Lynch will hold out of camp according to Mike Rob per NFL

[depaashaas]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200000 ... hawks-camp

Looks like Lynch will will hold out this time for some more $$$. Now that chiefs gave their RB a big pay raise he must have figured he can do the same

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

That is a bummer to hear, but not entirely unexpected. Two problems for Lynch: Number of carries to this point and age. Neither one are working for him. We all know what he has meant to this team, but so does the front office, which is why they gave him his first big deal. If they can work some kind of short-term extension that front loads this year and allows for an easy release next year, then I think the FO does it. If he wants something bigger and longer, then I think they sit tight with Turbin, Michael, and Ware. I'll be very surprised if they break the bank for Lynch, especially with RW's contract coming up. That man is the future of the franchise, not Lynch.

In speaking of RW, we've already speculated in another thread the possibility of an expanded passing offense. Baldwin has to adjust to his role on the outside, Harvin has to stay healthy, Willson and Kearse have to take a step forward, and Richardson and Norwood (I'm believing they both make the 53-man roster) have to show up for that to become a reality, but the potential is there. We may not need to have a running back that can make something out of nothing.

[curmudgeon]

Trade to Oakland forthcoming?

[obiken]

I think he is a greedy SOB, 5 million a year, come on. His Oakland house was a in a Magazine. We cant afford anymore cap hits.
Having said all that there is no way we win a title again without the guy. Defense and running games win titles, not passing games.

[briwas101]

Lynch has provided a level of toughness on offense that we hadn't seen on the hawks in a long time, but the team as a whole has completely shed the "soft" label that we truly deserved before Pete got here.

If Lynch wants to hold out for more money I would put him on the trade block immediately.

We have Michael and Turbin waiting to get more touches. Paying lynch more money means we either waste Michael OR we pay lynch more $ to do less work. Neither of those options is desirable, nor do they make any sense.

Because I prefer logic to emotion, I say trade him.

[Seahawks4Ever]

Lynch says he wants to be paid like a top 3 RB but even his peers say he is the 4th. best so he is not a top 3 RB.

If it was a case of just shifting around some money like moving some to the front end or even sweetening his deal by a million or two the F/O would have done so by now. The fact that they have not speaks volumes, it says that Lynch is asking for far more than what we have been led to believe.

Lynch may be threatening to retire and we may just have to call his bluff. He got his ring so I guess he is no longer "hungry". The last thing I want is a disgruntled Marshawn Lynch on my team if I am Pete Carroll.

The focus of the F/O has to be on paying Russell Wilson and Lynch is being a bit greedy by putting a crimp on us doing that. Lynch looks around and sees several tem mates who got paid and says "where is mine"? How quickly he forgot that he was the very FIRST to "get paid".

The problem Lynch has is with his agent not the Seahawk front office, his agent should have asked for more two years ago then he wouldn't be feeling so under paid now. The fact is he is NOT under paid, he is being paid exactly what he is worth.

I would NOT trade him though because we would not get anything for him. I would call his bluff and let him retire if that is what he wants, then he can fire his agent like Desean Jackson did after he had recommended him doing the same thing a few years ago almost derailing his career.

[Futureite]

Best RB in the league IMO and most important player on your team. He changes the opposing team's entire defensive philosophy and he is a homerun threat at any point in the game. If I am in the FO making the decision I'd pay him.

[Anthony]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000368574/article/marshawn-lynch-will-hold-out-of-seahawks-camp

Looks like Lynch will will hold out this time for some more $$$. Now that chiefs gave their RB a big pay raise he must have figured he can do the same

HE is already paid in the top 5 how much more is there.

[Anthony]

Best RB in the league IMO and most important player on your team. He changes the opposing team's entire defensive philosophy and he is a homerun threat at any point in the game. If I am in the FO making the decision I'd pay him.

That's why you are not the FO, thankfully.

[Anthony]

I think he is a greedy SOB, 5 million a year, come on. His Oakland house was a in a Magazine. We cant afford anymore cap hits.
Having said all that there is no way we win a title again without the guy. Defense and running games win titles, not passing games.

