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[political football]

We are all watching Christine Michael our RB are really playing well the run game is fantastic with Pryor over 100 yards.

[political football]

Our run game is really on. We have Carpenter back at G so good blocking now for Wilson (God bless him). This is a welcome relief after the SB rematch with the Broncos. What a terrific showing by our QB.

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[Anthony]

We are all watching Christine Michael our RB are really playing well the run game is fantastic with Pryor over 100 yards.

But Pryor as a QB is


So lets see to date he is 10-20 50% complt, 147 yards, 1 int 0 tds, 49 qb rating and you think that is good? WOW , I mean that is horrible. Great he can run so can a lot of people, but as a QB he is bad.

[HumanCockroach]

There was some improvement from Pryor, he did what he does well which is run the ball. One of his passes was horrible, one was a throw away, one was dropped after a nice scramble while looking down field, and one was a completion, not sure how much can be gleaned from four passes in a pre season game, Wilson started last week 0-4 does that mean he was "horrible". He's a project QB that has shown improvement,at this point he was "exciting" , dudes got wheels, but there is no way I think he jumps Jackson.

[Anthony]

There was some improvement from Pryor, he did what he does well which is run the ball. One of his passes was horrible, one was a throw away, one was dropped after a nice scramble while looking down field, and one was a completion, not sure how much can be gleaned from four passes in a pre season game, Wilson started last week 0-4 does that mean he was "horrible". He's a project QB that has shown improvement,at this point he was "exciting" , dudes got wheels, but there is no way I think he jumps Jackson.

Tp is a one read, run first "QB". I am not sure he even jumps BJ as to Rw starting 0-4 true but Rw has shown he can come pout of that TP never has and again
10-20 50% complt, 147 yards, 1 int 0 tds, 49 qb


That is 20 passs attempts and not good a tall.

[HumanCockroach]

There was some improvement from Pryor, he did what he does well which is run the ball. One of his passes was horrible, one was a throw away, one was dropped after a nice scramble while looking down field, and one was a completion, not sure how much can be gleaned from four passes in a pre season game, Wilson started last week 0-4 does that mean he was "horrible". He's a project QB that has shown improvement,at this point he was "exciting" , dudes got wheels, but there is no way I think he jumps Jackson.

Tp is a one read, run first "QB". I am not sure he even jumps BJ as to Rw starting 0-4 true but Rw has shown he can come pout of that TP never has and again
10-20 50% complt, 147 yards, 1 int 0 tds, 49 qb


That is 20 passs attempts and not good a tall.

He's already jumped Daniels, as for the stats from this pre season eh, could care less. 20 Pass attempts simply isn't enough to judge a QB. Period. I never said I felt he was on, or the heir apparent backup ( in fact I said I don't see him jumping Jackson) but writing a QB off After 20 passes in pre season seems pretty silly to me. After all how many hundreds of reps did he get in training camp? The only thing that matters is what his position coach and Carroll think about his ability moving forward, not what any of us think based on a handful of passes. Far to much is being made, either way. He showed what he could do with his legs, and how much work he still has to do with his arm, neither of those can be completely ignored, but, nothing is set in stone one way or another based on a couple quarters in the pre season either.

I have confidence that this staff will make the right choice when the time comes.

[Anthony]

There was some improvement from Pryor, he did what he does well which is run the ball. One of his passes was horrible, one was a throw away, one was dropped after a nice scramble while looking down field, and one was a completion, not sure how much can be gleaned from four passes in a pre season game, Wilson started last week 0-4 does that mean he was "horrible". He's a project QB that has shown improvement,at this point he was "exciting" , dudes got wheels, but there is no way I think he jumps Jackson.

Tp is a one read, run first "QB". I am not sure he even jumps BJ as to Rw starting 0-4 true but Rw has shown he can come pout of that TP never has and again
10-20 50% complt, 147 yards, 1 int 0 tds, 49 qb


That is 20 passs attempts and not good a tall.

He's already jumped Daniels, as for the stats from this pre season eh, could care less. 20 Pass attempts simply isn't enough to judge a QB. Period. I never said I felt he was on, or the heir apparent backup ( in fact I said I don't see him jumping Jackson) but writing a QB off After 20 passes in pre season seems pretty silly to me. After all how many hundreds of reps did he get in training camp? The only thing that matters is what his position coach and Carroll think about his ability moving forward, not what any of us think based on a handful of passes. Far to much is being made, either way. He showed what he could do with his legs, and how much work he still has to do with his arm, neither of those can be completely ignored, but, nothing is set in stone one way or another based on a couple quarters in the pre season either.

