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Re: Another Day...... Another 49er Arrested

Postby RiverDog » Tue Sep 02, 2014 5:25 pm

kalibane wrote: Harbaugh was directly answering a question about PEDs.


No, he was not answering a question. He was making a statement. Here is the the entire sequence, not just the "beyond reproach" statement:

"It has no place in an athlete's body," Harbaugh said. "Play by the rules and you always want to be above reproach, especially when you're good because you don't want people to come back and say, 'They're winning because they're cheating.' That's always going to be a knee-jerk reaction from people I've found in my experience every since I was a little kid.

Harbaugh then cited his former coach at Michigan.

(Here comes the kicker:) "So we want to be above reproach in everything and do everything by the rules. Because if you cheat to win, you've already lost, according to Bo Schembechler. . . That's a constant theme."

The last paragraph that starts with the word "So" is not an answer to a question. You start a paragraph with the word "so", it is a summary to the discussion, not an answer to a question. Harbaugh was giving us an insight to his philosophy.
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Re: Another Day...... Another 49er Arrested

Postby kalibane » Tue Sep 02, 2014 6:02 pm

Ah yes Future...

The other people are (alledgedly) doing it so that excuses me doing it defense. While you're busy talking about rationalizations that typically fail you should pay attention to your own advice. Because, "other people are doing it" has never stood up in court, debate or any other forum for rational argument.

You really are terrible at this. What other people doesn't matter in order to be "above reproach" so to speak all that matters is what you are (or aren't) guilty of. Do you really profess to have some sort of legal expertise to be talking all this jibber jabber?

Let me ask you something Future... do you honestly believe that no one has ever settled in game trash talk at the end of the game? Oh that's right of course you don't because Trent Williams did that and went one better by getting physical with Sherman but according to you that was justified. (More inconsistancy, what a shock). No the fact that you think you can be so presumptuous to speak to the rarity of being less than cordial after the game illustrates again that you are either just lying or you have no actual experience playing sports. People talk trash all the time... during and after games in all kinds of sports. The only difference with Sherman is someone from the national photographer happened to take a picture of if... which happened to be made into a meme by some random Seahawk fan... who then tweeted it at Richard Sherman... who found it amusing. But again context seems to disappear for you when it's convenient. I mean it's not like Harbaugh has ever had a less than cordial post game incident or anything I guess.

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Re: Another Day...... Another 49er Arrested

Postby Anthony » Tue Sep 02, 2014 8:43 pm

Futureite wrote:So does the resodding of the field and abysmal state of the turf fall on JH too? We're talking about being above reproach in "everything", right?

Since we are all technically defining the word "everything".


Nice try deflecting the subject Hypocrite, the facts are the facts and as usual you are wrong.
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Re: Another Day...... Another 49er Arrested

Postby HumanCockroach » Tue Sep 02, 2014 8:53 pm

Lame, lost post to cyberspace, regardless, I do find it interesting how quick to bash Sherman Future is, yet his coach, one he has defended over and over again, has a long history of "classy" stuff like the one posted, add in a little "merry Christmas" horn honk as the Niners left the stadium the last time they defeated Seattle her along with some of his other "class" moves and statements regarding other teams, and it's Sherman who is "hurting" the multi millionaire alpha male athletes with a retweet of something he found funny? Something seems off in the "objectivity" department....
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Re: Another Day...... Another 49er Arrested

Postby Futureite » Tue Sep 02, 2014 10:04 pm

HumanCockroach wrote:Lame, lost post to cyberspace, regardless, I do find it interesting how quick to bash Sherman Future is, yet his coach, one he has defended over and over again, has a long history of "classy" stuff like the one posted, add in a little "merry Christmas" horn honk as the Niners left the stadium the last time they defeated Seattle her along with some of his other "class" moves and statements regarding other teams, and it's Sherman who is "hurting" the multi millionaire alpha male athletes with a retweet of something he found funny? Something seems off in the "objectivity" department....


