Not too impressed by Britt

[RiverDog]

I've only watched one half of the game, so admittedly I'm only looking at a postage sized snap shot. I concentrated on watching our new RT Justin Britt, and although he didn't look like a revolving door, I feel he has a long ways to go if he wants to lock up a starting job IMO.

He got beat twice, once inside...although it looks like there might have been a communication problem between him and the guard...and he got beat on the edge, not getting out quick enough to cause the DE to take himself out of the play. He also lost his balance and almost got shoved into Russell on one play. Welcome to the NFL, Justin Britt.

There wasn't a lot of running plays to his side, so I didn't get a good handle on how his run blocking was, but I do think he has some significant work to do on his pass blocking.

I'll watch some of the 2nd half tomorrow, perhaps get a look at Winston, but unless he plays really poorly, it's hard to imagine that he doesn't have an advantage over Britt.

What did you guys see?

[NorthHawk]

I don't expect him to be solid in his first few experiences against opposing #1's.
Even Walter Jones had trouble the first time out. By no means am I comparing Britt to Jones, but it's an awful big step to go against a very good player and DL in your first game.
I think we have to see if he gets better next game, and so forth before we can make any sort of judgement.
Personally, I was expecting to see a number of mistakes from him and the others as they get to know the plays, responsibilities, as well as their new line mates.
Whether they improve or not is the key.

[jshawaii22]

RD, It was hard to watch any of the OLine with 4 starters out... it just always seem to look the same, but on the flip side... what did you think about our new FA Middle LB, Brock Coyle? He looks like Lofa and did a good job starting in the middle. Didn't seem intimidated at all.

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[savvyman]

Offensive Tackle might be the toughest position for a rookie to come in and do well?

Even the #1 Offensive Lineman Pick in the recent draft - and a for sure future all pro and hall of famer - graded poorly in his first game on Friday night.

Greg Robinson - There are going to be growing pains and he looked lost on a stunt early in the game that could have gotten the QB killed.


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[HumanCockroach]

Britt showed flashes, but as with any rookie tackle ( and to be fair guard) it is expected that guys like Ware will make him look bad from time to time, we'll see how he learns and progresses moving forward. On a side note, did anyone even notice the two new OL the Seahawks picked up in the last week play? I was focussed on specific guys ( Like Richardson, Jefferson, Michaels etc) and may have completely missed their performance, if they even got on the field?????

[Bird Droppings]

Winston and Wade Smith both got some action.

I believe Smith played both left and right guard. Seemed to have slow feet. He got beat outside at least once, but also seems difficult to move. The fact that Unger was out might have compromised his action ... or ... it could be ... that's why he was available.

Winston didn't move much on some of those Pryor roll outs, but at least one of those might have been a broken play.

Denver really worked on the Hawks right side throughout the game.

Then, again, I didn't see Ware or Small getting to the second level effectively.

Too hard to evaluate either new OL until they go against number ones.

And my eye as provided by tv cameras is getting too slow getting to my brain, which has trouble keeping up with all those numbers anyway.

And, Dog, d coordinators are going to go after Britt until he stops them.

That reads, to me, that Winston will be the starter against the Pack with this limited early sample

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[RiverDog]

Winston and Wade Smith both got some action.

I believe Smith played both left and right guard. Seemed to have slow feet. He got beat outside at least once, but also seems difficult to move. The fact that Unger was out might have compromised his action ... or ... it could be ... that's why he was available.

Winston didn't move much on some of those Pryor roll outs, but at least one of those might have been a broken play.

Denver really worked on the Hawks right side throughout the game.

Then, again, I didn't see Ware or Small getting to the second level effectively.

Too hard to evaluate either new OL until they go against number ones.

And my eye as provided by tv cameras is getting too slow getting to my brain, which has trouble keeping up with all those numbers anyway. Pete would be well advised to go with the older and more experienced Winston, again noting that I haven't seen Winston yet.

And, Dog, d coordinators are going to go after Britt until he stops them.

That reads, to me, that Winston will be the starter against the Pack with this limited early sample

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I think so, too. I haven't seen Winston yet, but it is apparent to me, with this very small sampling, that Britt isn't an upgrade over Breno, at least not yet. Not that I expected him to. IMO we still have some big time problems, or rather challenges, along the OL.

[Irish Greg 2.0]

He looked like a rookie playing in his first NFL game lol.

I think we are in for another year of Wilson running for his life.

[Hawktawk]

He looked like a rookie playing in his first NFL game lol.

I think we are in for another year of Wilson running for his life.

Thank goodness hes so great doing it!!!!

