Harvin hurt again?

[HumanCockroach]

I think there is nothing wrong with what either RD or Future have posted ( and yes I read all three links RD) but it really does seem to me, that some are piecing together a puzzle with tidbits of information, and claiming a finished conclusion based mostly on an emotional player in Minnesota that WANTED to WIN and argued with the coaches ( did everyone forget Lynch flipping off Bevel last year already?) And a admitted "lost control of his program" coaching situation in college, and an unsubstantiated claim of some issue in HS.

Maybe it blows up in Carrolls face, but to date, I've heard nothing from a teammate to make me believe this guy has issues in the locker room, on the field of play. Maybe he is a character issue, I haven't a clue as I'm not there witnessing it, but it seems like there is a whole lot of "sources" which don't include those involved, those around or anyone willing to put his name on it. Supossedly according to "multiple sources" there is a whole lot of players with this issue or that, that simply never come to fruition, and I just don't trust the media, who is looking for "news" but really is searching for big names to attract veiwers.

I don't have any issues with people questioning his character at this point, seems like there is enough to do so, just to my eye, it doesn't seem that it is nearly as severe as some are making it out to be. Is he practicing fully when on the field? Yes. Has he had issues with the staff? No, has he fought with teammates? Nope. Has he been in trouble with the law ? Nada, has he moaned to the press? Nope. Maybe he had them and turned over a new leaf, maybe he hated losing and it got the better of him, maybe it's the anniversary period, I simply don't know, but it seems like maybe those that want to believe, create a persona and stick with it, good or bad.That includes fans, media and staffs.

[RiverDog]

I think there is nothing wrong with what either RD or Future have posted ( and yes I read all three links RD) but it really does seem to me, that some are piecing together a puzzle with tidbits of information, and claiming a finished conclusion based mostly on an emotional player in Minnesota that WANTED to WIN and argued with the coaches ( did everyone forget Lynch flipping off Bevel last year already?) And a admitted "lost control of his program" coaching situation in college, and an unsubstantiated claim of some issue in HS.

Maybe it blows up in Carrolls face, but to date, I've heard nothing from a teammate to make me believe this guy has issues in the locker room, on the field of play. Maybe he is a character issue, I haven't a clue as I'm not there witnessing it, but it seems like there is a whole lot of "sources" which don't include those involved, those around or anyone willing to put his name on it. Supossedly according to "multiple sources" there is a whole lot of players with this issue or that, that simply never come to fruition, and I just don't trust the media, who is looking for "news" but really is searching for big names to attract veiwers.

I don't have any issues with people questioning his character at this point, seems like there is enough to do so, just to my eye, it doesn't seem that it is nearly as severe as some are making it out to be. Is he practicing fully when on the field? Yes. Has he had issues with the staff? No, has he fought with teammates? Nope. Has he been in trouble with the law ? Nada, has he moaned to the press? Nope. Maybe he had them and turned over a new leaf, maybe he hated losing and it got the better of him, maybe it's the anniversary period, I simply don't know, but it seems like maybe those that want to believe, create a persona and stick with it, good or bad.That includes fans, media and staffs.

Wow, HC. I was going through a whole lot of anxiety, thinking that you were going to launch into me again. Thanks for granting me my opinion.

I do want to point out that Harvin wasn't with the team for the majority of last season, at least not an active participant, so it's hard to tell if he would or would not have had any issues with staff or players (I could care less if he had issues with the press). Don't forget that he did have a run-in with the law, was arrested for DUI and later released without being charged. And let's not forget those mysterious set of circumstances where Pete was that close to putting him on IR for the balance of the season when just hours later, Harvin was going full speed in a workout, something that was never fully explained. I'm not trying to forecast gloom and doom, but there are still storm clouds out there that justifies a concern.

The whole key is to keep winning. Winning cures a lot of evils, losing brings out the worst in players. Everyone's happy when we win. The real test will be when, or rather if, we hit a slump, lose a couple of games, etc. Hopefully we won't have to find out.

