NFL TOP 100 Players Vote

[Anthony]

Well we now know that RW was voted top 5 QB, Sherman top CB, and ET top 20.

[jshawaii22]

So we have 4 in the top 20 (RW, Sherm, ET and Marshawn) and Kam.... seems about right.

Only one a top level draft pick. Says a lot about the FO.

js

[Seahawks4Ever]

Kam should have also been in the top 20, but, something tells me that will be rectified next year. There are some teams that have more than 5 players in the top 100 but how many have 4 in the top 20?

Max Unger if he can stay healthy and playing on an upgraded O-Line might even return to the top 100. Who knows? Maybe Okung can crack it too?

The D-Line players though because of their rotations might never crack the list, unless one of them has a monster year. I am thinking that maybe a linebacker might get a chance at it too one of these years.

[Agent 86]

This is the first time I have watched the top 100 show, not sure how many years they have been doing it.

What a fantastic show. From 100-50, there seemed to be at least 3-4 players per show who I had either never really heard of before or knew little about, and I watch a decent amount of football. Most were on the defensive side of the ball as I only play team defenses in my fantasy football league, so not up to par on a lot of individual players.

Definitely looking forward to the last 2 shows where we will see 4 Hawks profiled.

[Hawktawk]

Kam should have also been in the top 20, but, something tells me that will be rectified next year. There are some teams that have more than 5 players in the top 100 but how many have 4 in the top 20?

Max Unger if he can stay healthy and playing on an upgraded O-Line might even return to the top 100. Who knows? Maybe Okung can crack it too?

The D-Line players though because of their rotations might never crack the list, unless one of them has a monster year. I am thinking that maybe a linebacker might get a chance at it too one of these years.

Our Line-backing corps is one of the best in the league. Its ridiculous none of them got in the top 100, especially Wagner.

Chancellor was the best defender in the secondary in the Super Bowl. He set the tone with tattooing of Thomas. He garnered a huge pick, knocked the snot out of Welker numerous times including peeling off his assignment to destroy a seemingly open Welker. Hes the enforcer on the legion of boom.
These polls are fun but the reality is Seattle is the champ.

[Eaglehawk]

+1

[kalibane]

So this week illustrates exactly why I don't give crap about the top 100 and exposes the major flaw of this poll. People always like to think players are experts who's opinion means more than fans or media (I used to think that too). They aren't. Often times they actually know less and are at best no better than our opinions.

The reason why is the majority of players only know about their teammates and the players they had to play against/prepare for. They don't really pay attention to anything else. As a consequence, their opinions are skewed towards the guys they know, the guys who won and the guy's who have a great reputation.

Exhibit "A": Aaron Rodgers #11. Now I'm the guy who started a thread here questioning whether Rodgers just gets a little too much credit. But even I would never say he's not a top 10 player in the NFL.

Exhibit "B": JJ Watt #12. Watt was still the best defensive player in the NFL last year. Just because he didn't make a run at the sack record and the Texans were losers doesn't change that. I know people here will disagree because of Earl and Sherman, but Watt should be the highest defensive player on this list.

Exhibit "C": Matt Ryan. Matt Ryan was #17 last year when the Falcons went to the NFC Championship game. This year he didn't even make the list. Now while I don't believe Ryan is the 17th best player in the entire league. There is no way he's not in the top 100. He didn't really have a bad year. And no way he's not better than Joe Flacco.

These player polls are a joke.

[Anthony]

So this week illustrates exactly why I don't give crap about the top 100 and exposes the major flaw of this poll. People always like to think players are experts who's opinion means more than fans or media (I used to think that too). They aren't. Often times they actually know less and are at best no better than our opinions.

The reason why is the majority of players only know about their teammates and the players they had to play against/prepare for. They don't really pay attention to anything else. As a consequence, their opinions are skewed towards the guys they know, the guys who won and the guy's who have a great reputation.