I have confidence that this staff will make the right choice when the time comes.

IF all we had were the 20 passes I might agree but you have what he did last year, he is the same QB he was then, one read and then run and no looking down field while he runs, and I do not think he jumped Daniels at all. TO me he is an RB who can throw a little, he is not a QB and I hope to god we do not keep as one.

[HumanCockroach]

Not sure how you are coming to the conclusion that we have last year to use as judgement, he wasn't last I checked playing in Seattle. As for the one read / run thing, I'm not sure that is a fair assessment. In the four throws last night he scrambled on two while looking down field for a play, one turned into a throw away, and another was a huge gain on third down that was droppedby Heflet, obviously he indeed was looking down field, much the way Wilson does when scrambling, doesn't mean he is in the same stratosphere as Wilson in that regard, but it does show that he is indeed looking down field in those situations, even the poor decision at the end of the Denver game where he threw the pick was him scrambling while looking to throw the ball. Doesn't mean I want him as the backup, as I don't at this point, but jumping to the all he does is run thing is kind of a jump IMO at least based on what he has done here.

You keep saying Daniels is clearly ahead of him, and I'm not sure what or where you are getting that info, because at this time, he clearly is NOT ahead of Pryor, at least in the coaches eyes...

[Anthony]

Not sure how you are coming to the conclusion that we have last year to use as judgement, he wasn't last I checked playing in Seattle. As for the one read / run thing, I'm not sure that is a fair assessment. In the four throws last night he scrambled on two while looking down field for a play, one turned into a throw away, and another was a huge gain on third down that was droppedby Heflet, obviously he indeed was looking down field, much the way Wilson does when scrambling, doesn't mean he is in the same stratosphere as Wilson in that regard, but it does show that he is indeed looking down field in those situations, even the poor decision at the end of the Denver game where he threw the pick was him scrambling while looking to throw the ball. Doesn't mean I want him as the backup, as I don't at this point, but jumping to the all he does is run thing is kind of a jump IMO at least based on what he has done here.

You keep saying Daniels is clearly ahead of him, and I'm not sure what or where you are getting that info, because at this time, he clearly is NOT ahead of Pryor, at least in the coaches eyes...

There are some thing you can gleam from his time in Oakland, and the issue she had there are still here as well, only one read, run first , bad choices, lack of accuracy. That si what you saw in Oakland and guess what that is what you see here. HE is an RB who can throw not a QB.

[Anthony]

Personally, I have been impressed with all of the options. Jackson we know. He is probably better than we've seen, because he is smart and learning, and what we've seen is not bad. Pryor is a freak. Big, fast, athletic, inaccurate…..but to give him credit, he seems willing to learn and take his lumps. But, then, what about B J Daniels? He looked like a mini Russell against the Bolts.

In my view, the coaching staff has one of those tough decisions that you like to have. Four players that all could bring something to the table. Maybe Russell Wilson and the guy who can produce the best seafood buffet?

So far it is an easy choice, you do not need to carry a guy who is a project when you have 3 guys who are not. You got your starter in RW, you have your backup in TJ, YOU can still put BJ on the practice squad and call him up if need be, and save a roster spot you cannot do that with TP, and to be honest I would rather give that spot to someone we need than to a 3rd QB who is not even as good as the guy on the PS.

[HumanCockroach]

Not sure how you are coming to the conclusion that we have last year to use as judgement, he wasn't last I checked playing in Seattle. As for the one read / run thing, I'm not sure that is a fair assessment. In the four throws last night he scrambled on two while looking down field for a play, one turned into a throw away, and another was a huge gain on third down that was droppedby Heflet, obviously he indeed was looking down field, much the way Wilson does when scrambling, doesn't mean he is in the same stratosphere as Wilson in that regard, but it does show that he is indeed looking down field in those situations, even the poor decision at the end of the Denver game where he threw the pick was him scrambling while looking to throw the ball. Doesn't mean I want him as the backup, as I don't at this point, but jumping to the all he does is run thing is kind of a jump IMO at least based on what he has done here.

