The Rams - Not the 49er's -Will be our Toughest Division Foe

[kalibane]

Riv,

When Aaron Rodgers was drafted by Green Bay they took apart his throwing mechanics and completely rebuilt from the ground up. (Just to use one example) Coaches get QBs to shorten their throwing motion all the time. You can't teach peripheral vision, anticipation, or acceleration things a RB needs. Some guys may never learn like Tebow but the point is it can be taught. It's no different than a golf swing.

[ Pryor on the otherhand is a track guy with amazing raw physical gifts. There are obvious differences between the two by this measure that do not need to be stated.

Well if nothing else you have absolutely demonstrated your willingness to completely talk out of your ass on subjects you know nothing about. Terelle Pryor was not a track guy. He was a Football/Basketball guy. He grew up in Western Pennsylvania for god's sake. His only affiliation with track is that he chose it over baseball in the Spring. It was never his focus... ever. He won two state championships in basketball. The first championship year he scored 55 points per game. The second championship year he averaged a near triple double. He is the most celebrated HS football player to ever come out of that area (which happens to include Dan Marino and Tony Dorsett). He was the national HS athlete of the year. Not for one sport, not for one city or one state. He was determined to be the best athlete in the country regardless of sport.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about and you need to stop pretending that you do. Colin Kapernick doesn't have anything physically or in his athletic background that Terrelle Pryor is missing except pitching. Pryor was even hitting a baseball 280 feet in little league. And stop harping on the wonderlic. Dan Marino scored a 15. And I don't see Ryan Fitzpatricks perfect score helping him any.

[HumanCockroach]

The biggest surprise to me, is that NO ONE is claiming Pryor to be as good as, or even close to as good as Kaepernik, yet he DOES possess similar physical gifts, and only an IDIOT would fight that he doesn't, if he was as good as Kaepernik, would he be fighting for a roster spot in the NFL? Of course not, and only an IDIOT would claim otherwise. Whether certain people want to CLAIM Kaepernik doesn't run.... A LOT..... is irrelevant to the discussion, he does. So let me ask you Future, would you rather have an inaccurate, immobile QB with horrible footwork, or a MOBILE QB with poor mechanics that has off the chart physical attributes, that whether you can see it or not, has similar traits physically to the one your team is paying? At least Pryor CAN beat a team with his legs, and has ALREADY done so in a starting capacity, can you say the same for the backup currently roaming your sidelines? Yeah, I thought not. SOME ability, is a hell of a lot better, than NO ability to win games from a backup.

Christ.

[kalibane]

Only someone who is extremely insecure about Kaep's ability would go so far in an attempt to distance Kaep's skill set from Pryor's. Pyror's athleticism is why a lot of people wanted him to succeed and be the Seahawks backup because his skill set is a lot closer to Russell Wilson than TJacks.

You don't see Seahawk fans freaking out about comparisons being made even though Wilson is clearly the superior player with superior mechanics and tucks and runs less than Pyror (or Kaep for that matter).

You could have one eye with glaucoma and the difference in how much polish each player has is obvious. Someone needs a tampon.

[RiverDog]

Riv,

When Aaron Rodgers was drafted by Green Bay they took apart his throwing mechanics and completely rebuilt from the ground up. (Just to use one example) Coaches get QBs to shorten their throwing motion all the time. You can't teach peripheral vision, anticipation, or acceleration things a RB needs. Some guys may never learn like Tebow but the point is it can be taught. It's no different than a golf swing.

Golf is a little different. You are completely stationary and in a nearly sterile environment, so you can screen out all other distractions and concentrate on something like keeping your head down and your wrists locked, or whatever specific mechanical function you're working on. Quarterbacking is completely different in that the mechanics have to come naturally, as your mind is too busy processing hundreds of bits of information and the last thing you want to do is to have to tell yourself to shorten your throwing motion when you're busy trying to find an open receiver. At the very least, it takes thousands of reps for a QB to make a significant change in their throwing mechanics and have it come naturally to him.

I wish I could find the quote from Holmgren, but I know I heard him talk about how difficult it is to coach up a quarterback's throwing motion when a player is already in his 20's. I guess you'll just have to take my word for it.

Sorry again for the off topic nature of my comments.