Actually he is due 7 mil this year, he is on a contract that pay him top 5 rb money.

[HumanCockroach]

Bump

[Hawk Sista]

I'm no capologist, but this is distressing news. There are several people who make the Hawks a contender & he is certainly one of them. This feels like a bad way to start camp. Holdouts rarely workout for all parties- the party I'm most concerns about is the one where the Hawks hoist a 2nd Lombardi. IMHO, this news sucks.

[obiken]

That's it your darned if you and if you don't I would pay him this year and go shopping for a good SEC back next year.

[Anthony]

I'm no capologist, but this is distressing news. There are several people who make the Hawks a contender & he is certainly one of them. This feels like a bad way to start camp. Holdouts rarely workout for all parties- the party I'm most concerns about is the one where the Hawks hoist a 2nd Lombardi. IMHO, this news sucks.

I get it but he is already pad like a top 5 RB, and his play in the SB did not really help him. The FO will do what they think is right, either way we will be fine, but just remember if they decide to redo his deal again, it could cost us others next year, to include RW. Sorry but if it is between our QB and Lunch, Rw comes first. As I said he just signed his deal 2 years ago and has several years left and is being paid in the top 5 amongst RBs. What more does he want, and what more doe she deserve?

[kalibane]

Wouldn't it be great if we had access to all those old PI posts and we could revisit the discussion this time last year when the talk was that supposedly the 49ers had the better backfield because Gore was a Lynch equivalent and Kendall Hunter was just waiting to bust out?.... Kendall Hunter! Now after a year where Lynch's performance fell pretty much across the board he's the best RB in the league.

I've made my opinion known on this subject. Lynch is not a top 3 RB. He has a unique skillset but Charles, McCoy and Peterson are all better. He's (in my opinion) started to show a little wear last year because of the way he uses that skill set. He's creeping towards the age where RBs start to decline. Clayton noted he averaged only 62 yards per game down the stretch last year. He's had 300 carries each of the last two seasons which there is also a pattern of decline with a workload that heavy. His contract is set up such as he will be a cap casualty next season anyway. Christine Michael is massively talented (even if we haven't yet seen how well he'll apply those talents).

The whole mantra for this team has been "next man up". I'm comfortable with Michael being the "next man up", and if necessary they rely on Wilson a little more. And I don't see why people who are all about "next man up" at other positions are so worried about "next man up" with RB which has become one of the most disposable positions in the NFL.

Lynch is valuable to the team but he's not as valuable as some people think. And if Wilson is as good as we all seem to believe the Seahawks will be fine.

[RiverDog]

Best RB in the league IMO and most important player on your team. He changes the opposing team's entire defensive philosophy and he is a homerun threat at any point in the game. If I am in the FO making the decision I'd pay him.

Lynch is not the most important player on our team. Russell Wilson is. It's a helluva lot easier to replace even a great running back like Lynch than it is a franchise quarterback like Russell. That's why we got into the mid 50's in this season's draft before a running back was taken, because it's a quarterback's league.

I'm all for tweaking Lynch's contract a bit to get him a little more scratch before the clock strikes 12 and that carriage of his turns into a pumpkin. But I don't want to give him so much that it hamstrings our ability to sign our younger players...and there's more than just Russell looming out there, we have guys like Wagner and KJ to worry about. We can survive without Lynch, and he's done in a year or two anyway, contract or no contract. Those younger guys have the capability of contributing for at least another 6-8 years.

[Uppercut]

Thank You Mr. Lynch, you have been outstanding.

Next Up

[NorthHawk]

According to PFT, the Lynch Agent and the team have been talking about a new contract for months.
Lynch doesn't need the extra contact to get ready for the season - he knows what he as to do to prepare his body for the season grind.
He'll be in camp before the season starts and won't miss a beat.

What this team will miss when Lynch is gone is breaking tackles. I don't think Michael or Turbin have that same ability, so the run game will suffer.
That will put more pressure on the pass game, and if our OL doesn't improve, our Offense will be in trouble.

[RiverDog]

According to PFT, the Lynch Agent and the team have been talking about a new contract for months.
Lynch doesn't need the extra contact to get ready for the season - he knows what he as to do to prepare his body for the season grind.
He'll be in camp before the season starts and won't miss a beat.

