NorthHawk wrote:The NCAA isn't a development league.
A development league is where those that might have a future in the NFL AFTER college would learn and refine their craft.
The article emphasizes the QBs and points out many aren't ready for the NFL but if given a chance to develop they could be pretty good.
They also mention expansion to Europe and LA to name 2 places so a pool of more developed players could help keep or even increase parity across the league.
If you use the WFL as an example, Jim Kelly and Steve Young both benefited from playing at at higher level than College and from the European League there are a number of players that probably wouldn't have made it in the NFL if they hadn't had that opportunity.
I think and hope it happens. If, as the article suggests they limit the teams to a single smaller region, the league itself might be largely self sufficient.
If they could do that, it would be a bonus for both teams and fans.
NorthHawk wrote:The concept is being discussed at the higher levels - and has been for a few years.
I hope it works out.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/developmen ... mgAbMz_wgt.
RiverDog wrote:NorthHawk wrote:The concept is being discussed at the higher levels - and has been for a few years.
I hope it works out.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/developmen ... mgAbMz_wgt.
Yea, but you're talking about coaches like Tomlin and Fisher. It's not their money. Until these proposals start getting some traction with the guys that have to sign on the bottom line, ie the owners, it's nothing but a bunch of idle talk.
Seahawks4Ever wrote:The WFL failed because there just wasn't enough viable cities that could support professional football. I mean, how many cities did the NFL expand to after the WFL folded? 4? The AFL worked because there was plenty enough cities (and potential owners) that had wanted be NFL owners but the NFL was too myopic to expand. The NFL had expanded less the 10 years earlier when the old AAL had folded and they absorbed the Cleveland Browns, Baltimore Colts, and I believe the 49ners. The Browns then shocked the NFL by winning the NFL Championship their first couple of years in the league. That is one reason why they were glad the Green Bay Packers won the first two Super Bowls by double digits, can you imagine their embarrassment if the Chiefs and Raiders would have won the first two?? Namath and the Jets winning SBIII might have caused the merger to be happen on the AFL's terms and not the NFL's. in fact, the merger may not have happened at all.
The only two viable WFL teams that I remember were the New Jersey Generals, the team in Philly(I don't remember their name, Stars? Oh and I think the Gamblers were stable. There was no merger, even for the N.Y.Generals because the NFL didn't want Donald Trump to join their fraternity.
I think that is why the NFL tried that international league, they were hoping a few of the franchises would prove to be strong enough to eventually be folded into the parent league.
About 10-15 years ago the CFL was tottering on collapse and who knows, maybe some day many if not all of those CFL teams could be absorbed into the NFL and make it truly an international league. Who knows, maybe the NFL could even adopt some of the CFL's rules such as the 15 yard deep end zone or the mandatory kick off and punt returns??
HumanCockroach wrote:My bad, I was referring to the NFL Europe which for all intents and purposes was indeed a "developmental" league for the NFL. I referenced the WFL which was dumb ( I knew better but simply crossed the leagues) I apologize. The point remains that there is validity to a developmental league with or without parent clubs ( though personally I'm for , especially with this FO).
NorthHawk wrote:I don't think anyone is talking top draft choices.
I think it's about developing players that might be of the talent for Practice squads early in their careers, you know the types that show promise, but aren't quite good enough to make an NFL game day roster - and the article emphasizes Quarterback development as a particular need for today.
Players who are on the fringe, but need more playing time - guys who we now see bouncing around the league would benefit from the consistent playing time and better coaching.
It would help the game in my opinion if they could get this going and I hope they do.
RiverDog wrote:NorthHawk wrote:I don't think anyone is talking top draft choices.
I think it's about developing players that might be of the talent for Practice squads early in their careers, you know the types that show promise, but aren't quite good enough to make an NFL game day roster - and the article emphasizes Quarterback development as a particular need for today.
Players who are on the fringe, but need more playing time - guys who we now see bouncing around the league would benefit from the consistent playing time and better coaching.
It would help the game in my opinion if they could get this going and I hope they do.
If all they're going to do is put the long shots, ie the lower round draft choices and UDFA's, I don't see how that's going to justify what would have to be some huge operating expenses. Granted, quarterbacks can benefit from such a league, but what about the other 21 positions? Are the operating expenses and the liability risk worth a hand full of players that graduate from such a league?
