to math is most telling. Maybe it's the Browns version of "tough love" with an over confident kid that believes he's entitled to some sort of magical carpet ride of a career, or if they are just being prudent ( you know it is possible for a QB to sit for a year or two). But it surprised me.

I also seriously wonder if the fans in Cleveland are going to remain patient, waiting for the Manziel era to begin? The absolute WORST possible decision they could make is to put him on the field before he is prepared IMHO.

[NorthHawk]

It's tough to be patient when you are losing.
I they don't get off to a good start, the pressure will build so they need a strong FO to say not yet.

[HumanCockroach]

Totally agree, hope Hoyer starts off hot for Manziels sake. Maybe the poll should have been the over / under on when he is inserted LOL. I would set it at 6 games, and I'll take the under.....

[RiverDog]

I didn't hear about the playbook thing, either, and that kinda reinforces my opinion of Manziel, which is that he's a snotty, arrogant SOB, sort of like Ryan Leaf was when he came out of college. I didn't like the fact that he had some differences with his college head coach. Several QB hungry teams passed on Manziel, including the Browns themselves, so you know there's some doubts about him.

[HumanCockroach]

He certainly comes across that way, but I'm not sure I can personally put him in the Leaf category, as I had friends that happened to be in college with him at Wazzu and heard all sorts of stories about his attitude prior to him ever setting foot in a chargers locker room...

Manziel certainly comes across as 'entitled' but having not seen up close and personal anything other than his stupid money hand signal, I'll have to wait for more information before condemning him....

[RiverDog]

He certainly comes across that way, but I'm not sure I can personally put him in the Leaf category, as I had friends that happened to be in college with him at Wazzu and heard all sorts of stories about his attitude prior to him ever setting foot in a chargers locker room...

Manziel certainly comes across as 'entitled' but having not seen up close and personal anything other than his stupid money hand signal, I'll have to wait for more information before condemning him....

Yea, me, too. I knew people that were on the WSU campus at the same time Leaf was that said his teammates didn't like him and were saying that long before the draft. I wasn't really trying to link him to Leaf, just that he reminds me of Leaf's arrogance.

[Futureite]

I didn't hear about the playbook thing, either, and that kinda reinforces my opinion of Manziel, which is that he's a snotty, arrogant SOB, sort of like Ryan Leaf was when he came out of college. I didn't like the fact that he had some differences with his college head coach. Several QB hungry teams passed on Manziel, including the Browns themselves, so you know there's some doubts about him.

How is that link critical of Manziel's football IQ or his ability to grasp the playbook in the least? All Farmer said was that Hoyer is a 6 yr vet and is ahead of Manziel, as he expected. That Hoyer has a math degree and Manziel doesn't. The second comment was asenine and completely irrelevant, but still was not a critique of Manziel's ability. I keep reading how all of these athletic QBs "don't have it upstairs" and then you look at their Winderluc and they obviously do. Kaep scored 37, Manziel 32. Say what you want about how that test equates to football, but it does in fact measure the ability to process and analyze information quicly and accurately. He can obviously learn a playbook as well if not quicker than other QBs. Everything that I have read says the kid has a high football IQ and impressed with his smarts in every interview. He "slid" to the Browns at #23 or whetever it was because teams are nervous about his ability to play his freewheeling style and remain healthy with his slight frame. The guy seems ultra competitive to me and I think he's going to be really good.

[RiverDog]

Man, this sure sounds like Ryan Leaf's rookie year...

Johnny Manziel was criticized for spending the weekend in Vegas living it up instead of spending the time getting to know Cleveland's playbook.

http://msn.foxsports.com/ohio/story/man ... its-052614

[HumanCockroach]

I'd compare it more to Leinart but not going to judge him to harshly before there is a chance to see him on the field. Young guys do this stuff, so an instance or two of him having fun in Vegas isn't going to get me to trash the guy. Leinart never worked and was too busy partying to be bothered, whether Manziel decides that is going to be the case or not remains to be seen.

[RiverDog]

I'd compare it more to Leinart but not going to judge him to harshly before there is a chance to see him on the field. Young guys do this stuff, so an instance or two of him having fun in Vegas isn't going to get me to trash the guy. Leinart never worked and was too busy partying to be bothered, whether Manziel decides that is going to be the case or not remains to be seen.

Yea, at this point Leinart is probably a better comparison than Leaf, although neither one is particularly complimentary. But there is a difference between even those two busts. Manziel is rumored to have an alcohol problem, and although it is his free time and he didn't do anything wrong by going to Vegas, it is something that the Browns had better keep an eye on. Vacation's over, and he'd better start studying his playbook 24/7 and doing everything he can to get an edge... Russell Wilson style... if he wants to be successful.

