American Muscle to revisit the Sherman Crabtree debacle

[HumanCockroach]

And those statements clarify that it isn't about skill or ability for you, it's a bias plain and simple. No ONE and I do mean no one with any knowledge or judgement ability in regards to that position write him off as "not that good" hell your HOF corner that you were all sorts of on his jock has called him the best corner period in the game.Shermans "idea of winning" involves of all things winning, not just nicknames, or trash talk, but the hardware that according to you is all that matters. He has more interceptions, more passes defensed, and a lower completion percentage against than just about every defensive back that has ever played on a NFL field, and still you claim he isn't all that good?

There's stupid, and then there's STUPID and then's there's statements like that.

[RiverDog]

You're comical Future, you really are and you - just - don't - get it.

You're every bit as obsessed with Richard Sherman as the rest of the twittersphere is, which means he's winning, any way you look at it. Every single time you speak or especially write his name he gets another notch up on the fame game ... it doesn't matter whether what you are saying is in favor of or against him, or your childish little "well the people I know don't like him" ... just the fact that he's foremost in your consciousness is a win for him.

Like Ali, half the people wanted to see him win, half the people wanted to see him lose, but nobody didn't want to see him. Made him the most valuable commodity of his universe, just like you're making Richard Sherman the most valuable commodity of this one.

The guy is not foremost in anything. If there is a thread up, I'll respond to it. If he makes headlines for yapping, I'll probably post on it. That's it. To be 100% honest I do not believe the guy is good enough to be upset over, even as a fan. If his idea of "winning" is grabbing attention by acting like a complete moron, then he can join Christina Ritchie, Justin Beiber and the countless other celebs who get 1,000,000 clicks. But it is awesome that you acknowledge his motivation and what he's all about. He's a TV guy, as Crab said.

We all get rhe counterargument. I am sure he is deep inside every player's head by insulting Bayless. That sure f'd up every NFL wr lol. He's just a dude that has zero impulse control or filter. I seriously doubt he'd be any different if he were a baker st a doughnut shop.

Good for him. Next.

The one thing I will criticize Sherman for was his "me first" rant after the NFC Championship game, an act Sherman himself apologized for, and of which I've accepted. It was a stupid, selfish act to start jacking his jaws about how he was the best cornerback in the game. It should have been about the team, not Richard Sherman.

But that's where I stop. Sherman IS the best cornerback in the game, and I don't understand how you can say he's not "good enough" for anything football-related. The trash talk, the Twitter tweets, the "TV guy" image, is all part of his game. It's not a part I like but it is what it is.

[Futureite]

You're comical Future, you really are and you - just - don't - get it.

You're every bit as obsessed with Richard Sherman as the rest of the twittersphere is, which means he's winning, any way you look at it. Every single time you speak or especially write his name he gets another notch up on the fame game ... it doesn't matter whether what you are saying is in favor of or against him, or your childish little "well the people I know don't like him" ... just the fact that he's foremost in your consciousness is a win for him.

Like Ali, half the people wanted to see him win, half the people wanted to see him lose, but nobody didn't want to see him. Made him the most valuable commodity of his universe, just like you're making Richard Sherman the most valuable commodity of this one.

The guy is not foremost in anything. If there is a thread up, I'll respond to it. If he makes headlines for yapping, I'll probably post on it. That's it. To be 100% honest I do not believe the guy is good enough to be upset over, even as a fan. If his idea of "winning" is grabbing attention by acting like a complete moron, then he can join Christina Ritchie, Justin Beiber and the countless other celebs who get 1,000,000 clicks. But it is awesome that you acknowledge his motivation and what he's all about. He's a TV guy, as Crab said.

We all get rhe counterargument. I am sure he is deep inside every player's head by insulting Bayless. That sure f'd up every NFL wr lol. He's just a dude that has zero impulse control or filter. I seriously doubt he'd be any different if he were a baker st a doughnut shop.

Good for him. Next.

The one thing I will criticize Sherman for was his "me first" rant after the NFC Championship game, an act Sherman himself apologized for, and of which I've accepted. It was a stupid, selfish act to start jacking his jaws about how he was the best cornerback in the game. It should have been about the team, not Richard Sherman.