[kalibane]

I respectfully disagree Riv. It's all about muscle memory. Whether it's your golf swing, your batting stance/swing your pitching delivery if you are thinking about it while you're doing it it's an impediment to success. Being stationary has nothing to do with it. Dennis Eckersly didn't always have a side arm delivery. And like I said they completely rebuilt Aaron Rodgers delivery in Green Bay. Rumor has it his mechanics were kind of a disaster when he was drafted. It takes good coaching and a good pupil to do it but it can be done and it's not that uncommon. People don't grow up knowing how to drop back. They are taught the footwork, how to hold the ball and how to deliver it in the most efficient manner.

[Futureite]

Riv,

When Aaron Rodgers was drafted by Green Bay they took apart his throwing mechanics and completely rebuilt from the ground up. (Just to use one example) Coaches get QBs to shorten their throwing motion all the time. You can't teach peripheral vision, anticipation, or acceleration things a RB needs. Some guys may never learn like Tebow but the point is it can be taught. It's no different than a golf swing.

[ Pryor on the otherhand is a track guy with amazing raw physical gifts. There are obvious differences between the two by this measure that do not need to be stated.

Well if nothing else you have absolutely demonstrated your willingness to completely talk out of your ass on subjects you know nothing about. Terelle Pryor was not a track guy. He was a Football/Basketball guy. He grew up in Western Pennsylvania for god's sake. His only affiliation with track is that he chose it over baseball in the Spring. It was never his focus... ever. He won two state championships in basketball. The first championship year he scored 55 points per game. The second championship year he averaged a near triple double. He is the most celebrated HS football player to ever come out of that area (which happens to include Dan Marino and Tony Dorsett). He was the national HS athlete of the year. Not for one sport, not for one city or one state. He was determined to be the best athlete in the country regardless of sport.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about and you need to stop pretending that you do. Colin Kapernick doesn't have anything physically or in his athletic background that Terrelle Pryor is missing except pitching. Pryor was even hitting a baseball 280 feet in little league. And stop harping on the wonderlic. Dan Marino scored a 15. And I don't see Ryan Fitzpatricks perfect score helping him any.

Lol! (Again). "Someone needs a Tampon" is your response to my "HC has a mini orgasm cutting down SF players or people from my area"? That's a paraphrase for the sake of you picking apart the technical merit of my actual comment to HC.

On to the topic: Pryor has horrendous issues with accuracy. It's well documented. He has had problems picking up an O. It's well documented (hense, the Wonderlic ref). He IS clumsy with his footwork AND as a 4.38 guy has shown no ability inside/outside the pocket to do anything but tuck the ball and run. He fits nothing of what JH looks for in a QB. He's not regarded as being a quick study, or being accurate or possessing any unique athletic trait but the ability to outrun defenders. Please phone me when he looks like a guy that could make the type of throws Colin did in the SB enroute to 300+ yds.

Just needs coaching to do it, eh Kali?

No one is arguing they are similar in form. Hell, there are any number of NFL players that resemble the general physical traits of another. That does not them a valid point of comparison. The traits that separate successful players also rans ARE the intangibles and abilities that are more difficult to quantify. Drive, balance, spacial awareness, on and on.

You can ignore all of that and say "duhh, why don't the whiners get Pryor, he's the same thing without coaching", but it just shows your opinion is completely biased to the point that it's almost not even worth discussing. I mean, why don't the Seahawks turn BJ Daniels into RW?? Let's here it.

Lol I forgot. Because RW is not BJ. He more closely resembles another shorter guy; Drew Brees. Of course.

[Futureite]

I respectfully disagree Riv. It's all about muscle memory. Whether it's your golf swing, your batting stance/swing your pitching delivery if you are thinking about it while you're doing it it's an impediment to success. Being stationary has nothing to do with it. Dennis Eckersly didn't always have a side arm delivery. And like I said they completely rebuilt Aaron Rodgers delivery in Green Bay. Rumor has it his mechanics were kind of a disaster when he was drafted. It takes good coaching and a good pupil to do it but it can be done and it's not that uncommon. People don't grow up knowing how to drop back. They are taught the footwork, how to hold the ball and how to deliver it in the most efficient manner.

His mechanics were a "disaster"? Lol wow. And I was always impressed with his compact quick release at Cal, holding the ball high and coming right and out if his earhole. The guy had an incredible release and accuracy at Cal. That was the first thing I told my father before the 2005 draft when I was certain we'd draft him. And I was under the impression that Jeff Tedford knew O and QB play.

[HumanCockroach]

Riv,

When Aaron Rodgers was drafted by Green Bay they took apart his throwing mechanics and completely rebuilt from the ground up. (Just to use one example) Coaches get QBs to shorten their throwing motion all the time. You can't teach peripheral vision, anticipation, or acceleration things a RB needs. Some guys may never learn like Tebow but the point is it can be taught. It's no different than a golf swing.

