Is it too Early to Say That The Achilles Heel ?

[NorthHawk]

I brought up that health of that line is a viable question, however, you seem to be having some selective memory in regards to who was starting and where they were starting along that line, as well as who was healthy and who wasn't. Okung has had in the past injury problems, period, Unger has three years ago, Carpenter has, I get the idea about questioning the ability to STAY healthy, but that isn't what is being discussed in this thread. It is the "quality" of that line, which ISN'T the same as the "health" of that line. It's Jim dandy to want all all pros along the line, with all pros backing them up, it just isn't POSSIBLE, and as such you deal with and cope with what is on hand, what can be purchased, and work from their. The idea that they haven't worked on that line in the last three years is laughable, and simply not acknowledging what has been drafted, signed and done.

Again, I'm not "happy" with what the health has been, nor the performance, however, I recognise what they have indeed been attempting to do, how they are going about it and more importantly WHY they are going about it the way they are. People that look deeper can SEE the moves, and SEE the talent and SEE what they are attempting to do ( whether they have been successful or not is irrelevant to the discussion at hand). They are attempting to BUILD a line, as opposed to sacrificing guys like Wilson, Sherman, Thomas, Lynch, Harvin, Baldwin, Wagner, Wright, Avril so they can pay through the nose to replace them.

It's fine to say you want the line improved, I do as well, however there IS a plan for doing so, and it is silly to argue against said plan considering the results. I would NOT be surprised in the least to see Seattle move up in the next two drafts to get the RIGHT lineman, but the crux of the matter is maybe, just maybe that lineman hasn't been either available to them, or he simply hasn't BEEN there in the first place. The performance across the BOARD for young lineman is pathetic, and as I pointed out, you simply don't have to look very hard to see it.

So what is the plan? Maybe if we knew, this topic could be closed.
As it stands now, many of us are wondering what they are doing as it seems (at least to me) to be a haphazard or maybe a plug the leak approach to building the OL.

LOL. The "plan" is right there in the response, it is to DRAFT and DEVELOPE THEIR kind of players, to "make" them into what "they" want, not what a bunch of nervous nancies want on message boards. How many of those players on that line are big ticket FA mediocre players? None is it? They draft THEIR players, grade THEIR players differently from the rest of the NFL, have won a CHAMPIONSHIP with THEIR players, and have done so in an insanely short amount of time, and STILL you all quiblle like they were coming off a 4-12 season. They have NOT been shy about their plans, have spoken about it, discussed it, made that plan clear to all of you, so if you don't grasp it at this point, I'm not entirely sure how to help you all understand it.

It cracks me up, it really does, because if they HAD followed all of the "advise" this board has offered on the "upgrade" of the line, their would be a TON of bloated contracts on this roster, performing at a mediocre level, and NO Sherman, or Thomas, or WILSON or Lynch or some other VALUABLE, KEY cocontributor on this team, and you would all be up in arms about losing THEM instead of the perceived weakness of a line that has yet to take the field. Would you all rather have an overpriced line but NO Wilson? How about an overpriced line and NO defense? The lack of understanding of the BASIC principal, that to GET a high priced player, you have to GIVE a high priced player up, absolutely is crazy to me.

The plan isn't working very well.
If they were serious about developing a top OL, they would have devoted more than late selections and Free Agent pickups in 2 previous drafts.
So I think your concept of what they are doing is incorrect.

[Anthony]

I brought up that health of that line is a viable question, however, you seem to be having some selective memory in regards to who was starting and where they were starting along that line, as well as who was healthy and who wasn't. Okung has had in the past injury problems, period, Unger has three years ago, Carpenter has, I get the idea about questioning the ability to STAY healthy, but that isn't what is being discussed in this thread. It is the "quality" of that line, which ISN'T the same as the "health" of that line. It's Jim dandy to want all all pros along the line, with all pros backing them up, it just isn't POSSIBLE, and as such you deal with and cope with what is on hand, what can be purchased, and work from their. The idea that they haven't worked on that line in the last three years is laughable, and simply not acknowledging what has been drafted, signed and done.

Again, I'm not "happy" with what the health has been, nor the performance, however, I recognise what they have indeed been attempting to do, how they are going about it and more importantly WHY they are going about it the way they are. People that look deeper can SEE the moves, and SEE the talent and SEE what they are attempting to do ( whether they have been successful or not is irrelevant to the discussion at hand). They are attempting to BUILD a line, as opposed to sacrificing guys like Wilson, Sherman, Thomas, Lynch, Harvin, Baldwin, Wagner, Wright, Avril so they can pay through the nose to replace them.

It's fine to say you want the line improved, I do as well, however there IS a plan for doing so, and it is silly to argue against said plan considering the results. I would NOT be surprised in the least to see Seattle move up in the next two drafts to get the RIGHT lineman, but the crux of the matter is maybe, just maybe that lineman hasn't been either available to them, or he simply hasn't BEEN there in the first place. The performance across the BOARD for young lineman is pathetic, and as I pointed out, you simply don't have to look very hard to see it.

So what is the plan? Maybe if we knew, this topic could be closed.
As it stands now, many of us are wondering what they are doing as it seems (at least to me) to be a haphazard or maybe a plug the leak approach to building the OL.

LOL. The "plan" is right there in the response, it is to DRAFT and DEVELOPE THEIR kind of players, to "make" them into what "they" want, not what a bunch of nervous nancies want on message boards. How many of those players on that line are big ticket FA mediocre players? None is it? They draft THEIR players, grade THEIR players differently from the rest of the NFL, have won a CHAMPIONSHIP with THEIR players, and have done so in an insanely short amount of time, and STILL you all quiblle like they were coming off a 4-12 season. They have NOT been shy about their plans, have spoken about it, discussed it, made that plan clear to all of you, so if you don't grasp it at this point, I'm not entirely sure how to help you all understand it.

It cracks me up, it really does, because if they HAD followed all of the "advise" this board has offered on the "upgrade" of the line, their would be a TON of bloated contracts on this roster, performing at a mediocre level, and NO Sherman, or Thomas, or WILSON or Lynch or some other VALUABLE, KEY cocontributor on this team, and you would all be up in arms about losing THEM instead of the perceived weakness of a line that has yet to take the field. Would you all rather have an overpriced line but NO Wilson? How about an overpriced line and NO defense? The lack of understanding of the BASIC principal, that to GET a high priced player, you have to GIVE a high priced player up, absolutely is crazy to me.

