Aldon Smith pleads no contest to 3 felonies...

[RiverDog]

You know what though Riv? What you just laid out in terms of sentencing is really not all that far off from what happens in real life. A few months is a pretty big exaggeration but killing a homeless person very often results in a less harsh sentence than killing someone who is prominent in society.

It's sad, isn't it?

A number of years ago, there was a fatal car-train accident on SR 124 that runs between Pasco and Waitsburg. A Mexican truck driver was heading west, approached an uncontrolled RR crossing at sunset. There was a tree farm on his left that blocked his view and muted the sound of the oncoming train. He was killed instantly. Even though it's a relatively well traveled highway and the rail line is still very much active, the crossing remains uncontrolled, ie no arms that come down. They didn't spend a dime to improve it.

If the person that got killed had been a senator's son or some other "important" individual, is there any doubt that the crossing would have been improved?

[HumanCockroach]

Now, now guys, it isn't like he yelled in Brady's face or ranted after a game on National TV or something, he's nothing but a persecuted football player that no one understands........ snicker, LMAO.....

[Hawktawk]

Now, now guys, it isn't like he yelled in Brady's face or ranted after a game on National TV or something, he's nothing but a persecuted football player that no one understands........ snicker, LMAO.....

Ya its been discussed quite a bit but Sherman had the "thug" label attached to him after he rightly called out Crabtree but for some reason Aldon never gets the label. The guy really should be gone for a year IMO but my guess is the law enforcement officials in the bay area will slap his wrists like they do with all the 9ers players. And Goody two shoes will let him off light since he plays for a "glamor" franchise that is opening up a new stadium BTW.Its unbelievable that one year removed from the Hernandez debacle that history is looking to repeat itself if something isn't done....

[HumanCockroach]

Now, now guys, it isn't like he yelled in Brady's face or ranted after a game on National TV or something, he's nothing but a persecuted football player that no one understands........ snicker, LMAO.....

Ya its been discussed quite a bit but Sherman had the "thug" label attached to him after he rightly called out Crabtree but for some reason Aldon never gets the label. The guy really should be gone for a year IMO but my guess is the law enforcement officials in the bay area will slap his wrists like they do with all the 9ers players. And Goody two shoes will let him off light since he plays for a "glamor" franchise that is opening up a new stadium BTW.Its unbelievable that one year removed from the Hernandez debacle that history is looking to repeat itself if something isn't done....

to be honest, I think the label "thug" would be a compliment. Dumbass,idiot, stupid or Moron, or addict would be more in his range ( though those might be a bit above him as well, as he is willfully stupid, as opposed to just being dumb).

[RiverDog]

Now, now guys, it isn't like he yelled in Brady's face or ranted after a game on National TV or something, he's nothing but a persecuted football player that no one understands........ snicker, LMAO.....

Ya its been discussed quite a bit but Sherman had the "thug" label attached to him after he rightly called out Crabtree but for some reason Aldon never gets the label. The guy really should be gone for a year IMO but my guess is the law enforcement officials in the bay area will slap his wrists like they do with all the 9ers players. And Goody two shoes will let him off light since he plays for a "glamor" franchise that is opening up a new stadium BTW.Its unbelievable that one year removed from the Hernandez debacle that history is looking to repeat itself if something isn't done....

I'm not going so far as to compare Smith to Hernández. Aaron Hernández is perhaps the worst person the league has ever had in their company as a player. I don't recall anyone ever being charged with multiple murders. He's one of a kind.

[Futureite]

BTW, the man that stabbed Aldon received 3 yrs probation for assault and felony possession of a firearm. "If any other person does this they are sitting in prison right now". Not true.

[HumanCockroach]

must not have 'intended' to stab him.... LMAO.....

[Hawktawk]

[quote="RiverDog"

I'm not going so far as to compare Smith to Hernández. Aaron Hernández is perhaps the worst person the league has ever had in their company as a player. I don't recall anyone ever being charged with multiple murders. He's one of a kind.[/quote]

Well there was OJ but he was done playing then. But he was enabled by the league, media, and law enforcement throughout his life until he thought he could get away with anything.

Aldon isn't Hernandez yet. But when you hear he had bullets, high capacity magazines,etc littered around his bedroom that's a warning sign. As is hanging with gang bangers. And with his DUI history he might well murder numerous people one of these nights, just not with a gun. Or maybe it will be a gun.Hes a danger to society.

I definitely have a problem with people pooh poohing this type of behavior. This isn't some nice young man who lost his way.

[RiverDog]

Well there was OJ but he was done playing then. But he was enabled by the league, media, and law enforcement throughout his life until he thought he could get away with anything.

Aldon isn't Hernandez yet. But when you hear he had bullets, high capacity magazines,etc littered around his bedroom that's a warning sign. As is hanging with gang bangers. And with his DUI history he might well murder numerous people one of these nights, just not with a gun. Or maybe it will be a gun.Hes a danger to society.

I definitely have a problem with people pooh poohing this type of behavior. This isn't some nice young man who lost his way.

In general, I agree with you. Smith is not the choir boy that Futureite tries to paint him. He's not a thug, or at least the evidence we have seen is that he's stupid and irresponsible vs. a thug, more along the lines of a Plaxico Burgess vs. Hernández or OJ.

And like the monkey that got his tail caught in the lawnmower said... It won't be long now. Smith's sentencing date is a week from this Friday.

[NorthHawk]

So Smith got 12 days in jail for DUI and weapons offenses.
He gets one day for time served and serves the other 11 on work crews.
Also gets 3 years probation where he can't own a weapon or ammunition.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... /#comments

I would think he doesn't get much from the NFL, either now that this sentence has been handed out.