Lol and who brought this up again? Riverdog. Not me. "Fixed" my post by adding "above reproach". I replied back in jest. Still couldn't let it go. So we all debated this entire issue . . . . Again. And predictably it got out of hand . . . . Again. Somehow, at the end of it, I became the person who was still trying to justify the commen - even "twisting" to do so - and the person that intentionally restoked this fire up again was all good.

Hey if you want to believe that all your dudes from LA, Oakland and the bay are of higher moral fiber than the ones currently living and playing here, take it and run with it. Richard Sherman and Marshawn Lynch don't seem a whole lot different than a lot of the dudes I saw while working in downtown Oakland, bro. One talks tons of shyt, the other packs a gun now and again. To be honest, it is kinda funny watching a bunch of pale white people throwing skittles at Marshawn right after they finish demonizing the guys on our team. If some of you only knew.
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Re: Another Day...... Another 49er Arrested

Postby Futureite » Tue Sep 02, 2014 10:33 pm

kalibane wrote:Ah yes Future...

The other people are (alledgedly) doing it so that excuses me doing it defense. While you're busy talking about rationalizations that typically fail you should pay attention to your own advice. Because, "other people are doing it" has never stood up in court, debate or any other forum for rational argument.

You really are terrible at this. What other people doesn't matter in order to be "above reproach" so to speak all that matters is what you are (or aren't) guilty of. Do you really profess to have some sort of legal expertise to be talking all this jibber jabber?

Let me ask you something Future... do you honestly believe that no one has ever settled in game trash talk at the end of the game? Oh that's right of course you don't because Trent Williams did that and went one better by getting physical with Sherman but according to you that was justified. (More inconsistancy, what a shock). No the fact that you think you can be so presumptuous to speak to the rarity of being less than cordial after the game illustrates again that you are either just lying or you have no actual experience playing sports. People talk trash all the time... during and after games in all kinds of sports. The only difference with Sherman is someone from the national photographer happened to take a picture of if... which happened to be made into a meme by some random Seahawk fan... who then tweeted it at Richard Sherman... who found it amusing. But again context seems to disappear for you when it's convenient. I mean it's not like Harbaugh has ever had a less than cordial post game incident or anything I guess.

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Common practice has absolutely been used to argue many points. In business, economics, tax. It's actually the point to begin an argument, in a criminal case. EX: citing "normal" reactions to the loss of a loved one and comparing them with the reactions of the accused. Judicial doctrine itself is in fact the citation of common practice (ie, courts have consistently held in X situation the following). You're always telling me I suck at things that you clearly don't know jackshyt about, and at this point it's beyond old. I'm not wasting 5 more seconds if my time to educate you on any critique you make about me.

As to your point about Sherman: the guy is a collasal dick and everyone knows it. Just like everyone in the world knows ND Jennings picked that ball off. I can admit JH is a dick, or that Aldon and Justin had the two man hold game. But no matter what your guys do or say on or off the field, it's always going to be chocolates and roses. Good fn christ look at who your coach is. And you guys are talking above reproach? That's a topic you shouldn't touch with a 10 ft pole.
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Re: Another Day...... Another 49er Arrested

Postby HumanCockroach » Tue Sep 02, 2014 10:37 pm

Futureite wrote:
HumanCockroach wrote:Lame, lost post to cyberspace, regardless, I do find it interesting how quick to bash Sherman Future is, yet his coach, one he has defended over and over again, has a long history of "classy" stuff like the one posted, add in a little "merry Christmas" horn honk as the Niners left the stadium the last time they defeated Seattle her along with some of his other "class" moves and statements regarding other teams, and it's Sherman who is "hurting" the multi millionaire alpha male athletes with a retweet of something he found funny? Something seems off in the "objectivity" department....


Lol and who brought this up again? Riverdog. Not me. "Fixed" my post by adding "above reproach". I replied back in jest. Still couldn't let it go. So we all debated this entire issue . . . . Again. And predictably it got out of hand . . . . Again. Somehow, at the end of it, I became the person who was still trying to justify the commen - even "twisting" to do so - and the person that intentionally restoked this fire up again was all good.