What cracks me up I show a problem that has existed for several years is no big deal to you. You just made a lot of assumptions like bloated contracts, and performing at a mediocre level. You do not know where we would be if they had shown more interest in the o-line. I guess like I said until Rw gets hurt you will not see there is a problem. However pretty much everyone else sees a problem, a problem that has existed for over 3 years. IN the last 3 years we have not been higher than 20th, last year we were 32nd. That is pathetic, and anyone will any eyes should be concerned. Until they show improvement I will ne concerned as would any body. If they have made their plan clear about the o-line it is not working, time to change the plan, before you give a 20+mil contract to your franchise QB, only to have him injured because of bad o-lie play. Like I said they may have a plan but so far the plan is failing with regards to the o-line.

[HumanCockroach]

You mean like they did with the receiver core, defensive backfield, LB core, QB, RB etc? LOL North, I expect that stuff from people that don't follow the team, not those that I feel pay attention, and respect their insight. Seattle has spent MORE top draft picks on that offensive line than ANY other position group since they have been here, you KNOW that's true, you can bemoan the success of those picks, but please don't go all off the rails with the they haven't used any top picks on them stuff. Sweezy is the ONLY lineman starting that wasn't drafted in the first two rounds on this team, and honestly, at this point he probably would be a first or second round pick.

Like I said, you can complain about the success if you want ( though personally, I'm OK with a Championship) but you simply cannot deny that they have continued to attempt to upgrade that line throughout the course of their tenier here. The ONLY thing they have not done, is gone out and sacrificed a Thomas, or Sherman, or Wilson for a 30 something overpriced lineman, if that is your plan, you're welcome to it, I much prefer finding, and then keeping dominant lineman ( which is WHY those guys are there in free agency to begin with, they ain't worth the cost, hence teams let them walk, if not, they SIGN and keep them). Seattle has drafted at least one offensive Lineman in ALL but one draft within their first two picks ( Okung, Carpenter,Moffitt,Britt) have retained the best they had when taking over ( Unger) and have actively sought second tier reasonable veterans ( Giacomini, McQuistan, Polumbus etc) have let POOR lineman leave ( Locklear,Spencer etc) and have indeed been extremely active searching for and procuring backup players that are young and hungry ( like Bailey, Bowie, Jeanpeirre . Etc) if that doesn't coincide with the spend on line at all costs theory you got, I'm not sure what to tell you. It is their plan after all, and I'm not sure they are inclined to listen to you, RD etc. Maybe it because they know a little something about it, but maybe they just lucked their way into the Lombardi, cause that's realistic and all

[HumanCockroach]

Anthony,
Whatever, you guys want to believe you can have all pros at every position and still be able to dump the money necessary to keep guys like Sherman, Thomas, Wilson and the like, who am I to rain on your fantasies? Maybe I am unrealistic waiting to see them actually PLAY, maybe I am unrealistic understanding that STILL no one has come up with the name of the guy, or guys that were available, that Seattle didn't look at that would have waved their wands and made it all better, maybe I'm the unrealistic one because I understand that this team just won a championship, maybe I'm that guy that is silly for believing that a HEALTHY PRODUCTIVE line is the one that should be judged instead of second and third stringers, maybe I'm crazy for believing that a team made mostly from castoffs, late round draft picks judged by this coaching staff might not need to dump money down the FA hole. Only a few short weeks to find out, course unlike many here I am fine WAITING those weeks to do so.

[RiverDog]

And NEITHER do YOU. What I DO know is that BEFORE those injuries, they were INDEED PRO BOWL and ALL PRO caliber players. So either you are claiming they regressed OR they simply didn't care, which is it? You seem to be playing BOTH sides of the fence on this one , either they were deserving the year before and magically went in the tank ( according to you and those sharing like minded views) OR the injuries actually had something to do with it. WHICH is it going to be?

I'm fully aware that some people can't be happy unless they are B!tching about something, but you are taking it to another level on this one, you haven't SEEN them play a pre season game, not ONE damn snap, and they are worthless.

I've now said THREE times on this thread alone, that I personally am NOT happy with the play from last season, and WANT it to improve, the DIFFERENCE is I will NOT lambaste any player I don't actually SEE where as many look BACKWARDS to justify their position, I look at the problem at HAND and in the FUTURE. You're basing an assessment on past data that may or MAY NOT be the case moving forward. There is ZERO way for you to accurately predict health, improvement or growth on this line, ZERO. Your claiming to "know" things you DON'T and questioning others ( like me, but not only me) that continue to say they "don't know" because of crap that happened last season or the season before.

Sweezy might be worthless, again, he MIGHT become the HOF guard Wilson predicts him to be, Okung might get injured again, then again he MIGHT stay healthy all year and dominate, Unger might continue to produce at a lower level, then again he MIGHT become the ALL PRO he has been in the past, Carpenter might continue to tease with his ability, then again he MIGHT have put it together, and MIGHT be fully healthy, Britt might be rubishrubbish, then again he MIGHT turn out to be another steal by the Seahawks...... MIGHT,MIGHT,MIGHT..... I don't know which way that ball is going to bounce, but my freinds neither do ANY of you. So I'll WAIT to see which one happens with each and every player, and trust that the people who built this Championship team MIGHT actually have a BETTER idea on HOW to do it, than a bunch of over reacting fans on a message board.

If you want to wait before venturing an opinion, then kindly excuse yourself from the thread and let the rest of us talk football. It's been a long 6 months since we've had something tangible to discuss, so please, let me express my opinion.

[HumanCockroach]

Waiting to SEE what they do once they are actually ON the field IS my opinion. You aren't "discussing" football, you're hosting a pitty party, it isn't the same thing. You're complaining, which isn't the same as "discussing football" you're worrying which isn't the same as "discussing football" there is little to NO football discussion on this thread, plenty of fretting, worrying, finger nail biting, and fear, but very little actual football discussion. Heaven forbid someone points out you haven't seen the starting unit this season, or that you barely saw it LAST season, that just kills the buzz and enjoyment of the concern that has been fostered here in this thread.

SMH only in Seattle. *sigh* the parties over, they'll never compete again, Wilson will be in traction come week one, and it is all because they didn't spend 70 million on O-lineman "x" , LMAO. Enjoy I guess. Don't let my REASONABLE,REALISTIC, FACTUAL posts desuade you all from sitting there freaking out, I wouldn't want to slow the mass hysteria forming. Wow. Just wow.

By the way RD, without ME how long ago does this thread take to die? Pretty boring thread with everyone saying how pathetic the non seen offensive line is, agreeing, and then what? Nothing is what. You're WELCOME for offering a different view than those that are also on the "fear" train.

[Anthony]

You mean like they did with the receiver core, defensive backfield, LB core, QB, RB etc? LOL North, I expect that stuff from people that don't follow the team, not those that I feel pay attention, and respect their insight. Seattle has spent MORE top draft picks on that offensive line than ANY other position group since they have been here, you KNOW that's true, you can bemoan the success of those picks, but please don't go all off the rails with the they haven't used any top picks on them stuff. Sweezy is the ONLY lineman starting that wasn't drafted in the first two rounds on this team, and honestly, at this point he probably would be a first or second round pick.