[HumanCockroach]

Hopefully if that is the case Seattle does what it should do, and implement quick passes to Harvin and Richardson, and Wilson hits them quick ( which is the fastest way to relieve pressure any way, and should be a big part of the game plan from the first snap)

[RiverDog]

He (Britt) looked like a rookie playing in his first NFL game lol.

I think we are in for another year of Wilson running for his life.

That he did. Not as bad as Carpenter's first game, but not good enough to think that he's on pace to nail down the starting RT job.

I'm a little worried that the success some teams had against us in stacking the box, taking away our run game, and making Russell beat them one-on-one becomes a blue print on how to stop the Seahawk's O. Hopefully Harvin and Richardson can loosen things up.

[Anthony]

He (Britt) looked like a rookie playing in his first NFL game lol.

I think we are in for another year of Wilson running for his life.

That he did. Not as bad as Carpenter's first game, but not good enough to think that he's on pace to nail down the starting RT job.

I'm a little worried that the success some teams had against us in stacking the box, taking away our run game, and making Russell beat them one-on-one becomes a blue print on how to stop the Seahawk's O. Hopefully Harvin and Richardson can loosen things up.

Agreed the reality is we did not have Wr that could consistently beat their man 1 on 1, and add to that very times did RW have a check down. Hopefully that will change, some of that can change due to Harvin and Richardson, some can change but adding pick plays, and patterns that help our WR get open.

[NorthHawk]

There was a stat provided earlier in the year that 75% of the sacks given up were against a 4 man rush.
If this is true and continues, it means the quick passes that have been floated as a good tactic could become ineffective as the Defenses could cheat forward to both eliminate or minimize the effectiveness of the quick pass or stuff the run. Without having to blitz, 7 Defensive players are there to attack the ball.

[HumanCockroach]

There was a stat provided earlier in the year that 75% of the sacks given up were against a 4 man rush.
If this is true and continues, it means the quick passes that have been floated as a good tactic could become ineffective as the Defenses could cheat forward to both eliminate or minimize the effectiveness of the quick pass or stuff the run. Without having to blitz, 7 Defensive players are there to attack the ball.

True, but having a couple guys that can run by all 7 in a breath can't hurt in the least. I'm really not sure if people truly appreciate the speed and acceleration that Harvin ( and now Richardson ) bring. Literally, a missed angle or two, results in huge gains or points, it puts pressure on the defense, that never leaves, eventually, Harvin is going to torch a defense, you really can only "hope to limit the damage" as opposed to just shut him down, he is that type of player. The more Skill players on that offense, the more difficult it becomes. Hell they can add delayed draws to great effect as well ( fake a quick WR screen, those 7 will bite, hand to Lynch up th. In the middle with only four in the box etc) there is a LOT that can be done with that type of speed to threaten a defenses exterior. We ain't seen nothing yet, that SB was just an apetizer.

[NorthHawk]

There was a stat provided earlier in the year that 75% of the sacks given up were against a 4 man rush.
If this is true and continues, it means the quick passes that have been floated as a good tactic could become ineffective as the Defenses could cheat forward to both eliminate or minimize the effectiveness of the quick pass or stuff the run. Without having to blitz, 7 Defensive players are there to attack the ball.

True, but having a couple guys that can run by all 7 in a breath can't hurt in the least. I'm really not sure if people truly appreciate the speed and acceleration that Harvin ( and now Richardson ) bring. Literally, a missed angle or two, results in huge gains or points, it puts pressure on the defense, that never leaves, eventually, Harvin is going to torch a defense, you really can only "hope to limit the damage" as opposed to just shut him down, he is that type of player. The more Skill players on that offense, the more difficult it becomes. Hell they can add delayed draws to great effect as well ( fake a quick WR screen, those 7 will bite, hand to Lynch up th. In the middle with only four in the box etc) there is a LOT that can be done with that type of speed to threaten a defenses exterior. We ain't seen nothing yet, that SB was just an apetizer.

It would be a fairly low percentage play to throw it up and hope one of the WRs got off the line cleanly. It's not a dependable way to run an Offense.

[HumanCockroach]

I'm not talking about a fly? I'm sorry was I unclear? I meant quick throws, receiver bubble screens etc. Harvin has made a career of simply out running groups of defenders, he doesn't need get down field to score, he can do it every single time he touches the ball, and it can happen within a yard of the line of scrimmage. He rally is that damn fast. One bad angle from a defender , and *poof* no more Harvin.

[Futureite]

I'm not talking about a fly? I'm sorry was I unclear? I meant quick throws, receiver bubble screens etc. Harvin has made a career of simply out running groups of defenders, he doesn't need get down field to score, he can do it every single time he touches the ball, and it can happen within a yard of the line of scrimmage. He rally is that damn fast. One bad angle from a defender , and *poof* no more Harvin.