Hey if you want to believe that all your dudes from LA, Oakland and the bay are of higher moral fiber than the ones currently living and playing here, take it and run with it. Richard Sherman and Marshawn Lynch don't seem a whole lot different than a lot of the dudes I saw while working in downtown Oakland, bro. One talks tons of shyt, the other packs a gun now and again. To be honest, it is kinda funny watching a bunch of pale white people throwing skittles at Marshawn right after they finish demonizing the guys on our team. If some of you only knew.


Don't think the color of the skin has a damn thing to do with sh!t talking, for an example look up, or you can ask Mr hurt feelings Brady, if you could point out when Lynch has been caught with the gun as well, because to the best of my knowledge, he has a citation in his past of having a buddies backpack in his trunk who happened to have a gun in it, and nothing else ( and was ONLY a citation, because there is a law against having a weapon, in this case one with a permit to have it, unlike aldons little "forgotten' little boo boo in a vehicle to cut down on drive bys, I'm sure somehow you can twist that into Lynch was planning on it).

Beyond that you are seriously reaching as always. The topic of Sherman's issues according to you spread across every topic, and has for quite some time now, whether RD stoked the fire or not, it would have at some point been brought up by you, as the go to argument. "yeah Smith circumvented laws and all, but his intent was innocent as he drove loaded and shot guns over peoples heads, now Sherman on the other hand, is a meanie! look all the wittle feelings he hurt when he laughed at that white guy, or this other white guy who was talking sh!t about him"... eventually it was going to get there, it always does, and it isn't new.. so whatever.

No one here has claimed they are all innocent, but to date, how many have been arrested? you got Lynch on a suspected DUI that was thrown out, and he was indeed under the legal limit, and Moffitt for peeing at Bellvue square, and.... um.... um..... yep that's all you got. Your turn.... GO!... ( might want to set aside some time to cover everything, the list is long and illustrious)
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Re: Another Day...... Another 49er Arrested

Postby HumanCockroach » Tue Sep 02, 2014 10:46 pm

Futureite wrote:
kalibane wrote:Ah yes Future...

The other people are (alledgedly) doing it so that excuses me doing it defense. While you're busy talking about rationalizations that typically fail you should pay attention to your own advice. Because, "other people are doing it" has never stood up in court, debate or any other forum for rational argument.

You really are terrible at this. What other people doesn't matter in order to be "above reproach" so to speak all that matters is what you are (or aren't) guilty of. Do you really profess to have some sort of legal expertise to be talking all this jibber jabber?

Let me ask you something Future... do you honestly believe that no one has ever settled in game trash talk at the end of the game? Oh that's right of course you don't because Trent Williams did that and went one better by getting physical with Sherman but according to you that was justified. (More inconsistancy, what a shock). No the fact that you think you can be so presumptuous to speak to the rarity of being less than cordial after the game illustrates again that you are either just lying or you have no actual experience playing sports. People talk trash all the time... during and after games in all kinds of sports. The only difference with Sherman is someone from the national photographer happened to take a picture of if... which happened to be made into a meme by some random Seahawk fan... who then tweeted it at Richard Sherman... who found it amusing. But again context seems to disappear for you when it's convenient. I mean it's not like Harbaugh has ever had a less than cordial post game incident or anything I guess.

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Common practice has absolutely been used to argue many points. In business, economics, tax. It's actually the point to begin an argument, in a criminal case. EX: citing "normal" reactions to the loss of a loved one and comparing them with the reactions of the accused. Judicial doctrine itself is in fact the citation of common practice (ie, courts have consistently held in X situation the following). You're always telling me I suck at things that you clearly don't know jackshyt about, and at this point it's beyond old. I'm not wasting 5 more seconds if my time to educate you on any critique you make about me.