But that's where I stop. Sherman IS the best cornerback in the game, and I don't understand how you can say he's not "good enough" for anything football-related. The trash talk, the Twitter tweets, the "TV guy" image, is all part of his game. It's not a part I like but it is what it is.

I put him in the top 3, and that's where I believe he belongs. I've said before that IMO he lacks the top end speed to be a true shutdown corner. I dare you to name just one man to man lockdown corner that dis not have elite upper 5% speed. Darrel Green, Revis, Woodson, Sanders all had that elite, world class makeup speed. You flat out cannot stick every team's number 1 guy without it, and I've been posting that since we started this discussion. There are a lot of guys that Sherman simoly cannit run with, and could not jam at the line every play. He has THE fastest sideline to sideline free safety playing behind him and he plays facing the QB most times in zone coverage. When I see LBs on your team start a couple games and post 4 or 5 picks, that tells me the entire system forces turnovers. And his INT figures are always the first stat he lists. Hey, our Tramaine Brock has 7 ints in 10 starts. Maybe he should start to talk?

Look, he gets off on insulting people. He really does. I don't like people like him. I don't care if we burn him or taunt him or ignore him. He has me no more excited to play Seattle than before. If by some bizarre twist of fate he ended up here I still woukdn't like him. I couldn't stand TO and really didn't like Vernon until Dinglebarry fixed him. There is no fixing Sherman though. He is who he is.

[Anthony]

I put him in the top 3, and that's where I believe he belongs. I've said before that IMO he lacks the top end speed to be a true shutdown corner. I dare you to name just one man to man lockdown corner that dis not have elite upper 5% speed. Darrel Green, Revis, Woodson, Sanders all had that elite, world class makeup speed. You flat out cannot stick every team's number 1 guy without it, and I've been posting that since we started this discussion. There are a lot of guys that Sherman simoly cannit run with, and could not jam at the line every play. He has THE fastest sideline to sideline free safety playing behind him and he plays facing the QB most times in zone coverage. When I see LBs on your team start a couple games and post 4 or 5 picks, that tells me the entire system forces turnovers. And his INT figures are always the first stat he lists. Hey, our Tramaine Brock has 7 ints in 10 starts. Maybe he should start to talk?

Look, he gets off on insulting people. He really does. I don't like people like him. I don't care if we burn him or taunt him or ignore him. He has me no more excited to play Seattle than before. If by some bizarre twist of fate he ended up here I still woukdn't like him. I couldn't stand TO and really didn't like Vernon until Dinglebarry fixed him. There is no fixing Sherman though. He is who he is.

Well given you are always wrong and always have a personnel reason for everything, we can safely ignore were you put him and go were the players and other put him which is #1. However what I find interesting is the reason you dislike Sherman, considering you are the Sherman of this forum, it surprises me, of course unlike Sherman who can back up his talk, you cannot, you just talk and are wrong.

[RiverDog]

I put him in the top 3, and that's where I believe he belongs. I've said before that IMO he lacks the top end speed to be a true shutdown corner. I dare you to name just one man to man lockdown corner that dis not have elite upper 5% speed. Darrel Green, Revis, Woodson, Sanders all had that elite, world class makeup speed. You flat out cannot stick every team's number 1 guy without it, and I've been posting that since we started this discussion. There are a lot of guys that Sherman simoly cannit run with, and could not jam at the line every play. He has THE fastest sideline to sideline free safety playing behind him and he plays facing the QB most times in zone coverage. When I see LBs on your team start a couple games and post 4 or 5 picks, that tells me the entire system forces turnovers. And his INT figures are always the first stat he lists. Hey, our Tramaine Brock has 7 ints in 10 starts. Maybe he should start to talk?

Look, he gets off on insulting people. He really does. I don't like people like him. I don't care if we burn him or taunt him or ignore him. He has me no more excited to play Seattle than before. If by some bizarre twist of fate he ended up here I still woukdn't like him. I couldn't stand TO and really didn't like Vernon until Dinglebarry fixed him. There is no fixing Sherman though. He is who he is.