What this team will miss when Lynch is gone is breaking tackles. I don't think Michael or Turbin have that same ability, so the run game will suffer.
That will put more pressure on the pass game, and if our OL doesn't improve, our Offense will be in trouble.

Lynch isn't a bad blocker, and a pretty good receiver out of the backfield. I'm not sure how well Michael will perform at those running back tasks.

[depaashaas]

Guess he did not show up

http://mynorthwest.com/292/2572711/As-e ... ining-camp

I am little surprised as Lynch will be fined $30.000.00 for each day he misses camp. He sure started talking to reporters last year as they where threatening to fine him $50.000.00. Maybe Mike Rob promised to pay the fine as long as he had something new to tell on his first day at NFL LOL we will see tomorrow I guess

[Hawktawk]

Sorry Lynch thanks for the memories. No way your getting a new deal. JS and PC as much as signaled it when they talked up Micheal this spring and discussed a running back by committee approach.

And I'm of the camp that says he is as good and valuable as any of the top backs in his own unique way. Arian Foster is ahead of him in salary and hes coming unraveled physically. But I felt like Lynch had quite a slump the second half of the season. He came up huge vs the Rams and then the playoff games. But he got thumped in the Super Bowl. I saw him on his back more in that game than in the 4 years hes been here. It was interesting that Turbin came in the game in the second half and seemed to find more running room.
And I'm drooling at the mouth thinking about Micheal. Hes a true zone read one cut downhill runner but hes got another gear Lynch doesn't. Who knows if he can pass block but I saw him take a swing pass and make 40 yards out of it vs the Raiders last preseason, running over a defender so hard the guy was flattened and his helmet flew off. He seemed to have an almost Harvin like burst when he turned it up field.

Hawks will be fine.

[Bird Droppings]

Please turn off your alarms.

Nanook the Northhawk is the only one who has radiated reality in this matter of all the postings on this thread.

Do any of you believe the pretense of not showing up for mini-camp ... all the reports said he wouldn't show ... then, doe, see, dough who walks in on time ... was a teaser about not showing up for camp? Is it a matter of substance, or style, with this real camp now open.

Do any of you believe that Mssrs. Schneider or Carroll and Lynch did not have a conference or two during that period?

Do any of you believe that Lynch will play in 2015?

Do any of you believe Mr. Beast does not want to max his bucks right now so he can get it on with his new movie production business?

Do any of you believe that Mssrs. Schneider and Carroll will not waive the daily fines which will be assessed?

Do any of you believe that he will not be playing in the Packers game on international television?

Do any of you find it ironic that Mr. Lynch, who refused to be on "The Real Rob Report" ... wouldn't say a word to Michael Robinson when the latter tried to interview him ... would deliver the exclusive to Mr. Robinson while he was on the NFL network (or at least intresting) ... stage left, stage right, whoa, don't miss the stage?

And, please, those of you with heart attacks pending because another $1 - $2 mil to Mr. Lynch will screw up new contracts to Wilson and Wright (although, another name or two might be vanquished) ... it ain't gonna happen.

The perception of this team is totally different with him than without him.

And perception is reality because the team will be wearing marked (and marketed) jerseys this year.

Earl Thomas was on the radio this morning and he pointed out that who the Beast was, and who Sherman was, was up to them to define, and he has no complaints about who they are and what they believe.

For those of you claiming this opens the door for anyone to pout and demand a new contract .... ok, let 'em, we'll see how important the front office thinks they are.

Now I have no idea of what has transpired between the mini-camp and now involving the Beast, a revised contract, moving money around, 2015 status, or whether or not staff and management of this team ... or Mr. Lynch or his agent have changed in the past month.

I seriously doubt this is showdown.

It is posturing, on both sides.

And it is contrived.

And both "sides" are fully aware what a disaster for international support it will be if Mr. Lynch is not playing ... and the Hawks blow out of the playoffs.

So, measuring in dollars, the team will reach agreement with the player.

Is he worth it? ... they can't afford to take that chance.