Like I said, you can complain about the success if you want ( though personally, I'm OK with a Championship) but you simply cannot deny that they have continued to attempt to upgrade that line throughout the course of their tenier here. The ONLY thing they have not done, is gone out and sacrificed a Thomas, or Sherman, or Wilson for a 30 something overpriced lineman, if that is your plan, you're welcome to it, I much prefer finding, and then keeping dominant lineman ( which is WHY those guys are there in free agency to begin with, they ain't worth the cost, hence teams let them walk, if not, they SIGN and keep them). Seattle has drafted at least one offensive Lineman in ALL but one draft within their first two picks ( Okung, Carpenter,Moffitt,Britt) have retained the best they had when taking over ( Unger) and have actively sought second tier reasonable veterans ( Giacomini, McQuistan, Polumbus etc) have let POOR lineman leave ( Locklear,Spencer etc) and have indeed been extremely active searching for and procuring backup players that are young and hungry ( like Bailey, Bowie, Jeanpeirre . Etc) if that doesn't coincide with the spend on line at all costs theory you got, I'm not sure what to tell you. It is their plan after all, and I'm not sure they are inclined to listen to you, RD etc. Maybe it because they know a little something about it, but maybe they just lucked their way into the Lombardi, cause that's realistic and all

I do not argue that they have not tried just that they have failed, time to try something else.

[Anthony]

Anthony,
Whatever, you guys want to believe you can have all pros at every position and still be able to dump the money necessary to keep guys like Sherman, Thomas, Wilson and the like, who am I to rain on your fantasies? Maybe I am unrealistic waiting to see them actually PLAY, maybe I am unrealistic understanding that STILL no one has come up with the name of the guy, or guys that were available, that Seattle didn't look at that would have waved their wands and made it all better, maybe I'm the unrealistic one because I understand that this team just won a championship, maybe I'm that guy that is silly for believing that a HEALTHY PRODUCTIVE line is the one that should be judged instead of second and third stringers, maybe I'm crazy for believing that a team made mostly from castoffs, late round draft picks judged by this coaching staff might not need to dump money down the FA hole. Only a few short weeks to find out, course unlike many here I am fine WAITING those weeks to do so.

Ahh I see since none of us fans who do not have access to all the info on players the FO do, cannot come up with anything we should be happy with the same sub par o-line we have had for the last few years, and if Rw gets hurt oh well it obviously does not matter since it will be because us fans did not come up with a solution. Really.

[Anthony]

Waiting to SEE what they do once they are actually ON the field IS my opinion. You aren't "discussing" football, you're hosting a pitty party, it isn't the same thing. You're complaining, which isn't the same as "discussing football" you're worrying which isn't the same as "discussing football" there is little to NO football discussion on this thread, plenty of fretting, worrying, finger nail biting, and fear, but very little actual football discussion. Heaven forbid someone points out you haven't seen the starting unit this season, or that you barely saw it LAST season, that just kills the buzz and enjoyment of the concern that has been fostered here in this thread.

SMH only in Seattle. *sigh* the parties over, they'll never compete again, Wilson will be in traction come week one, and it is all because they didn't spend 70 million on O-lineman "x" , LMAO. Enjoy I guess. Don't let my REASONABLE,REALISTIC, FACTUAL posts desuade you all from sitting there freaking out, I wouldn't want to slow the mass hysteria forming. Wow. Just wow.

By the way RD, without ME how long ago does this thread take to die? Pretty boring thread with everyone saying how pathetic the non seen offensive line is, agreeing, and then what? Nothing is what. You're WELCOME for offering a different view than those that are also on the "fear" train.

NO we are starting that the o-lien has been a problem for some time, and so far nothing has changed, no one has said it might not, but given the injury prowness of our starting LT the odds are pretty good we will see some of these same players we just saw that looked bad again. The fact is it is a concern and one we have a right to talk about. By the way there is nothing reasonable, realistic or factual about your stance, the FACT is the o-line has been a problem for years, the FACT is nothing we have seen so far has changed that. Now if you want to say it is early and they were missing several starters great, but that does not change the concerns. We had this same debate last year and I believe your stance was the same, and here we are and RW was the most hit, sacked, and hurried QB in the league last year. We have a right to be concerned, until they give us a reason not to be, that is what happens when a concerns exits for 3+ years.

[HumanCockroach]

Good lord, how did my "stance" work out Anthony? I called the first Lombardi in Hawks history, and guess what? I said Wilson wouldn't be hurt, guess what, I said Sherman would lead the league in interceptions, guess what..... Seems to me, that my reasonable approach did JUST fine. But by all means express your fear, concerns, and worry to each other, I'm sure it will definitely alleviate all your fears moving forward, if you just B!tch one more time. I'll just continue on with my unfounded stances ( that somehow continue by magic I guess to be accurate) pay attention to actual football, and glean those stances from those, I mean, you claiming my "stances" but you know, you all been fretting and worrying about the SAME things for a year and a half now, none of your worries or concerns have come to pass, but still you bang that drum. Forgive me, if I don't feel the all encompassing fear, you all do, I must not like Wilson. LMAO

[HumanCockroach]

You mean like they did with the receiver core, defensive backfield, LB core, QB, RB etc? LOL North, I expect that stuff from people that don't follow the team, not those that I feel pay attention, and respect their insight. Seattle has spent MORE top draft picks on that offensive line than ANY other position group since they have been here, you KNOW that's true, you can bemoan the success of those picks, but please don't go all off the rails with the they haven't used any top picks on them stuff. Sweezy is the ONLY lineman starting that wasn't drafted in the first two rounds on this team, and honestly, at this point he probably would be a first or second round pick.

Like I said, you can complain about the success if you want ( though personally, I'm OK with a Championship) but you simply cannot deny that they have continued to attempt to upgrade that line throughout the course of their tenier here. The ONLY thing they have not done, is gone out and sacrificed a Thomas, or Sherman, or Wilson for a 30 something overpriced lineman, if that is your plan, you're welcome to it, I much prefer finding, and then keeping dominant lineman ( which is WHY those guys are there in free agency to begin with, they ain't worth the cost, hence teams let them walk, if not, they SIGN and keep them). Seattle has drafted at least one offensive Lineman in ALL but one draft within their first two picks ( Okung, Carpenter,Moffitt,Britt) have retained the best they had when taking over ( Unger) and have actively sought second tier reasonable veterans ( Giacomini, McQuistan, Polumbus etc) have let POOR lineman leave ( Locklear,Spencer etc) and have indeed been extremely active searching for and procuring backup players that are young and hungry ( like Bailey, Bowie, Jeanpeirre . Etc) if that doesn't coincide with the spend on line at all costs theory you got, I'm not sure what to tell you. It is their plan after all, and I'm not sure they are inclined to listen to you, RD etc. Maybe it because they know a little something about it, but maybe they just lucked their way into the Lombardi, cause that's realistic and all

I do not argue that they have not tried just that they have failed, time to try something else.