I can handle top 3. That's fair.

But what's not fair is your constantly comparing him to T.O. who had multiple locker room issuses on multiple teams. Sherman hasn't had a single one. Nothing. Nada. Your calling him a thug is without justification as well.

It used to be that I didn't like Sherman, either, until I read a little bit about his bio. I gained a whole lot of respect for him after reading it, and I would suggest that you do, too, then come back and tell what a bad cat this guy is. I'll never accept his antics, but after reading the bio, I like him a lot better as a person.

[c_hawkbob]

You're comical Future, you really are and you - just - don't - get it.

You're every bit as obsessed with Richard Sherman as the rest of the twittersphere is, which means he's winning, any way you look at it. Every single time you speak or especially write his name he gets another notch up on the fame game ... it doesn't matter whether what you are saying is in favor of or against him, or your childish little "well the people I know don't like him" ... just the fact that he's foremost in your consciousness is a win for him.

Like Ali, half the people wanted to see him win, half the people wanted to see him lose, but nobody didn't want to see him. Made him the most valuable commodity of his universe, just like you're making Richard Sherman the most valuable commodity of this one.

The guy is not foremost in anything. If there is a thread up, I'll respond to it. If he makes headlines for yapping, I'll probably post on it. That's it. To be 100% honest I do not believe the guy is good enough to be upset over, even as a fan. If his idea of "winning" is grabbing attention by acting like a complete moron, then he can join Christina Ritchie, Justin Beiber and the countless other celebs who get 1,000,000 clicks. But it is awesome that you acknowledge his motivation and what he's all about. He's a TV guy, as Crab said.

We all get rhe counterargument. I am sure he is deep inside every player's head by insulting Bayless. That sure f'd up every NFL wr lol. He's just a dude that has zero impulse control or filter. I seriously doubt he'd be any different if he were a baker st a doughnut shop.

Good for him. Next.

Your previous posts belie this one. Big time.

[HumanCockroach]

LOL, EVEN Futures "not very good" places him in the top three...... IMHO that would raise him automatically a couple spots, as we all know how "objective" he is with Seahawks players in general, much less one that rubs him the wrong way.

[kalibane]

I dare you to name just one man to man lockdown corner that dis not have elite upper 5% speed.

Mel Blount. Aeneas Williams.

This point is wrong on many levels. 1. Straight line top end speed is not the same as closing speed. Watch the tape on Sherman he closes as well if not better than any corner in the NFL. That's why he has so many interceptions because he's able to bait QBs into thinking their receiver is open and then he closes and makes the interception. 2. It's quite ironic considering Jerry Rice never clocked a 40 time under 4.55 but ran by guys who ran in the 4.3 - 4.4 range.

When I see LBs on your team start a couple games and post 4 or 5 picks, that tells me the entire system forces turnovers.

It tells me you should be paying attention to snap count instead of who technically starts.

And his INT figures are always the first stat he lists.

So? He leads the NFL in practically every other metric used to measure DB performance over the past three years. Passes defended, completion percentage against, QB rating against, yards per catch against. The fact that he mentions INTs first doesn't negate the rest.

Besides... the whole reason that interceptions are considered an unreliable stat is because if you have a lot of interceptions it means you have a lot of opportunities which means QBs feel comfortable throwing at you. That's why Deion never led the league in picks. Sherman is an anomaly. He's the least targeted CB in the entire NFL and still led the league in interceptions. THAT is why his interception totals are so impressive because it's not supposed to work that way.

Tramaine Brock is one of your usual straw man tactics. Brock was targeted 83 times this year despite as you said not being a starter and thus not being on the field on every down in every game. Sherman was targeted only 58 times in 16 games as a starter. Brock was being picked on. Sherman was being avoided and still led the league in interceptions.