And it will be resolved .. maybe tomorrow ... maybe next week ...maybe .....
...but Beastmode will be starting at RB for the Seattle Seahawks on opening day ... anybody want to put up a beer against that?

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[kalibane]

I believe Marshawn Lynch will be the starting RB in week one just for a different reason. Simply put if Lynch didn't want to lose 50K over interviews then he isn't going to leave $5,000,0000 on the table + $30K a day in fines.

So no I won't bet that he isn't the starter on week 1. I will bet that he caves and comes in without a new deal though. I just don't see a reason to give him more money when they want to do a deal with KJ Wright.

Sorry Lynch, other guys who are way more underpaid than you deserve to get paid also. I understand why he's doing it. Don't hold a grudge, just don't think he'll get what he's looking for.

[Bird Droppings]

Bane of Kali, the $50,000 fine hanging over his head was from the League, not the team.

I do not believe the team will try to collect $30 grand per day from him each day he doesn't show up ... and threatening to fine him is part of the posturing.

If this whole thing gets settled within a week, then it could mean he will pay the fine ... as part of a deal.

First, if he does have to pay it, any players trying to follow his route to re-do a contract might think twice about it.

Second, the fact that Doug Baldwin practiced in the mini-camp without a contract earned him a decent contract ... but that's not applicable becaue he was a dangling participle.

The Beast's contract can be re-worked and allow both "sides" to say "I won".

But, we don't know the specifics of conversations that have been going on over the past four months, and we have yet to see a definition of "re-worked".

There's more wiggle room in this whole situation than you would find in a moist worm garden.

It's like both sides wanted it to happen.

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[Futureite]

Wouldn't it be great if we had access to all those old PI posts and we could revisit the discussion this time last year when the talk was that supposedly the 49ers had the better backfield because Gore was a Lynch equivalent and Kendall Hunter was just waiting to bust out?.... Kendall Hunter! Now after a year where Lynch's performance fell pretty much across the board he's the best RB in the league.

I've made my opinion known on this subject. Lynch is not a top 3 RB. He has a unique skillset but Charles, McCoy and Peterson are all better. He's (in my opinion) started to show a little wear last year because of the way he uses that skill set. He's creeping towards the age where RBs start to decline. Clayton noted he averaged only 62 yards per game down the stretch last year. He's had 300 carries each of the last two seasons which there is also a pattern of decline with a workload that heavy. His contract is set up such as he will be a cap casualty next season anyway. Christine Michael is massively talented (even if we haven't yet seen how well he'll apply those talents).

The whole mantra for this team has been "next man up". I'm comfortable with Michael being the "next man up", and if necessary they rely on Wilson a little more. And I don't see why people who are all about "next man up" at other positions are so worried about "next man up" with RB which has become one of the most disposable positions in the NFL.

Lynch is valuable to the team but he's not as valuable as some people think. And if Wilson is as good as we all seem to believe the Seahawks will be fine.

I am not sure I ever argued that point, but as a whole it would have been reasonable. KH averaged 4.6 yds per carry over his career as our #2 back despite rupturing his achiles and Turbin has averged less than 4 as yours. For a long time Gore was a top 5 back. So maybe going into that yr our backfield was better. But I doubt I argued that. The funny part is how cocksure you are of your point with little to no support for it . As always.

As you have said many times, age catches up quick to certain players. Gore is no lo.ger a top 5 back and ML clearly is. IMO, he is the best. That gives you a clear edge at starting RB when Lynch eventually reports.

[Futureite]

According to PFT, the Lynch Agent and the team have been talking about a new contract for months.
Lynch doesn't need the extra contact to get ready for the season - he knows what he as to do to prepare his body for the season grind.
He'll be in camp before the season starts and won't miss a beat.

What this team will miss when Lynch is gone is breaking tackles. I don't think Michael or Turbin have that same ability, so the run game will suffer.
That will put more pressure on the pass game, and if our OL doesn't improve, our Offense will be in trouble.

Lynch isn't a bad blocker, and a pretty good receiver out of the backfield. I'm not sure how well Michael will perform at those running back tasks.