[RiverDog]

So Smith got 12 days in jail for DUI and weapons offenses.
He gets one day for time served and serves the other 11 on work crews.
Also gets 3 years probation where he can't own a weapon or ammunition.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... /#comments

I would think he doesn't get much from the NFL, either now that this sentence has been handed out.

I never realized that a sentencing judge could reduce charges. I still think the accumulation of all this stuff within the last couple of years should warrant a half season, but I am beginning to believe that it's probably going to come down more along the lines you've been saying for some time.

I wonder if they'll let him wear his 49'ers uniform on the work crew?

[Futureite]

So Smith got 12 days in jail for DUI and weapons offenses.
He gets one day for time served and serves the other 11 on work crews.
Also gets 3 years probation where he can't own a weapon or ammunition.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... /#comments

I would think he doesn't get much from the NFL, either now that this sentence has been handed out.

I never realized that a sentencing judge could reduce charges. I still think the accumulation of all this stuff within the last couple of years should warrant a half season, but I am beginning to believe that it's probably going to come down more along the lines you've been saying for some time.

I wonder if they'll let him wear his 49'ers uniform on the work crew?

I thought I was the one being the homer .

[Anthony]

So Smith got 12 days in jail for DUI and weapons offenses.
He gets one day for time served and serves the other 11 on work crews.
Also gets 3 years probation where he can't own a weapon or ammunition.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... /#comments

I would think he doesn't get much from the NFL, either now that this sentence has been handed out.

I never realized that a sentencing judge could reduce charges. I still think the accumulation of all this stuff within the last couple of years should warrant a half season, but I am beginning to believe that it's probably going to come down more along the lines you've been saying for some time.

I wonder if they'll let him wear his 49'ers uniform on the work crew?

I thought I was the one being the homer .

No you just a waste.

[Anthony]

So Smith got 12 days in jail for DUI and weapons offenses.
He gets one day for time served and serves the other 11 on work crews.
Also gets 3 years probation where he can't own a weapon or ammunition.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... /#comments

I would think he doesn't get much from the NFL, either now that this sentence has been handed out.

I never realized that a sentencing judge could reduce charges. I still think the accumulation of all this stuff within the last couple of years should warrant a half season, but I am beginning to believe that it's probably going to come down more along the lines you've been saying for some time.

I wonder if they'll let him wear his 49'ers uniform on the work crew?

Well He's a Niner of course he got a way with it, and the NFl will do nothing.

[Futureite]

So Smith got 12 days in jail for DUI and weapons offenses.
He gets one day for time served and serves the other 11 on work crews.
Also gets 3 years probation where he can't own a weapon or ammunition.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... /#comments

I would think he doesn't get much from the NFL, either now that this sentence has been handed out.

I never realized that a sentencing judge could reduce charges. I still think the accumulation of all this stuff within the last couple of years should warrant a half season, but I am beginning to believe that it's probably going to come down more along the lines you've been saying for some time.

I wonder if they'll let him wear his 49'ers uniform on the work crew?

Well He's a Niner of course he got a way with it, and the NFl will do nothing.

Nope. If you looked at it logically it's no a surprise. Move your eyes up about 3 posts to where I showed you how an average dude was treated in the exact same situation after actually stabbing Smith. Yet last 2 posts are talking about team affiliation. Which is what you did this entire time, not me.

Who's the friggin homer dude! Lol.

[HumanCockroach]

The "homer" would be the dude comparing a knife, to a gun. Especially one intending to possess said guns illegally, and firing said guns over a crowd of people he invited to his home to get drunk and high.

[Futureite]

The "homer" would be the dude comparing a knife, to a gun. Especially one intending to possess said guns illegally, and firing said guns over a crowd of people he invited to his home to get drunk and high.

The guy that stabbed Aldon was also charged with felony gun possession. I posted that as well. Aldon was treated no different than him, and that was all I said this entire thread. I don't need credit for being "right", but at least admit the opinion I posted was not slanted. I also said he put himself in that position, so he'd deserve whatever sentence the judge determined.

It's kinda like the Sherman thing: that was all on.Crab, but then an interview surfaces for the first time and he barely reacts to it. In your mind I'm a "homer" for pointing out the obvious instigator of the whole episode. If that was not a working example of how this tiff really went down I'm not sure what is. One guy yapped again, the other guy brushed it off.

Anyhow this is all how the blog turns stuff. I'll prob act like a prick again and you'll call me a homer. In the end I guess we are both blinded by our love for our teams.

Have a good night man.

[Futureite]

The "homer" would be the dude comparing a knife, to a gun. Especially one intending to possess said guns illegally, and firing said guns over a crowd of people he invited to his home to get drunk and high.

I will add, according to SB Nation the judge said Smith demonstrated "irresponsible behavior" was "at times wreckless" but "demonstrated no devious criminal plan". The last part is what I kept trying to tell you the whole friggin time! Lol.

[Anthony]

Nope. If you looked at it logically it's no a surprise. Move your eyes up about 3 posts to where I showed you how an average dude was treated in the exact same situation after actually stabbing Smith. Yet last 2 posts are talking about team affiliation. Which is what you did this entire time, not me.

Who's the friggin homer dude! Lol.

Dude you are looking dumber and dumber, knife vs gun not the same thing.

Again I agree he will get a way with it and the NFL will do nothing, he is a Niner.

By the way for me to be a homer it would need to happen to one of our players and me defend them to no end like you. You might want to look up the phrase homer because you obviously do not know what it means. If it helps any he would get away with it if he was a giant, jet, steeler, GB, or any of the core franchises, he would not get away with it if he were a Hawk, TB, Atl, Bill or any of the fringe franchises. Its all about were you sit in the NFL pantheon of franchises. As has been proven time and time again.