I agree Harvin is an explosive, big play receiver. But I also agree with most others here that bubble screens and slants cannot be the bread and butter of an O in the NFL. The Eagles did this a lot with Desean Jackson and now Chip Kelly with some success, but it's not the heart of what they do. It works to an extent but as others pointed out there is too much traffic, and LBs at this level cover too much space for that to be a consistent staple of the O. I can honestly remember the exact game when D coordinators effectively eliminated the slants from the 49ers playbook, even though we had notched big plays ofc of them for yrs.

[NorthHawk]

I'm not talking about a fly? I'm sorry was I unclear? I meant quick throws, receiver bubble screens etc. Harvin has made a career of simply out running groups of defenders, he doesn't need get down field to score, he can do it every single time he touches the ball, and it can happen within a yard of the line of scrimmage. He rally is that damn fast. One bad angle from a defender , and *poof* no more Harvin.

I agree Harvin is an explosive, big play receiver. But I also agree with most others here that bubble screens and slants cannot be the bread and butter of an O in the NFL. The Eagles did this a lot with Desean Jackson and now Chip Kelly with some success, but it's not the heart of what they do. It works to an extent but as others pointed out there is too much traffic, and LBs at this level cover too much space for that to be a consistent staple of the O. I can honestly remember the exact game when D coordinators effectively eliminated the slants from the 49ers playbook, even though we had notched big plays ofc of them for yrs.

Thanks, that's what I was trying to get at. Making the pass game largely one dimensional isn't a good game plan.

[HumanCockroach]

Please don't misunderstand, I was NOT saying their entire passing offense should revolve around that, my point was, plays and players like that slow the pass rush, because it spreads the defense. That's all.

[Futureite]

I'm not talking about a fly? I'm sorry was I unclear? I meant quick throws, receiver bubble screens etc. Harvin has made a career of simply out running groups of defenders, he doesn't need get down field to score, he can do it every single time he touches the ball, and it can happen within a yard of the line of scrimmage. He rally is that damn fast. One bad angle from a defender , and *poof* no more Harvin.

I agree Harvin is an explosive, big play receiver. But I also agree with most others here that bubble screens and slants cannot be the bread and butter of an O in the NFL. The Eagles did this a lot with Desean Jackson and now Chip Kelly with some success, but it's not the heart of what they do. It works to an extent but as others pointed out there is too much traffic, and LBs at this level cover too much space for that to be a consistent staple of the O. I can honestly remember the exact game when D coordinators effectively eliminated the slants from the 49ers playbook, even though we had notched big plays ofc of them for yrs.

Thanks, that's what I was trying to get at. Making the pass game largely one dimensional isn't a good game plan.

That said, my biggest fear as a Niner fan is Harvin or Richardson doing exactly what HC posted. If Harvin gets any space he can do big damage.

[HumanCockroach]

Yes sir, and I expect that to be quite honest. I'm only trying to express how a player like Harvin helps on so many different levels as to not be dismissed. Having him on the field healthy, improves the offense across the board, from pass blocking, to running the football, passing game you name it.

[Futureite]

Yes sir, and I expect that to be quite honest. I'm only trying to express how a player like Harvin helps on so many different levels as to not be dismissed. Having him on the field healthy, improves the offense across the board, from pass blocking, to running the football, passing game you name it.

Ya I agree. He changes the entire complexion of the game. You can hold a team down for a while, but with a D as good as Seattle's one play by Harvin can get them right back in a game. Or help them pull away. There is a lot of speed right now in Seattle's skill positions.

[RiverDog]

It's a good thing that we have a quarterback that is adaptable to numerous different offenses. It's not necessarily the end of the season if our offensive line doesn't progress and do a better job of pass protection. There are other ways of beating a pass rush besides providing the QB 5-7 seconds of uncontested protection, especially when you have a couple of farts in a skillet like we have with Harvin and Richardson.

We have a game coming up tomorrow night with the Chargers. The San Diego defense doesn't have a real daunting pass rush, ranking 23rd in sacks and without a player ranked in the top 60 pass rushers. Playing at home, you'd think that guys like Britt could offer a little more protection than he did against the Broncos. It will be an interesting side show considering that the main attraction isn't worth two hoots in hell.

[HumanCockroach]

Sign me up for the line that provides 5-7 seconds to distribute the ball, but since that has never been realistic, I'm all for a mixture of plays to slow that rush. Wouldn't mind seeing a few more delayed handoffs or middle screens either to be honest. Maybe they don't feel that is something that Lynch excels at, but it is something I've mentioned from time to time over the last couple years.Seems to me, that using a defenses aggressive nature might be a nice wrinkle to add within this division. Maybe that doesn't coincide with the tough pound them philosophy or something, but it seems pretty rare that they use it.