As to your point about Sherman: the guy is a collasal dick and everyone knows it. Just like everyone in the world knows ND Jennings picked that ball off. I can admit JH is a dick, or that Aldon and Justin had the two man hold game. But no matter what your guys do or say on or off the field, it's always going to be chocolates and roses. Good fn christ look at who your coach is. And you guys are talking above reproach? That's a topic you shouldn't touch with a 10 ft pole.


This cracks me up, you are claiming everyone 'knows' what a colossal dick Sherman is, so that makes it so, while defending a guy that EVERYONE knows is the absolute dooschiest man walking the earth ( and I AM including the majority of the Niners fans as well here) . Classic Future to the fullest extent. ( as for the pick, I guess everyone KNOWS that a catch or interception can occur without ever touching the ground huh? maybe they should take a class, at least the NFL knows their own rules, so thats a boon) . As for the coach? eh, not who I would want my kids to emulate, but you know what? When asked pointed questions about the Niners little "problems" the man knew how to say they were focussed on THEIR team, and that was their only concern, which IMHO makes him TWICE the man Harbaugh could ever dream of becoming.
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Re: Another Day...... Another 49er Arrested

Postby RiverDog » Wed Sep 03, 2014 3:14 am

Futureite wrote:Lol and who brought this up again? Riverdog. Not me. "Fixed" my post by adding "above reproach". I replied back in jest. Still couldn't let it go. So we all debated this entire issue . . . . Again. And predictably it got out of hand . . . . Again. Somehow, at the end of it, I became the person who was still trying to justify the commen - even "twisting" to do so - and the person that intentionally restoked this fire up again was all good.

Hey if you want to believe that all your dudes from LA, Oakland and the bay are of higher moral fiber than the ones currently living and playing here, take it and run with it. Richard Sherman and Marshawn Lynch don't seem a whole lot different than a lot of the dudes I saw while working in downtown Oakland, bro. One talks tons of shyt, the other packs a gun now and again. To be honest, it is kinda funny watching a bunch of pale white people throwing skittles at Marshawn right after they finish demonizing the guys on our team. If some of you only knew.


It got out of hand because unlike my 'fixing' of your statement by putting words or inserting meanings into your mouth about the 'beyond reproach's statement that was done entirely in jest, you were serious when you changed words or inserted meanings that were never present in Harbaugh's statement of philosophy about being beyond reproach.
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Re: Another Day...... Another 49er Arrested

Postby kalibane » Wed Sep 03, 2014 4:18 am

Common practice does not get you off if you're guilty of committing a crime, violating some kind of ethical standard or any other impropriety. Not in court, not in a debate, not before a review board, not with parents when kids tell them all their friends are doing it.

Therefore when I come at you for your rampant inconsistancy it doesn't matter whether Riverdog has been inconsistent. I'm not even going to discuss whether the statement has merit because it is not a defense for you. Even if your accusation is correct it doesn't excuse your ridiculousness.

You are completely inconsistent in all your arguments here so much so that it's become a theme in every thread where you decide to make an appearance. You really aren't very good at this.
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Re: Another Day...... Another 49er Arrested

Postby mykc14 » Wed Sep 03, 2014 11:02 am

Ahhh... Future bringing up Tate's game winning Hail March catch against the Packers out of nowhere, classy! That was the exact date I saw you for who you were, or what you had become, rather. I have asked you a few times since then and you haven't answered, but since you bring it up. Do you still think that was 'the worst call you have ever seen in football? You probably won't answer, but just thought I might try.
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Re: Another Day...... Another 49er Arrested

Postby kalibane » Wed Sep 03, 2014 11:21 am

The funny thing about the fail mary is bad call or not people act like it would have changed the course of NFL history. Nothing would have changed. And this is especially something the Packers fans need to get through their heads.

Changing the playoff seeding wouldn't have magically imbued the Packers with the ability to defend Kaepernick in the read-option. Sooner or later they would have played the Niners and even if the game was played on the moon the Packers would still have been doing pirouettes in the middle of the field as a tall lanky tattooed man ran by them like they were a JV highschool team.