[HumanCockroach]

News out of Cleveland has Manziel being compared to RGIII his rookie year.... guess that under 6 might have set the bar too high...

[Zorn76]

I didn't vote, because it's hard for me to guess what'll happen to the kid overall for his career.

IMO, he already has a strike against him for going to the Browns. That's a losing team culture and locker room if there ever was one. Until a franchise snaps out of it, losing breeds losing. The bar is never raised. Coaches come and go, and declarations of improving turn out to be lip service.

We don't know what kind of head coach Rob Chudzinski (great name btw) will turn out to be, but they do have a good OC in Norv Turner. His HC record wasn't great, but he's a proven offensive coordinator. Meanwhile, Bobby Hoyer will be 29 this fall, which is hardly old, but his age still doesn't lend itself to being the long term answer for the Browns. He's a career backup, really.

I'd throw Manziel into the fire this year. Find out all you need to know about him asap. If he's an entitled, lazy, snot nose kid who doesn't wanna put in the work, then you trade him by season's end. If he turns out to be a gamer, a leader, and shows enough signs of having real upside, then you work with him. But I think the Browns should find out what they got now.

He'll have to beat out Hoyer or whoever, but the franchise is rooting for him to do so. Sitting him would do no good. His stats should be the least of his worries, or that of his team. Look to see how he handles adversity. Is he easily discouraged? Does he play hard for four quarters? How does he handle the huddle? Does he stay positive under any circumstance? Is he a "me" guy or a team player?

That's what I'd look for. Legit, solid NFL starting QB's typically show enough during their rookie seasons, provided they are starting year one. Stats don't matter, IMO, as a rook that much. It's the decision making process and other intangibles that are the key, particularly in the beginning.

Cleveland should start that process this fall.

[HumanCockroach]

Fair enough Zorn, but if I was a Cleveland fan, and I watched his tape and workouts, I would be expecting a LOT of floating interceptions. He had a habit both in college and his pro day, to float those balls up, in the NFL, the receivers aren't going to win to many of those.

[Zorn76]

We'll see.

Floating passes and other mechanics can be worked on, IMO.

Again, what I'm really curious about is his mental toughness. It's the single biggest factor in determining if a QB makes it or not in the NFL. Good to great decision makers will always find a job in the league.

He's gonna get the c*** beat out of him, but if he gets through it, he may become a legitimate quarterback for the Browns.

I would give him the green light to run at will, provided he slides, lol.

When you're as bad as Cleveland, you have to find a way to move the chains by any means necessary.

[HumanCockroach]

Again, I don't know, I didn't feel like Cleveland was your typical "bad" team. There's a LOT of talent there ( though the loss of Cribs is going to hurt mightily IMHO) but that defense is for real, and some of the offensive weapons were really nice last season, the o'line is pretty damn good overall, they lacked a rushing attack and a QB last season IMO otherwise I felt like they were a pretty good football team ( though as you said, the "tradition" is such that it is hard to snap out of it). Coming into this draft I felt like they could be a "surprise" team, not so sure anymore....

[NorthHawk]

I thought Cribbs went a couple of years ago. Josh Gordon will be missed as he was really starting to dominate.
Like you said, their Defense has been pretty decent for a number of years, but their Offense has not held up its part of the team.
Speaking of Cribbs, he was one of a few stars that created Offense (usually by Special Teams) until Gordon came along, then they let him go.

I feel a little sorry for Browns fans. They're pretty loyal considering the product they've been given.

[HumanCockroach]

I thought Cribbs went a couple of years ago. Josh Gordon will be missed as he was really starting to dominate.
Like you said, their Defense has been pretty decent for a number of years, but their Offense has not held up its part of the team.
Speaking of Cribbs, he was one of a few stars that created Offense (usually by Special Teams) until Gordon came along, then they let him go.

I feel a little sorry for Browns fans. They're pretty loyal considering the product they've been given.

My bad, I don't know why I inserted Cribbs for Gordon, I'm claiming CTE......

[RiverDog]

We'll see.

Floating passes and other mechanics can be worked on, IMO.

Again, what I'm really curious about is his mental toughness. It's the single biggest factor in determining if a QB makes it or not in the NFL. Good to great decision makers will always find a job in the league.

He's gonna get the c*** beat out of him, but if he gets through it, he may become a legitimate quarterback for the Browns.

I would give him the green light to run at will, provided he slides, lol.

When you're as bad as Cleveland, you have to find a way to move the chains by any means necessary.