[ Pryor on the otherhand is a track guy with amazing raw physical gifts. There are obvious differences between the two by this measure that do not need to be stated.

Well if nothing else you have absolutely demonstrated your willingness to completely talk out of your ass on subjects you know nothing about. Terelle Pryor was not a track guy. He was a Football/Basketball guy. He grew up in Western Pennsylvania for god's sake. His only affiliation with track is that he chose it over baseball in the Spring. It was never his focus... ever. He won two state championships in basketball. The first championship year he scored 55 points per game. The second championship year he averaged a near triple double. He is the most celebrated HS football player to ever come out of that area (which happens to include Dan Marino and Tony Dorsett). He was the national HS athlete of the year. Not for one sport, not for one city or one state. He was determined to be the best athlete in the country regardless of sport.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about and you need to stop pretending that you do. Colin Kapernick doesn't have anything physically or in his athletic background that Terrelle Pryor is missing except pitching. Pryor was even hitting a baseball 280 feet in little league. And stop harping on the wonderlic. Dan Marino scored a 15. And I don't see Ryan Fitzpatricks perfect score helping him any.

Lol! (Again). "Someone needs a Tampon" is your response to my "HC has a mini orgasm cutting down SF players or people from my area"? That's a paraphrase for the sake of you picking apart the technical merit of my actual comment to HC.

On to the topic: Pryor has horrendous issues with accuracy. It's well documented. He has had problems picking up an O. It's well documented (hense, the Wonderlic ref). He IS clumsy with his footwork AND as a 4.38 guy has shown no ability inside/outside the pocket to do anything but tuck the ball and run. He fits nothing of what JH looks for in a QB. He's not regarded as being a quick study, or being accurate or possessing any unique athletic trait but the ability to outrun defenders.

No one is arguing they are similar in form. Hell, there are any number of NFL players that resemble the general physical traits of another. That does not them a valid point of comparison. The traits that separate successful players also rans ARE the intangibles and abilities that are more difficult to quantify. Drive, balance, spacial awareness, on and on.

You can ignore all of that and say "duhh, why don't the whiners get Pryor, he's the same thing without coaching", but it just shows your opinion is completely biased to the point that it's almost not even worth discussing. I mean, why don't the Seahawks turn BJ Daniels into RW?? Let's here it.

Lol I forgot. Because RW is not BJ. He more closely resembles another shorter guy; Drew Brees. Of course.

Provide ONE critisism for on field play of a Niner I have ever posted, or shut the F up troll. I'm tired of this horseshite. If I want to critisize a Niner player, it ISN'T going to be some trollish, hidden s***, that is YOURS and formerly CP'S bag, NOT mine, so either come with something accurate, or STFU . I'm done with this crap. I have NEVER bashed a Niners player, for actual PLAY, you can blow a load over me being critical over Smith and Culiver's actions, but BOTH happened OFF the field, and had JUSTIFIABLE reasons for critisism, I NEVER jumped on bashing Kap, or any other tool shed, and have even refrained from calling Crabtree what he is.You however feel justified in bashing the players, coaches, FAN SUPPORT for an NBA team, or anything else that strikes your fancy to lie, falsify and plain make up repeatedly.

Guess all the apologetic crap was simply to get a few of us to ease up, huh? Stop calling you what you are? Whatever Troll, why don't you send away for your Kap jock to sniff, and replica Harbaugh dockers, so you can finally put a visual for the dooschiness you both share.

I am NOT the only one that saw it, I'm pretty sure if you actually took the TIME to research it, that MANY gm's, scouts ( you know guys PAID to evaluate talent, unlike jock sniffing trolls with an agenda) ALSO saw it . I even PROVIDED a link for YOU, if you ever actually LOOKED AT IT, which you refuse to do, come on back with the "I'm a lawyer but have no access to the internet garbage" truth is , you ARE a troll, who has NO qualms about lying, fabricating or cherry picking information that suits you, whenever you feel the urge. Which honestly isn't much of a surprise, based on what we know about you, and your post history.