You keep saying Daniels is clearly ahead of him, and I'm not sure what or where you are getting that info, because at this time, he clearly is NOT ahead of Pryor, at least in the coaches eyes...

There are some thing you can gleam from his time in Oakland, and the issue she had there are still here as well, only one read, run first , bad choices, lack of accuracy. That si what you saw in Oakland and guess what that is what you see here. HE is an RB who can throw not a QB.

You did not read my post.

[savvyman]

I will be very surprised if the Seahawks do not keep Terrelle Pryor. Even at the expense of Tavaris Jackson.

Why?

Reason 1. Because Pryor has shown enough special & unique athletic talent to the #1 Coaching staff at developing players in the NFL to make them commit to him for another season.

Reason 2. As a hedge to gain some leverage for contract negotiations with Russell Wilson at the end of this season. Wilson's team will know that if the Seahawk's have Jackson as their backup QB at the end of the season then the Hawks will have zero leverage and they can exploit that for maximum dollars and length of contract for Wilson. However, with Pryor on the roster the Seahawk's can counter that they have a replacement QB if Russell's team ask for Russell to become the highest paid QB in the NFL.

This coaching staff loves great athlete's - look at all their top draft choices - all of them are special athletes - Pryor is indeed a special athlete.

Terrelle Pryor will make this team even if the Hawks have to eat Tavaris Jackson's $1 million dollar contract for this season. That $1 million dollars will be peanuts compared to the gain in leverage that the Seahawk's will have when negotiating a new contract for Russell Wilson.

[HumanCockroach]

If Wilson's agent bites on the Terrelle Pryor "leverage" than Wilson needs a new agent. That would work if Pryor showed outstanding accuracy, and understanding of the offense, but to this point he hasn't. I would like to think that a team that "prides itself on compensating it's core players, and taking care of their "own" " wouldn't stoop to that level, Wilson has earned his franchise player type contract, and personally I don't see him "holding them over a barrel" I understand it's a business, and expect Wilson to ask for and receive a "fair market" contract, with or without any leverage by the Seahawks. Wilson is perhaps the smartest young QB in the game, he isn't going to be looking to sabotage his ability to continue winning for an extra million. Just don't see it, and IF that was the Seahawks plan, they would have looked for a more polished QB to do so with.

[savvyman]

If Wilson's agent bites on the Terrelle Pryor "leverage" than Wilson needs a new agent. That would work if Pryor showed outstanding accuracy, and understanding of the offense, but to this point he hasn't. I would like to think that a team that "prides itself on compensating it's core players, and taking care of their "own" " wouldn't stoop to that level, Wilson has earned his franchise player type contract, and personally I don't see him "holding them over a barrel" I understand it's a business, and expect Wilson to ask for and receive a "fair market" contract, with or without any leverage by the Seahawks. Wilson is perhaps the smartest young QB in the game, he isn't going to be looking to sabotage his ability to continue winning for an extra million. Just don't see it, and IF that was the Seahawks plan, they would have looked for a more polished QB to do so with.

If there was ever any doubt before in Seahawk players minds about how the front office will approach contract negotiations in any manner other than a hardball approach - that doubt was eliminated in the most recent off-season - the players who are remaining know that the Seahawks will take a hardline on every player's contract and will not let emotions like "Loyalty to a long time good player" factor into anyone's contract signing (for example see see Big Red, Clemmons, Tate and most recently Marshawn Lynch who can smell what the team is cooking for him next season).

Russell Wilson's agent will ask to make Russell the highest paid player in the NFL. He will ask for the most guaranteed money of any QB.

Th Seahawk's will have a tough decision to make - Pay Russell that amount - and arguably he will deserve it - or part ways with Russell and use that money for Russell Wilson contract to pay for 5-6 top quality NFL players at other positions.

With Pryor in the back pocket, the Seahawk's will have "Some" leverage for these contract negotiations with Wilson- with Jackson they have none.

BTW - I have offered an opinion previously that if the Seahawk's win another Superbowl this year then Russell Wilson has a better chance of leaving then if they do not.

