Kaepernick signs

[RiverDog]

What's the difference between the words "speculated" and "expected"? They both are used to describe the anticipation of an outcome of a certain event, do they not?

How do you know that RW doesn't do anymore to prepare than does Luck, Kaepernick, or Smith? At least we have multiple reports from a variety of sources that trumpet RW's preparation habits which are characterized as extraordinary or unparalleled whereas I don't see reports using the similar superlatives outside of the standard descriptions about the preparation habits of the other three you mentioned.

Alex's preparation was always hailed as extraordinary. You must have forgotten that he learned his 6th new system in 2011 and actually took JH's playbook during the lockout and taught it to the entire 49er O in "camp Alex" with no coaches onhand. The kid graduated with honors in 2.5 yrs. He also regularly won the 49ers' offseason physical challenges. I mean, give me a break RD. Those are facts, not recounts from other people.[/quote

So that means that RW doesn't do anymore to prepare than Kaep?

The point is that you don't know that RW doesn't do anymore to prepare for a game than Kaep, or the other two QB's you mentioned, anymore than I know that he does.

It's a pointless debate anyway. I have plenty of evidence, from numerous sources both nationwide as well as very local that Russell's work habits/study habits are quite unique.

[Anthony]

You make some fair points. And to be accurate, I do not believe Kaep is great. I think the argument we usually get into is over his intangibles. I believe he has the intangibles that are necessary to be great, plenty of peoplw outside of SF (and some in our fanbase) do not believe he does. One thing that is clear to me is that he could have pushed for more money from the 49ers and barring a bad/mediocore season in 2014, he certainly would have received more from another team. This league is short on talented (if not fully developed QBs) and the consensus was that he'd receivw at least $18 mil elsewhere.

Now consider this: if Kaep does do what many people do not believe he 'can' and he hits all of his performance based escalators, reports state that he will only earn $17.5 mil/yr. Even if he is a top 3 QB, he will by very definition be underpaid. And he knew that when he signed the contact. In fact, he publicly stated at the onset of these negotiations that he wanted a deal that would allow the 49ers to continue to sifn quality players. People that have not yet recognized the team player and leader that he is should begin to.

And for the record, yes, you have been fair in your analysis of Kaep overall. I did recognize it.

Actually you would be wrong, if Kap gets to his 17.5 mil next year he would be tied for highest paid on 2014

http://www.spotrac.com/rankings/nfl/quarterback/

You really need to check your info before you say things that are wrong, and in 2015 he will be top 10 which make shim far form underpaid.

[Anthony]

And I missed the first question. Speculation: to formulate a theory based on conjecture without firm evidence. People were merely guessing, or "speculating" that Kaep would comnand more than $20 mil; that he would raise the pay floor for so called 2nd tier QBs. There was no prior evidence to suggest that would happen though. On the otherhand, people did "expect" him to sign for $18 min, as there were relative comparables out there already making that (Cutler, Romo).

It is documented Kap wanting 18+ mil, but he settled for what he got, and in the end if he makes all his numbers he will be amongst the highest paid QBs in the league.

[Futureite]

And I missed the first question. Speculation: to formulate a theory based on conjecture without firm evidence. People were merely guessing, or "speculating" that Kaep would comnand more than $20 mil; that he would raise the pay floor for so called 2nd tier QBs. There was no prior evidence to suggest that would happen though. On the otherhand, people did "expect" him to sign for $18 min, as there were relative comparables out there already making that (Cutler, Romo).

It is documented Kap wanting 18+ mil, but he settled for what he got, and in the end if he makes all his numbers he will be amongst the highest paid QBs in the league.

There is an article up on ESPN that discusses how his contract is well below market value - even if he QB'd SB winning teams every season under the contract.

[HumanCockroach]

http://overthecap.com/top-player-salari ... osition=QB

They should do more research then. The brilliant thing about Kaps contract is the ability to get out of it for the Niners, not the money involved. Kap ranks sixth on the list, and is the only one without a ring.

[Anthony]

http://overthecap.com/top-player-salaries.php?Position=QB

They should do more research then. The brilliant thing about Kaps contract is the ability to get out of it for the Niners, not the money involved. Kap ranks sixth on the list, and is the only one without a ring.

Actually Ryan does not have a ring but your point is still valid, meanwhile RW is not even on the list, yet.

[Anthony]

And I missed the first question. Speculation: to formulate a theory based on conjecture without firm evidence. People were merely guessing, or "speculating" that Kaep would comnand more than $20 mil; that he would raise the pay floor for so called 2nd tier QBs. There was no prior evidence to suggest that would happen though. On the otherhand, people did "expect" him to sign for $18 min, as there were relative comparables out there already making that (Cutler, Romo).

It is documented Kap wanting 18+ mil, but he settled for what he got, and in the end if he makes all his numbers he will be amongst the highest paid QBs in the league.

There is an article up on ESPN that discusses how his contract is well below market value - even if he QB'd SB winning teams every season under the contract.

And yet no link HMMM, and then the link provided below your insane posts shows your wrong again.

[HumanCockroach]

My mistake, missed him when I glanced at the list. I'm not saying the guy is "over" paid, but I certainly wouldn't go with "under" either, no matter what the ESPN article said. The market is the market, and QB's are going to get paid, it's that simple whether they be Kap, or Manning or Brees or Wilson when his contract can be re worked. There really is no "under" paid guys moving forward. If it said he "will" be underpaid should he win SB after SB, AFTER SB, I might understand, but that is a whole lot of IDF's and maybe, right now, for what he has provided, he isn't close to being underpaid IMHO.

[Anthony]

My mistake, missed him when I glanced at the list. I'm not saying the guy is "over" paid, but I certainly wouldn't go with "under" either, no matter what the ESPN article said. The market is the market, and QB's are going to get paid, it's that simple whether they be Kap, or Manning or Brees or Wilson when his contract can be re worked. There really is no "under" paid guys moving forward. If it said he "will" be underpaid should he win SB after SB, AFTER SB, I might understand, but that is a whole lot of IDF's and maybe, right now, for what he has provided, he isn't close to being underpaid IMHO.

I would agree.