Exhibit "A": Aaron Rodgers #11. Now I'm the guy who started a thread here questioning whether Rodgers just gets a little too much credit. But even I would never say he's not a top 10 player in the NFL.

Exhibit "B": JJ Watt #12. Watt was still the best defensive player in the NFL last year. Just because he didn't make a run at the sack record and the Texans were losers doesn't change that. I know people here will disagree because of Earl and Sherman, but Watt should be the highest defensive player on this list.

Exhibit "C": Matt Ryan. Matt Ryan was #17 last year when the Falcons went to the NFC Championship game. This year he didn't even make the list. Now while I don't believe Ryan is the 17th best player in the entire league. There is no way he's not in the top 100. He didn't really have a bad year. And no way he's not better than Joe Flacco.

These player polls are a joke.

Well considering they are usually base don how that player did the year before and Rodgers missed 7 games, In Ryan and Watts case it was about these great players not being able to lead their teams to more than 2 and 4 wins respectively. Personally I would have put Ryan on the list but he would have been low. However I Can understand why he was left off too.

[kalibane]

Well you're wrong then.

Matt Ryan had one of the worst offensive lines, one of the worst running games, one of the worst defensive lines in the league. And then Roddy White was injured and a shell of himself until the last few games of the season and Julio Jones broke his ankle.

Ryan still threw for 4500 yards and 26 TDs (17INTs) with a 67% completion rate. Meanwhile Joe Flacco who landed at #58 (or close) threw for 3900 yards and 19 TDs (22 INTs) with a 59% completion rate. It's absurd. Football is the ultimate team game and the Falcons were decimated by injury, and prior to this season the fewest games Ryan ever won was 9 (rookie year).

Same thing with Watt... he was the most impactful and disruptive player in the NFL on a play by play basis. He can't help the fact that Matt Schaub is out there acting like he gets a bonus for every pick 6 he throws.

As a Seahawk fan you should understand that after watching guys like Largent and Tez be phenomenal players stuck on terrible teams.

[Futureite]

Well you're wrong then.

Matt Ryan had one of the worst offensive lines, one of the worst running games, one of the worst defensive lines in the league. And then Roddy White was injured and a shell of himself until the last few games of the season and Julio Jones broke his ankle.

Ryan still threw for 4500 yards and 26 TDs (17INTs) with a 67% completion rate. Meanwhile Joe Flacco who landed at #58 (or close) threw for 3900 yards and 19 TDs (22 INTs) with a 59% completion rate. It's absurd. Football is the ultimate team game and the Falcons were decimated by injury, and prior to this season the fewest games Ryan ever won was 9 (rookie year).

Same thing with Watt... he was the most impactful and disruptive player in the NFL on a play by play basis. He can't help the fact that Matt Schaub is out there acting like he gets a bonus for every pick 6 he throws.

As a Seahawk fan you should understand that after watching guys like Largent and Tez be phenomenal players stuck on terrible teams.

I have to agree with you. I was not a Ryan guy until 2012 when I started watching the Falcons more often. The guy is a phenominal talent and clearly one of the best QBs in the game. He has incredible accuracy, a strong arm and a high football IQ. He is a classic franchise QB.

Watt is the best defensive player in the league. To me, given the way the Texans crumbled, Watt's play was even more impressive. He has elite pass rush skills, he dominates the run, and yet he still brings the type of nonstop motor that players with lesser talent bring to compensate for lack of ability. He has Lawrence Taylor type potential. Potential to be one of the best defensive players ever.

To me, Ryan not making the list is a joke. And Watt is a top 10 no brainer.

[Anthony]

Well you're wrong then.

Matt Ryan had one of the worst offensive lines, one of the worst running games, one of the worst defensive lines in the league. And then Roddy White was injured and a shell of himself until the last few games of the season and Julio Jones broke his ankle.

Ryan still threw for 4500 yards and 26 TDs (17INTs) with a 67% completion rate. Meanwhile Joe Flacco who landed at #58 (or close) threw for 3900 yards and 19 TDs (22 INTs) with a 59% completion rate. It's absurd. Football is the ultimate team game and the Falcons were decimated by injury, and prior to this season the fewest games Ryan ever won was 9 (rookie year).

