Reports: Bengals, QB Dalton agree to 6-year contract extensi

[Anthony]

Reports: Bengals, QB Dalton agree to 6-year contract extension

A "Quarterback Andy Dalton has reached an agreement with the Cincinnati Bengals on a six-year contract, FOX Sports 1 NFL Insider Mike Garafolo reports.

ESPN says the deal is worth $115 million." That's 19.1 mil a year

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/beng ... act-080414

[rottweiler]

Awful lot of money to pay a guy who's flanked by a top-three defense on the other side of the ball, yet can't win a playoff game at home.

Just sayin'.

[c_hawkbob]

Russel Wilson's agent just spontaneously combusted.

[FolkCrusader]

Except as usual, the deal isn't worth what was reported.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... rly-march/

Still not a bad payday, with a chance to escalate his salary if he wins.

[Bird Droppings]

Yeah, Bengals maintain much more control with this contract than most recent QB signings.

Should be little impact on Will.

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[HumanCockroach]

Deals like this and the one Kaepernik signed will be the new trend in the NFL. It produces incentives not promises, and I for one have always wondered why teams weren't already doing this, not just for QB's but all players. I understand players want guarantees and have no problem with that, but there is a level of play necessary for those guarantees prior to the signing. I'm sure several teams could have greatly benefitted from the use of these types of contracts ( Detroit,Chicago and Dallas come immediately to mind when talking about the "value" of their QB's as relates to maintaining money available for players around their qb's). Detroit might have been able to maintain a defense, or Dallas if not for the guaranteed contracts that bloated their salary structures.....

[Anthony]

Deals like this and the one Kaepernik signed will be the new trend in the NFL. It produces incentives not promises, and I for one have always wondered why teams weren't already doing this, not just for QB's but all players. I understand players want guarantees and have no problem with that, but there is a level of play necessary for those guarantees prior to the signing. I'm sure several teams could have greatly benefitted from the use of these types of contracts ( Detroit,Chicago and Dallas come immediately to mind when talking about the "value" of their QB's as relates to maintaining money available for players around their qb's). Detroit might have been able to maintain a defense, or Dallas if not for the guaranteed contracts that bloated their salary structures.....

It will be the new trend for QBs with questions or who have not gotten over the hump, it will have little impact on Rw, given what he has already accomplished. Also I worry about the QBs such as Kap and Dalton trying to hard to do to much to get extra money, then add in more money for 80% of the snaps, what if you are winning a lot of games by a lot after 2-3 qtrs, and you want to rest your qb? 80% of the 64 qtrs in a season is 51, you sit out 1 qtr a game and guess what your under 51. I think Kaps contract is going to backfire and he is going to try to do to much and be bad, same with Dalton. I would be very surprised if Rw sign a contract like Kap or Dalton. Who knows maybe that is why they have TP, maybe the do not plan on even trying or using it to force RWs hand. You can make a cap friendly deal that will not cripple your team and still pay your QB without saying you have questions about your QB, which is what both the Kap and Dalton deal says.

[HumanCockroach]

I wouldn't be overly concerned with a starting QB sitting a quarter for every game, in the NFL would you? Add in it's snaps, not quarters ( using your point about blow outs, I would guess that far more snaps are run early in a game, when the "blowout" is happening, than in the 4th, when they are running numerous lead plays to salt away the game as fast as possible, wouldn't you?). I'm not saying how much of an impact this will have on Wilson, just if teams like Detroit was forward thinking, they might not be in the situation, they currently find themselves in with the pieces they have around the QB.

These types of contracts aren't going away for second tier QB's ( Smith would also be one to watch, as I think KC does something similar) anytime soon. Team based incentives would be a nice addition to every contract as well. Success should equal money IMHO and both Kap and Dalton, now have incentive to win more and do more, which isn't a bad thing from my perspective. Improvement, is always a good thing in my book, and this rewards those that do.