( PS Sorry, Makena, and Yoder, not much of a nice post, and honestly went back and deleted quite a bit if I missed something I appologise, but am tired of this troll, LYING about what I've posted)

[Futureite]

HC;

OK, I guess the love was shared in the ever growing Santa Clara references? Cmon man. You hate us. You hate anything from our area. It is funny considering your LB coach is Ken Norton, your Head Coach went to highschool in Redwood City and was our OC for several yrs, your FO guy was Scot McCloughan, your star RB is from Oakland and played at Cal, your star DB was converted from WR to DB by JH/Fangio at Stanford, and your well known media voice Michael Robindon was drafted by the 49ers. It us funny how you hate us, how different you believe you are from us, and yet your whole organization is tied to "Santa Clara".

It's your site and you are free to do what you want. If I disrupt it to the point that you guys want me to leave, I will. I don't want to ruine it for you. But at the same time, am I? You cannot expect to attempt to get under my skin without me responding. I can take the response, and I think yiu can to. Both of us obvioudly like arguing on some level and I admit, the Hawks are now our biggest rivals.

No harm no foul man.

[HumanCockroach]

HC;

OK, I guess the love was shared in the ever growing Santa Clara references? Cmon man. You hate us. You hate anything from our area. It is funny considering your LB coach is Ken Norton, your Head Coach went to highschool in Redwood City and was our OC for several yrs, your FO guy was Scot McCloughan, your star RB is from Oakland and played at Cal, your star DB was converted from WR to DB by JH/Fangio at Stanford, and your well known media voice Michael Robindon was drafted by the 49ers. It us funny how you hate us, how different you believe you are from us, and yet your whole organization is tied to "Santa Clara".

It's your site and you are free to do what you want. If I disrupt it to the point that you guys want me to leave, I will. I don't want to ruine it for you. But at the same time, am I? You cannot expect to attempt to get under my skin without me responding. I can take the response, and I think yiu can to. Both of us obvioudly like arguing on some level and I admit, the Hawks are now our biggest rivals.

No harm no foul man.

AND that IS the point , I was NOT attempting to get under your skin, I WAS expressing my OPINION, ONE THAT WAS SHARED by MANY, and have NEVER expressed a "hate for the Niners" I have expressed dislike for ACTIONS of SOME players, and coaches, but for the state of California? NOPE. For the team? NOPE. The play of the team? NOPE. In fact the ONLY "hate" I have EVER displayed is for the ARROGANT, fan base of said team. Which you CONTINUE to display as correct.


As for the Santa Clara reference, are they not playing in Santa Clara( christ how sensitive can you be in this instance, I even SPELLED IT OUT FOR YOU ON ANOTHER THREAD)? Why yes, yes they are. And while I should NOT have to explain this to you, a LARGE part of that was to get AWAY from the "faithful" that are really only bandwagon doosches that know jack squat about football in general, and weren't fans the last time they won a SB. Even WITHOUT that, I simply "stole" the reference from the radio program locally, and even STOOD up for you when a 12 took you to task on it. To continue to LIE about what I have, or am posting, is the LOWEST form of insult you could take, and NOT one I am willing to look the other way in the name of harmony. You lie about me, I'm going to call you on it, EVERY time. I have had PLENTY of issues with folks on this board, and say ( write) enough crap on here, that causes friction, but I have NEVER been one to use minced words and half truths to express my opinion, and you continuing to say I have, or am, is insulting, belittling, and condescending.

[kalibane]

You lost the ability to act like you have any kind of scouting knowledge the minute you said Pryor didn't have an NFL arm. Can't rebound from that. You then went even further calling him a track guy which might be even more ridiculous. It's also funny watching you harp on accuracy when that was one of the well documented knocks on Kaep. I guess Kaep is the only raw athletic prospect that can be developed with good coaching. You're an idiot Future. You can't even recognize when someone is giving your coach a compliment by inferring he could turn Pryor into a good player because you're too busy on some delusional head trip thinking we're trying to insult Kaep. I give a damn where players come from you made up that bias in your own mind to rationalize why you keep getting wrecked in these discussions.

This is what it looks like when someone doesn't talk out of their ass:

http://thesidelineview.com/columns/nfl/ ... be-altered

Even though I know you won't read this I urge you to scroll down to the portion where they talk about Rodgers mechanics coming out of Cal.

You suck at knowing about football.

[HumanCockroach]

http://www.ninersnation.com/2011/6/16/2 ... draft-2011

Here's another link for you, now explain to me how Maycock only looked at the surface, as opposed to your in depth insight...

[savvyman]

I think that the 49er's will not be the Hawks biggest threat next year for the division title - I believe the toughest competition will come from the Rams.

What do you think?

No because when I said it Bradford was projected to return as starting Quarterback.