[Anthony]

The "homer" would be the dude comparing a knife, to a gun. Especially one intending to possess said guns illegally, and firing said guns over a crowd of people he invited to his home to get drunk and high.

I will add, according to SB Nation the judge said Smith demonstrated "irresponsible behavior" was "at times wreckless" but "demonstrated no devious criminal plan". The last part is what I kept trying to tell you the whole friggin time! Lol.

Does not matter any other person would be in jail period, and now the NFL will do nothing as well so you are safe.

[HumanCockroach]

Sorry Future, a "homer" is someone that defends their players ( and only their players) when the break the law willfully, and then condemn other teams players for things like words, or chastises them for PED's or pot related offenses. At NO point have I defended a Hawk that broke a law, not once, I certainly have said wait and see how it plays out, or waited to see what happened before jumping down their throats, but that is NOT what happened here. Smith willingly broke the law in multiple different circumstances repeatedly over a short period of time, and put innocent people at risk repeatedly. defending that behavior shows a serious lack of objectivity, or social responsibility.

I could care less if the court system, or the NFL lacks the ability or desire to help Smith, ultimately that is on them, what I care about is the danger him NOT receiving help creates for INNOCENT people not involved in any way with the NFL. you want to applaud that, that's on you, I am not going to applaud a FAILING by either the court system OR the NFL. not going to do it, and it WOULD be the same if that happened to be Smith or Wilson or Sherman or any other player in the NFL ( or really in life).

Be happy that Smith once again does not receive the help he OBVIOUSLY needs, or the incentive, I'm not ever going to be on that side of the fence.

[HumanCockroach]

So Smith got 12 days in jail for DUI and weapons offenses.
He gets one day for time served and serves the other 11 on work crews.
Also gets 3 years probation where he can't own a weapon or ammunition.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... /#comments

I would think he doesn't get much from the NFL, either now that this sentence has been handed out.

I never realized that a sentencing judge could reduce charges. I still think the accumulation of all this stuff within the last couple of years should warrant a half season, but I am beginning to believe that it's probably going to come down more along the lines you've been saying for some time.

I wonder if they'll let him wear his 49'ers uniform on the work crew?

Nah, but the judge gets to wear his on Sundays so it's all good....

[Futureite]

Sorry Future, a "homer" is someone that defends their players ( and only their players) when the break the law willfully, and then condemn other teams players for things like words, or chastises them for PED's or pot related offenses. At NO point have I defended a Hawk that broke a law, not once, I certainly have said wait and see how it plays out, or waited to see what happened before jumping down their throats, but that is NOT what happened here. Smith willingly broke the law in multiple different circumstances repeatedly over a short period of time, and put innocent people at risk repeatedly. defending that behavior shows a serious lack of objectivity, or social responsibility.

I could care less if the court system, or the NFL lacks the ability or desire to help Smith, ultimately that is on them, what I care about is the danger him NOT receiving help creates for INNOCENT people not involved in any way with the NFL. you want to applaud that, that's on you, I am not going to applaud a FAILING by either the court system OR the NFL. not going to do it, and it WOULD be the same if that happened to be Smith or Wilson or Sherman or any other player in the NFL ( or really in life).

Be happy that Smith once again does not receive the help he OBVIOUSLY needs, or the incentive, I'm not ever going to be on that side of the fence.

Again, I said punish him based on the law. I said he deserves whatever the sentence the law has applied in similar situations. I focused on Smith's intent and the facts of the case, which neither of us know for certain. You are STILL projecting an outcome which did not occur and requesting sime sort of moral or legal retribution for it. I refuse to subscribe, anymore than I will condemn my father for his DUI, my friend for shooting his TV or my sister for texting and driving. And what make your position worse is that it's based upon "facts" you've gleaned through media reports. For the last time, you do not know the facts of this case.

Well, the SB Nation was written by SocaliSteph, an attorney. He (or she) basically stated the same things I posted here till blue - wait, 'red' - in the face. You should read the article. Maybe another attorney's point of view will change your mind. Probably not, but worth a try.

Now I never said I approve of those actions. I did provide anectdotal recounts of other good people that I knew who had the exact same charges and did not serve the ridiculous sentences some of you were calling for. Clearly, you wanted a steep punishment because he is a Niner and not a Seahawk. That's obvious.

Richard Sherman.is guilty of nothing but acting like an asshole repeatedly. He deserves nothing for that. But I sure as hell will address as a fan the moronic passing off of his Dickheadedness off on other players or people, especially when you turn it around on a Niner. Whatever happened at this charity event was obviously something most people would have let go by now, and judging by Crabtree's reactions to Sherman's continued taunting I tend to doubt he did anything other than tell Dick to get out of his face (which other players have as well). This is actually an example of you being an ultra homer, not me.

[Anthony]

Sorry Future, a "homer" is someone that defends their players ( and only their players) when the break the law willfully, and then condemn other teams players for things like words, or chastises them for PED's or pot related offenses. At NO point have I defended a Hawk that broke a law, not once, I certainly have said wait and see how it plays out, or waited to see what happened before jumping down their throats, but that is NOT what happened here. Smith willingly broke the law in multiple different circumstances repeatedly over a short period of time, and put innocent people at risk repeatedly. defending that behavior shows a serious lack of objectivity, or social responsibility.

I could care less if the court system, or the NFL lacks the ability or desire to help Smith, ultimately that is on them, what I care about is the danger him NOT receiving help creates for INNOCENT people not involved in any way with the NFL. you want to applaud that, that's on you, I am not going to applaud a FAILING by either the court system OR the NFL. not going to do it, and it WOULD be the same if that happened to be Smith or Wilson or Sherman or any other player in the NFL ( or really in life).