[Anthony]

I wouldn't be overly concerned with a starting QB sitting a quarter for every game, in the NFL would you? Add in it's snaps, not quarters ( using your point about blow outs, I would guess that far more snaps are run early in a game, when the "blowout" is happening, than in the 4th, when they are running numerous lead plays to salt away the game as fast as possible, wouldn't you?). I'm not saying how much of an impact this will have on Wilson, just if teams like Detroit was forward thinking, they might not be in the situation, they currently find themselves in with the pieces they have around the QB.

These types of contracts aren't going away for second tier QB's ( Smith would also be one to watch, as I think KC does something similar) anytime soon. Team based incentives would be a nice addition to every contract as well. Success should equal money IMHO and both Kap and Dalton, now have incentive to win more and do more, which isn't a bad thing from my perspective. Improvement, is always a good thing in my book, and this rewards those that do.

Hnmm Yeah I would agree for 2nd tier QBs who still have question about them yeah I can see it, it makes sense. I guarantee when and if those questions are answered the QBs will want to redo the deal though. I also do not believe it will have any impact on RW, who is already proven.

[Futureite]

Deals like this and the one Kaepernik signed will be the new trend in the NFL. It produces incentives not promises, and I for one have always wondered why teams weren't already doing this, not just for QB's but all players. I understand players want guarantees and have no problem with that, but there is a level of play necessary for those guarantees prior to the signing. I'm sure several teams could have greatly benefitted from the use of these types of contracts ( Detroit,Chicago and Dallas come immediately to mind when talking about the "value" of their QB's as relates to maintaining money available for players around their qb's). Detroit might have been able to maintain a defense, or Dallas if not for the guaranteed contracts that bloated their salary structures.....

It will be the new trend for QBs with questions or who have not gotten over the hump, it will have little impact on Rw, given what he has already accomplished. Also I worry about the QBs such as Kap and Dalton trying to hard to do to much to get extra money, then add in more money for 80% of the snaps, what if you are winning a lot of games by a lot after 2-3 qtrs, and you want to rest your qb? 80% of the 64 qtrs in a season is 51, you sit out 1 qtr a game and guess what your under 51. I think Kaps contract is going to backfire and he is going to try to do to much and be bad, same with Dalton. I would be very surprised if Rw sign a contract like Kap or Dalton. Who knows maybe that is why they have TP, maybe the do not plan on even trying or using it to force RWs hand. You can make a cap friendly deal that will not cripple your team and still pay your QB without saying you have questions about your QB, which is what both the Kap and Dalton deal says.

Lol good. Hope you guys give him a ton of guaranteed $$.

[Anthony]

Deals like this and the one Kaepernik signed will be the new trend in the NFL. It produces incentives not promises, and I for one have always wondered why teams weren't already doing this, not just for QB's but all players. I understand players want guarantees and have no problem with that, but there is a level of play necessary for those guarantees prior to the signing. I'm sure several teams could have greatly benefitted from the use of these types of contracts ( Detroit,Chicago and Dallas come immediately to mind when talking about the "value" of their QB's as relates to maintaining money available for players around their qb's). Detroit might have been able to maintain a defense, or Dallas if not for the guaranteed contracts that bloated their salary structures.....

It will be the new trend for QBs with questions or who have not gotten over the hump, it will have little impact on Rw, given what he has already accomplished. Also I worry about the QBs such as Kap and Dalton trying to hard to do to much to get extra money, then add in more money for 80% of the snaps, what if you are winning a lot of games by a lot after 2-3 qtrs, and you want to rest your qb? 80% of the 64 qtrs in a season is 51, you sit out 1 qtr a game and guess what your under 51. I think Kaps contract is going to backfire and he is going to try to do to much and be bad, same with Dalton. I would be very surprised if Rw sign a contract like Kap or Dalton. Who knows maybe that is why they have TP, maybe the do not plan on even trying or using it to force RWs hand. You can make a cap friendly deal that will not cripple your team and still pay your QB without saying you have questions about your QB, which is what both the Kap and Dalton deal says.