Which unless I am mistaken they are ( Britt,Winston etc).

[HumanCockroach]

Anthony,
Whatever, you guys want to believe you can have all pros at every position and still be able to dump the money necessary to keep guys like Sherman, Thomas, Wilson and the like, who am I to rain on your fantasies? Maybe I am unrealistic waiting to see them actually PLAY, maybe I am unrealistic understanding that STILL no one has come up with the name of the guy, or guys that were available, that Seattle didn't look at that would have waved their wands and made it all better, maybe I'm the unrealistic one because I understand that this team just won a championship, maybe I'm that guy that is silly for believing that a HEALTHY PRODUCTIVE line is the one that should be judged instead of second and third stringers, maybe I'm crazy for believing that a team made mostly from castoffs, late round draft picks judged by this coaching staff might not need to dump money down the FA hole. Only a few short weeks to find out, course unlike many here I am fine WAITING those weeks to do so.

Ahh I see since none of us fans who do not have access to all the info on players the FO do, cannot come up with anything we should be happy with the same sub par o-line we have had for the last few years, and if Rw gets hurt oh well it obviously does not matter since it will be because us fans did not come up with a solution. Really.

This is nothing more than a "fire" panic shout that is placed to bait me Anthony, and I pass.

[Anthony]

You mean like they did with the receiver core, defensive backfield, LB core, QB, RB etc? LOL North, I expect that stuff from people that don't follow the team, not those that I feel pay attention, and respect their insight. Seattle has spent MORE top draft picks on that offensive line than ANY other position group since they have been here, you KNOW that's true, you can bemoan the success of those picks, but please don't go all off the rails with the they haven't used any top picks on them stuff. Sweezy is the ONLY lineman starting that wasn't drafted in the first two rounds on this team, and honestly, at this point he probably would be a first or second round pick.

Like I said, you can complain about the success if you want ( though personally, I'm OK with a Championship) but you simply cannot deny that they have continued to attempt to upgrade that line throughout the course of their tenier here. The ONLY thing they have not done, is gone out and sacrificed a Thomas, or Sherman, or Wilson for a 30 something overpriced lineman, if that is your plan, you're welcome to it, I much prefer finding, and then keeping dominant lineman ( which is WHY those guys are there in free agency to begin with, they ain't worth the cost, hence teams let them walk, if not, they SIGN and keep them). Seattle has drafted at least one offensive Lineman in ALL but one draft within their first two picks ( Okung, Carpenter,Moffitt,Britt) have retained the best they had when taking over ( Unger) and have actively sought second tier reasonable veterans ( Giacomini, McQuistan, Polumbus etc) have let POOR lineman leave ( Locklear,Spencer etc) and have indeed been extremely active searching for and procuring backup players that are young and hungry ( like Bailey, Bowie, Jeanpeirre . Etc) if that doesn't coincide with the spend on line at all costs theory you got, I'm not sure what to tell you. It is their plan after all, and I'm not sure they are inclined to listen to you, RD etc. Maybe it because they know a little something about it, but maybe they just lucked their way into the Lombardi, cause that's realistic and all

I do not argue that they have not tried just that they have failed, time to try something else.

Which unless I am mistaken they are ( Britt,Winston etc).

Thats this years attempts to fix the problem, yet the problem as of now is not fixed.

[Anthony]

Anthony,
Whatever, you guys want to believe you can have all pros at every position and still be able to dump the money necessary to keep guys like Sherman, Thomas, Wilson and the like, who am I to rain on your fantasies? Maybe I am unrealistic waiting to see them actually PLAY, maybe I am unrealistic understanding that STILL no one has come up with the name of the guy, or guys that were available, that Seattle didn't look at that would have waved their wands and made it all better, maybe I'm the unrealistic one because I understand that this team just won a championship, maybe I'm that guy that is silly for believing that a HEALTHY PRODUCTIVE line is the one that should be judged instead of second and third stringers, maybe I'm crazy for believing that a team made mostly from castoffs, late round draft picks judged by this coaching staff might not need to dump money down the FA hole. Only a few short weeks to find out, course unlike many here I am fine WAITING those weeks to do so.

Ahh I see since none of us fans who do not have access to all the info on players the FO do, cannot come up with anything we should be happy with the same sub par o-line we have had for the last few years, and if Rw gets hurt oh well it obviously does not matter since it will be because us fans did not come up with a solution. Really.

This is nothing more than a "fire" panic shout that is placed to bait me Anthony, and I pass.

not meant to bait but mean to make a point, the problem has existed for years, and so far still a problem, and problem we should all be concerned with until they fix it.

[jshawaii22]

Today was the first day of 2014's training that all 5 of our projected starters on the OLine actually were on the field and practicing today as a unit.

Two of my friends that were part of the lucky ones to see the last open practice emailed me that the offense dominated the drills today.
Maybe we should give them at least a chance to see what the actual starters can do, but no doubt it's been weird to have the OLine rated at #31 last year and still win like we did.

js

[Anthony]

Today was the first day of 2014's training that all 5 of our projected starters on the OLine actually were on the field and practicing today as a unit.

Two of my friends that were part of the lucky ones to see the last open practice emailed me that the offense dominated the drills today.
Maybe we should give them at least a chance to see what the actual starters can do, but no doubt it's been weird to have the OLine rated at #31 last year and still win like we did.

js

I am open to giving them a chance and have said so, but after 3+ years of subpar o-line play they need to prove it, and not just for 1 game but for a season, and that includes being able to stay healthy, until they do it, it is a concern, and that is my point.

[HumanCockroach]

Anthony,
Different pieces, different QB ( yes Wilson is the same for two of the years, however, I would assume you would acknowledge Growth in him) and there is a HUGE difference between "concern" and "obsession", continuing to complain incessantly about something non stop for over a year, isn't a concern, it's an obsession. Claiming knowing an injury is just a matter of time, is indeed a "fire" claim, and is in no way a substantiable claim Anthony. Plenty of QB's have been injured behind stellar lines, it isn't solely the realm of poor pass blocking lines.

This is what the Seahawks have to work with, I would recommend you all get familiar with it, and learn to cope.

[HumanCockroach]

"Thats this years attempts to fix the problem, yet the problem as of now is not fixed"

and how pre tell do you know that without seeing them on a football field ( which was my ENTIRE point to begin with)?