Sherman intercepted the ball on 13.8% of the passes that were thrown at him, which is an insane number. To put that in perspective, Brock only intercepted 6% of the passes that were directed toward him which was still good for 5th in the league. Sherman is so far ahead of the rest of the NFL it's laughable. (the next closest guy is at 9% and everyone else in the league is 6.5% and below)

Patrick Peterson? 90 targets, 3 interceptions (3.33%) 8 TDs given up (9%) and 267 more yards allowed.

Sherman 58 targets, 8 interceptions (13.8%), 2 TDs given up (3.4%)

According to you the guy that QBs are going after more and having more success against is the shutdown corner in this discussion. Why because Sherman didn't run a 4.3 and plays cover 3? Hey smart guy... Rod Woodson played in Dick Lebeau's zone blitz scheme which has way more traditional zone responsibilities than Seattle's cover 3. He also didn't follow a WR around the field. I guess you shouldn't be including him in your list of elite lock down corners. Darrell Green also played a ton of zone.

Okay.

[c_hawkbob]

I dare you to name just one man to man lockdown corner that dis not have elite upper 5% speed.

Mel Blount. Aeneas Williams.

This point is wrong on many levels. 1. Straight line top end speed is not the same as closing speed. Watch the tape on Sherman he closes as well if not better than any corner in the NFL. That's why he has so many interceptions because he's able to bait QBs into thinking their receiver is open and then he closes and makes the interception. 2. It's quite ironic considering Jerry Rice never clocked a 40 time under 4.55 but ran by guys who ran in the 4.3 - 4.4 range.

When I see LBs on your team start a couple games and post 4 or 5 picks, that tells me the entire system forces turnovers.

It tells me you should be paying attention to snap count instead of who technically starts.

And his INT figures are always the first stat he lists.

So? He leads the NFL in practically every other metric used to measure DB performance over the past three years. Passes defended, completion percentage against, QB rating against, yards per catch against. The fact that he mentions INTs first doesn't negate the rest.

Besides... the whole reason that interceptions are considered an unreliable stat is because if you have a lot of interceptions it means you have a lot of opportunities which means QBs feel comfortable throwing at you. That's why Deion never led the league in picks. Sherman is an anomaly. He's the least targeted CB in the entire NFL and still led the league in interceptions. THAT is why his interception totals are so impressive because it's not supposed to work that way.

Tramaine Brock is one of your usual straw man tactics. Brock was targeted 83 times this year despite as you said not being a starter and thus not being on the field on every down in every game. Sherman was targeted only 58 times in 16 games as a starter. Brock was being picked on. Sherman was being avoided and still led the league in interceptions.

Sherman intercepted the ball on 13.8% of the passes that were thrown at him, which is an insane number. To put that in perspective, Brock only intercepted 6% of the passes that were directed toward him which was still good for 5th in the league. Sherman is so far ahead of the rest of the NFL it's laughable.

Patrick Peterson? 90 targets, 3 interceptions (3.33%) 8 TDs given up (9%) and 267 more yards allowed.

Sherman 58 targets, 8 interceptions (13.8%), 2 TDs given up (3.4%)

According to you the guy that QBs are going after more and having more success against is the shutdown corner in this discussion.

Okay.

POW! knocked that one out of park Kal!

[c_hawkbob]

For you Future: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJmeAr7iiTI

[Hawktown]

For you Future: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJmeAr7iiTI

LOL!! That is good!!!

[Hawktawk]

LMAO.

Sherman is Ali as a cornerback. Sherm wasn't the first to say he was the best and Ali said "greatest". But they both backed it up. Sherman was brilliant focusing the pre Super bowl hype on him taking pressure off his team. I was one of the fans ragging on him a while back but I'm over it. Its part of his fabric and what makes him good.

[Futureite]

For you Future: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJmeAr7iiTI

Haha gotcha. At least my phone pulled that one up. He is not the worst guy in the world, just a narcistic prick. Doesn't mean I want him fined or injured or even burnt and shown up like a lot of Niner fans do - in fact I'd prefer they show him up by acting like they've been there - but I will call him what he is without reservation when the topic of the thread calls for it.

On the subject of football, September 4th is voing to be awesome for all fans. Cannot wait to see what goes down. Not to mention it's the start of the season.