Be happy that Smith once again does not receive the help he OBVIOUSLY needs, or the incentive, I'm not ever going to be on that side of the fence.

Again, I said punish him based on the law. I said he deserves whatever the sentence the law has applied in similar situations. I focused on Smith's intent and the facts of the case, which neither of us know for certain. You are STILL projecting an outcome which did not occur and requesting sime sort of moral or legal retribution for it. I refuse to subscribe, anymore than I will condemn my father for his DUI, my friend for shooting his TV or my sister for texting and driving. And what make your position worse is that it's based upon "facts" you've gleaned through media reports. For the last time, you do not know the facts of this case.

Well, the SB Nation was written by SocaliSteph, an attorney. He (or she) basically stated the same things I posted here till blue - wait, 'red' - in the face. You should read the article. Maybe another attorney's point of view will change your mind. Probably not, but worth a try.

Now I never said I approve of those actions. I did provide anectdotal recounts of other good people that I knew who had the exact same charges and did not serve the ridiculous sentences some of you were calling for. Clearly, you wanted a steep punishment because he is a Niner and not a Seahawk. That's obvious.

Richard Sherman.is guilty of nothing but acting like an asshole repeatedly. He deserves nothing for that. But I sure as hell will address as a fan the moronic passing off of his Dickheadedness off on other players or people, especially when you turn it around on a Niner. Whatever happened at this charity event was obviously something most people would have let go by now, and judging by Crabtree's reactions to Sherman's continued taunting I tend to doubt he did anything other than tell Dick to get out of his face (which other players have as well). This is actually an example of you being an ultra homer, not me.

Okay up until you mentioned Sherman you almost had me, but by moving form the real topic to Sherman you pretty much started your change the subject crap. The reality is if Smith was not a SF player he would be in jail period. The fact he is an SF player without a doubt helped his case. Now the question is what will the NFL do, I am thinking nothing, why because he is an SF player, if he were a player on any non stable franchise like say TB he would be suspended for a long time. That said no issue you cannot change a leopards spots he will do something stupid again, and eventually the NFL will not be bale to look the other way. It is just a matter of time.

[HumanCockroach]

I guess, if being a dick off the field when a man offers you his hand at a charity event not being forgiven, and endangering the lives of multiple people repeatedly, and circumventing laws intentionally are equateable, then I am a homer. Crab was a dick there is no refuting that, you can say Sherman "should" be over it, and you can say that the agreement to shake the winners hand to squash it at the end of the championship game which was agreed apon by both parties ( including Crabtree) that was handled with a shove in the face ( again an act of dickishness) is in ANY way equateable is just plain dumb. Crabs was a dick, Sherman was a dick back, the end. Smith was a dipsh%t repeatedly, and continues to risk the welfare of innocent people. You can't grasp the difference, again, that is on you.

If that makes me a homer ( which is STUPID since I would feel the SAME way if it was Sherman, manziel or ANY player that continues to risk the well being of regular folks) then I am PROUD to be one, and it is unfortunate that you don't have the fortitude to put your ( assumed) intelligence, morals and knowing right from wrong before your desire for wins from your favorite team.

If you don't give a f about who dies ( innocent people or Smith) good for you I guess that gives you plenty of freedom, to ignore the warning signs and inherrent danger in all of those peoples lives. I guess it is better to be LUCKY ( which is what everyone listed by you happen to be) then responsible in your world,which is fine, it isn't that way in mine.

[HumanCockroach]

http://dui.drivinglaws.org/california.php

LOL. Smith's TWICE the legal limit, with illegal drugs in the vehicle, totalled truck, and him attempting to switch the plates I guess equates to a "wet reckless" in California...... I guess it can be plee'd down if it is "borderline" and i guess Smith's was,,, LMAO... any attempt at making these infractions look less than they were is silly. for the DWI ALONE Smith should indeed received more jail time than he did ( 4 days minimum, 6 months max for first offense). hmmmm. yeah no favortism there, none what so ever. SMDH.

( oops my bad that was Smith's second in two years, meaning minimum 10 days to a year of jail time. Hard to keep track of a player with so much to offer in the way of news)..

[Futureite]

I guess, if being a dick off the field when a man offers you his hand at a charity event not being forgiven, and endangering the lives of multiple people repeatedly, and circumventing laws intentionally are equateable, then I am a homer. Crab was a dick there is no refuting that, you can say Sherman "should" be over it, and you can say that the agreement to shake the winners hand to squash it at the end of the championship game which was agreed apon by both parties ( including Crabtree) that was handled with a shove in the face ( again an act of dickishness) is in ANY way equateable is just plain dumb. Crabs was a dick, Sherman was a dick back, the end. Smith was a dipsh%t repeatedly, and continues to risk the welfare of innocent people. You can't grasp the difference, again, that is on you.

If that makes me a homer ( which is STUPID since I would feel the SAME way if it was Sherman, manziel or ANY player that continues to risk the well being of regular folks) then I am PROUD to be one, and it is unfortunate that you don't have the fortitude to put your ( assumed) intelligence, morals and knowing right from wrong before your desire for wins from your favorite team.

If you don't give a f about who dies ( innocent people or Smith) good for you I guess that gives you plenty of freedom, to ignore the warning signs and inherrent danger in all of those peoples lives. I guess it is better to be LUCKY ( which is what everyone listed by you happen to be) then responsible in your world,which is fine, it isn't that way in mine.