[Anthony]

Anthony,
Different pieces, different QB ( yes Wilson is the same for two of the years, however, I would assume you would acknowledge Growth in him) and there is a HUGE difference between "concern" and "obsession", continuing to complain incessantly about something non stop for over a year, isn't a concern, it's an obsession. Claiming knowing an injury is just a matter of time, is indeed a "fire" claim, and is in no way a substantiable claim Anthony. Plenty of QB's have been injured behind stellar lines, it isn't solely the realm of poor pass blocking lines.

This is what the Seahawks have to work with, I would recommend you all get familiar with it, and learn to cope.

Dude I have not complained at all since the SB till now, and I am not complaining now either, I am making a statement of fact the o-line is a concern, If you were not so hell bent on making us think we do not have a right to be concerned this would die down, but you will not. You act like we do not have the right to be concerned about an o-line that for 3+ years has ben bad. Guess what we have a right to be concerned until the fix it. As to the whole injury thing dude it is not a fire anything when a guy consistently gets injured it is a concern, period. Also no one is saying QBs cannot be injured behind a stellar olines but the odds go way up when your o-line is as bad as ours have been. You know right now you are just being very belittling, and hard headed, trying to tell me I do not have the right to be concerned, and a right to voice it is just plain crap, and some of the stuff you are saying is just plain wrong. The only one obsessing here is you. We are just being concerned, something anyone with a brain who has watched our o-line over the last 3+ years would be.

Let me some it up, DO NOT TELL ME I DO NOT HAVE THE RIGH TO BE CONCERENED, THE PLAY OF THE O-LINE OVER THE LAST 3 YEARS SHOWS WHY I SHOLD BE. yes I meant for it to be in caps, I do not like being told what I can or cannot think, especially when they have been so bad for years.

[Anthony]

"Thats this years attempts to fix the problem, yet the problem as of now is not fixed"

and how pre tell do you know that without seeing them on a football field ( which was my ENTIRE point to begin with)?

They just played a game and as of that game they are not fixed. Now maybe when the starters get back they will be, but the lien that started that game is not fixed, and some of those players were the players you said they got to fix the problem.

[HumanCockroach]

No, "they" did not just play a game, their backups, and their backups, backups just played a game. Sweezy started, 1 of 5 does NOT teach us anything. Not playing Carpenter, Okung, Unger you can claim Britts a starter, but hinging all progress on a rookie playing his first NFL game seems like a HUGE stretch to me.

[NorthHawk]

Like I said earlier, this was only the first game, so maybe they will get it together for the season.
Britt might just surprise us and develop quickly - he has 3 weeks and maybe Winston has something left in the tank.
It's at least encouraging they signed a couple of OL that have had good success in the past.
That's a step forward, but it's the young guys that will tell if we have improved or not up front in the longer term.

[HumanCockroach]

Anthony,
Different pieces, different QB ( yes Wilson is the same for two of the years, however, I would assume you would acknowledge Growth in him) and there is a HUGE difference between "concern" and "obsession", continuing to complain incessantly about something non stop for over a year, isn't a concern, it's an obsession. Claiming knowing an injury is just a matter of time, is indeed a "fire" claim, and is in no way a substantiable claim Anthony. Plenty of QB's have been injured behind stellar lines, it isn't solely the realm of poor pass blocking lines.

This is what the Seahawks have to work with, I would recommend you all get familiar with it, and learn to cope.

Dude I have not complained at all since the SB till now, and I am not complaining now either, I am making a statement of fact the o-line is a concern, If you were not so hell bent on making us think we do not have a right to be concerned this would die down, but you will not. You act like we do not have the right to be concerned about an o-line that for 3+ years has ben bad. Guess what we have a right to be concerned until the fix it. As to the whole injury thing dude it is not a fire anything when a guy consistently gets injured it is a concern, period. Also no one is saying QBs cannot be injured behind a stellar olines but the odds go way up when your o-line is as bad as ours have been. You know right now you are just being very belittling, and hard headed, trying to tell me I do not have the right to be concerned, and a right to voice it is just plain crap, and some of the stuff you are saying is just plain wrong. The only one obsessing here is you. We are just being concerned, something anyone with a brain who has watched our o-line over the last 3+ years would be.

Let me some it up, DO NOT TELL ME I DO NOT HAVE THE RIGH TO BE CONCERENED, THE PLAY OF THE O-LINE OVER THE LAST 3 YEARS SHOWS WHY I SHOLD BE. yes I meant for it to be in caps, I do not like being told what I can or cannot think, especially when they have been so bad for years.

CHRIST, I did NOT tell you what to think or do and will now say for the FOURTH time on this thread ( not to mention hundreds of times on numerous other threads with the SAME stupid topic) that the line also "concerns" me, what I AM saying is that UNTIL we actually SEE the starting unit on the FIELD there should be a little REALISM and actual THOUGHT involved, as opposed to BLIND panic and fear. Your not just "being concerned" your banging the same damn drum with random thoughts and claimclaims that either are not true ( ie the "worst" line in the league which it isn't) or they are worthless ( which again they aren't) or some other random claim that they haven't been "fixing" the line, mixed in with a smattering of they don't pick players except for late round projects or some other such foolishness ( not you but others).

I've said NUMEROUS times I want the line improved, HOWEVER I don't KNOW anymore than ANYONE else on this board ( INCLUDING YOU) whether the moves they have made will DO SO as they HAVEN'T been on the damn field. The ONLY thing I keep pointing out is, UNTIL we see them play and function as a UNIT there is NO WAY to fricken KNOW, I could give a rats ass what they did last year ( with multiple missed starts, nagging injuries for the entire season with 3 of the 5 fill in lineman gone) I could care even LESS about two years ago, and less than that three years ago. WHAT I CARE about is the FUTURE, and what they can do THIS year, and I'm personally going to give them that chance. Be my guest living in seasons past, feel and think and "care" about whatever the hell it is that you WANT, I do NOT care.

But I'm not going to pretend like YOUR opinion is the ONLY one out there, and I'm NOT going to come onto a board professing injuries, or horrid play simply to draw attention to my concerns, or opinions. By all means, fret, worry, work those nails to the bones if that is your hearts desire, I'll just continue to ENJOY this football team, and look FORWARD to future success, and cope with what is IN front of them.

AND YES Anthony, "when Wilson gets hurt" is a "fire" statement, as he HASN'T been consistently hurt, and ANY QB can indeed be hurt on every snap, no matter the ability in pass protection. Saying it is unquantifiable and simply a fear of yours, nothing more.

It may have been a concern for three years, but obviously they aren't just standing pat, they continue to sign and draft lineman right? So obviously they are attempting to upgrade it. This whole this guy or that guy fixes everything thought process is silly, time, health, familiarity with each other and the QB, timing ALL play into good line play, and as of yet, there has been a dearth of a lot of those elements. It TAKES time, and while everyone here wants it fixed RIGHT NOW, RIGHT NOW, I just realise it does NOT work that way, if that offends you, so be it, but I'm not in the habit of just pretending to worry and freak out over things beyond my control.