HumanCockroach wrote: No one is going to grasp the value in that idea I guess.
c_hawkbob wrote:HumanCockroach wrote: No one is going to grasp the value in that idea I guess.
Wait, so if I don't repeat myself a thousand times like others in here I'm no one?
NorthHawk wrote:They can all benefit from extra play. The article emphasizes QB's, but it's meant to help and would help all players.
Look at a guy like Cameron Wake. He dominates at the NFL level, but if he hadn't got that extra playing time in the CFL, he wouldn't get a chance.
How many others are there that choose not to go to the CFL, or their game doesn't translate there that could make a living or push for a starting role in the NFL?
The article alludes to the Operating expenses would be recovered by TV rights, and during the time frame they suggest the league operate they would have very little competition.
I think something is in the works with one of the top NFL people openly discussing it.
RiverDog wrote:NorthHawk wrote:They can all benefit from extra play. The article emphasizes QB's, but it's meant to help and would help all players.
Look at a guy like Cameron Wake. He dominates at the NFL level, but if he hadn't got that extra playing time in the CFL, he wouldn't get a chance.
How many others are there that choose not to go to the CFL, or their game doesn't translate there that could make a living or push for a starting role in the NFL?
The article alludes to the Operating expenses would be recovered by TV rights, and during the time frame they suggest the league operate they would have very little competition.
I think something is in the works with one of the top NFL people openly discussing it.
If they don't go nation wide, it's hard to imagine that they'd reap a lot of revenue off TV rights.
NorthHawk wrote:Maybe, maybe not depending on how many people need their Football fix. NFL Network is the obvious choice - maybe ESPN if they run out of midget wrestling re-runs, but it wouldn't require a billion dollar cost from the networks for the rights.
Considering they talked about early in the year, they could be playing prior to the Draft which could bring about a whole new set of discussions and interest.
RiverDog wrote:NorthHawk wrote:They can all benefit from extra play. The article emphasizes QB's, but it's meant to help and would help all players.
Look at a guy like Cameron Wake. He dominates at the NFL level, but if he hadn't got that extra playing time in the CFL, he wouldn't get a chance.
How many others are there that choose not to go to the CFL, or their game doesn't translate there that could make a living or push for a starting role in the NFL?
The article alludes to the Operating expenses would be recovered by TV rights, and during the time frame they suggest the league operate they would have very little competition.
I think something is in the works with one of the top NFL people openly discussing it.
If they don't go nation wide, it's hard to imagine that they'd reap a lot of revenue off TV rights.
HumanCockroach wrote:[They don't need to reap much, enough to cover league costs in more than enough. This doesn't need to generate revenue, it needs to sustain and mitigate costs to the owners. The value lies in what players can be developed, to allow the league to reap the benefits at the NFL level.
( and to be honest, there would be PLENTY of networks chomping at the bit, to get in bed in any way shape or form with the NFL. Even if it is a watered down, bastardised version of it. Even the CFL, Arena, XFL, USFL etc were able to broker decent ifish deals, and those were not backed by the multi billion dollar giant)
Seahawks4Ever wrote:HCR, one huge problem is all of those under class players turning pro after only 1 or 2 years of college because they believe they are ready and aren't. Why keep rewarding these guys for leaving school too early? Oh, and even if they have not run "pro" style offenses in the NCAA they have most definitely been a minor league foot professional football and have been since the 1930's. Believe it or not, before the NCAA limited college football players to 4 years maximum in the 1920's or 1930's college football was way more popular than professional football. Guys like Red Grange played college football for years and years and were huge college football stars. In many cases professional football just couldn't get the very best college football players to quit playing college ball and turn pro.
RiverDog wrote:Outside of their signing bonus, minor league baseball players get paid peanuts, less than minimum wage, and have to live in guest homes. Russell Wilson was one such player. I don't think player salaries would be a huge expense nor a major motivation for a college player to give up a free ride scholarship.
I'm still waiting for someone to address my main concern, which is the increased liability that adding a couple hundred players and 60-70 games would go over with owners that are already on the hook for billions if these various lawsuits by former players are successful.
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