Why do you keep posting things as facts thst you have no way of verifying? Were you at the charity event?? What we do know is Sherman has had multiple seemingly endkess conficts with players which he has instigated. And I have provided muktiple examples where he's been a poorsport both in winning and losing. Your attempt to qualify his actions as extending some sort of goodwil is laughable. This is pointless.

[HumanCockroach]

I guess, if being a dick off the field when a man offers you his hand at a charity event not being forgiven, and endangering the lives of multiple people repeatedly, and circumventing laws intentionally are equateable, then I am a homer. Crab was a dick there is no refuting that, you can say Sherman "should" be over it, and you can say that the agreement to shake the winners hand to squash it at the end of the championship game which was agreed apon by both parties ( including Crabtree) that was handled with a shove in the face ( again an act of dickishness) is in ANY way equateable is just plain dumb. Crabs was a dick, Sherman was a dick back, the end. Smith was a dipsh%t repeatedly, and continues to risk the welfare of innocent people. You can't grasp the difference, again, that is on you.

If that makes me a homer ( which is STUPID since I would feel the SAME way if it was Sherman, manziel or ANY player that continues to risk the well being of regular folks) then I am PROUD to be one, and it is unfortunate that you don't have the fortitude to put your ( assumed) intelligence, morals and knowing right from wrong before your desire for wins from your favorite team.

If you don't give a f about who dies ( innocent people or Smith) good for you I guess that gives you plenty of freedom, to ignore the warning signs and inherrent danger in all of those peoples lives. I guess it is better to be LUCKY ( which is what everyone listed by you happen to be) then responsible in your world,which is fine, it isn't that way in mine.

Why do you keep posting things as facts thst you have no way of verifying? Were you at the charity event?? What we do know is Sherman has had multiple seemingly endkess conficts with players which he has instigated. And I have provided muktiple examples where he's been a poorsport both in winning and losing. Your attempt to qualify his actions as extending some sort of goodwil is laughable. This is pointless.

Probably because evryone not named Future, or Crabtree confirmed it. Every report, from MULTIPLE different players ( INCLUDING Niner team mates of Crabtree) have confirmed it. So unless you can actually provide some information to the contrary ( meaning a player saying that isn't what happened, which shouldn't be hard right? I mean multiple Niners were standing right there at the time, oops, they already confirmed it) or someone else from the situation, as been reported NUMEROUS times, and weighed in on by NUMEROUS different witness' those will remain the "facts", hell give me Crabtree denying it ( you can't, because he never has denied it) or a witness claiming otherwise ( you can't because no one has denied it happened that way) and maybe I'll lend you some creditbility on the subject, but since you can't ( because there is NO information denying it) and since that IS what has been reported by numerous sources and witness', I'll go ahead and accept it for what it is. If you find something else let me know, otherwise, your right, it is pointless. That is how it has been reported, that is how it happened, unless there is some forth coming information ( after a YEAR) that is how it is viewed, and understood.

I do find it interesting that "poor sportmanship" depends on the color of the jersey. I do believe I saw Sherman extend his hand, say "hell of a game" and get slapped in the facemask, whether that move on his part is disengenous or not is irrelevant, the fact remains he extended his hand ( just like it was reported previously in the season) and Crabtree reacted like a 6 year old child, you my freind are NOT the one to explain good or bad sportsmanship, if you condone your OWN players reaction in EITHER situation. Sherman talks far to much for my taste, but interestingly enough, it tends to be those talking to the media, or the media itself ( ie Brady prior to playing Seattle, or Bayless' stupidity prior to the interview) Revis should have been left out of it, and I don't understand why Sherman brought him into anything ( though maybe Darrelle should thank Bayless for putting his name into the conversation) but the jab at Brady? No problem what so ever with him "finding him after the game" after all it was Brady himself that told him to come find him, nor any issues with him calling out the doosche Crabtree, if he didn't want that, maybe he should have acted like a professional in the first damn place ( you know like guys named Fitzgerald, Johnson etc, guys Sherman treats with the utmost respect).

You want "poor sportsmanship" displays, I recommend you look at your OWN roster, whether it be Harbaugh honking his horn or screaming merry Christmas after beating the hawks, or claiming "beyond reproach", or it be an inactive player taking shots at our punt gunner, or Crabtree taking shots at a guy at a charity event or on the field with a mans hand extended, anyway you slice it, your team isn't a bunch of good sports that know how to win and lose with class in every situation.

Edit: and just a question, please provide examples of Sherman "instigating" anything? He didn't with Crabtree, he didn't with Brady ( and really those are the only two examples) I guess you could try to CLAIM he did with White in Atlanta, but again, WHITE not Sherman is the one claiming he couldn't cover them ( which since you seem unable to grasp the term "instigating" means White not Sherman started talking first, which is the NORM in regards to how Sherman handles stuff). Please feel free to cite examples of "instigation" on Shermans part ( you know where he fired the first shot or insult) thin pickings there, but there might be a nugget here or there.

[Anthony]

I guess, if being a dick off the field when a man offers you his hand at a charity event not being forgiven, and endangering the lives of multiple people repeatedly, and circumventing laws intentionally are equateable, then I am a homer. Crab was a dick there is no refuting that, you can say Sherman "should" be over it, and you can say that the agreement to shake the winners hand to squash it at the end of the championship game which was agreed apon by both parties ( including Crabtree) that was handled with a shove in the face ( again an act of dickishness) is in ANY way equateable is just plain dumb. Crabs was a dick, Sherman was a dick back, the end. Smith was a dipsh%t repeatedly, and continues to risk the welfare of innocent people. You can't grasp the difference, again, that is on you.