[RiverDog]

Waiting to SEE what they do once they are actually ON the field IS my opinion. You aren't "discussing" football, you're hosting a pitty party, it isn't the same thing. You're complaining, which isn't the same as "discussing football" you're worrying which isn't the same as "discussing football" there is little to NO football discussion on this thread, plenty of fretting, worrying, finger nail biting, and fear, but very little actual football discussion. Heaven forbid someone points out you haven't seen the starting unit this season, or that you barely saw it LAST season, that just kills the buzz and enjoyment of the concern that has been fostered here in this thread.

SMH only in Seattle. *sigh* the parties over, they'll never compete again, Wilson will be in traction come week one, and it is all because they didn't spend 70 million on O-lineman "x" , LMAO. Enjoy I guess. Don't let my REASONABLE,REALISTIC, FACTUAL posts desuade you all from sitting there freaking out, I wouldn't want to slow the mass hysteria forming. Wow. Just wow.

By the way RD, without ME how long ago does this thread take to die? Pretty boring thread with everyone saying how pathetic the non seen offensive line is, agreeing, and then what? Nothing is what. You're WELCOME for offering a different view than those that are also on the "fear" train.

You spend a good amount of your time attacking someone else's opinion, usually mine, by characterizing it as hysteria, freaking out, a fear train, et al, rather than highlighting that of your own. If your opinion is wait and see, then wait and see. I have no problem with your opinion, and you have valid points, most of which I agree with, and I have refrained from uncomplimentary characterizations as you have been doing to mine.

This thread, a thread that I did not start, asks a question, a rather provocative, critical question, about the upcoming 2013 season, and the thread title itself is going to attract some rather critical responses. If the subject is so heavy that you can't handle the responses without attacking others, then start a thread about SB XLIII, Russell Wilson, Richard Sherman, Earl Thomas, Walter Jones, or some other positive subject where we can offer you your positive buzz fix.

By the way, I do appreciate your participation. But there are times when your constant bashing wears on me.

[HumanCockroach]

By the way, I do appreciate your participation. But there are times when your constant bashing wears on me

As it does me, it does me.

SMH.

edit: by the way RD, if you think I haven't highlighted my opinion, I invite you to re read all my posts. I've highlighted in almost every post WHY that is my opinion, and have gone to great lengths to express why my opinion is what it is.

[Anthony]

No, "they" did not just play a game, their backups, and their backups, backups just played a game. Sweezy started, 1 of 5 does NOT teach us anything. Not playing Carpenter, Okung, Unger you can claim Britts a starter, but hinging all progress on a rookie playing his first NFL game seems like a HUGE stretch to me.

Dude last I checked RW is not a back up, and the o-line sucked., until the prove they have made some improvements they are a concern period.

[Anthony]

Like I said earlier, this was only the first game, so maybe they will get it together for the season.
Britt might just surprise us and develop quickly - he has 3 weeks and maybe Winston has something left in the tank.
It's at least encouraging they signed a couple of OL that have had good success in the past.
That's a step forward, but it's the young guys that will tell if we have improved or not up front in the longer term.

I agree maybe they will but until then it is and should be a concern.

[Anthony]

Anthony,
Different pieces, different QB ( yes Wilson is the same for two of the years, however, I would assume you would acknowledge Growth in him) and there is a HUGE difference between "concern" and "obsession", continuing to complain incessantly about something non stop for over a year, isn't a concern, it's an obsession. Claiming knowing an injury is just a matter of time, is indeed a "fire" claim, and is in no way a substantiable claim Anthony. Plenty of QB's have been injured behind stellar lines, it isn't solely the realm of poor pass blocking lines.

This is what the Seahawks have to work with, I would recommend you all get familiar with it, and learn to cope.

Dude I have not complained at all since the SB till now, and I am not complaining now either, I am making a statement of fact the o-line is a concern, If you were not so hell bent on making us think we do not have a right to be concerned this would die down, but you will not. You act like we do not have the right to be concerned about an o-line that for 3+ years has ben bad. Guess what we have a right to be concerned until the fix it. As to the whole injury thing dude it is not a fire anything when a guy consistently gets injured it is a concern, period. Also no one is saying QBs cannot be injured behind a stellar olines but the odds go way up when your o-line is as bad as ours have been. You know right now you are just being very belittling, and hard headed, trying to tell me I do not have the right to be concerned, and a right to voice it is just plain crap, and some of the stuff you are saying is just plain wrong. The only one obsessing here is you. We are just being concerned, something anyone with a brain who has watched our o-line over the last 3+ years would be.

Let me some it up, DO NOT TELL ME I DO NOT HAVE THE RIGH TO BE CONCERENED, THE PLAY OF THE O-LINE OVER THE LAST 3 YEARS SHOWS WHY I SHOLD BE. yes I meant for it to be in caps, I do not like being told what I can or cannot think, especially when they have been so bad for years.

CHRIST, I did NOT tell you what to think or do and will now say for the FOURTH time on this thread ( not to mention hundreds of times on numerous other threads with the SAME stupid topic) that the line also "concerns" me, what I AM saying is that UNTIL we actually SEE the starting unit on the FIELD there should be a little REALISM and actual THOUGHT involved, as opposed to BLIND panic and fear. Your not just "being concerned" your banging the same damn drum with random thoughts and claimclaims that either are not true ( ie the "worst" line in the league which it isn't) or they are worthless ( which again they aren't) or some other random claim that they haven't been "fixing" the line, mixed in with a smattering of they don't pick players except for late round projects or some other such foolishness ( not you but others).

I've said NUMEROUS times I want the line improved, HOWEVER I don't KNOW anymore than ANYONE else on this board ( INCLUDING YOU) whether the moves they have made will DO SO as they HAVEN'T been on the damn field. The ONLY thing I keep pointing out is, UNTIL we see them play and function as a UNIT there is NO WAY to fricken KNOW, I could give a rats ass what they did last year ( with multiple missed starts, nagging injuries for the entire season with 3 of the 5 fill in lineman gone) I could care even LESS about two years ago, and less than that three years ago. WHAT I CARE about is the FUTURE, and what they can do THIS year, and I'm personally going to give them that chance. Be my guest living in seasons past, feel and think and "care" about whatever the hell it is that you WANT, I do NOT care.

But I'm not going to pretend like YOUR opinion is the ONLY one out there, and I'm NOT going to come onto a board professing injuries, or horrid play simply to draw attention to my concerns, or opinions. By all means, fret, worry, work those nails to the bones if that is your hearts desire, I'll just continue to ENJOY this football team, and look FORWARD to future success, and cope with what is IN front of them.