[burrrton]

I will call him what he is without reservation when the topic of the thread calls for it.

You'll also call him, apparently, whatever you've decided he is in the face of all evidence to the contrary, Mr. MindFcked.

You sure he's not coming for your kids at this point??

[Futureite]

I will call him what he is without reservation when the topic of the thread calls for it.

You'll also call him, apparently, whatever you've decided he is in the face of all evidence to the contrary, Mr. MindFcked.

You sure he's not coming for your kids at this point??

No, it's just like the Fail Mary, you guys are going to defend this guy to no end no matter what he says, just like you defended that play. Now I am not one to say majority opinion makes anything true, but if you do not at least acknowledge it then you can never truly gague how rational your opinion is. Lol seriously, that is actually where you should start with anything you analyze - by looking at popular opinion or common perception. It doesn't make me mind-f'd or a homer or anything else when I post he's a d-wad with no impulse control. It actually means that I am perceiving his actions rationally, the way most other people are.

I know he's a good player who studies hard and competes like crazy. He also makes a lot of clutch plays. But in my opinion, he is not Ali or Jordan or anything close. He is what I just posted, and he is put in an ideal situation for his skillset with outsanding players around him. To be fair, I do not put Aldon Smith on that level either, despite his gaudy sack totals. Sherman could never lock down Randy Moss in his prime and follow him all over the field the way Revis did, on an island. He does not have the type of makeup speed that a corner like Revis had (or Aneas William or Green etc) and that's why he could not shaddow every teams best with no help.

Kinda over talking about this guys's mouth until the next dumb thing the Stanford grad says. Then I'll prob post on it again if someone puts up a thread blaming the other player.

[burrrton]

No, it's just like the Fail Mary, you guys are going to defend this guy to no end no matter what he says, just like you defended that play.

And you're going to ignore all evidence to the contrary, just like on that play.

You want everyone to review what was found in the slow-mo, Future, or you just want to stick with the knee-jerk caricatures you formed the instant the play was over?

Let us know. It's the offseason- we have time.

It doesn't make me mind-f'd or a homer or anything else when I post he's a d-wad with no impulse control.

When he's shown a remarkable level of impulse control, the hell it doesn't.

You're the poster boy of mind-fcked.

Kinda over talking about this guys's mouth until the next dumb thing the Stanford grad says. Then I'll prob post on it again if someone puts up a thread blaming the other player.

You're not "over" anything, Future.

Again, he's so far under your skin you piss Seahawk Blue and everyone reading here can see it. Posting "I CALLZ EM LIKE I SEEZ EM" over and over isn't fooling anybody anymore after this meltdown.

[edit]

It's funny- I'm not even someone predisposed to defending Sherman's actions. I didn't like it, and I thought it was poor sportsmanship-ish (allowing for how much Crab asked for it).

But you're so full of sh*t, Future, you're goading me into defending the guy. Congrats, I guess.

[RiverDog]

I will call him what he is without reservation when the topic of the thread calls for it.

You'll also call him, apparently, whatever you've decided he is in the face of all evidence to the contrary, Mr. MindFcked.

You sure he's not coming for your kids at this point??

No, it's just like the Fail Mary, you guys are going to defend this guy to no end no matter what he says, just like you defended that play. Now I am not one to say majority opinion makes anything true, but if you do not at least acknowledge it then you can never truly gague how rational your opinion is. Lol seriously, that is actually where you should start with anything you analyze - by looking at popular opinion or common perception. It doesn't make me mind-f'd or a homer or anything else when I post he's a d-wad with no impulse control. It actually means that I am perceiving his actions rationally, the way most other people are.

I know he's a good player who studies hard and competes like crazy. He also makes a lot of clutch plays. But in my opinion, he is not Ali or Jordan or anything close. He is what I just posted, and he is put in an ideal situation for his skillset with outsanding players around him. To be fair, I do not put Aldon Smith on that level either, despite his gaudy sack totals. Sherman could never lock down Randy Moss in his prime and follow him all over the field the way Revis did, on an island. He does not have the type of makeup speed that a corner like Revis had (or Aneas William or Green etc) and that's why he could not shaddow every teams best with no help.