The Packers weren't getting anywhere near the Superbowl that year.
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Re: Another Day...... Another 49er Arrested

Postby HumanCockroach » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:44 pm

The weird thing to me is, that even with the information available, plus the NFL stating it was the correct call, as well as numerous examples of the same call being made by regular refs, people stiil cling to it as A) the wrong call ( which it isn't because no matter how hard Pack fans, or Future or ANYONE else argues it, possesion cannot NOT be completed until a player has possession of the ball, and TWO PARTS of a BODY on the ground, ie no such thing as possession in the air which is WHY the NFL AND the REGULAR REF EMPLOYED by the NFL CONFIRMED it was the CORRECT call) and B) it did NOT change the Packers or Seahawks position IN the playoffs, and simply was to early to effect the season moving forward. It's kind of sad really

As someone that said originally that it was a bad call, I can admit to being WRONG, some ( see above for example) simply can't..
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Re: Another Day...... Another 49er Arrested

Postby RiverDog » Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:24 pm

HumanCockroach wrote:The weird thing to me is, that even with the information available, plus the NFL stating it was the correct call, as well as numerous examples of the same call being made by regular refs, people stiil cling to it as A) the wrong call ( which it isn't because no matter how hard Pack fans, or Future or ANYONE else argues it, possesion cannot NOT be completed until a player has possession of the ball, and TWO PARTS of a BODY on the ground, ie no such thing as possession in the air which is WHY the NFL AND the REGULAR REF EMPLOYED by the NFL CONFIRMED it was the CORRECT call) and B) it did NOT change the Packers or Seahawks position IN the playoffs, and simply was to early to effect the season moving forward. It's kind of sad really

As someone that said originally that it was a bad call, I can admit to being WRONG, some ( see above for example) simply can't..


I felt it was the right call. The injustice was the no call, the OPI Tate committed just before the jump ball... and please, none of this "PI in the end zone is never called". It was way too flagrant to be excused as having occurred in the end zone.

Having said that, it was about time that we benefited from a blown call.
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Re: Another Day...... Another 49er Arrested

Postby Agent 86 » Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:34 pm

RiverDog wrote:
HumanCockroach wrote:The weird thing to me is, that even with the information available, plus the NFL stating it was the correct call, as well as numerous examples of the same call being made by regular refs, people stiil cling to it as A) the wrong call ( which it isn't because no matter how hard Pack fans, or Future or ANYONE else argues it, possesion cannot NOT be completed until a player has possession of the ball, and TWO PARTS of a BODY on the ground, ie no such thing as possession in the air which is WHY the NFL AND the REGULAR REF EMPLOYED by the NFL CONFIRMED it was the CORRECT call) and B) it did NOT change the Packers or Seahawks position IN the playoffs, and simply was to early to effect the season moving forward. It's kind of sad really

As someone that said originally that it was a bad call, I can admit to being WRONG, some ( see above for example) simply can't..


I felt it was the right call. The injustice was the no call, the OPI Tate committed just before the jump ball... and please, none of this "PI in the end zone is never called". It was way too flagrant to be excused as having occurred in the end zone.

Having said that, it was about time that we benefited from a blown call.


It was certainly one of the worst non OPI calls that I can remember.

But as HCR said, the catch itself, was in fact a catch by Tate for a TD. I don't see how anyone can dispute that.

But hey, isn't the topic about a 49'er being arrested, and how the 49'ers do things above reproach right?

Future, you gotta be in China by now man....seriously......
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Re: Another Day...... Another 49er Arrested

Postby Futureite » Wed Sep 03, 2014 9:11 pm

Lol!! First catch I have ever seen with the receiver lying underneath the defender on the ground reaching around with only one arm touching the ball, which is firmly clasped to defender's chest.