You could be right moving forward, but Lynch was clearly the difference in the NFCCG. We stacked the line to stop him and he still put up 100+ and broke a 40+ yd TD run to change the entire complexion of that game. Keep in mind, he did that against what IMO was the 2nd best D in the entire league, geared to stop him. And we still could not. When you can play.like that against top level competition on the biggest stage, I do not see how he is 'currently' anything other than your most important player.

I know we have debated this, but the difference in that 6 pt win is simple: 100+ yds from Lynch, 14 from Gore. Flip those stats and the end result is different.

Now, could RW be in for a big yr? Entirely possible. He has a lot of explosive weapons. I am not sure how many of those guys can beat NFL coverage minus playaction, but of course they have a chance to prove it. I loved Richardson at Colorado and was really hoping we'd draft him. For now though I still believe Lynch is the centerpiece and a one of a kind workhorse type back that you cannot replace. He embodies physical, in your face Seattle ball. He is the face of it. A true Beast.

[jshawaii22]

I think he makes more (on average) then Frank Gore. Should he really get even more? His average for the 4 year contract made him (at the time) the 2nd highest paid RB behind AP... should he get paid more?

This is now dividing the team as Pete has come out with a not very pretty statement about how he feels about Marshawn, and Doug Baldwin has responded not too kindly to Pete's not to kindly comments.

In business, this is exactly what the 'worst case scenario' would be as a teaching tool to a class. We now have a definitive line in the sand and We now have a 'showdown' between a player who is one of the top 3 in the NFL vs a management that is also Top 3 in the NFL.

This will not be pretty and could further divide the team, too. And who knows what effort Marshawn will come back with if he doesn't get the raise. Is a 90% Marshawn going to cut it?


js

[RiverDog]

You could be right moving forward, but Lynch was clearly the difference in the NFCCG. We stacked the line to stop him and he still put up 100+ and broke a 40+ yd TD run to change the entire complexion of that game. Keep in mind, he did that against what IMO was the 2nd best D in the entire league, geared to stop him. And we still could not. When you can play.like that against top level competition on the biggest stage, I do not see how he is 'currently' anything other than your most important player.

I know we have debated this, but the difference in that 6 pt win is simple: 100+ yds from Lynch, 14 from Gore. Flip those stats and the end result is different.

Now, could RW be in for a big yr? Entirely possible. He has a lot of explosive weapons. I am not sure how many of those guys can beat NFL coverage minus playaction, but of course they have a chance to prove it. I loved Richardson at Colorado and was really hoping we'd draft him. For now though I still believe Lynch is the centerpiece and a one of a kind workhorse type back that you cannot replace. He embodies physical, in your face Seattle ball. He is the face of it. A true Beast.

Flip Kaepernick's three turnovers, all in the 4th quarter, to Russell Wilson's one, that coming on the first play of the game, and I can assure you that the end result is MUCH different.

[kalibane]

Kendall Hunter. Kendall Hunter is so good they took Lattimore and Hyde in back to back seasons. And like I said I'm done wasting time on you Future. I've destroyed your arguments with factual analysis for over a year and you just ignore it or try to change the argument. From now on I will just mock and laugh at your ridiculous statements. I have no reason to make stuff up. It's rather easy to remember what you have argued. It tends to stick out when someone makes a statement that's so far from fact a novice fan could pick it apart.

Case in point. Frank Gore hasn't been a top 5 back since 2006 (his career year). Just another ridiculous statement.

[4XPIPS]

It's has been calculated already between fines and the ability for the FO to reclaim salary bonuses(signing bonus) that if Lynch decides to hold for at least 10 consecutive days, it could add up to $1 mil. All things consider he bluffed, and it won't work. FO won't cut or trade him. He will be back by mid next week. He got bad information from his Agent after what happened in KC. The difference between KC and the Hawks is we had a back up plan already in place, and KC has nothing. J Charles knew that, and used it to his advantage. Sry Beast Mode stick to Football, your Poker Game didn't work.