Lol good. Hope you guys give him a ton of guaranteed $$.

Whatever we give him you can guarantee we will still be good cap going up and all, and besides unlike yours our guy deserves it.

[Futureite]

Whatever we give him you can guarantee we will still be good cap going up and all, and besides unlike yours our guy deserves it.[/quote]

Lol! Dude I have to ask: why are you always so angry when you post? I know I get heated at times, but your posts never seem to cool down. I mean we are not talking politics or religion here.

We know that the NFL is a business. Any team would thus like to pay the lowest possible salary to its players, no matter what the back of their jersey says. Tom Brady is living proof of that. So let's start there. Of course the 49ers wanted to pay Kaep as little as he would accept. Basic economics. The last part is key though.

Kaep accepted the contract. Didn't hold out. Didn't play out the yr so he could sign for big guaranteed money the following yr with any number of teams who would have thrown it at him. And he even publicly stated months prior to this that any deal he signed would have to allow the 49ers flexibility to sign other players in the future. Then he reiterated after he signed the contract that he and his agent purposely negotiated the terms of the contract as they stood to allow us to field a competitive team. It is obvious that he had as much to do with structuring the contract as did 49er management.

Any way you slice this your opinion only analyses 1/2 of the equation. If the Hawks want to give RW a huge guaranteed contract then be my guest. After all the debates we've had about character, it would be quite ironic if in the end Kaep is the one who took less money with nary a word and RW gets big guaranteed $$. Paying him more money is not going to elevate him into a tier above any other QB.

[Anthony]

Whatever we give him you can guarantee we will still be good cap going up and all, and besides unlike yours our guy deserves it.

Lol! Dude I have to ask: why are you always so angry when you post? I know I get heated at times, but your posts never seem to cool down. I mean we are not talking politics or religion here.

We know that the NFL is a business. Any team would thus like to pay the lowest possible salary to its players, no matter what the back of their jersey says. Tom Brady is living proof of that. So let's start there. Of course the 49ers wanted to pay Kaep as little as he would accept. Basic economics. The last part is key though.

Kaep accepted the contract. Didn't hold out. Didn't play out the yr so he could sign for big guaranteed money the following yr with any number of teams who would have thrown it at him. And he even publicly stated months prior to this that any deal he signed would have to allow the 49ers flexibility to sign other players in the future. Then he reiterated after he signed the contract that he and his agent purposely negotiated the terms of the contract as they stood to allow us to field a competitive team. It is obvious that he had as much to do with structuring the contract as did 49er management.

Any way you slice this your opinion only analyses 1/2 of the equation. If the Hawks want to give RW a huge guaranteed contract then be my guest. After all the debates we've had about character, it would be quite ironic if in the end Kaep is the one who took less money with nary a word and RW gets big guaranteed $$. Paying him more money is not going to elevate him into a tier above any other QB.[/quote]


Not angry I just do not like you and your attitude at all. There are plenty of SF fans on this and other forums that at least have good attitudes, and do not lie, make things up, and are man enough to admit when they are wrong all things you do not do.If RW signs a big guaranteed contract it will have no baring on his character at all, it will be about what he has earned. As I said unlike Kap we have no concerns or questions on RW. Nice try though but as with all your back stabbing postsp it failed.

[Futureite]

Lol wow man. Just, wow.

[Anthony]

Lol wow man. Just, wow.

Truth hurts doesn't it. For what it is worth, while I do not like you for all the reasons I have laid out, I also feel sorry for you, which is the only reason I acknowledge your existence at all, well that and you are pathetically hilarious.

[Futureite]

Lol wow man. Just, wow.

Truth hurts doesn't it. For what it is worth, while I do not like you for all the reasons I have laid out, I also feel sorry for you, which is the only reason I acknowledge your existence at all, well that and you are pathetically hilarious.