Obviously because of recent events this weekend, I feel less optimistic on the Rams chances.

Still there are many excellent players remaining on a very young Rams team. I expect Fisher to rally his troops and prepare them to fight the other team each week - - in the same manner as how the Rams played towards the end of last season.[/quote][/quote][/quote]

You know me. Was just f'n witcha, bro.


I know - No offense taken.

Eating a plate of crow from time to time comes with the territory when you make a public call or prediction and it doesn't work out.

[Futureite]

You lost the ability to act like you have any kind of scouting knowledge the minute you said Pryor didn't have an NFL arm. Can't rebound from that. You then went even further calling him a track guy which might be even more ridiculous. It's also funny watching you harp on accuracy when that was one of the well documented knocks on Kaep. I guess Kaep is the only raw athletic prospect that can be developed with good coaching. You're an idiot Future. You can't even recognize when someone is giving your coach a compliment by inferring he could turn Pryor into a good player because you're too busy on some delusional head trip thinking we're trying to insult Kaep. I give a damn where players come from you made up that bias in your own mind to rationalize why you keep getting wrecked in these discussions.

This is what it looks like when someone doesn't talk out of their ass:

http://thesidelineview.com/columns/nfl/ ... be-altered

Even though I know you won't read this I urge you to scroll down to the portion where they talk about Rodgers mechanics coming out of Cal.

You suck at knowing about football.

All I know is work. Work at my craft. 24/7. That is what life is about for me. Enjoy your night.

Now wait. I just read that article. This is your problem; and let me tell you, if it were an intellectual competition of any sort you are not fit for it. I am just calling a spade a spade. You cannot analyze information, interpret it or frame a rational argument from it even 1/10th as well as you believe you can. And I am not about to let someone like you refer to me over and over again as an"idiot", blog or not.

The very first sentence of that article states exactly what I stated. Word for word. There are countless ways to throw a football. Proper mechanics can always be debated. The only true measure of whether mechanics are "good" is whether the ball arives on time, with accuracy. I couldn't have stated this more directly.

The article then takes aim at Tedford's preferred method of QB mechanics, but only inasmuch as they altered Rodger's natural throwing motion. This does NOT mean Rodger's mechanics were "aweful" a "mess" or any other derrogitory synonym you used to characterize them. Instead, it ONLY means that they were not the best fit for Rodgers.

That last point is buoyed later in the article where the author draws reference to "elbow elevated above the shoulder" as a point of release which indicate proper mechanics. This in fact correlates directly to a "high point of release out of the ear" which were altered in Rodgers.

Like anything in life, there are differing theories and approaches. All that happened here is that McCarthy saw a different approach or something innate in Rodger's natural motion, and changed it. It worked. Sometimes it does not. My QB coach ruined my arm and even when I practiced his mechanics to a tee, my velosity and accuracy suffered. And he was a 4 yr backup QB at BYU.

Basically, you just read the entire article, missed the entire point of it, ignored 3/4's of what I posted and called me an idiot twice. We can disagree, fine. But please quit acting like you're so damn smart. I am tired of getting into these lame personal battles of who has the bigger brain.

[kalibane]

No Future. See that's your mistake. In the first place it talks about how his footwork was messed up in that article. And how his mechanics affected his accuracy and his ability to throw deep. Which is notable since Rodgers is considered to have one of the strongest if not the strongest arm in the NFL. In the second place, you're under the mistaken belief that I gleaned my opinion from this article. What I heard about his mechanics I heard years ago over a television broadcast. I've since heard it referenced in podcasts and other football related blogs. When you decided to act like it wasn't true. I did a quick google search and found an article that supported what I said.

Futhermore, let me ask you this. Name one Jeff Tedford QB aside from Aaron Rodgers that has experienced success in the NFL. I bet you can't. I can name a bunch of high profile busts though. Akili Smith, Joey Harrington, Kyle Boller, David Carr. The one Jeff Tedford QB that has experienced success spent 2 years having his mechanics taken apart and rebuilt with no pressure to produce on the field. Hmmm... coincidence? or maybe the way Jeff Tedford coaches his QBs to throw the ball just doesn't work at the NFL level. In other words Rodger's mechanics were a mess.