If that makes me a homer ( which is STUPID since I would feel the SAME way if it was Sherman, manziel or ANY player that continues to risk the well being of regular folks) then I am PROUD to be one, and it is unfortunate that you don't have the fortitude to put your ( assumed) intelligence, morals and knowing right from wrong before your desire for wins from your favorite team.

If you don't give a f about who dies ( innocent people or Smith) good for you I guess that gives you plenty of freedom, to ignore the warning signs and inherrent danger in all of those peoples lives. I guess it is better to be LUCKY ( which is what everyone listed by you happen to be) then responsible in your world,which is fine, it isn't that way in mine.

Why do you keep posting things as facts thst you have no way of verifying? Were you at the charity event?? What we do know is Sherman has had multiple seemingly endkess conficts with players which he has instigated. And I have provided muktiple examples where he's been a poorsport both in winning and losing. Your attempt to qualify his actions as extending some sort of goodwil is laughable. This is pointless.

Ahh dude posting things like . they are facts when they are not is all your department, there have been multiple verifiable people, witnesses and reports on what happened with Crabtree that is called evidence, that makes it a fact.

[HumanCockroach]

Bump

[Futureite]

I guess, if being a dick off the field when a man offers you his hand at a charity event not being forgiven, and endangering the lives of multiple people repeatedly, and circumventing laws intentionally are equateable, then I am a homer. Crab was a dick there is no refuting that, you can say Sherman "should" be over it, and you can say that the agreement to shake the winners hand to squash it at the end of the championship game which was agreed apon by both parties ( including Crabtree) that was handled with a shove in the face ( again an act of dickishness) is in ANY way equateable is just plain dumb. Crabs was a dick, Sherman was a dick back, the end. Smith was a dipsh%t repeatedly, and continues to risk the welfare of innocent people. You can't grasp the difference, again, that is on you.

If that makes me a homer ( which is STUPID since I would feel the SAME way if it was Sherman, manziel or ANY player that continues to risk the well being of regular folks) then I am PROUD to be one, and it is unfortunate that you don't have the fortitude to put your ( assumed) intelligence, morals and knowing right from wrong before your desire for wins from your favorite team.

If you don't give a f about who dies ( innocent people or Smith) good for you I guess that gives you plenty of freedom, to ignore the warning signs and inherrent danger in all of those peoples lives. I guess it is better to be LUCKY ( which is what everyone listed by you happen to be) then responsible in your world,which is fine, it isn't that way in mine.

Why do you keep posting things as facts thst you have no way of verifying? Were you at the charity event?? What we do know is Sherman has had multiple seemingly endkess conficts with players which he has instigated. And I have provided muktiple examples where he's been a poorsport both in winning and losing. Your attempt to qualify his actions as extending some sort of goodwil is laughable. This is pointless.

Ahh dude posting things like . they are facts when they are not is all your department, there have been multiple verifiable people, witnesses and reports on what happened with Crabtree that is called evidence, that makes it a fact.

Fact is whatever happened is like, long over with my friend. Any man would have let it go by now instead of carrying on about this attrocity that Crabtree committed like a FN 8 yr old child. Let's say for the sake of argument everything you asseet was true. Poor Dick was goated into a confrontation at a charity event. Isn't it time to forget about it now? A man settles this sort of thing then and there, not in front of the damn world or Twitter or an interview. You wouldn't understand this because you are back to "but he started it!"

This is the same guy that pleaded with Carroll to run up the score on us in 2012 to get to 50 and then whined thar the refs gave us the game last yr in Candelstick. If you have any sense in your head you'd see that the man has zero sense of spoetsmanship and he holds grudges longer than most women I know. After the gazillionth drama episode that he's been involved in and Crabtree still saying nothing one would think a bell might go off in your brain, but alas this whole football thing is larger than life to you.

Crab may in fact be a prick. I don't know him and I don't really care. The point is that the failure in judgment on your part is collasal. I couldn't come up with a more ridiculous excuse than "he started it!" if I tried. So after ignoring your constant goating of me for several months here is my all encompasing reply.

[RiverDog]

Fact is whatever happened is like, long over with my friend. Any man would have let it go by now instead of carrying on about this attrocity that Crabtree committed like a FN 8 yr old child. Let's say for the sake of argument everything you asseet was true. Poor Dick was goated into a confrontation at a charity event. Isn't it time to forget about it now? A man settles this sort of thing then and there, not in front of the damn world or Twitter or an interview. You wouldn't understand this because you are back to "but he started it!"

This is the same guy that pleaded with Carroll to run up the score on us in 2012 to get to 50 and then whined thar the refs gave us the game last yr in Candelstick. If you have any sense in your head you'd see that the man has zero sense of spoetsmanship and he holds grudges longer than most women I know. After the gazillionth drama episode that he's been involved in and Crabtree still saying nothing one would think a bell might go off in your brain, but alas this whole football thing is larger than life to you.

Crab may in fact be a prick. I don't know him and I don't really care. The point is that the failure in judgment on your part is collasal. I couldn't come up with a more ridiculous excuse than "he started it!" if I tried. So after ignoring your constant goating of me for several months here is my all encompasing reply.

If you don't know Crabtree well enough to call him a prick, then what make you know Sherman any better to call him one? That's why you're a homer and I'm not, because I can see the 'prick' behavior Richard Sherman engages in yet you can't see past the red and gold to see the prick behavior in Crabtree.

Look, I don't approve of Sherman's antics anymore than you do. You're right, the guy seems to be in the middle of a lot of controversies, whether it be after the Redskins playoff game with one of their OT's or the thing with Crabtree. It takes two to tango, and Sherman's part of that equation. But the only objectionable behavior we've seen out of Sherman is on the field. We don't know much about his off field behavior, other than he's a law abiding citizen, a great teammate, and unlike someone like that D-bag Colin Kaepernick, goes to great lengths to honor his fans.