[c_hawkbob]

It's has been calculated already between fines and the ability for the FO to reclaim salary bonuses(signing bonus) that if Lynch decides to hold for at least 10 consecutive days, it could add up to $1 mil. All things consider he bluffed, and it won't work. FO won't cut or trade him. He will be back by mid next week. He got bad information from his Agent after what happened in KC. The difference between KC and the Hawks is we had a back up plan already in place, and KC has nothing. J Charles knew that, and used it to his advantage. Sry Beast Mode stick to Football, your Poker Game didn't work.

Sure would like to see a link to that ...

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

No calculation, but a couple of links here do mention he'll forfeit some of his $6 million dollar signing bonus:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ear ... ning-camp/

http://blogs.seattletimes.com/seahawks/ ... -robinson/

I hadn't yet found where 10 days is the limit before he loses part of his signing bonus, but, heck, even 5 days is $150k; that's some serious cheddar.

I still don't think the FO is going to budge. Like kal said, he already got paid and there other guys who are grossly underpaid that deserve theirs (Wagner, Wright, and Maxwell). Lynch has no leverage. We have capable backups, great defense and special teams, a franchise quarterback, and a assistant coach with a proven track record of producing a running game regardless of who's carrying the ball. If the receiving corps takes a step forward, then they'll miss Lynch even less than he thinks they will.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

One more:

http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/artic ... d_16913521

[RiverDog]

Wow, $30,000 for each day of camp he misses and $294,000 for each preseason game he's out. I don't have enough fingers and toes to do the calculation, but if it's not $1M, it's still plenty high enough to where it's going to be a major motivating factor for him to report.

The consensus is that the Hawks plan on taking a hard line. We'll see. I hope Bird is right, that they'll toss a few peanuts at Lynch, let him save face, and he'll report very soon. He doesn't have a lot of leverage.

[Futureite]

Kendall Hunter. Kendall Hunter is so good they took Lattimore and Hyde in back to back seasons. And like I said I'm done wasting time on you Future. I've destroyed your arguments with factual analysis for over a year and you just ignore it or try to change the argument. From now on I will just mock and laugh at your ridiculous statements. I have no reason to make stuff up. It's rather easy to remember what you have argued. It tends to stick out when someone makes a statement that's so far from fact a novice fan could pick it apart.

Case in point. Frank Gore hasn't been a top 5 back since 2006 (his career year). Just another ridiculous statement.

And on cue, immediately after you posted that Kendall Hunter tore his knee up. Thus making the decidion to draft a RB a pretty good one. Stick your foot back in your mouth buddy. If you were half as smart as I've given you credit for being you'd see that every negative critique of Kendall further demeans your own #2 back, Turbin. But you aren't.

[Futureite]

You could be right moving forward, but Lynch was clearly the difference in the NFCCG. We stacked the line to stop him and he still put up 100+ and broke a 40+ yd TD run to change the entire complexion of that game. Keep in mind, he did that against what IMO was the 2nd best D in the entire league, geared to stop him. And we still could not. When you can play.like that against top level competition on the biggest stage, I do not see how he is 'currently' anything other than your most important player.

I know we have debated this, but the difference in that 6 pt win is simple: 100+ yds from Lynch, 14 from Gore. Flip those stats and the end result is different.

Now, could RW be in for a big yr? Entirely possible. He has a lot of explosive weapons. I am not sure how many of those guys can beat NFL coverage minus playaction, but of course they have a chance to prove it. I loved Richardson at Colorado and was really hoping we'd draft him. For now though I still believe Lynch is the centerpiece and a one of a kind workhorse type back that you cannot replace. He embodies physical, in your face Seattle ball. He is the face of it. A true Beast.

Flip Kaepernick's three turnovers, all in the 4th quarter, to Russell Wilson's one, that coming on the first play of the game, and I can assure you that the end result is MUCH different.

"Much" different? Seattle scored 3 points off of those 3 turnovers and we were already behind when he made them. Withiut them the game would have been nearly identical to what it was with the 'possible' outcome that we score at the end. I had my doubts about that at the time considering how bad our redzone O was and how good your redzone D was all yr.

Now if you ask 10 people who wins a game where one guy rushes for 100+ yds and the opposing RB rushes for 14 what do you think they'll say? Seattle winning the TO margin 3 to 2 helped, but cmon River.