I'm not sure how much mechanics can be coached up in a quarterback that's in his early 20's. Take a look at Tim Tebow and how many coaches tried to improve his mechanics but to no avail. It's pretty hard to overcome muscle memory developed since adolescence after you get into your 20's.

[Zorn76]

We'll see.

Floating passes and other mechanics can be worked on, IMO.

Again, what I'm really curious about is his mental toughness. It's the single biggest factor in determining if a QB makes it or not in the NFL. Good to great decision makers will always find a job in the league.

He's gonna get the c*** beat out of him, but if he gets through it, he may become a legitimate quarterback for the Browns.

I would give him the green light to run at will, provided he slides, lol.

When you're as bad as Cleveland, you have to find a way to move the chains by any means necessary.

I'm not sure how much mechanics can be coached up in a quarterback that's in his early 20's. Take a look at Tim Tebow and how many coaches tried to improve his mechanics but to no avail. It's pretty hard to overcome muscle memory developed since adolescence after you get into your 20's.

I dunno.

Tebow was beyond brutal, though. I wouldn't put Manziel in that category, particularly since we haven't seen him play an NFL game yet. His decision making process and adjusting to the speed of the league if gonna be key, just like it is for any rookie passer.

He's gonna get thrown into the fire, I think, and that's the best thing to do. Hoyer is a waste of time, honestly. Give the kid the keys, and see if he can drive. He may need to pop the clutch or get a push to get it going, but at least you find out what you got to build on, if anything.

[NorthHawk]

From what I've seen of Manziel he needs help with his footwork. His throwing mechanics are basically pretty good - no where near as bad as Tebow, but he has to get used to the 3 and 5 step drops and not dance around before throwing.
Maybe there is room in the NFL for someone who is unconventional but successful. In way I hope he's successful but still unorthodox because it will help break another stereotype just like Wilson and the height BS.
For me, something different is fun to watch.

[c_hawkbob]

I'm open minded, his talents are undeniable, but doubtful in that it occurs to me that exactly the things that made him so exceptional in college are the things that he'll have to dial back in the Pro's just to survive. I just don't know if Johnny Football can physically survive in the NFL and don't think Johnny Football Light will be all that special.

[Eaglehawk]

I think he eventually will be an excellent starter. But he may then just be mediocre as well.
Thus my two votes. Johnny Football will have a lot of people looking at him.

[RiverDog]

We'll see.

Floating passes and other mechanics can be worked on, IMO.

Again, what I'm really curious about is his mental toughness. It's the single biggest factor in determining if a QB makes it or not in the NFL. Good to great decision makers will always find a job in the league.

He's gonna get the c*** beat out of him, but if he gets through it, he may become a legitimate quarterback for the Browns.

I would give him the green light to run at will, provided he slides, lol.

When you're as bad as Cleveland, you have to find a way to move the chains by any means necessary.

I'm not sure how much mechanics can be coached up in a quarterback that's in his early 20's. Take a look at Tim Tebow and how many coaches tried to improve his mechanics but to no avail. It's pretty hard to overcome muscle memory developed since adolescence after you get into your 20's.

I dunno.

Tebow was beyond brutal, though. I wouldn't put Manziel in that category, particularly since we haven't seen him play an NFL game yet. His decision making process and adjusting to the speed of the league if gonna be key, just like it is for any rookie passer.

He's gonna get thrown into the fire, I think, and that's the best thing to do. Hoyer is a waste of time, honestly. Give the kid the keys, and see if he can drive. He may need to pop the clutch or get a push to get it going, but at least you find out what you got to build on, if anything.

Agreed. And I suppose it depends on the types of mechanics we're talking about. With Tebow, it was his wind up delivery that was perhaps the worst throwing motion of any NFL quarterback in recent memory. Something like footwork might be a little easier to coach up.

The thing I would be concerned about Manziel is his propensity to go off the reservation. When he had his pre-draft visit with Houston, he was advised to hang low and stay out of the public eye, and the first thing he did was to go to the Master's and get drunk, which by some people's account, is one of the reasons why Houston took a pass on him, perhaps other teams, too, and rumors abound that the guy has an alcohol problem. Otherwise, his holiday trip to Sin City wouldn't have raised so many eyebrows.

But we'll see how it all plays out. The saga of Johnny Football will be one of the more interesting story lines in 2014.

[Eaglehawk]

I honestly think he will go the way of Quinn.
My gut tells me this.

[HumanCockroach]

Guy needs someone to sit him down, and get him working in the right direction.

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/20 ... hared=true

[RiverDog]

Are you sure that wasn't Kaepernick?

[Hawktawk]

I honestly think he will go the way of Quinn.
My gut tells me this.