Actually the truth is awesome. I eat up the truth. It is what gets me practicing and working harder at all the things I suck at, which are many. You acknowledge the truth and then work to change it. Enjoy whatever you are working towards brother.

[Anthony]

Lol wow man. Just, wow.

Truth hurts doesn't it. For what it is worth, while I do not like you for all the reasons I have laid out, I also feel sorry for you, which is the only reason I acknowledge your existence at all, well that and you are pathetically hilarious.

Actually the truth is awesome. I eat up the truth. It is what gets me practicing and working harder at all the things I suck at, which are many. You acknowledge the truth and then work to change it. Enjoy whatever you are working towards brother.

For someone who thinks the truth is awesome your sure do not blog much that is true.

[Futureite]

Actually the truth is awesome. I eat up the truth. It is what gets me practicing and working harder at all the things I suck at, which are many. You acknowledge the truth and then work to change it. Enjoy whatever you are working towards brother.[/quote]

For someone who thinks the truth is awesome your sure do not blog much that is true.[/quote]

That is your opinion of my posts. I'll argue sports vehemently at times but not the character of the people that blog about it. It's a titanic waste of time. Beyond that, I recognize that everyone gets emotional at times while blogging. But do whatever works for you.

[Seahawks4Ever]

The Seahawks already "owe" Russell Wilson more guaranteed money because of what he has accomplished so far. These other QB's have not guided their team to a championship and he has, and at a bargain price too.

I expect RW will be paid big, but it will be spread out (the guaranteed bit) and it will be a cap friendly deal. Russell is all about team.

[Anthony]

Actually the truth is awesome. I eat up the truth. It is what gets me practicing and working harder at all the things I suck at, which are many. You acknowledge the truth and then work to change it. Enjoy whatever you are working towards brother.

For someone who thinks the truth is awesome your sure do not blog much that is true.[/quote]

That is your opinion of my posts. I'll argue sports vehemently at times but not the character of the people that blog about it. It's a titanic waste of time. Beyond that, I recognize that everyone gets emotional at times while blogging. But do whatever works for you.[/quote]

Yes I am sure blogging and saying players said things and not being able to support it and then being proven it never happened is all about the truth...not

[mykc14]

The Seahawks already "owe" Russell Wilson more guaranteed money because of what he has accomplished so far. These other QB's have not guided their team to a championship and he has, and at a bargain price too.

I expect RW will be paid big, but it will be spread out (the guaranteed bit) and it will be a cap friendly deal. Russell is all about team.

This is exactly what I was trying to point out to a friend I was talking to the other day. Take CK, for instance. He gets x amount guaranteed if he either leads his team to the SB or becomes all pro. RW has already reached one of those incentives so he is going to command the 20 mil/per year average that CK or Dalton can only HOPE to achieve. This is why Future's argument about CK taking 'less' money to help the team stay completive doesn't really hold any water. He got what he could get. It isn't like the niners said ok, here's 19 mil/yr guaranteed and he was like "no lets make sure I first achieve these incentives so that we can stay competitive, blah, blah." Also, the argument that if he didn't like the offer he could have just waited until next off season is just moronic. He would risk way too much. If he has a great season (i.e. all pro or SB) then he gets a huge chunk of $ this year anyway and if he had a horrible season or got hurt he would't have got nearly as much. He saves face by saying he took less to help the team. With that being said, IMO, he is going to really regret the structure of this contract as time goes on because he is a good QB, but not all pro and it is going to take a lot for him to actually win the SB, just like any qb.

[Futureite]

The Seahawks already "owe" Russell Wilson more guaranteed money because of what he has accomplished so far. These other QB's have not guided their team to a championship and he has, and at a bargain price too.

I expect RW will be paid big, but it will be spread out (the guaranteed bit) and it will be a cap friendly deal. Russell is all about team.