Kinda over talking about this guys's mouth until the next dumb thing the Stanford grad says. Then I'll prob post on it again if someone puts up a thread blaming the other player.

First of all, I never defended "Fail Mary." Tate should have been called for OPI prior to the catch. But I'm not apologizing, not coming from a team that has been the victim of some of the worst calls/officiating in the history of the game. It was about time we ended up with the long end of the stick on a bad call.

Secondly, you've now ventured into using former HOF quality players to attack Sherman's ability, something that can be neither proven or disproven. Why can't you use his contemporaries? Tell us what receiver Sherman can't lock down? Megatron? Dez Bryant? AJ Green? Tell us so we can look for those matchups when they occur.

[burrrton]

Tate should have been called for OPI prior to the catch.

For the record, I mostly agree (with the caveat that they never, ever seem to call any pushing beforehand), but I now work under the assumption that's not what anyone is referring to if they want to argue about the "Fail Mary".

[Futureite]

You'll also call him, apparently, whatever you've decided he is in the face of all evidence to the contrary, Mr. MindFcked.

You sure he's not coming for your kids at this point??[/quote]

No, it's just like the Fail Mary, you guys are going to defend this guy to no end no matter what he says, just like you defended that play. Now I am not one to say majority opinion makes anything true, but if you do not at least acknowledge it then you can never truly gague how rational your opinion is. Lol seriously, that is actually where you should start with anything you analyze - by looking at popular opinion or common perception. It doesn't make me mind-f'd or a homer or anything else when I post he's a d-wad with no impulse control. It actually means that I am perceiving his actions rationally, the way most other people are.

I know he's a good player who studies hard and competes like crazy. He also makes a lot of clutch plays. But in my opinion, he is not Ali or Jordan or anything close. He is what I just posted, and he is put in an ideal situation for his skillset with outsanding players around him. To be fair, I do not put Aldon Smith on that level either, despite his gaudy sack totals. Sherman could never lock down Randy Moss in his prime and follow him all over the field the way Revis did, on an island. He does not have the type of makeup speed that a corner like Revis had (or Aneas William or Green etc) and that's why he could not shaddow every teams best with no help.

Kinda over talking about this guys's mouth until the next dumb thing the Stanford grad says. Then I'll prob post on it again if someone puts up a thread blaming the other player.[/quote]

First of all, I never defended "Fail Mary." Tate should have been called for OPI prior to the catch.

Secondly, you've now ventured into using former HOF quality players to attack Sherman's ability, something that can be neither proven or disproven. Why can't you use his contemporaries? Tell us what receiver Sherman can't lock down?
Megatron? Dez Bryant? AJ Green? Tell us so we can look for those matchups when they occur.[/quote]

Lol "prior to the catch". I caught that, no pun intended. Unless you were talking about Jennings' catch. I just find it extremely ironic when I get called out as a homer here (which is not often, I should add) for certain opinions when there are obviously a couple voiced here that do not match public perception. But it is a Seahawk site and you are gracious enough to.put up with a Niner fan, so I get it.

Who does Sherman have trouble with? A receiver with pure speed or smaller and shiftier. Titus Young and Stevie Johnson are examples. His ideal matchup is a big bodied receiver in the 6'3 range who he can get his hands on early and play physical even deeper into the route. That's his entire game, that's what he is good at. CB is not like WR or other positions where an average athlete like Jerry Rice or Steve Largent can become great. CBs are always at a disadvantage; they have to anticipate and make up ground. Sherman could not Shaddow every team's best #1 consistently throughout an entire season, because he does not have the elite speed that nearly EVERY shutdown corner past and present has had. Current: Peterson, Revis, Crimarty - all 4.3 guys. Past: Green, A. Williams, Woodson, Sanders - all 4.3 or even faster, legitimately. All could play on an island and not only jam, but cover smaller, shiftier WRs.