Honestly I think hes looking like another Leinert. Frat boy party animal getting publicity for all the wrong reasons instead of working on getting better.

[NorthHawk]

He might just break that stereotype.
Namath was a party boy and he had a good career.

Leadership comes in a lot of forms and he's a guy who just graduated from College and was drafted who had a party in Las Vegas. So what - it's not like he missed practice or let the team down because of it.
If alcohol or other becomes a problem, it's a different story but I believe you have to let people be who they are if you want them to be their best.

[RiverDog]

He might just break that stereotype.
Namath was a party boy and he had a good career.

Leadership comes in a lot of forms and he's a guy who just graduated from College and was drafted who had a party in Las Vegas. So what - it's not like he missed practice or let the team down because of it.
If alcohol or other becomes a problem, it's a different story but I believe you have to let people be who they are if you want them to be their best.

Funny thing, I was going to mention Namath's escapades, but I forgot there was someone in here as old as I am that would recall them.

But that was then. Today's NFL requires more work and more dedication than it did back in the 60's when players had to get off season jobs to make ends meet doing stuff like driving a beer truck as George Blanda did. There's more competition and the game is far more complex. They're going to have to be more like Russell Wilson if they want to get an edge, because if Manziel doesn't want to put in the time and live that job 24/7, someone else will. Besides, he's not "that" talented, at least not when you compare him to the relative talent that Joe Namath possessed. He's going to need every advantage he can get if he wants to succeed.

[c_hawkbob]

But that was then. Today's NFL requires more work and more dedication than it did back in the 60's when players had to get off season jobs to make ends meet doing stuff like driving a beer truck as George Blanda did. There's more competition and the game is far more complex. They're going to have to be more like Russell Wilson if they want to get an edge, because if Manziel doesn't want to put in the time and live that job 24/7, someone else will. Besides, he's not "that" talented, at least not when you compare him to the relative talent that Joe Namath possessed. He's going to need every advantage he can get if he wants to succeed.

Yup.

Bigger/Faster/Stronger is a fact but it's not solely due to the evolution of the species. It's also due to the evolution of work habits, nutrition and exercise technologies as well more competitive workplace environment. Because the money is so much bigger now there is a lot more competition for NFL roster spots than there was back in the day.

[RiverDog]

But that was then. Today's NFL requires more work and more dedication than it did back in the 60's when players had to get off season jobs to make ends meet doing stuff like driving a beer truck as George Blanda did. There's more competition and the game is far more complex. They're going to have to be more like Russell Wilson if they want to get an edge, because if Manziel doesn't want to put in the time and live that job 24/7, someone else will. Besides, he's not "that" talented, at least not when you compare him to the relative talent that Joe Namath possessed. He's going to need every advantage he can get if he wants to succeed.

Yup.

Bigger/Faster/Stronger is a fact but it's not solely due to the evolution of the species. It's also due to the evolution of work habits, nutrition and exercise technologies as well more competitive workplace environment. Because the money is so much bigger now there is a lot more competition for NFL roster spots than there was back in the day.

Not to mention that the NFL of the 60's had an unwritten racial quota, didn't reach out to the small schools, didn't reach out to places like the Pacific islands. They cast a wider net nowadays.

[c_hawkbob]

But that was then. Today's NFL requires more work and more dedication than it did back in the 60's when players had to get off season jobs to make ends meet doing stuff like driving a beer truck as George Blanda did. There's more competition and the game is far more complex. They're going to have to be more like Russell Wilson if they want to get an edge, because if Manziel doesn't want to put in the time and live that job 24/7, someone else will. Besides, he's not "that" talented, at least not when you compare him to the relative talent that Joe Namath possessed. He's going to need every advantage he can get if he wants to succeed.

Yup.

Bigger/Faster/Stronger is a fact but it's not solely due to the evolution of the species. It's also due to the evolution of work habits, nutrition and exercise technologies as well more competitive workplace environment. Because the money is so much bigger now there is a lot more competition for NFL roster spots than there was back in the day.

Not to mention that the NFL of the 60's had an unwritten racial quota, didn't reach out to the small schools, didn't reach out to places like the Pacific islands. They cast a wider net nowadays.

True that.

Which is why they need to widen the net further with that developmental league being discussed in the other thread. There is a whole lot of talent out there that would never meet the requirements of attending an NCAA university ...

[NorthHawk]

He might just break that stereotype.
Namath was a party boy and he had a good career.

Leadership comes in a lot of forms and he's a guy who just graduated from College and was drafted who had a party in Las Vegas. So what - it's not like he missed practice or let the team down because of it.
If alcohol or other becomes a problem, it's a different story but I believe you have to let people be who they are if you want them to be their best.