This is exactly what I was trying to point out to a friend I was talking to the other day. Take CK, for instance. He gets x amount guaranteed if he either leads his team to the SB or becomes all pro. RW has already reached one of those incentives so he is going to command the 20 mil/per year average that CK or Dalton can only HOPE to achieve. This is why Future's argument about CK taking 'less' money to help the team stay completive doesn't really hold any water. He got what he could get. It isn't like the niners said ok, here's 19 mil/yr guaranteed and he was like "no lets make sure I first achieve these incentives so that we can stay competitive, blah, blah." Also, the argument that if he didn't like the offer he could have just waited until next off season is just moronic. He would risk way too much. If he has a great season (i.e. all pro or SB) then he gets a huge chunk of $ this year anyway and if he had a horrible season or got hurt he would't have got nearly as much. He saves face by saying he took less to help the team. With that being said, IMO, he is going to really regret the structure of this contract as time goes on because he is a good QB, but not all pro and it is going to take a lot for him to actually win the SB, just like any qb.

Before the contract: "49ers will have to pay CK upwards of $20 mil. They have no choice".

After thw contract: "49ers gave him a pay as you go contract. They don't trust him".

All you guys have done is to shift from one argument where we were hosed due to salary cap or another where we are hosed because we don't trust our QB and plan on shipping him out if/when he doesn't perform. Either way yiu were goung to make sure this was cast in a negative light.

It is only moronic in your mind to believe CK would bet on himself because you believe he is not very good. I guarantee he does not feel that way though. Most NFL QBs do not (see Flaaco for an example of betting on one's self). In fact, most pro arhletes period do not think this way. That analogy is just another example of an attempt to paint whatever occurred in as negative light as possible. Players play out their contracts all the time in hopes of more money or even hold out (hello, Lynch), and CK's unwillingness to do either has zero bearing on his value or level of talent.

What you are also doing is buffering for the inevitable backlash that comes if RW gets a ton of guaranteed money. That's obvious. If he does, he's "earned it" and of course it's all logical and good. The fact is, on one hand you guys have discussed the greatness of your D by historical standards and then in the same breath credited RW with a ring over CK or other QBs that do not have one. All of which is posited in an effort to justify more guaranteed $$ for RW. It's a bogus argument. Our d gave up over 30 ppg in the 2012 postseason. We all saw what happened when your D gave up 30 in a playoff game - they lost.

Same EXACT result.

[NorthHawk]

Wilson will get 100 to maybe more than 120 million over the term of his next contract.
The amount guaranteed and the length will determine how team friendly it turns out to be.
I doubt there will be any discounts for team or "Home Town", but the structure could make it easier for the team to retain or attract talent.

[Futureite]

Wilson will get 100 to maybe more than 120 million over the term of his next contract.
The amount guaranteed and the length will determine how team friendly it turns out to be.
I doubt there will be any discounts for team or "Home Town", but the structure could make it easier for the team to retain or attract talent.

I won't argue about what RW deserves or should get. That is up to the team. As a fan of an opposing team, the more guaranteed the better. He is going to be the samw RW regardless of his pay scale, so I'd root for more (obviously).

What I ridiculous is this new argument that attempts to devalue Kaep. I thought everyone agreed before his negotiations that the floor was Cutler and Romo at around $19 mil per yr. Those guys have performed equal or arguably even worse than Kaep in some statistical measures. Now it's as if those conversations (which were had on this very board) never occured. Because Kaep took less guranteed money, of course it's because . .? Maybe it is because he had a hand in structuring it that way and he wants to stay here, with a conpetitive team

Compare Flaaco's career stats going into the 2012 season with Kaep's at this point Again, very comparable and arguably worse in some areas. Yet he bet on himself and played out his contract. But the "bicep kisser" did not have enough moxy to do the same? Does not make sense - at all. Hell, even if he struggles at times this yr I guarantee it will not be at the level where sone Jaguaresque team would not have thrown huge guaranteed money at him next yr. We know this to be true through endless examples throughout the history of this league.