How about if I tell you about all the correct calls in the 2005 SB. We can have fun with that. Same slap in the face that you offer here to any true football fan.
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Re: Another Day...... Another 49er Arrested

Postby Hawktawk » Wed Sep 03, 2014 9:19 pm

Get it right people!!!It wasn't the fail mary. It was the Golden Hail Mary!!!! Other than the missed OPI it was indeed the right call. And as we saw since then Tate makes a lot of one handed catches. Im gonna miss that dude.

Leave it to super troll to try to change a discussion about the 9ers jailbirds into another diatribe about Sherman and childish ranting about a Seahawks W that's been in the books two seasons and one Lombardi ago.

Good luck with that new sod in the big zipper dude. Enjoy your 6-10 season.
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Re: Another Day...... Another 49er Arrested

Postby Futureite » Wed Sep 03, 2014 9:35 pm

Hawktawk wrote:Get it right people!!!It wasn't the fail mary. It was the Golden Hail Mary!!!! Other than the missed OPI it was indeed the right call. And as we saw since then Tate makes a lot of one handed catches. Im gonna miss that dude.

Leave it to super troll to try to change a discussion about the 9ers jailbirds into another diatribe about Sherman and childish ranting about a Seahawks W that's been in the books two seasons and one Lombardi ago.

Good luck with that new sod in the big zipper dude. Enjoy your 6-10 season.


Change? I made both statements you're referring to at the end of one paragraph to illustrate a point. Which ironically clearly demonstrates how ridiculous some of you sound. That's how fn stupid this has become. Like I have some devious plot to distract from the dialigue that your own longtime poster provoked. Look at where it began and look at my response dude.

You'd get laughed out of any sports bar outside of Seattle claiming that as a catch or "Irvin is just telling the truth". It's really a bizarre, bizarre thing you guys got going on up there. No one is proud of the 49ers legal transgressions in the bay dude, myself included. We are just not obsessed with proving some level of moral superiority the way you guys are (why, who knows).

6-10. Ok. . . . . I've got you at 11-5 with a 20-12 W tomorrow.
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Re: Another Day...... Another 49er Arrested

Postby HumanCockroach » Wed Sep 03, 2014 9:41 pm

Was an apology issued to GB? No? Then tuff cookies, right call, the end of it. To bad you aren't aware of the rules, but that is your cross to bare not ours. We have to accept the questionable calls in XL, that is our cross not yours, and yet the NFL issued apologies, didn't fine Holmgren for publicly critisising the officials, and received an apology from the Ref who blew multiple calls ( by the way, multiple calls WERE indeed backed by the rules and NOT judgement calls). Anyway you want to slice it, possession CANNOT be gained without touching down inbounds with two body parts ( something Jennings did NOT do prior to Tate getting his hands on the ball) control is defined by touching down AND control OR simulteinious possession of the ball (meaning one, two hands, or an arm and one hand or ANY other form of "control" of the ball, meaning when both players hit the ground, not BEFORE as you stupidly continue to assert, and TATE NOT Jennings hand TWO Hands on the Football as opposed to Jennings with ONE as he fruitlessly attempts to peal Tates TWO hands off the football) AND it does NOT matter if a defenders body is between the receiver and the football, as possession is "control" not WHERE the body of a defender is, IN THE CASE OF SIMULTANEOUS POSSESSION, THE TIE GOES TO THE OFFENSIVE PLAYER. Always has, and always will, just because you aren't bright enough to read and interpret the rules correctly, doesn't change a damn thing, and it does NOT matter if 99.9% of all people view it the same way, those ARE the rules, and they HAVEN'T changed in the least, IF a regular ref called it differently, the ref would be actually making the WRONG call .