[HumanCockroach]

Yes this off season they certainly did show how they deal with the players they feel are core players ( See Sherman,or Thomas for examples) hell even Lynch is an example as he was the very first to benefit from being a "core" player. Red and Clem obviously were NOT in that group, nor was Tate. Wilson's agent may ask for that, something tells me, that Wilson will have some say in what he feels is fair while allowing them to continue to hold a championship caliber team together. If Wilson truly wants to not just be good, but be great ( ie HOF worthy) nothing you say is going to convince me he destroys the teams ability to retain any players in order to cash in. Just don't see it, and the "threat" of Pryor, at least to this date, is laughable. The guy is NOT an NFL starting caliber QB period.

Also, not sure how you're coming to this conclusion anyway as Pryor is signed to the end of THIS season and this season ONLY, so during the off season, baring an extension by Pryor during the year, Seattle STILL has no leverage there as he would be a FA, and the ONLY way I see Seattle retaining him beyond this year is a promise for a starting job ( silly) or that there is so little interest that he decides he would rather be a backup in Seattle than somewhere else..... neither of those scenarios seems likely to me, and it still leaves Seattle working out a contract with Wilson, or possibly tagging him, either way , Pryor's leverage threat is zero or so low as to be really a non factor ( unless of course Seattle signs him to a big money extension, which would be incredibly stupid).

[Anthony]

Not sure how you are coming to the conclusion that we have last year to use as judgement, he wasn't last I checked playing in Seattle. As for the one read / run thing, I'm not sure that is a fair assessment. In the four throws last night he scrambled on two while looking down field for a play, one turned into a throw away, and another was a huge gain on third down that was droppedby Heflet, obviously he indeed was looking down field, much the way Wilson does when scrambling, doesn't mean he is in the same stratosphere as Wilson in that regard, but it does show that he is indeed looking down field in those situations, even the poor decision at the end of the Denver game where he threw the pick was him scrambling while looking to throw the ball. Doesn't mean I want him as the backup, as I don't at this point, but jumping to the all he does is run thing is kind of a jump IMO at least based on what he has done here.

You keep saying Daniels is clearly ahead of him, and I'm not sure what or where you are getting that info, because at this time, he clearly is NOT ahead of Pryor, at least in the coaches eyes...

There are some thing you can gleam from his time in Oakland, and the issue she had there are still here as well, only one read, run first , bad choices, lack of accuracy. That si what you saw in Oakland and guess what that is what you see here. HE is an RB who can throw not a QB.

You did not read my post.

Yeah I did but I do not agree TP is ahead of BJ at all. that was the point, the rest we kind of agree on

[Anthony]

If Wilson's agent bites on the Terrelle Pryor "leverage" than Wilson needs a new agent. That would work if Pryor showed outstanding accuracy, and understanding of the offense, but to this point he hasn't. I would like to think that a team that "prides itself on compensating it's core players, and taking care of their "own" " wouldn't stoop to that level, Wilson has earned his franchise player type contract, and personally I don't see him "holding them over a barrel" I understand it's a business, and expect Wilson to ask for and receive a "fair market" contract, with or without any leverage by the Seahawks. Wilson is perhaps the smartest young QB in the game, he isn't going to be looking to sabotage his ability to continue winning for an extra million. Just don't see it, and IF that was the Seahawks plan, they would have looked for a more polished QB to do so with.

Agree TP is no leverage against RW at all, in fact if anything if that is all we have for a QB then Rw gets even more leverage.

[Anthony]

I will be very surprised if the Seahawks do not keep Terrelle Pryor. Even at the expense of Tavaris Jackson.

Why?

Reason 1. Because Pryor has shown enough special & unique athletic talent to the #1 Coaching staff at developing players in the NFL to make them commit to him for another season.

Reason 2. As a hedge to gain some leverage for contract negotiations with Russell Wilson at the end of this season. Wilson's team will know that if the Seahawk's have Jackson as their backup QB at the end of the season then the Hawks will have zero leverage and they can exploit that for maximum dollars and length of contract for Wilson. However, with Pryor on the roster the Seahawk's can counter that they have a replacement QB if Russell's team ask for Russell to become the highest paid QB in the NFL.

This coaching staff loves great athlete's - look at all their top draft choices - all of them are special athletes - Pryor is indeed a special athlete.

Terrelle Pryor will make this team even if the Hawks have to eat Tavaris Jackson's $1 million dollar contract for this season. That $1 million dollars will be peanuts compared to the gain in leverage that the Seahawk's will have when negotiating a new contract for Russell Wilson.