[NorthHawk]

Wilson will get 100 to maybe more than 120 million over the term of his next contract.
The amount guaranteed and the length will determine how team friendly it turns out to be.
I doubt there will be any discounts for team or "Home Town", but the structure could make it easier for the team to retain or attract talent.

I won't argue about what RW deserves or should get. That is up to the team. As a fan of an opposing team, the more guaranteed the better. He is going to be the samw RW regardless of his pay scale, so I'd root for more (obviously).

What I ridiculous is this new argument that attempts to devalue Kaep. I thought everyone agreed before his negotiations that the floor was Cutler and Romo at around $19 mil per yr. Those guys have performed equal or arguably even worse than Kaep in some statistical measures. Now it's as if those conversations (which were had on this very board) never occured. Because Kaep took less guranteed money, of course it's because . .? Maybe it is because he had a hand in structuring it that way and he wants to stay here, with a conpetitive team

Compare Flaaco's career stats going into the 2012 season with Kaep's at this point Again, very comparable and arguably worse in some areas. Yet he bet on himself and played out his contract. But the "bicep kisser" did not have enough moxy to do the same? Does not make sense - at all. Hell, even if he struggles at times this yr I guarantee it will not be at the level where sone Jaguaresque team would not have thrown huge guaranteed money at him next yr. We know this to be true through endless examples throughout the history of this league.

QB's, and for that matter all players are paid by their teams what they think they are worth. If SF values Kaep more than others, so be it.
I happen to think he's a pretty good QB that has more room to improve than Wilson, but the potential is there. It might just take more time.
Only the 49ers organization can make the call as to whether the money they are paying for that potential is worth the gamble.

[Futureite]

North;

I would say teams will pay any player the lowest figure that they can pay him. In a roundabout way that does define his "worth". But at the same time we all know that Tom Brady is worth a hell of a lot more than $13 mil in the open market. If the Hawks could pay RW $0, they would. Again, 1/2 of the equation is the player's wants and demands.

We have also seen that many teams will pay far beyond a player's proven value. jamarcus amd Leaf are prime examples of that. There are many factors that play into this, but there is no denying that Kaep could have gotten a lot more guaranteed money from plenty of other suitors. In fact, he probably could have gotten more out of the 49ers had he strung this oit. They have invested a lot in him and have no proven #2 backup.

In RW's case, I am very curios to see how this all plays out. Will he take a deal that helps his team, or will he take guaranteed money that someone like Rodgers has taken? How does his acceptance of one in lieu of the other effect your fanbase's view of him? If it is the former, is he just being a team player, or is he now not fully trusted to carry the team ala Brady, Manning et al if the D declines? If it is the latter contract, I am reading on this board the
opnion that he has earned it.

One way or the other this is a very intersting dynamic that will play out. If RW is not "pay as you go" and is instead compensated like Rodgers, he is going to have to start playing like Rodgers. If he does then the Hawks may never lose again lol.

[Anthony]

North;

I would say teams will pay any player the lowest figure that they can pay him. In a roundabout way that does define his "worth". But at the same time we all know that Tom Brady is worth a hell of a lot more than $13 mil in the open market. If the Hawks could pay RW $0, they would. Again, 1/2 of the equation is the player's wants and demands.

We have also seen that many teams will pay far beyond a player's proven value. jamarcus amd Leaf are prime examples of that. There are many factors that play into this, but there is no denying that Kaep could have gotten a lot more guaranteed money from plenty of other suitors. In fact, he probably could have gotten more out of the 49ers had he strung this oit. They have invested a lot in him and have no proven #2 backup.

In RW's case, I am very curios to see how this all plays out. Will he take a deal that helps his team, or will he take guaranteed money that someone like Rodgers has taken? How does his acceptance of one in lieu of the other effect your fanbase's view of him? If it is the former, is he just being a team player, or is he now not fully trusted to carry the team ala Brady, Manning et al if the D declines? If it is the latter contract, I am reading on this board the
opnion that he has earned it.