[HumanCockroach]

Can we skip the dispute about what "trouble with law" is here? Not interested in rehashing that. You can feel however you want, and there isn't a time where I have told you what your opinion should be, just because mine is different, and I'll defend mine as stringently as yours, doesn't mean I'm telling anyone what to think.

[RiverDog]

Can we skip the dispute about what "trouble with law" is here? Not interested in rehashing that. You can feel however you want, and there isn't a time where I have told you what your opinion should be, just because mine is different, and I'll defend mine as stringently as yours, doesn't mean I'm telling anyone what to think.

I have no interest in re-kindling old arguments, either. I am simply stating that there are a number of reasons for a rational person to express concerns about Percy Harvin's character and if it will have a bearing on our team, and I was using that incident as one of them, along with the others I've cited.

[HumanCockroach]

Fair enough, I don't agree with it, but you're certainly welcome to that opinion

[political football]

Harvin is doing well in this SD game. So lets just wait til the game is over to give the final word on him. I think the Seahawks know what they are doing now. Please I want to see Harvins game with this offense before I talk any trash about this fine WR we have.

[Futureite]

I view Harvin the same way I viewed Randy Moss when he came here. Neither is going to be a problem if the team wins. Like I did with Moss, I am sure a lot of you are embracing Harvin. Moss practiced hard, mentored younger players, and was very ingratiating to the media. But when the SB rolled around the same old Randy came out. Dissed Jerry Rice and then alligator armed a pass that got picked. That's just who he is, regardless of the explanations.

Harvin is pretty much has the exact same personality/motivation issues surrounding him. And he will always have x number of fans and teammates that refute everything, recount his work ethic, etc. And no, I am not referencing anyone here (I haven't even read most of the posts). These type of guys are usually not a problem until a team loses. Which is why I do not think Harvin will be a problem for you guys.

[RiverDog]

I view Harvin the same way I viewed Randy Moss when he came here. Neither is going to be a problem if the team wins. Like I did with Moss, I am sure a lot of you are embracing Harvin. Moss practiced hard, mentored younger players, and was very ingratiating to the media. But when the SB rolled around the same old Randy came out. Dissed Jerry Rice and then alligator armed a pass that got picked. That's just who he is, regardless of the explanations.

Harvin is pretty much has the exact same personality/motivation issues surrounding him. And he will always have x number of fans and teammates that refute everything, recount his work ethic, etc. And no, I am not referencing anyone here (I haven't even read most of the posts). These type of guys are usually not a problem until a team loses. Which is why I do not think Harvin will be a problem for you guys.

One of the things about Moss that is different from Harvin is that Moss loafed, openly said he only played when he wanted to play. Even when his team was winning, Moss didn't play hard on every down. I don't see that in Harvin. From what I can determine, Harvin has two speeds, high and off. Unlike Moss, there isn't a medium or simmer on Harvin's stove.

We don't know how Harvin will handle adversity as he hasn't really been tested, at least not with us. All I was saying is that it's easy to be a great teammate and be highly motivated when the team is winning. That is not to suggest that Harvin is going to be a problem if we hit a rough spot or two.

[HumanCockroach]

I don't know how Harvin will react to losing, but it seems to me, there is a whole lot of guys on this team that expect to win, win often and won't accept losing graceously ( at least in regards to a lot of losing) so I'm not sure that that attitude is in any way a negative on this team. No one, whether it be the star receiver or the third string LB on special teams accepts anything less than excellence, and IMHO this is what drives this team. Personally, I welcome that attitude and belief, if it blows up, so be it, but personally, I don't want that attitude to change in the slightest, and Harvin to me at least, epitomizes the winning, competitive attitude Caroll and co are fostering here...

[political football]

I don't know how Harvin will react to losing, but it seems to me, there is a whole lot of guys on this team that expect to win, win often and won't accept losing graceously ( at least in regards to a lot of losing) so I'm not sure that that attitude is in any way a negative on this team. No one, whether it be the star receiver or the third string LB on special teams accepts anything less than excellence, and IMHO this is what drives this team. Personally, I welcome that attitude and belief, if it blows up, so be it, but personally, I don't want that attitude to change in the slightest, and Harvin to me at least, epitomizes the winning, competitive attitude Caroll and co are fostering here...