If they keep TP who is not ready to start in the NFL and not even ready to be a back up for our team, for 1 year knowing he is an FA after this season they are messing up and giving up a roster sport for nothing. IF we keep TP at the expense of Tj and Rw goes down we are done. Every expert out there to include our own have already said TJ is the back up TP is playing to see if they should waste a roster spot or not. I hope they don't because as a QB he brings nothing.

[Anthony]

If Wilson's agent bites on the Terrelle Pryor "leverage" than Wilson needs a new agent. That would work if Pryor showed outstanding accuracy, and understanding of the offense, but to this point he hasn't. I would like to think that a team that "prides itself on compensating it's core players, and taking care of their "own" " wouldn't stoop to that level, Wilson has earned his franchise player type contract, and personally I don't see him "holding them over a barrel" I understand it's a business, and expect Wilson to ask for and receive a "fair market" contract, with or without any leverage by the Seahawks. Wilson is perhaps the smartest young QB in the game, he isn't going to be looking to sabotage his ability to continue winning for an extra million. Just don't see it, and IF that was the Seahawks plan, they would have looked for a more polished QB to do so with.

If there was ever any doubt before in Seahawk players minds about how the front office will approach contract negotiations in any manner other than a hardball approach - that doubt was eliminated in the most recent off-season - the players who are remaining know that the Seahawks will take a hardline on every player's contract and will not let emotions like "Loyalty to a long time good player" factor into anyone's contract signing (for example see see Big Red, Clemmons, Tate and most recently Marshawn Lynch who can smell what the team is cooking for him next season).

Russell Wilson's agent will ask to make Russell the highest paid player in the NFL. He will ask for the most guaranteed money of any QB.

Th Seahawk's will have a tough decision to make - Pay Russell that amount - and arguably he will deserve it - or part ways with Russell and use that money for Russell Wilson contract to pay for 5-6 top quality NFL players at other positions.

With Pryor in the back pocket, the Seahawk's will have "Some" leverage for these contract negotiations with Wilson- with Jackson they have none.

BTW - I have offered an opinion previously that if the Seahawk's win another Superbowl this year then Russell Wilson has a better chance of leaving then if they do not.

They will have no leverage at all, in order to have a leverage you have to have a suitable replacement TP is not a suitable replacement at all. Also they have also showed they will negotiate in good faith with their corp guys and RW is a corp guy. As to Rw leaving lets hope not or we are back to being mediocre to bad.

[Anthony]

Yes this off season they certainly did show how they deal with the players they feel are core players ( See Sherman,or Thomas for examples) hell even Lynch is an example as he was the very first to benefit from being a "core" player. Red and Clem obviously were NOT in that group, nor was Tate. Wilson's agent may ask for that, something tells me, that Wilson will have some say in what he feels is fair while allowing them to continue to hold a championship caliber team together. If Wilson truly wants to not just be good, but be great ( ie HOF worthy) nothing you say is going to convince me he destroys the teams ability to retain any players in order to cash in. Just don't see it, and the "threat" of Pryor, at least to this date, is laughable. The guy is NOT an NFL starting caliber QB period.

Also, not sure how you're coming to this conclusion anyway as Pryor is signed to the end of THIS season and this season ONLY, so during the off season, baring an extension by Pryor during the year, Seattle STILL has no leverage there as he would be a FA, and the ONLY way I see Seattle retaining him beyond this year is a promise for a starting job ( silly) or that there is so little interest that he decides he would rather be a backup in Seattle than somewhere else..... neither of those scenarios seems likely to me, and it still leaves Seattle working out a contract with Wilson, or possibly tagging him, either way , Pryor's leverage threat is zero or so low as to be really a non factor ( unless of course Seattle signs him to a big money extension, which would be incredibly stupid).

Agree great post.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

All I saw was a poor man's Kaepernick. Pryor is a phenomenal athlete, but I was really hoping to see him work through his progressions and run a passing offense. Nothing I saw (running for more yards than passing) screams he's the back up over T Jack.

[HumanCockroach]

All I saw was a poor man's Kaepernick. Pryor is a phenomenal athlete, but I was really hoping to see him work through his progressions and run a passing offense. Nothing I saw (running for more yards than passing) screams he's the back up over T Jack.

Interesting take, and something I just posted to Future on another thread. Pryor does indeed look like a green Kaepernik, whether that is worth sacrificing a player that can help them this season seems to be the question, not his athletisism. Guy has natural physical talents off the charts, what that ultimately means is anybody's guess..