Is the fact that Sherman holds a grudge against Crabtree mean Sherman is a prick off the field? Or is Sherman sensing an opportunity to take advantage of a very thin skinned player and get into his head in preparation for this November? My guess is that it's the latter.

On the other hand, we DO not a lot about Aldon Smith's off field behavior, which was the topic of this thread.

[HumanCockroach]

I agree. They should be past it. I guess that only works on Sherman right Future? "Hell of a game,hell of a game" hand extended, slapped in the face. I find it interesting that the judgement on your part only extends to one of the two, and the one not acceptable just so happens to wear Seahawks blue. But hey what's new on your part? Same ol' same ol'.

You can't even acknowledge that Crab did anything to instigate this crap to begin with. In your world saying nothing somehow absolves a person from the role he played in something like this. Maybe Sherman should have simply 'handled it like a man, there and then' but I'm not sure the charity event, Fitz or anyone else would have approved of a fight off the field at such an event, and it still would just be you claiming what a jerk Sherman is regardless of whether he thew a punch or not. So ultimately, nothing changes. Crab was a doosche, Sherman took offense and talked, Sherman once again extended his hand, Crab was once again a doosche, Sherman talked more, you absolve Crab of any wrong doing regardless of what has come to light, you come on Seahawks board with that attitude, troll Seahawks fans, and get a negative response ( surprise). Sherman continues to dominate Crabs.

Lets be clear on ONE thing though, IF ( and believe me that is a big if) Crabs somehow has success against Sherman in the future, and then TALKS about it, he is on the SAME twisted level you placed Sherman, and I EXPECT you to actually STAY consistent for a change, come on here, and expressly say, how much of a "THUG" and "JERK" Crabtree is, and how much you dislike his antics, dismiss his skill and generally have a complete and uncontrollable Bias against him from that moment on, I mean that IS what you do her right? Defend the red no matter what, and trash the blue no matter what. Right?

[Futureite]

Fact is whatever happened is like, long over with my friend. Any man would have let it go by now instead of carrying on about this attrocity that Crabtree committed like a FN 8 yr old child. Let's say for the sake of argument everything you asseet was true. Poor Dick was goated into a confrontation at a charity event. Isn't it time to forget about it now? A man settles this sort of thing then and there, not in front of the damn world or Twitter or an interview. You wouldn't understand this because you are back to "but he started it!"

This is the same guy that pleaded with Carroll to run up the score on us in 2012 to get to 50 and then whined thar the refs gave us the game last yr in Candelstick. If you have any sense in your head you'd see that the man has zero sense of spoetsmanship and he holds grudges longer than most women I know. After the gazillionth drama episode that he's been involved in and Crabtree still saying nothing one would think a bell might go off in your brain, but alas this whole football thing is larger than life to you.

Crab may in fact be a prick. I don't know him and I don't really care. The point is that the failure in judgment on your part is collasal. I couldn't come up with a more ridiculous excuse than "he started it!" if I tried. So after ignoring your constant goating of me for several months here is my all encompasing reply.

If you don't know Crabtree well enough to call him a prick, then what make you know Sherman any better to call him one? That's why you're a homer and I'm not, because I can see the 'prick' behavior Richard Sherman engages in yet you can't see past the red and gold to see the prick behavior in Crabtree.

Look, I don't approve of Sherman's antics anymore than you do. You're right, the guy seems to be in the middle of a lot of controversies, whether it be after the Redskins playoff game with one of their OT's or the thing with Crabtree. It takes two to tango, and Sherman's part of that equation. But the only objectionable behavior we've seen out of Sherman is on the field. We don't know much about his off field behavior, other than he's a law abiding citizen, a great teammate, and unlike someone like that D-bag Colin Kaepernick, goes to great lengths to honor his fans.

Is the fact that Sherman holds a grudge against Crabtree mean Sherman is a prick off the field? Or is Sherman sensing an opportunity to take advantage of a very thin skinned player and get into his head in preparation for this November? My guess is that it's the latter.

On the other hand, we DO not a lot about Aldon Smith's off field behavior, which was the topic of this thread.

As to Sherman, I truly do not understand how you can arrive at these conclusions. No logical person could. One guy has instigated and been at the forefront of multiple disputes with plsyers, reporters, even coaches. He is a lightning rod for this type of thing. The other has had one documented dispute, with Vern Davis screaming in his face during training camp. That's it.

Yes, I acknowledge Crab has some fault in the original dispute. He hss zero fault in everything after that. Seriously, do you not believe hundreds of issues arise like this every yr?? How many of them blow up to a never ending drama fest with one guy doing all of the talking?

I mean, pretending Sherman isn't in his own world right now won't change a thing in most people's eyes anymore than pretwnding the fail mary was a catch. I just don't understand why it is so hard for some of you to just own up to certain things that happen. I really don't.

I've spoken about Aldon over and over. Hell, even the judge stated he received the sentence he did because he had no nefarious plan or criminal intent. Do HIS words hold any weight? I've basically stated that the entire time here, and been lambasted as a homer for it. Is the judge a 49ers fan?

I said it once before: I'll take a soft spoken, seemingly good hearted guy like Lynch or even Aldon who have had legal issues over a college grad that intentionally demeans, insults and rudicules people 10 times out of 10. Everyone has their own moral code, and that is mine.

[HumanCockroach]

Got it. You prefer criminals over people that talk. No need for you explain further.

[Futureite]

Got it. You prefer criminals over people that talk. No need for you explain further.