Bigger faster stronger good philosephy Pete Carroll has. Also his always compete belief changed the course of history for this team, didn't it ? I have no comomplaints now not is the least. We are doing great. Bring on the Bears.

[Futureite]

I view Harvin the same way I viewed Randy Moss when he came here. Neither is going to be a problem if the team wins. Like I did with Moss, I am sure a lot of you are embracing Harvin. Moss practiced hard, mentored younger players, and was very ingratiating to the media. But when the SB rolled around the same old Randy came out. Dissed Jerry Rice and then alligator armed a pass that got picked. That's just who he is, regardless of the explanations.

Harvin is pretty much has the exact same personality/motivation issues surrounding him. And he will always have x number of fans and teammates that refute everything, recount his work ethic, etc. And no, I am not referencing anyone here (I haven't even read most of the posts). These type of guys are usually not a problem until a team loses. Which is why I do not think Harvin will be a problem for you guys.

One of the things about Moss that is different from Harvin is that Moss loafed, openly said he only played when he wanted to play. Even when his team was winning, Moss didn't play hard on every down. I don't see that in Harvin. From what I can determine, Harvin has two speeds, high and off. Unlike Moss, there isn't a medium or simmer on Harvin's stove.

We don't know how Harvin will handle adversity as he hasn't really been tested, at least not with us. All I was saying is that it's easy to be a great teammate and be highly motivated when the team is winning. That is not to suggest that Harvin is going to be a problem if we hit a rough spot or two.

You could be right, but I did read a recount that while at U if F he basically quit during conditioning drills, said he wasn't doing them, and Urban Meyer catered to him. There was also a story abiut him attempting to choke a coach. Are those reports true? Who knows, honestly. But I do think if not in the ideal situation, he is a guy that may either quit or blow up. Was it him and Tice that literally almost got physical? To me, those terms are one in the same.

I am not here to dump on the guy though. We all know some people change and frankly I don't know enough about him to really post anything other than my impression based on what I have heard and read. And he's never said or done anything that mskes me dislike him. I think he'll make a lot of big plays this yr.

[Anthony]

I view Harvin the same way I viewed Randy Moss when he came here. Neither is going to be a problem if the team wins. Like I did with Moss, I am sure a lot of you are embracing Harvin. Moss practiced hard, mentored younger players, and was very ingratiating to the media. But when the SB rolled around the same old Randy came out. Dissed Jerry Rice and then alligator armed a pass that got picked. That's just who he is, regardless of the explanations.

Harvin is pretty much has the exact same personality/motivation issues surrounding him. And he will always have x number of fans and teammates that refute everything, recount his work ethic, etc. And no, I am not referencing anyone here (I haven't even read most of the posts). These type of guys are usually not a problem until a team loses. Which is why I do not think Harvin will be a problem for you guys.

One of the things about Moss that is different from Harvin is that Moss loafed, openly said he only played when he wanted to play. Even when his team was winning, Moss didn't play hard on every down. I don't see that in Harvin. From what I can determine, Harvin has two speeds, high and off. Unlike Moss, there isn't a medium or simmer on Harvin's stove.

We don't know how Harvin will handle adversity as he hasn't really been tested, at least not with us. All I was saying is that it's easy to be a great teammate and be highly motivated when the team is winning. That is not to suggest that Harvin is going to be a problem if we hit a rough spot or two.

You could be right, but I did read a recount that while at U if F he basically quit during conditioning drills, said he wasn't doing them, and Urban Meyer catered to him. There was also a story abiut him attempting to choke a coach. Are those reports true? Who knows, honestly. But I do think if not in the ideal situation, he is a guy that may either quit or blow up. Was it him and Tice that literally almost got physical? To me, those terms are one in the same.

I am not here to dump on the guy though. We all know some people change and frankly I don't know enough about him to really post anything other than my impression based on what I have heard and read. And he's never said or done anything that mskes me dislike him. I think he'll make a lot of big plays this yr.

and again no link, so until you find a link they like most of what you say are lies.