Funny thing, I was going to mention Namath's escapades, but I forgot there was someone in here as old as I am that would recall them.

But that was then. Today's NFL requires more work and more dedication than it did back in the 60's when players had to get off season jobs to make ends meet doing stuff like driving a beer truck as George Blanda did. There's more competition and the game is far more complex. They're going to have to be more like Russell Wilson if they want to get an edge, because if Manziel doesn't want to put in the time and live that job 24/7, someone else will. Besides, he's not "that" talented, at least not when you compare him to the relative talent that Joe Namath possessed. He's going to need every advantage he can get if he wants to succeed.

Everyone learns differently. I remember people in high school and college who rarely cracked open the books but aced the tests. Others had to work real hard to get it, but those lucky few just had to go over it once and they knew it better than most.
I'm not saying Manziel is like that, but what I am saying is everyone has their own way to learn and 24/7 isn't a requisite for success.
For all we know his blowing off steam before TC is a way to get focused on the season.
It's far too early to comment on his study habits and requirements before TC has even started. By next year we will know much better if he has to buckle down or if he's just a different type of person.

[Hawktawk]

Its too early to know what will ultimately happen with Johnny Football but it aint starting out too good. I thought of Namath too but back in those days some guys didn't even lift weights, smoked cigarettes in the locker room and on the sidelines etc. Its a whole nother game now. Plenty of big time NFL guys like to party but first things first.

[RiverDog]

Everyone learns differently. I remember people in high school and college who rarely cracked open the books but aced the tests. Others had to work real hard to get it, but those lucky few just had to go over it once and they knew it better than most.
I'm not saying Manziel is like that, but what I am saying is everyone has their own way to learn and 24/7 isn't a requisite for success.
For all we know his blowing off steam before TC is a way to get focused on the season.
It's far too early to comment on his study habits and requirements before TC has even started. By next year we will know much better if he has to buckle down or if he's just a different type of person.

You have a point. My cousin would screw around in class, not pay attention to the teacher or take notes while making smart ass remarks and incur the teacher's wrath. But he could scan a book in a few minutes and ace all the tests even though the teachers hated him and were always trying to trip him up. But people like that are one in a thousand, and the odds that Manziel has that type of learning ability are pretty slim. Odds are he has a normal learning ability.

Studying football 24/7 is an obvious exaggeration as even Russell takes a day off now and then, and there's the possibility that Manziel is simply one of those guys that works hard and plays hard. Nothing wrong with that. But that's not the sense I'm getting from this guy. When the team that has the ability to make you the #1 overall pick suggests that you lay low for a couple of weeks and you decide instead to go out in the public and get Schmidt faced drunk, it kinda makes you wonder if he isn't a character out of Animal House.

[NorthHawk]

In my opinion, Manziels' success or failure will depend on whether his ability to improvise can translate to the NFL, not whether he out studies other players.
I hope it does because he can be an exciting player to watch, and maybe the OC will pare down the playbook for him early like we did for Russell.
That would decrease the amount of book learning he has to do.

Players and people have to be themselves to be successful. If you start restricting their behavior it seems to me bad things happen in other areas as that creativity or expression has to come out in some form.

[Futureite]

There is no way to know how much Manziel or any person puts into their craft unless you are around them all the time. I used to get this crap (and still do) where people ask, "how can you waste time blogging so much?" I usually do not respond, but I always feel like responding "how can you not work a 10 hour day and come home and work on music for 2 or 3 hrs or some other pursuit like I do? How can you stand not waking up at 7 for your 3 or 4 mile jog?" Very few people but the ones reading this post know I do any of that though. In fact, a lot of people perceive me to be a screw off. Despite that pwrception, I goddamn gaurantee you I will outwork or outfight you for anything I want to accomplish.

There is no one size fits all approach to success. You can keep your personality and still work insanely hard at your goals. You can have your outlets - be it a club, a blog, Twiiter, etc. and still be the hardest working person in your field. In fact, people that do engage in these things are often working harder than others. They are up later, have more energy and need more of a release.

The other thing is, study habits do not translate directlty to success. Everyone is defined by the moment, not the classeoom. I'll take a winner DNA and competitive fire 10 times out of 10 over a bookworm. Alex Smith graduated college more rhan a yr eaely, with honors. No QB studied harder than him before or since. He did not even rise to "decent" until he began to fight for his career like a caged animal. His recent success has more to do with the drive that he found to compete on the field than it does the much discussed coaching carousel. Manziel has that drive on the field. I think he'll be outstanding.