It frightens me a bit, how casually a law person blatantly uses 'MASS perception" as justification about why something is correct even IF the "law" ( or rules in this case that have been on the books for DECADES) says in black and white, what is right ( a catch) and wrong ( interception), learn the rules of the game, and get back to us, until then, let the grown ups talk.
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Re: Another Day...... Another 49er Arrested

Postby Hawktawk » Wed Sep 03, 2014 10:24 pm

The REGULAR(not replacement) replay officials declined to overturn the play and they were watching the same film as everyone else. Goody is too stupid to know the rules so he apologized to the fans. It was his own idiocy and greed that put Seattle in that position anyway.There were something like 40 flags in the game including one that helped GB score their only TD of the game. Y know after this discussion Maybe the Hawks will be the ones with something to prove on Thursday.

Oh and Future I have you at 6-10 . I really believe it will happen.I'm hoping for 0-16 but even as dysfunctional as the organization is there's enough talent to win 6
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Re: Another Day...... Another 49er Arrested

Postby RiverDog » Thu Sep 04, 2014 5:28 am

Futureite wrote:Lol!! First catch I have ever seen with the receiver lying underneath the defender on the ground reaching around with only one arm touching the ball, which is firmly clasped to defender's chest.

How about if I tell you about all the correct calls in the 2005 SB. We can have fun with that. Same slap in the face that you offer here to any true football fan.


It was impossible to tell who had possession of that ball, and as most of us know, the tie goes to the receiver. What you really ought to be complaining about is the OPI no call. That one was as flagrant as they come and happened right in front of the refs. Contrast that OPI with the one called on DJack in SB XL, which also occurred in the end zone.

We Seahawks have been stuck holding the chit end of the stick for decades. One of the most flagrant bad calls in NFL history, one that directly led to the re-instatement of instant replay, was called against us in the Vinny Testaverde helmet touchdown, one that caused us to miss the playoffs and led to the dismissal of our head coach. And of course, there was XL, which has subsequently been referred to as one of the most one sided and poorly officiated championship contests in the history of professional sports. So I don't ever want to hear any opposition fans like yourself whining about us benefiting from a bad call in a regular season game in September.
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Re: Another Day...... Another 49er Arrested

Postby c_hawkbob » Thu Sep 04, 2014 5:51 am

It was not ruled a catch while they were lying on the ground. Nor while they had their feet off the ground. The moment it was a catch was when Tate's feet both were on the ground (at which point the defenders feet were not on the ground) and he was at least 50% in possession of the ball, per the rule book.

Which is why it was upheld in an after the fact review by the head of the "real refs".
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Re: Another Day...... Another 49er Arrested

Postby FolkCrusader » Thu Sep 04, 2014 7:49 am

c_hawkbob wrote:It was not ruled a catch while they were lying on the ground. Nor while they had their feet off the ground. The moment it was a catch was when Tate's feet both were on the ground (at which point the defenders feet were not on the ground) and he was at least 50% in possession of the ball, per the rule book.

Which is why it was upheld in an after the fact review by the head of the "real refs".


Thank you Bob. It's also why the NFL, after looking at it the next day said it was a correct call.

Granted, it looked wrong because Jennings high points the ball but as you say a catch can not be ruled a catch in the air.
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Re: Another Day...... Another 49er Arrested

Postby kalibane » Thu Sep 04, 2014 8:54 am

Who cares? This is the dumbest debated "bad call" of all time. People act like this play that occurred in 2012 led to Seattle winning the Super Bowl in February or something.

It did not affect anything. The Seahawks still go to Atlanta as the wild card and the Packers still go to San Fran and lose in the divisionals. There was litterally no impact on how the season played out. And if the Packers need more motivation to win the game than the season opener on prime time against the defending super bowl champions that very well could end up determining home field advantage for the Playoffs, then they have way more to worry about than avenging a meaningless "bad call".
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Re: Another Day...... Another 49er Arrested

Postby c_hawkbob » Thu Sep 04, 2014 9:07 am

kalibane wrote:Who cares? This is the dumbest debated "bad call" of all time. People act like this play that occurred in 2012 led to Seattle winning the Super Bowl in February or something.