[Distant Relative]

All I saw was a poor man's Kaepernick. Pryor is a phenomenal athlete, but I was really hoping to see him work through his progressions and run a passing offense. Nothing I saw (running for more yards than passing) screams he's the back up over T Jack.

Interesting take, and something I just posted to Future on another thread. Pryor does indeed look like a green Kaepernik, whether that is worth sacrificing a player that can help them this season seems to be the question, not his athletisism. Guy has natural physical talents off the charts, what that ultimately means is anybody's guess..

Maybe the Hawks were hoping to showcase TP in the preaseason in hopes for a 5th round pick or so. Like Roach said, TP is not a starting QB at this point. Or maybe they try to move TJ for even a higher pick thinking TP is just good enough to be a back up if he settles down and learns some fundamentals of being a QB in the NFL.

All along I thought they brought Pryor in to coach him up a bit and get something back in return. I guess we will see.

[Anthony]

I think you have it right, Distant, Pryor wants to be a starter somewhere, and is willing to sit behind Wilson for a year to develop, but after the season is over he will be looking for a team that will give him a better chance to start. There might be team out there that will trade for him, with the idea that he would be a developmental backup with a chance to compete for a starter job in '15. Getting even a 6th round pick for him is a win.

If we were to go with 2, and Pryor was the choice, eating Jackson's contract, who would be the backup in '15? Daniels? If he is not signed by another team, maybe. My logic says we go with 3 QBs, or we go with 2 and TJack wins the job. So, I say trade Pryor to a team willing to let him learn this year and compete next season for a 6th or better.

May not be so easy according to Clayton in his mailbag on ESPN


"Q: Is it pretty much a guarantee San Francisco is going to grab whichever QB the Seahawks don't keep? The Seahawks and 49ers have a tendency to pick up the players the other team releases. Since the Niners' backup, Blaine Gabbert, is so awful, I have to think they are looking to upgrade, and here the Seahawks are with three decent backups, including B.J. Daniels, who came over from San Francisco the past year. Or I can totally see the Niners grabbing Terrelle Pryor if he doesn't make the Seahawks. He would fit right in behind Colin Kaepernick. Is it a huge stretch to think the Hawks might keep him just so S.F. can't have him?

A: You could be right, but the Seahawks need to worry about keeping their best 53 players, instead of worrying about keeping players away from the 49ers. I'm sure the 49ers would want to bring Daniels back as a No. 3 quarterback or a practice squad player. I'm not sold they would do something with Pryor; I think they would consider Tarvaris Jackson. The 49ers say they have confidence in Gabbert, but I still believe they have to look and find someone better.
"

Look in the from the inbox part

http://espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp14/s ... rustration

Now I Know some think Clayton knows nothing, but it is still telling to hear him say he is not sold they would, and TP is not exactly helping his case with his poor passing performances so far.

[HumanCockroach]

I think it's safe to say, Seattle and SF WOULDN'T be trading, though it was weird that Schneider was at the game last week in Santa Clara.

[Futureite]

Gabbert is aweful. Pryor isn't much better. I haven't even looked at their career stats but my guess is that they're comparable. Pryor does bring the extra dimension of running, but he does not fit anything that we do offensively.

We already PS'd Daniels. If Seattle puts him on the PS that is two separate teams where he could not make the roster. So I doubt he'd be in the mix. These teams have done this numerous times with various players. You dropped Lockette, we picked him up and dropped him, now he's back in Seattle. We dropped Cox, you picked him up and dropped him, now he's back in SF. Of the 4 QBs; Gabbert, Daniels, Pryor and Tarvaris, Tarvaris is the only one who is serviceable - but still a below average QB. Because he will not be available, my guess is that we stick with Uncle Rico and try to develop him.

[HumanCockroach]

"Pryor does bring the extra dimension of running, but he does not fit anything that we do offensively. "

Are you for real? sometimes I honestly wonder if you even watch the games of the team you profess to be a fan of.

Quick, name a QB that has a tendency to run when his first option is covered. I can insert the name Kaepernick and Pryor into that answer with the same amount of ease. Kapernicks RUNNING ability is what made him a "star" not his ability to stay in the pocket and work through his reads, hell when he was a rookie, his ENTIRE package was based on running the football. SMDH.