Same thing with Watt... he was the most impactful and disruptive player in the NFL on a play by play basis. He can't help the fact that Matt Schaub is out there acting like he gets a bonus for every pick 6 he throws.

As a Seahawk fan you should understand that after watching guys like Largent and Tez be phenomenal players stuck on terrible teams.

How am I wrong I said based on last year and not leading their tams to better records, their teams had bad records seems pretty obvious I am right. Also I agree that Ryan should be on here, and Watt higher. All I am saying is why they where were they were that is what they said on the show.

[HumanCockroach]

Ultimately, the whole thing is just to have something to show during the "dead" period, and is meant to garner interest and debate ( which it obviously is doing) Saying the fans know this or that is kind of silly to me, where the fans ranked players has been put up after each show, and the Hawks players ALL would have been ranked hhigher then they ended up being. Most rank players on what they did the season before ( as do most fans) coming into the season, Rodgers is coming off an injury, Watt, while special played on a 2-14 team, there are a TON of reasons for players to move up or down, using your own barometer KAL, I could argue Harvin should be ranked highly because he is a dangerous athlete ( and he indeed was ranked last season even though he missed half the season before). The last season matters, how their team did matters, and has always mattered.Do you think if Brady played on a team that won less than 6 games the last 8 years he would be ranked in the top five? Or Manning or any other player? Of course not, because when everything is taken into account wins and losses, injuries, stats, and more importantly BIG GAME CHANGING PLAYS is what players remember ( hence how Romo gets left off almost always do to his failed moments).

its a subjective list by a ton of players, and as always "subjective" doesn't always jive with what this guy or that guy feels about it.

[burrrton]

To me, given the way the Texans crumbled, Watt's play was even more impressive.

Yeah, it would have been easy for the guy to put it in neutral, but nobody, and I mean *nobody*, seemed more bugged about their downturn than him.

Love that guy.

[kalibane]

Ultimately, the whole thing is just to have something to show during the "dead" period, and is meant to garner interest and debate ( which it obviously is doing) Saying the fans know this or that is kind of silly to me, where the fans ranked players has been put up after each show, and the Hawks players ALL would have been ranked hhigher then they ended up being. Most rank players on what they did the season before ( as do most fans) coming into the season, Rodgers is coming off an injury, Watt, while special played on a 2-14 team, there are a TON of reasons for players to move up or down, using your own barometer KAL, I could argue Harvin should be ranked highly because he is a dangerous athlete ( and he indeed was ranked last season even though he missed half the season before). The last season matters, how their team did matters, and has always mattered.Do you think if Brady played on a team that won less than 6 games the last 8 years he would be ranked in the top five? Or Manning or any other player? Of course not, because when everything is taken into account wins and losses, injuries, stats, and more importantly BIG GAME CHANGING PLAYS is what players remember ( hence how Romo gets left off almost always do to his failed moments).

its a subjective list by a ton of players, and as always "subjective" doesn't always jive with what this guy or that guy feels about it.

I believe you missed the point of my post which was that the players' opinions mean way less and have way less expertise behind them then a lot of people believe.

Obviously they are subjective... and meaningless. My comments are basically just a premptive strike for when someone inevitably tries to use this top 100 list as a evidence of one player being better than another one 3 months from now.

[HumanCockroach]

Realistically, players view this as "respect" just like the Pro Bowl, but ultimately it's a popularity contest ( no different from the pro bowl in that regard). Plenty of players make the list on name recognisition,and using it is a pretty weak argument , as is often times a pro bowl nod. Just filler.

[Seahawks4Ever]

Our players are only now getting the air play they need to do well in these popularity contests. ET was #17 this but was #66 last year. 66, that sounds familiar? Oh yeah, that's what Kam Chancellor is at this year, next year I am sure he breaks into the top 20.