AND YES Anthony, "when Wilson gets hurt" is a "fire" statement, as he HASN'T been consistently hurt, and ANY QB can indeed be hurt on every snap, no matter the ability in pass protection. Saying it is unquantifiable and simply a fear of yours, nothing more.

It may have been a concern for three years, but obviously they aren't just standing pat, they continue to sign and draft lineman right? So obviously they are attempting to upgrade it. This whole this guy or that guy fixes everything thought process is silly, time, health, familiarity with each other and the QB, timing ALL play into good line play, and as of yet, there has been a dearth of a lot of those elements. It TAKES time, and while everyone here wants it fixed RIGHT NOW, RIGHT NOW, I just realise it does NOT work that way, if that offends you, so be it, but I'm not in the habit of just pretending to worry and freak out over things beyond my control.

I never said they were just standing around, all I said it has been a concern for 3+ yeas, you said they have been addressing it, I said it is not working, Pretty simple. As to you not worrying about things out of your control good for you, but for a guy who doe snot worry about things out of their control you sure to obsess about anyone else even daring to be concerned about it.

Let me remind you, my first comment about the o-line in this thread was this "Kind of agree, I have been worried about the o-line for over a year, and did not see any moves that made me feel better. Its just the first game but they looked bad. If they do not improve our QB will get crushed."

You went on to post 9 comments before I said another thing, everyone of your comments jumping on anyone who dared to say the o-line was a concern. So who is being obsessive.

When it comes right down to it we have a right to be concerned when their is a weakness on the team that has been there for 3+ years. That does not mean I am not optimistic about this year, but until they show it, it is a concern.

[HumanCockroach]

LOL, so I responded to others, and that means I'm "obsessing" might I remind you who it was continuing the discussion between you and I, wasn't me Anthony, you picked to respond to posts I made to OTHER posters, and I responded to your posts in kind. Not going to feel bad about that. I didn't see anyone else doing a drive by posting stating their opinion and then bailing out of the discussion, so I'm not going to feel bad for addressing multiple posters on the same topic.

If you read my posts from beginning to end, the only thing I have been saying is to at least wait until you see the actuall starting unit on the field before jumping to conclusions, or worrying to much about it, I've NEVER said in ANY post that concerns are unwarranted, or not to do it.There is certainly a difference between taking a reasonable approach to an unknown ( which is exactly what we are discussing now, as players, health and experience has changed across the board) and fretting over something, that ultimately is beyond anyone here's control.

I want improvement as much as anyone else on this board, and I EXPECT improvement in regards to pass blocking, but unlike many, I'm not going to JUDGE something sight unseen, and I don't feel that is unreasonable in the LEAST and I simply won't apologise for taking that approach.

[HumanCockroach]

No, "they" did not just play a game, their backups, and their backups, backups just played a game. Sweezy started, 1 of 5 does NOT teach us anything. Not playing Carpenter, Okung, Unger you can claim Britts a starter, but hinging all progress on a rookie playing his first NFL game seems like a HUGE stretch to me.

Dude last I checked RW is not a back up, and the o-line sucked., until the prove they have made some improvements they are a concern period.

And here I thought we were discussing line play, not whether the QB was the starter. LMAO

[Anthony]

No, "they" did not just play a game, their backups, and their backups, backups just played a game. Sweezy started, 1 of 5 does NOT teach us anything. Not playing Carpenter, Okung, Unger you can claim Britts a starter, but hinging all progress on a rookie playing his first NFL game seems like a HUGE stretch to me.

Dude last I checked RW is not a back up, and the o-line sucked., until the prove they have made some improvements they are a concern period.

And here I thought we were discussing line play, not whether the QB was the starter. LMAO

Nice try you said " "they" did not just play a game, their backups, and their backups, backups just played a game." I and made it clear it was not just back ups nice try, the fact still stand as of now the o-line is a concern and rightfully so, until they prove they do not have to be a concern, is the first games case it was more about injury concerns but it is still a concern.

[Anthony]

LOL, so I responded to others, and that means I'm "obsessing" might I remind you who it was continuing the discussion between you and I, wasn't me Anthony, you picked to respond to posts I made to OTHER posters, and I responded to your posts in kind. Not going to feel bad about that. I didn't see anyone else doing a drive by posting stating their opinion and then bailing out of the discussion, so I'm not going to feel bad for addressing multiple posters on the same topic.

If you read my posts from beginning to end, the only thing I have been saying is to at least wait until you see the actuall starting unit on the field before jumping to conclusions, or worrying to much about it, I've NEVER said in ANY post that concerns are unwarranted, or not to do it.There is certainly a difference between taking a reasonable approach to an unknown ( which is exactly what we are discussing now, as players, health and experience has changed across the board) and fretting over something, that ultimately is beyond anyone here's control.

I want improvement as much as anyone else on this board, and I EXPECT improvement in regards to pass blocking, but unlike many, I'm not going to JUDGE something sight unseen, and I don't feel that is unreasonable in the LEAST and I simply won't apologise for taking that approach.

Yes because you responded to others trying to tell us not to be concerned, that is obsessing. Here is an idea, why not just do what I tried to do, state your case about why you are not concerned and why we should not be and leave it go, I tried to do that till you would not let it go, so now neither am I,. the o-line is a concern, and will be till they prove they can get the job done, period.

You know normally you and I agree on most everything, but with this you are so hardheaded, that it is really frustrating.

I am fine with your approach and once again I will repost my original post before you got all hard headed on me

"Kind of agree, I have been worried about the o-line for over a year, and did not see any moves that made me feel better. Its just the first game but they looked bad. If they do not improve our QB will get crushed."

Notice the part were I said its just the first game.

The reality is if you would just allow us to be concerned instead of trying to tell us we should not be this would not have escalated the way it has.

Your first post was explaining why they are not our Achilles heal which means weakness

your 2nd post about the o-lien as we agreed about Michaels, you explained how until you see the whole unit you are not going to worry Paraphrased hear

your 3rd post was making excuses for the o-line play

now 6 more post of excuses, and why we should not be concerned later my 2nd post on the o-line were I say I Agree with your sentiment but is it not to much to ask for some improvement and I show how bad they have been

Your response you agreed it is not to much to ask but again excuses for the o-line and telling me I had to wait something I already eluded to

My response to you is to remind you it has been a 3+year problem. And in there lies the big issue, you want us to continue to wait, but after 3+ years the waiting game is old. The excuses is old, the injuries is old. And that is what you need to understand and stop trying to convince us this year is different and we need to wait. We have no choice but to wait, but we also have concerns and rightfully so, and nothing you are saying changes that other than to frustrate us because you continue to make it clear we have no right to be concerned, guess what we do.