[Hawktawk]

This is a fascinating discussion. I really hadn't watched much of Pryor as a pro other than his gaudy NFL record 93 yard TD run last year. If I recall he was starting and quite popular as the flavor of the month until being injured with a concussion. He returned and was dinged up again and eventually benched. Anyone who thought he was bad for the Raiders should watch the film of Flynn's start playing with that bunch of stiffs.

I thought Pryor showed some flashes a week ago vs the Donkeys. But Friday.....that was special. Not only did he go 47 yards for a score, he did it with ease blowing away every defender.

Wilson is our starter. Hes super smart, has a huge gun with every throw in his arsenal and 4.5 speed he uses very intelligently.
T Jack is our backup. He has decent wheels, a strong accurate arm and can make all the throws. But hes a known commodity. Hes had his chance as a starter and hes a 7-9 to 9-7 type guy.Last I remember from 2011 he was getting way too many brain cramps. So do we want our eggs in that basket if god forbid Wilson goes down?

Wilson has 4.5 speed and that's enough to make a lot of plays.
Pryor has 4.3 speed. He will never be Wilson, not too many guys will. But Terrell Pryor at his optimum might be scary in his own right.His potential in this offense is unlimited.Unlike say Tebow his mechanics aren't that far off. Carroll praised his arm strength and accuracy after last game.

So imagining the doomsday scenario that Russell is injured or holds out(Hey we didn't think he'd get divorced either)would you want T jack long term with this core group? Or do you want to aim for something possibly incredible?

[Seahawks4Ever]

Turbin wowed me the other night and unless Cristine turns in a super huge game I expect he will again be back up Beast-Mode. But, I expect C.M. to get his touches and it will be a part of the transformation of our offense.

T-Jack should be the #2 QB behind Wilson. He is a guy who can step in and win games if something bad, knock on Formica, would happen to R.W.

T.P. is intriguing, and I am all for keeping 3 QB's if we can spare a roster spot. If not, I believe we could safely add him to the P.S. in order to keep developing him. If another team signed him they would have to need a QB in the worst way.

[HumanCockroach]

This is a fascinating discussion. I really hadn't watched much of Pryor as a pro other than his gaudy NFL record 93 yard TD run last year. If I recall he was starting and quite popular as the flavor of the month until being injured with a concussion. He returned and was dinged up again and eventually benched. Anyone who thought he was bad for the Raiders should watch the film of Flynn's start playing with that bunch of stiffs.

I thought Pryor showed some flashes a week ago vs the Donkeys. But Friday.....that was special. Not only did he go 47 yards for a score, he did it with ease blowing away every defender.

Wilson is our starter. Hes super smart, has a huge gun with every throw in his arsenal and 4.5 speed he uses very intelligently.
T Jack is our backup. He has decent wheels, a strong accurate arm and can make all the throws. But hes a known commodity. Hes had his chance as a starter and hes a 7-9 to 9-7 type guy.Last I remember from 2011 he was getting way too many brain cramps. So do we want our eggs in that basket if god forbid Wilson goes down?

Wilson has 4.5 speed and that's enough to make a lot of plays.
Pryor has 4.3 speed. He will never be Wilson, not too many guys will. But Terrell Pryor at his optimum might be scary in his own right.His potential in this offense is unlimited.Unlike say Tebow his mechanics aren't that far off. Carroll praised his arm strength and accuracy after last game.

So imagining the doomsday scenario that Russell is injured or holds out(Hey we didn't think he'd get divorced either)would you want T jack long term with this core group? Or do you want to aim for something possibly incredible?

Of the two only one is a realistic option to resign with this team after this season to 'backup' Wilson, and that guy isn't named Pryor. People keep bringing up future plans for a guy, that has NO future with this team. Pryor has been clear about his plans since BEFORE Seattle traded for him, and that is to be able to compete for the starting job, that isn't happening here anytime soon, and his contract is done at the end of the season ( IE he is a FA come next off season) the idea that Seattle can simply retain him is silly. He does NOT want to become a backup QB, and has the ability to walk , and will walk, so the "future QB backup" thing is to me at least a pipe dream anad nothing more.

Jackson might indeed be willing to re sign as he really has no viable chance to become a starter anywhere, his age, and his performance when given the chance is working against him at this point, and baring some unforseen desperation by another team, he will undoubtibly be exactly the same thing no matter where he signs.