One way or the other this is a very intersting dynamic that will play out. If RW is not "pay as you go" and is instead compensated like Rodgers, he is going to have to start playing like Rodgers. If he does then the Hawks may never lose again lol.

Yet another mis statement he has already shown he can perform like Rodgers when needed.

[mykc14]

The Seahawks already "owe" Russell Wilson more guaranteed money because of what he has accomplished so far. These other QB's have not guided their team to a championship and he has, and at a bargain price too.

I expect RW will be paid big, but it will be spread out (the guaranteed bit) and it will be a cap friendly deal. Russell is all about team.

This is exactly what I was trying to point out to a friend I was talking to the other day. Take CK, for instance. He gets x amount guaranteed if he either leads his team to the SB or becomes all pro. RW has already reached one of those incentives so he is going to command the 20 mil/per year average that CK or Dalton can only HOPE to achieve. This is why Future's argument about CK taking 'less' money to help the team stay completive doesn't really hold any water. He got what he could get. It isn't like the niners said ok, here's 19 mil/yr guaranteed and he was like "no lets make sure I first achieve these incentives so that we can stay competitive, blah, blah." Also, the argument that if he didn't like the offer he could have just waited until next off season is just moronic. He would risk way too much. If he has a great season (i.e. all pro or SB) then he gets a huge chunk of $ this year anyway and if he had a horrible season or got hurt he would't have got nearly as much. He saves face by saying he took less to help the team. With that being said, IMO, he is going to really regret the structure of this contract as time goes on because he is a good QB, but not all pro and it is going to take a lot for him to actually win the SB, just like any qb.

Before the contract: "49ers will have to pay CK upwards of $20 mil. They have no choice".

After thw contract: "49ers gave him a pay as you go contract. They don't trust him".

All you guys have done is to shift from one argument where we were hosed due to salary cap or another where we are hosed because we don't trust our QB and plan on shipping him out if/when he doesn't perform. Either way yiu were goung to make sure this was cast in a negative light.

It is only moronic in your mind to believe CK would bet on himself because you believe he is not very good. I guarantee he does not feel that way though. Most NFL QBs do not (see Flaaco for an example of betting on one's self). In fact, most pro arhletes period do not think this way. That analogy is just another example of an attempt to paint whatever occurred in as negative light as possible. Players play out their contracts all the time in hopes of more money or even hold out (hello, Lynch), and CK's unwillingness to do either has zero bearing on his value or level of talent.

What you are also doing is buffering for the inevitable backlash that comes if RW gets a ton of guaranteed money. That's obvious. If he does, he's "earned it" and of course it's all logical and good. The fact is, on one hand you guys have discussed the greatness of your D by historical standards and then in the same breath credited RW with a ring over CK or other QBs that do not have one. All of which is posited in an effort to justify more guaranteed $$ for RW. It's a bogus argument. Our d gave up over 30 ppg in the 2012 postseason. We all saw what happened when your D gave up 30 in a playoff game - they lost.

Same EXACT result.

Actually I said that I thought he was 'good.' This whole contract is him betting on himself, can't you see that. That is my point, it would be stupid for him not to sign this contact for him, because he believes that he is good enough to either lead his team to the SB or be named All-Pro, him signing it is betting on himself. If he completes one of those escalators he jumps to a 19 mil/yr qb. Don't you understand this? If he doesn't sign (bets on himself as you put it) and has a great year he is still a 19 mil/yr qb.

As far as me preparing for the backlash of RW's contract: CK's contract has two major escalators of which he has to compete one to get more $, correct? One of those RW has ALREADY completed, therefore he should earn more $ then CK if they are using anything close to the same measuring stick. Is there a clause in CK's contract that discusses him getting less money if they win the SB but his D is ranked #1 or something? No, it is simply if he wins the SB, he achieves the escalator. If CK would have won the SB last year I can guarantee you that he doesn't have a contract with that as an escalator. If he had a SB ring on his finger when he signed that contract he would have had more money, end of story.