It did not affect anything. The Seahawks still go to Atlanta as the wild card and the Packers still go to San Fran and lose in the divisionals. There was litterally no impact on how the season played out. And if the Packers need more motivation to win the game than the season opener on prime time against the defending super bowl champions that very well could end up determining home field advantage for the Playoffs, then they have way more to worry about than avenging a meaningless "bad call".


Well, it did effect the hold out/strike/whatever it was by the officials ... other than that i agree with you entirely.
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Re: Another Day...... Another 49er Arrested

Postby Agent 86 » Thu Sep 04, 2014 12:25 pm

HumanCockroach wrote:Was an apology issued to GB? No? Then tuff cookies, right call, the end of it. To bad you aren't aware of the rules, but that is your cross to bare not ours. We have to accept the questionable calls in XL, that is our cross not yours, and yet the NFL issued apologies, didn't fine Holmgren for publicly critisising the officials, and received an apology from the Ref who blew multiple calls ( by the way, multiple calls WERE indeed backed by the rules and NOT judgement calls). Anyway you want to slice it, possession CANNOT be gained without touching down inbounds with two body parts ( something Jennings did NOT do prior to Tate getting his hands on the ball) control is defined by touching down AND control OR simulteinious possession of the ball (meaning one, two hands, or an arm and one hand or ANY other form of "control" of the ball, meaning when both players hit the ground, not BEFORE as you stupidly continue to assert, and TATE NOT Jennings hand TWO Hands on the Football as opposed to Jennings with ONE as he fruitlessly attempts to peal Tates TWO hands off the football) AND it does NOT matter if a defenders body is between the receiver and the football, as possession is "control" not WHERE the body of a defender is, IN THE CASE OF SIMULTANEOUS POSSESSION, THE TIE GOES TO THE OFFENSIVE PLAYER. Always has, and always will, just because you aren't bright enough to read and interpret the rules correctly, doesn't change a damn thing, and it does NOT matter if 99.9% of all people view it the same way, those ARE the rules, and they HAVEN'T changed in the least, IF a regular ref called it differently, the ref would be actually making the WRONG call .

It frightens me a bit, how casually a law person blatantly uses 'MASS perception" as justification about why something is correct even IF the "law" ( or rules in this case that have been on the books for DECADES) says in black and white, what is right ( a catch) and wrong ( interception), learn the rules of the game, and get back to us, until then, let the grown ups talk.


LOL....I can honestly say sometimes I don't get why people feed Future because its what he probably wants, but seriously between HCR and Kalibane, I can see why you guys just keep on drilling him. It's not even remotely fair, it's just beatdown after beatdown to a guy who has crumbled down to troll status, a guy who never expected what happened between December 2012 - February 2014 to actually happen, a guy who fully expected his team to win the big one before the Hawks, and a guy who had spiraled downward because he had no idea how to deal with it, especially on a Seahawks forum.

Anyone remember Palmetto Warrior??...now that was a guy from another team who had the full respect of everyone here. And he didn't suck up to us either. He spoke honestly, but realized where he was, and thus, had the common sense to debate in a really respectful and honest way, but had the nards to do it firmly and stand up for what he thought.

Wish we had a guy like him back in here.
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Re: Another Day...... Another 49er Arrested

Postby burrrton » Thu Sep 04, 2014 3:42 pm

Anyone remember Palmetto Warrior??


Raiders fan, or was he Rams?
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Re: Another Day...... Another 49er Arrested

Postby Agent 86 » Thu Sep 04, 2014 3:46 pm

burrrton wrote:
Anyone remember Palmetto Warrior??


Raiders fan, or was he Rams?


Would you believe a Raiders fan?

Uh, how about a Rams fan?

Would you settle for a Redskins fan?
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Re: Another Day...... Another 49er Arrested

Postby burrrton » Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:31 am

Agent 86 wrote:
burrrton wrote:
Anyone remember Palmetto Warrior??


Raiders fan, or was he Rams?


Would you believe a Raiders fan?

Uh, how about a Rams fan?

Would you settle for a Redskins fan?


Skins- that's right. They kind of meld together, I guess.
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