In some cases, yes. You probably have no idea how many of your friends or coworkers have been convicted of misdemeanors, most of which probably occured when they were young. But I bet you'd not forget if your coworker walked up and smacked you on the ass 10 seconds after a company wide email was forwarded announcing his promotion over yours.

So the story from Sherman's mouth, to paraphrase was that he "knew" Crabtree was going to b**** out and refuse to shake his hand after the game (anyone's guess how he knew), so he ran up to Crab while he had the chance to make sure he did. His words, not mine. Clearly, a very genuine offering of sportsmanship. And all of you are FAR more intelligent than you are portraying on this issue. LOL maybe you are playing me like Sherman, to get a rise.

The dude himself basically told you he intentionally antagonized. So yes I'll take a genuine person that has made mistakes at times with no ill will over a guy whose legal nose is clean but walks around insulting people and stirring up s***. You'd actually be surprised how many people feel the same as I do.

[RiverDog]

As to Sherman, I truly do not understand how you can arrive at these conclusions. No logical person could. One guy has instigated and been at the forefront of multiple disputes with plsyers, reporters, even coaches. He is a lightning rod for this type of thing. The other has had one documented dispute, with Vern Davis screaming in his face during training camp. That's it.

Yes, I acknowledge Crab has some fault in the original dispute. He hss zero fault in everything after that. Seriously, do you not believe hundreds of issues arise like this every yr?? How many of them blow up to a never ending drama fest with one guy doing all of the talking?

I mean, pretending Sherman isn't in his own world right now won't change a thing in most people's eyes anymore than pretwnding the fail mary was a catch. I just don't understand why it is so hard for some of you to just own up to certain things that happen. I really don't.

I've spoken about Aldon over and over. Hell, even the judge stated he received the sentence he did because he had no nefarious plan or criminal intent. Do HIS words hold any weight? I've basically stated that the entire time here, and been lambasted as a homer for it. Is the judge a 49ers fan?

I said it once before: I'll take a soft spoken, seemingly good hearted guy like Lynch or even Aldon who have had legal issues over a college grad that intentionally demeans, insults and rudicules people 10 times out of 10. Everyone has their own moral code, and that is mine.

[/quote]

Coaches? What coaches has Sherman had disputes with? Pete Carroll? Jim Harbaugh (while at Stanford)? High school? Assistant coaches? Or are you talking about tweets about former coaches? Names and dates, please. And what reporters has he had "disputes" with? Can you be more specific?

[HumanCockroach]

Got it. You prefer criminals over people that talk. No need for you explain further.

In some cases, yes. You probably have no idea how many of your friends or coworkers have been convicted of misdemeanors, most of which probably occured when they were young. But I bet you'd not forget if your coworker walked up and smacked you on the ass 10 seconds after a company wide email was forwarded announcing his promotion over yours.

So the story from Sherman's mouth, to paraphrase was that he "knew" Crabtree was going to b**** out and refuse to shake his hand after the game (anyone's guess how he knew), so he ran up to Crab while he had the chance to make sure he did. His words, not mine. Clearly, a very genuine offering of sportsmanship. And all of you are FAR more intelligent than you are portraying on this issue. LOL maybe you are playing me like Sherman, to get a rise.

The dude himself basically told you he intentionally antagonized. So yes I'll take a genuine person that has made mistakes at times with no ill will over a guy whose legal nose is clean but walks around insulting people and stirring up s***. You'd actually be surprised how many people feel the same as I do.

LOL. Yeah there are some "I don't know" possibly, plenty I do know, some of my closest freinds have some stuff on their record, none of them endangered the lives of innocent people around them, and none of them got zero time in jail. As many have said, that is the difference between being "regular" people and being star athletes. Big difference between egging someone's house, or driving slightly over the legal limit, and driving twice the legal limit, wrapping a vehicle around a tree in someone's front yard, illegally possessing guns, and doing so with the intent to circumvent the law. Big difference betweem tweeting something after someone has tried to start a fight, and trying to start the fight.

Cracks me up that you claim "entertainment" when it suits you, and then hold a grudge against an entertainer that keeps it where it belongs, ON THE FIELD. As always there is TWO parties involved, and Sherman deserves his blame for the role he has played, but he certainly isn't "out of bounds" in holding that grudge. CCrab tree has had PLENTY of time to "get over it, be the bigger man and apologise" for spouting off in the paper, and his actions at the charity event, thing is, he hasn't, and whether Sherman instigated the reaction after the NFCCG or not is irrelevant. Crabtree has shown no more maturity than Sherman, and has in fact started the whole damn thing.Sure you can argue Sherman should let it go, but that isn't what you are arguing, you are arfuing he has no fault in the whole situation, which is clueless.

[c_hawkbob]

Got it. You prefer criminals over people that talk.

In some cases, yes.

Really? Really?! Being a criminal is better than being a smack talker? In the world of sports?!! Are you freakin' insane?

Good lord Ali, Jordan, John Randle, Deion Sanders ... 3/4 of the Hall of fame members of any sport you care to name are less than some thug that keeps his mouth shut in the press by your estimate then. I can't believe you're even a sports fan if your sensibilities are so offended by talk.

Where is that damn ignore button anyway? ...

[HumanCockroach]

Got it. You prefer criminals over people that talk.

In some cases, yes.

Really? Really?! Being a criminal is better than being a smack talker? In the world of sports?!! Are you freakin' insane?

Good lord Ali, Jordan, John Randle, Deion Sanders ... 3/4 of the Hall of fame members of any sport you care to name are less than some thug that keeps his mouth shut in the press by your estimate then. I can't believe you're even a sports fan if your sensibilities are so offended by talk.

Where is that damn ignore button anyway? ...

Lawyer without access to a computer ( according to him) what more do you need.