[kalibane]

Kendall Hunter.

[RiverDog]

You could be right moving forward, but Lynch was clearly the difference in the NFCCG. We stacked the line to stop him and he still put up 100+ and broke a 40+ yd TD run to change the entire complexion of that game. Keep in mind, he did that against what IMO was the 2nd best D in the entire league, geared to stop him. And we still could not. When you can play.like that against top level competition on the biggest stage, I do not see how he is 'currently' anything other than your most important player.

I know we have debated this, but the difference in that 6 pt win is simple: 100+ yds from Lynch, 14 from Gore. Flip those stats and the end result is different.

Now, could RW be in for a big yr? Entirely possible. He has a lot of explosive weapons. I am not sure how many of those guys can beat NFL coverage minus playaction, but of course they have a chance to prove it. I loved Richardson at Colorado and was really hoping we'd draft him. For now though I still believe Lynch is the centerpiece and a one of a kind workhorse type back that you cannot replace. He embodies physical, in your face Seattle ball. He is the face of it. A true Beast.

Flip Kaepernick's three turnovers, all in the 4th quarter, to Russell Wilson's one, that coming on the first play of the game, and I can assure you that the end result is MUCH different.

"Much" different? Seattle scored 3 points off of those 3 turnovers and we were already behind when he made them. Withiut them the game would have been nearly identical to what it was with the 'possible' outcome that we score at the end. I had my doubts about that at the time considering how bad our redzone O was and how good your redzone D was all yr.

Now if you ask 10 people who wins a game where one guy rushes for 100+ yds and the opposing RB rushes for 14 what do you think they'll say? Seattle winning the TO margin 3 to 2 helped, but cmon River.

Having points scored on you after turnovers is only one part of the turnover pitfall. Field position and scoreless drives are the other two.

I'm not saying that Lynch's running wasn't a factor. It was. But more important was that our quarterback took care of the ball and kept our team in the game, didn't put our league leading defense in a bad position by absorbing a big loss or committing a turnover, indeed hit on a 4th and 8 scoring strike to give us a lead we never relinquished, while your quarterback choked by turning the ball over 3 times in crunch time, including the biggest play of the season for both teams, ie the ill advised pass now known as the Immaculate Deflection that ended the game and the season for your team. The difference in quarterback play was the largest single factor in a very close game IMO.

BTW, we won the turnover battle 3-1, not 3-2. You're slip is showing!

[Hawktawk]

And by the way if we are talking Lynch's impact and turnovers did he not fumble on the goal line? It wiped a certain 3 points off the board making the outcome very much in doubt till the final seconds. So that would make turnovers 3-2.
Look its a silly argument. If ifs and buts were candy and nuts we wold all have a merry Christmas. Each game has its own flavor and little plays made and not made. Its impossible to say what would have happened without lynch.

Lynch has been a big part of this team, huge. But PC and JS have been the best in the league at finding the next man up.
And I wonder if they have some behind the scenes insight making them take an even harder line. Bad behavior off the field has shadowed Lynch throughout his pro career. The DUI ramifications are still looming. Then there was a scuffle between his posse and the entourage of a rapper this summer. Put it all together I wonder if there's some worry Lynch is about to go sideways.

And really Baldwin should put a cork in it. These guys make a million or 2 or 5 or 10 to play a boys game. Its a performance based league so teams have every right to cut them if they aren't performing. I dont often see under performing football players with guaranteed money offering to give it back.

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RD

Nah, he is just "adding" a turnover on the goal line that never happened. It's far to say the fumble should have gone to the 49rs but even with that included the Niners actually caught a break. Instead being lined up on the 1/2 yard line when taking possession they ended up receiving the ball at the 15. As always though excuses need to be made, and this happens to be one Niners fans cling to, like missed points on the next play wasn't good enough, they would have magically driven the length of the field had the refs not blown that turnover.... LMAO.... they conveniently forget the illegally batted ball by Kap on their lone TD, or the illegal play on the sideline that could have resulted in a turnover for Seattle deep in Niner territory, but the punt that wasn't called and the fumble that wasn't "Seattle payed the refs" SMDH.