You can say sherman shut down X, Y and Z , but you also have to look at his responibilities. Maxwell had 4 ints in 5 games. Is he the next shutdown corner like Revis? Or do they both possess a unuque skillset that is maximized in their scheme. I put Sherman in the top 3, but not the stuff if legends. Which one of the reasons his yapping gets so annoying. Talent wise, he is no better than a Crabtree. Put Crab with the O equivalent of what Sherman has on D and he'd routinely be near the top of the league in all major stats.

[Futureite]

System didn't separate my quote from yours.

[HumanCockroach]

Well I guess us homers here in Seattle will just have to trust those HOF corners like Neon that put him in the same category as them. I'm sure you have a more in tune judgement than those HOF guys that have played the position with which to base your opinion. Deion probably just doesn't know what he's talking about..... LMAO....

The facts are there and they simply don't lie for any "objective" person to decipher. Less targets than those listed, lower completion percentage against, more interceptions, and pass break ups. More than one way to skin a cat and Shermans study habits, length, anticipation,and ball skills, obviously more than make up for the 1/10th of a second on his straight line 40 speed you seem so enamored with.

Also, would be wise for you to come to grips with being ABLE to "follow" a receiver and DOING so isn't the same thing, and MOST credible experts on DB play understand that. Deion didn't do so his entire career, period. He played "one side" for LONG stretches of his career, as did Green and several HOF corners. Why you might ask yourself? Well because the OTHER corner was good as well, meaning the could actually handle the number one receiver, they did not NEED to compensate for an area of "weakness" on the defense. Which unfortunately for you ( and any team that plays the Seahawks) id I'd exactly why Sherman does not HAVE to "follow" the "number 1" receiver on every play.

When the Pats adjust to having a slower Browner on their D ( and believe me they will HAVE to) and Revis has to stick with smaller quicker WR's ( who typically are NOT the number one receiver on their team) does he then become not what he was? Of course not, and only an idiot would argue otherwise.

I'd be happy to post a few links on what Deion, Brooks, Dungy etc had to say about Shermans Sherman's "ability" if you think it would help you out. Just let me know if there is some confusion on your part....

[kalibane]

No use. He's gone full on troll. Notice how his new thing is harping on speed and interceptions when no one here has ever used his interception total as the foundation for his status as best corner. He's just inventing crap to argue with and then when I posted directly to all his points he just ignored it. Aside from throwing Aneus Williams into his criteria (who FYI didn't have top end speed) some one he never mentioned until I did.

This is a joke. He's just trying to antagonize. So let me return the favor. You hear when they asked manning about staying away from Sherman and he said he wouldn't stay away from him in general but he wouldn't try throwing a fade route on him? I guess Kaep knows better though. Lol

[monkey]

Mel Blount.

You beat me to it. When I read his question, as soon as I finished reading the sentence I immediately thought "You never heard of Mel Blount, moron?"

[HumanCockroach]

Why go into the past, how about Joe Haden? Guy is considered a lock down corner right now in the top 5 in the NFL currently playing, and he is SLOWER than Sherman. There has been lterally DOZENS of "shut down" corners that weren't the fastest in the NFL, and yet, they find a way to excel. Revis is about a 1/10th of a second faster than Sherman, Sherman is around a 1/10th of a second faster than Haden. It's plain STUPID to claim the only viable skill a lockdown corner needs is straightline speed.

[HumanCockroach]

http://www.therichest.com/sports/footba ... ash-times/

List of top ten "fastest" men currently residing in the NFL, notice several are DB's, also notice 3/4 aren't worth a damn, and the 4th is still "up in the air" as to how he'll be ultimately judged. Not a "shutdown" corner in the bunch, interesting.

[HumanCockroach]

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[RiverDog]

Bump

Why are you bumping these old threads? I'm as bored as you are, but there's a reason why these old threads are dying out. Why not pick a new topic or two and start some new threads?

[kalibane]

There was a spammer. He was bumping them above those spam threads.

[RiverDog]

There was a spammer. He was bumping them above those spam threads.

Ahh....ok.

My apologies, HC. Back at the PI, we had a poster on the Husky side that would intentionally bury threads by bumping them.