Marshawn Lynch says he wants to be paid like a Top "3" RB, the thing is, his own peers have said he is the 4th. best RB and not at all in the same class as the top 3 RB's all three of whom are in the TOP 10 according to their peers.

3 RB's in the TOP TEN, at least NFL players place a high value on Running Backs!

Russell Wilson is officially a Top 5 QB. Wilson was happy to be at 20 after only his second year Aaron Rodgers though has to feel slighted that he is at #11 just outside the Top 10 and below Drew Brees. Actually, I thought Phillip Rivers would be higher and I am shocked that Matt Ryan didn't even make the list.

Casserly says there are 12 (count'em) NFL QB's he would pick BEFORE he picked Russell Wilson. Well, there are 32 teams that didn't pick Casserly as their GM so I don't think he should talk! (I lifted that from the WEB.)

I have heard every "excuse" in the world as to why our team was successful last season except that they are very talented and very well coached. It seems they should be happy that they play in a "system" that turns there otherwise mediocre talents into world beaters, good grief. Go ahead and continue to diss on our Seahawks they are just going to make a list and check it twice to see who deserves a further beat down.

[kalibane]

I will say the one thing that makes me laugh about the Aaron Rodgers thing which goes to my whole idea that even though he's a great player he's still somehow over rated.

After this his place was revealed in the Top 100 someone wrote an entire column devoted to how preposterous it was and how the NFL better watch out because now Aaron Rodgers is going to take this disrespect and go into scorched earth mode on the rest of the leage.

People have thrown around how Aaron Rodgers legendarily uses that chip on his shoulder to make people pay for under estimating him for a good 3-4 years now. I remember it being a major narrative heading into the Green Bay/SF playoff game in 2012. How Aaron Rdogers has never let go of the fact that he was the local boy who's favorite team was the 49ers and they passed over him for Alex Smith and now he was back in SF to make them pay.

Only one problem. He keeps losing to SF. He's 2-4 against SF in his career and in the playoff games he has been not all that great (outplayed by Kaepernick). So.. if he keeps blowing it in the games against the opponent he has the biggest grudge agains... how legendary can he be with this whole chip on the shoulder thing?

[NorthHawk]

My understanding is it was a poll about the best players in 2013, not their careers.
Therefore, Rodgers who was injured for about 40% of the season would have a lesser year than previous.
In that light, he shouldn't have been ranked anywhere near the top QBs for this one year.

[kalibane]

Technically It's the best 100 players of 2014. They are using last year's performances but it's supposed to reflect right now going forward. Not that it makes much difference, I'll buy the injury thing even if it doesn't make sense. If you are really counting Aaron Rodgers injury then it cuts the other way and he shouldn't even be #11.

Matt Ryan not being on the list at all is the most obvious example of what a farce this poll is. He's not my favorite guy, he kind of comes across like a piece of wood, but one bad season from a win/loss perspective when your team kind of sucked and was ravaged by injury on top of that doesn't make you a bad player. How many winning seasons did Barry Sanders have again?

[HumanCockroach]

Technically It's the best 100 players of 2014. They are using last year's performances but it's supposed to reflect right now going forward. Not that it makes much difference, I'll buy the injury thing even if it doesn't make sense. If you are really counting Aaron Rodgers injury then it cuts the other way and he shouldn't even be #11.

Matt Ryan not being on the list at all is the most obvious example of what a farce this poll is. He's not my favorite guy, he kind of comes across like a piece of wood, but one bad season from a win/loss perspective when your team kind of sucked and was ravaged by injury on top of that doesn't make you a bad player. How many winning seasons did Barry Sanders have again?

I agree with you Kal, but like I said, it isn't an "accurate" list, it is simply filler for the dead time. You want a travesty, check out the top one hundred players of all time they did last year ( or maybe it was the year before) only three teams not represented and I'll give you one guess as to one of them that didn't garner a single player even though they have two first ballot HOF'rs on their resume and one of the most disruptive DT's to have ever graced a football field....