[Futureite]

No Future. See that's your mistake. In the first place it talks about how his footwork was messed up in that article. And how his mechanics affected his accuracy and his ability to throw deep. Which is notable since Rodgers is considered to have one of the strongest if not the strongest arm in the NFL. In the second place, you're under the mistaken belief that I gleaned my opinion from this article. What I heard about his mechanics I heard years ago over a television broadcast. I've since heard it referenced in podcasts and other football related blogs. When you decided to act like it wasn't true. I did a quick google search and found an article that supported what I said.

Futhermore, let me ask you this. Name one Jeff Tedford QB aside from Aaron Rodgers that has experienced success in the NFL. I bet you can't. I can name a bunch of high profile busts though. Akili Smith, Joey Harrington, Kyle Boller, David Carr. The one Jeff Tedford QB that has experienced success spent 2 years having his mechanics taken apart and rebuilt with no pressure to produce on the field. Hmmm... coincidence? or maybe the way Jeff Tedford coaches his QBs to throw the ball just doesn't work at the NFL level. In other words Rodger's mechanics were a mess.

It is all debateable, but you do not need to insult me in every post. You were right; I did not do enough research on Pryor snd I made some innacurate points. But at the same time cut me a little slack. I push myself pretty hard and I am noticing I am forgetting things and making mistakes more and more. I am pretty old to be going 110 MPH 24/7.

On the subject of Colin's accuracy, if you google "Sports Science tests Kaepernick's accuracy" and compare it with Pryor's pre combine reports of hitting only 70% of his targets in unfefended skeleton drills then you'll understand the difference in accuracy that I am referencing. I am not debating in game accuracy; I am debating the general form of what GM's looked at to mold. If you look deeper beyond the pure measureables, you see why JH chose Kaep and no one really made any play for Pryor. There are also noteable differences in each player's ability to absorb a playbook and yes, I do believe that and the Wonderlic (to a lesser degree) are relevant. If the 49ers hadn't traded up to draft Kaep, other teams would have picked him.

Every yr we see tons and tons of players that are the pure physical prototype of a star player. We have a UFA by the name of Glen Winston who is 6'1, 222 put up 35 reps, and ran a sub 4.4. He is an athletic freak, but his raw measureables are so common at this level that it diminishes them as a comparison point to any other great RB. Hell, the guy that beat me out at QB in highschool ran a 4.5 and could literally throw a ball 80 yds, and I watched him do both. But he is no comparison to Kaep or even Pryor, for numerous reasons that are not worth discussing.

Anyhow, I am excited about Thursday and would rather talk about that at this point. Season is almost here!

[kalibane]

If you weren't completely unreasonable in acting like Pyor couldn't and shouldn't be compared to Kaep we wouldn't be here now would we. It's a NATURAL comparison. They are both eachother's closest physical equals in the NFL.

Kaep was no where near as far ahead of Pryor as you made him out to be when he came out of school. You fail to take into consideration any circumstances revolving their NFL careers. e.g.

Kaepernick comes out in the draft hand picked by a QB guru who coached him up to improve on his deficiencies before he took an NFL snap.

Pyror wasn't even planning on coming out but was forced out of school by a dirtbag coach who threw him under the bus (no I'm not asserting that Pryor is some saint but Tressel is in fact a dirtbag and tried to sacrifice his players over some tattoos to save himself)... forced to declare for the supplemental draft and then was taken by the biggest disaster of a football franchise in the league.

Do you honestly believe that Kaep's career would look the way it does now if he had come into the league under Pyror's circumstances?

Kaep is better no one is denying that... but to say that Harbaugh couldn't make an adequate BACKUP not a complete Kaep equivalent but a BACKUP, while at the same time believing he could do something with the disaster that is Blaine Gabbert was just being ridiculous in my opinion.

[Futureite]

If you weren't completely unreasonable in acting like Pyor couldn't and shouldn't be compared to Kaep we wouldn't be here now would we. It's a NATURAL comparison. They are both eachother's closest physical equals in the NFL.

Kaep was no where near as far ahead of Pryor as you made him out to be when he came out of school. You fail to take into consideration any circumstances revolving their NFL careers. e.g.

Kaepernick comes out in the draft hand picked by a QB guru who coached him up to improve on his deficiencies before he took an NFL snap.

Pyror wasn't even planning on coming out but was forced out of school by a dirtbag coach who threw him under the bus (no I'm not asserting that Pryor is some saint but Tressel is in fact a dirtbag and tried to sacrifice his players over some tattoos to save himself)... forced to declare for the supplemental draft and then was taken by the biggest disaster of a football franchise in the league.

Do you honestly believe that Kaep's career would look the way it does now if he had come into the league under Pyror's circumstances?