I hope you are right and they are great this year, but until they prove it they are a huge Concern and the biggest weakness on this team.

[HumanCockroach]

Please show me where I said to not be concerned. I NEVER said don't be concerned, I said to WAIT until you see the players on the field before freaking out about it. BIG DIFFERENCE. The starting line was NOT on the field. I swear sometimes it's like talking to my son, you can say something a 1,000 times 1,000 different ways, and somehow, they still don't hear. Be my guest, be concerned, be downright petrified for all I care, just stop saying that the line you saw in Denver is the same one we'll see week one against GB.

( let it drop, I am NOT going to agree with panic over something I haven't seen though now with this post I will have said FIVE times I am "concerned" about the line play, though I used different words, I HAVE indeed expressed the same "caring" about the topic, just simply do NOT agree with over emphasising something that is yet to be seen, and you are not going to agree that I shouldn't be panicking over it Now, and should have been for three years. We Anthony are at an impasse, and that simply isn't going to change).

[HumanCockroach]

Sorry,What did I try? We were discussing the offensive line for this entire thread, I assumed you would understand that when I said "they" I was referring to those being discussed in the thread I appologize if I needed to refer to the five starting lineman by name.

[Anthony]

Please show me where I said to not be concerned. I NEVER said don't be concerned, I said to WAIT until you see the players on the field before freaking out about it. BIG DIFFERENCE. The starting line was NOT on the field. I swear sometimes it's like talking to my son, you can say something a 1,000 times 1,000 different ways, and somehow, they still don't hear. Be my guest, be concerned, be downright petrified for all I care, just stop saying that the line you saw in Denver is the same one we'll see week one against GB.

( let it drop, I am NOT going to agree with panic over something I haven't seen though now with this post I will have said FIVE times I am "concerned" about the line play, though I used different words, I HAVE indeed expressed the same "caring" about the topic, just simply do NOT agree with over emphasising something that is yet to be seen, and you are not going to agree that I shouldn't be panicking over it Now, and should have been for three years. We Anthony are at an impasse, and that simply isn't going to change).

And again you miss the point our o-lien has been bad for 3+ years, we started this preseaosn with injuries already, hence the concern, for you to say do not be worried till we see the starting o-lien means little since we have no way of knowing the starting o-line will do significantly better than the starting o-line of the last 3 + years. We have a right to be concerned and at first that is all it was, but your insistence that we should note turned it into more. I even through an olive branch and you did not take it, so I will try one more time. The o-lien is a concern, has been for 3+ years, hopefully it will improve we will have to see.

[jshawaii22]

Anthony, so what exactly would constitute an "improvement" enough to make you happy (or less unhappy) ?

And in which areas would they be overall required to get to that point?

How many less sacks? How many more rushing yards? How many less penalties? How many more passing yards, or is it in the pocket vs. scrambling?

Trying to follow the thread and understand your point, It seems that one of the issues with this thread is that the definition of 'improved' has never been defined. Will you only be happy if our OLine is the second coming of 2005? I'm on the edge. I think we showed a lot of improvement in the 2nd half of last year, but still were #31. We must of been really bad in the first half. And we won almost every game.

js

[Anthony]

Anthony, so what exactly would constitute an "improvement" enough to make you happy (or less unhappy) ?

And in which areas would they be overall required to get to that point?

How many less sacks? How many more rushing yards? How many less penalties? How many more passing yards, or is it in the pocket vs. scrambling?

Trying to follow the thread and understand your point, It seems that one of the issues with this thread is that the definition of 'improved' has never been defined. Will you only be happy if our OLine is the second coming of 2005? I'm on the edge. I think we showed a lot of improvement in the 2nd half of last year, but still were #31. We must of been really bad in the first half. And we won almost every game.

js

Actually if you followed the thread then you would know what my definition is, but I will tell you again

"I can agree with your sentiment but is it to much to ask for some improvement

2011 Run ranking 19 Pass ranking 24
2012 run ranking 4 pass 20th
2013 run ranking 9th pass 32

I mean run blocking we got better at, pass blocking we got worse and at our best we were still in the bottom third of the league. Is it to much to ask for say 15th?"

You obviously did not read that, I also say just be avg that in itself is an improvement. Tells you a lot when being avg is considered good though doesn't it.

[jshawaii22]

No, I didn't read every post, omly the last page. I think everyone knows we have issues. I want to measure the improvment and I hope to have a baseline. Hopefully we will be talking about how much better we are this year in a couple of months.

js

[HumanCockroach]

hopefully it will improve we will have to see.[

Please show me where I said to not be concerned. I NEVER said don't be concerned, I said to WAIT until you see the players on the field before freaking out about it. BIG DIFFERENCE. The starting line was NOT on the field. I swear sometimes it's like talking to my son, you can say something a 1,000 times 1,000 different ways, and somehow, they still don't hear. Be my guest, be concerned, be downright petrified for all I care, just stop saying that the line you saw in Denver is the same one we'll see week one against GB.

( let it drop, I am NOT going to agree with panic over something I haven't seen though now with this post I will have said FIVE times I am "concerned" about the line play, though I used different words, I HAVE indeed expressed the same "caring" about the topic, just simply do NOT agree with over emphasising something that is yet to be seen, and you are not going to agree that I shouldn't be panicking over it Now, and should have been for three years. We Anthony are at an impasse, and that simply isn't going to change).

And again you miss the point our o-lien has been bad for 3+ years, we started this preseaosn with injuries already, hence the concern, for you to say do not be worried till we see the starting o-lien means little since we have no way of knowing the starting o-line will do significantly better than the starting o-line of the last 3 + years. We have a right to be concerned and at first that is all it was, but your insistence that we should note turned it into more. I even through an olive branch and you did not take it, so I will try one more time. The o-lien is a concern, has been for 3+ years, hopefully it will improve we will have to see.

:

I missed the point by directly responding to what your post was?

"hopefully it will improve we will have to see."

Which is the WHOLE point I have been repeating since the first post. Glad you caught it.

[NorthHawk]

To be fair about the stats, they are skewed down by the injuries last year.
I also think they are skewed up a little in the run aspect with Lynch breaking as many tackles as he does.

One of the things I have problems with is lack of depth at LT.
Okung has yet to play a whole season, yet last year at one point they had to try McQ at LT.
Did they not have a plan - for a position that is key to the OL and protects the QB the most - they were so unprepared for Okung's injury that they had a borderline backup G playing LT?
What the hell were they thinking? Okung in 3 previous years had not played an entire year, yet they were completely unprepared for him missing games.
I sure hope they have someone - maybe Bailey, but someone - specifically practicing at LT so when RO goes down there is a player that knows what's expected. I don't expect him to be as good a RO, but he should at least not be a turnstile and be prepared to play.