[Hawktawk]

This is a fascinating discussion.

Of the two only one is a realistic option to resign with this team after this season to 'backup' Wilson, and that guy isn't named Pryor. People keep bringing up future plans for a guy, that has NO future with this team. Pryor has been clear about his plans since BEFORE Seattle traded for him, and that is to be able to compete for the starting job, that isn't happening here anytime soon, and his contract is done at the end of the season ( IE he is a FA come next off season) the idea that Seattle can simply retain him is silly. He does NOT want to become a backup QB, and has the ability to walk , and will walk, so the "future QB backup" thing is to me at least a pipe dream anad nothing more.

Jackson might indeed be willing to re sign as he really has no viable chance to become a starter anywhere, his age, and his performance when given the chance is working against him at this point, and baring some unforseen desperation by another team, he will undoubtedly be exactly the same thing no matter where he signs.

This is a PC/JS move. And they like this guy a lot. I could see him in a "slash" type role on occasion this year. But I agree he has no interest in being a long term backup. I have a hunch T jack and Pryor will both be on the opening day roster. Next year is next year.New England played Matt Cassell in a 11-5 season, franchised him and got bank for him in 2008 with no less an Icon than Tom Brady on the roster. IMO Seattle is more dangerous with Pryor behind center than T jack should the worst case scenario happen. I dont see T jack winning a Super Bowl with this team as a starter and right now that's really all its about. Pryor is an unknown but his measurables are possibly as enticing as anyone behind center in the league.

[Anthony]

Turbin wowed me the other night and unless Cristine turns in a super huge game I expect he will again be back up Beast-Mode. But, I expect C.M. to get his touches and it will be a part of the transformation of our offense.

T-Jack should be the #2 QB behind Wilson. He is a guy who can step in and win games if something bad, knock on Formica, would happen to R.W.

T.P. is intriguing, and I am all for keeping 3 QB's if we can spare a roster spot. If not, I believe we could safely add him to the P.S. in order to keep developing him. If another team signed him they would have to need a QB in the worst way.

TP cannot go to the PS, he has played to many games

[Anthony]

This is a fascinating discussion.

Of the two only one is a realistic option to resign with this team after this season to 'backup' Wilson, and that guy isn't named Pryor. People keep bringing up future plans for a guy, that has NO future with this team. Pryor has been clear about his plans since BEFORE Seattle traded for him, and that is to be able to compete for the starting job, that isn't happening here anytime soon, and his contract is done at the end of the season ( IE he is a FA come next off season) the idea that Seattle can simply retain him is silly. He does NOT want to become a backup QB, and has the ability to walk , and will walk, so the "future QB backup" thing is to me at least a pipe dream anad nothing more.

Jackson might indeed be willing to re sign as he really has no viable chance to become a starter anywhere, his age, and his performance when given the chance is working against him at this point, and baring some unforseen desperation by another team, he will undoubtedly be exactly the same thing no matter where he signs.

This is a PC/JS move. And they like this guy a lot. I could see him in a "slash" type role on occasion this year. But I agree he has no interest in being a long term backup. I have a hunch T jack and Pryor will both be on the opening day roster. Next year is next year.New England played Matt Cassell in a 11-5 season, franchised him and got bank for him in 2008 with no less an Icon than Tom Brady on the roster. IMO Seattle is more dangerous with Pryor behind center than T jack should the worst case scenario happen. I dont see T jack winning a Super Bowl with this team as a starter and right now that's really all its about. Pryor is an unknown but his measurables are possibly as enticing as anyone behind center in the league.

I agree with a lot of what you said except "IMO Seattle is more dangerous with Pryor behind center than T jack should the worst case scenario happen. I dont see T jack winning a Super Bowl with this team as a starter and right now that's really all its about. Pryor is an unknown but his measurables are possibly as enticing as anyone behind center in the league.[/" But thanks for the laugh. TP is a 50% QB who takes too long to throw it, cannot get off his first read, and is a turnover waiting to happen. I am way more confidant in TJ and TP

[Anthony]

Bears game 34-6 pryor 0-2 with an int,qb rating 0.0.

To date

10-22, 2 ints, 0 tds, qb rating 35, 147 yards

Simple SAY NO TO PRYOR. enough said