Kaep is better no one is denying that... but to say that Harbaugh couldn't make an adequate BACKUP not a complete Kaep equivalent but a BACKUP, while at the same time believing he could do something with the disaster that is Blaine Gabbert was just being ridiculous in my opinion.

It's all good man you had some valid points. I just didn't like the way the original comment was frsmed. I did not really go after it viciously; it more or less blew up during the back and forth as it usually does on blogs. I am enjoying this Ice Americano now though, and it's hard to beat that. Caffeine, change of season and football. What more can we ask for in life?

[HumanCockroach]

If you weren't completely unreasonable in acting like Pyor couldn't and shouldn't be compared to Kaep we wouldn't be here now would we. It's a NATURAL comparison. They are both eachother's closest physical equals in the NFL.

Kaep was no where near as far ahead of Pryor as you made him out to be when he came out of school. You fail to take into consideration any circumstances revolving their NFL careers. e.g.

Kaepernick comes out in the draft hand picked by a QB guru who coached him up to improve on his deficiencies before he took an NFL snap.

Pyror wasn't even planning on coming out but was forced out of school by a dirtbag coach who threw him under the bus (no I'm not asserting that Pryor is some saint but Tressel is in fact a dirtbag and tried to sacrifice his players over some tattoos to save himself)... forced to declare for the supplemental draft and then was taken by the biggest disaster of a football franchise in the league.

Do you honestly believe that Kaep's career would look the way it does now if he had come into the league under Pyror's circumstances?

Kaep is better no one is denying that... but to say that Harbaugh couldn't make an adequate BACKUP not a complete Kaep equivalent but a BACKUP, while at the same time believing he could do something with the disaster that is Blaine Gabbert was just being ridiculous in my opinion.

It's all good man you had some valid points. I just didn't like the way the original comment was frsmed. I did not really go after it viciously; it more or less blew up during the back and forth as it usually does on blogs. I am enjoying this Ice Americano now though, and it's hard to beat that. Caffeine, change of season and football. What more can we ask for in life?

Seriously? SMDH. "Framed" it by saying he had similar traits, and that Harbaugh might be interested, only to have you go off on some weak arm, lie about what my "intentions" were...really?

[Futureite]

"You know Harbaugh would be all over that". In other words, salivating at the opportunity.

[HumanCockroach]

"You know Harbaugh would be all over that". In other words, salivating at the opportunity.

First of all, I said I COULD see them being all over that, couldn't you? Not what you again erroneously said I did d, secondly, it wasn't a F#@#$ng knock you shed, it was a statement about the similarities in physical skill set between the two, and I have backed that up NUMEROUS times with links of analysts saying the SAME thing! I ALSO followed that post up with a reasoned well thought out response, never attacking you, claiming to "know" what you meant. I have always been on the surface, if I don't like something, or disagree I have NEVER been shy sharing that opinion, that is what TROLLS like you do, not me.

"iIt surprises me a bit that you don't think that Harbaugh would be interested in Pryor to be honest, every time time I see him play I immediately think of year one Kaepernick, I would think that Harbaugh if he is the "Quarterback whisperer" we've been lead to believe might indeed be interested in a QB with similar traits and abilities to the one that he has tied his wagon to for the forseable future and spent a second round draft pick initially to attain for pretty much nothing.

Doesn't bother me that you don't think he will be or anything, just thought that was an odd statement".

To sum up, I was being nice, you were a TROLL assuming something that had NO basis, and continue to do so.At no point have I sought to bash Niner players, in fact I've been MORE courteous than you in regards to your backup QB, I could have gone down the they look like sh!t road, but didn't, or the they are going to implode, but didn't, why? Because I don't do crap like that.

you're the one that got all stupid with the arm garbage, not me, I was making an observation ( that was validated after the fact by numerous experts regarding Pryor's skill set) and nothing more, rube.

[kalibane]

Well we obviously know that the title of this thread is not coming true now but I wanted to touch on one of the things I was talking about before regarding the Rams defense.

If anyone watched any part of the Minnesota game this weekend, you could see how Greg Williams blitz heavy defense essentially neutralized what made the Rams such a scary team, terrorize the opposing QB with just four guys rushing the QB. They were sending 5 and 6 guys on nearly every passing down and even Matt Cassel was able to just hit his drop and get the ball out to a hot read. Greg Williams is a dinosaur who doesn't understand how to use the personel he has. It makes no sense to blitz when you have Quinn, Long and Donald. He's hurting their defense, not helping it.

[Futureite]

HC;

If that is the case then I apologize. I probably read what you posted too fast or had a bias in my mind prior to reading it. I have fallen back into that old flaw lately and I'm working to extinguish it.

[monkey]

If anyone watched any part of the Minnesota game this weekend, you could see how Greg Williams blitz heavy defense essentially neutralized what made the Rams such a scary team, terrorize the opposing QB with just four guys rushing the QB.

EXCELLENT POINT!!
You're exactly spot on right.

Just one week into the season, but from what I've seen so far, (including pre-season) the NFC West may not be anywhere near as tough as I previously thought it would be.
The Cards look OK, but those injuries keep piling up, and as long as they have Palmer at QB, you can rest assured, he WILL throw us some stupid picks. The Rams could be looking at a top 5 pick again. The Niners, between injuries, and mass suspensions, are probably a 10 win team at best, and could finish third behind the Cards. While everyone else was geeking over how good they looked against the Cowboys, I actually thought they looked pretty average most of the time, especially given the fact that they were gifted so many turnovers, against what may be an all time worst ever defense, and did very little with it.

The ONLY team with an impressive week one in the NFC West, was Seattle, and even the Seahawks looked sloppy at times (missed tackles and a couple of passes that could have been picked yet we still butchered a team with a great offense).

[HumanCockroach]

Wow, now Palmer to miss time due to some shoulder "nerve thing" according to Arians, that team can't seem to stay healthy either.

[savvyman]

Bumping this thread from last Summer for fun - Interesting to see how the predictions by everyone panned out - Got the call of the 49ers fall from grace correct - the Rams call not as much....

[c_hawkbob]

Call me crazy but I picked Cards. SF has all the pressure on them. It's SB or bust with a coach that doesn't get along with the higher ups. Key players aging. Haven't seen anything on offense that supposedly has improved. Yes it's preseason. But 3 points total thus far should worry them. New stadium pressure will only add to the fire. The fans will be out for blood if they experience any series of losses. Lots of potential for implosion. Cards have nowhere to go but up.

Rams offense just won't cut the mustard. If Bradford does finally have the year he was drafted to do, then good for them. But just don't see it happening.

This post about nailed it (and took him up on his invitation and called him crazy ...)

[Futureite]

Lol Jesus. Actually you switched positions about 3 or 4 different times as the season ebbed and flowed. And just a couple weeks ago both teams were 7-4 and people here even questioned " can Seattle win the next two"? Hindsight is 20/20 for this bump.

Yes, we imploded. But it had nothing to do with aging players or a new stadium, pressure or the other theories floated in the offseason here. The young talent that just stepped in may in fact be an upgrade over what is leaving (Lynch, M. Martin, Hyde, Johnson, Boreland, etc).

What no one knew was that our FO was a mess to the extent that it is. That and when you lose your 2 starting NTs, 3 best LBs and portions of the secondary and probowl Olinemen, at some point something is going to give. And it did. It was one of those yrs.

[monkey]

Why don't you know when to go away?

[briwas101]

Congrats to those who picked the cards.

The niners collapse finally happened, and the cards' rebuild finally paid off. Meanwhile the rams are seemingly spinning their tires.

[Hawktawk]

Rams are going to pay dearly for their flim flam high school pop warner game plan in week 7. Hawks had to have a long plane ride home thinking about that one and all the Harvin trade garbage plus /Lynch/Wilson rumors.


How do you like me now?Paybacks a mofo. Seattle might beat them 50 to zip.

[Zorn76]

49ers.

And it's not even close. (Sat Jun 07, 2014 10:07 pm)

Oops:)

Couldn't have been more wrong there, just like the parlay cards I've filled out this season, ha.

Moving forward, though, it's hard to tell who the main rival will be.

Arizona needs to find their next QB desperately, because Palmer is clearly on his last leg, literally.

Same goes for Fisher in Stl. Bradford is done there, and they still need more weapons on offense to be legit.

The 49ers will still have some good players remaining, but their next choice for HC is the biggest question mark, obviously. Kaepernick's future with the team is in considerable doubt as well. I think he can still become a decent QB, but they have to come up with an offense that's more user friendly than the one they implemented this season.

Across the bay, the Raiders finally found their own franchise QB in Carr. That kid has done an Amazing job considering the circumstances he's had to play under. Good composure and pocket presence, and he has a great attitude and outlook to boot. Not sure which quarterback is similar to him in next year's draft, but his style would benefit any team in the league.