I am doing this anyway

[Futureite]

Ready to enjoy this game. And this is admittedly f'd up. But internet or not, I'm not going to allow a couple of the usual suspects off the hook 3 days or a week later calling me x, y and z, claimng my opinion is shared by none or requesting 10 links to prove a quote So while it's still fresh in everyone's mind:

Rodney Harrison, 10 minutes ago:

"Let's face it. RIchard Sherman grabs and holds more than any corner in the league".

[4XPIPS]

I saw it too, and let's just enjoy the new year together Future. So no need to get into a pickle yet.

[jshawaii22]

NO, Browner did and will not survive without it in NE. But, we'll all watch the same game tonight and you can watch for penalties for yourself. I hope you can enjoy the game. It's a game, you know...

js

[kalibane]

And yet even with the new emphasis on illegal contact and defensive holding the best QB in the NFL opts to not take advantage of the grabbiest corner in the NFL by completely avoiding him for the entire first half.


It's a good thing that everything pundits say is gospel... How about this little nugget previewing the 49ers on Peter King's site:

"But when it comes to the mental and fundamental aspects, Kaepernick is still unripe. Too often he flees the pocket without even getting to the top of his drop, which is the mark of a quarterback who either has no idea what to do on a certain play or no idea what he’s seeing (or both). If Kaepernick’s first read is not open, the play immediately becomes randomized. Not surprisingly, Harbaugh and Roman don’t even ask the 26-year-old to drop back and scan both sides of the field. And Kaepernick’s understanding of how routes are synchronized and intersected is primitive, at least in terms of how they relate to various coverages."

Gonna go out on a limb though and say you probably would say since you disagree with this point of view it's not true. Your interminable hard on for Richard Sherman is getting really boring.

[Anthony]

Ready to enjoy this game. And this is admittedly f'd up. But internet or not, I'm not going to allow a couple of the usual suspects off the hook 3 days or a week later calling me x, y and z, claimng my opinion is shared by none or requesting 10 links to prove a quote So while it's still fresh in everyone's mind:

Rodney Harrison, 10 minutes ago:

"Let's face it. RIchard Sherman grabs and holds more than any corner in the league".

OH so one guy says it and it is a fact and yet they also said Sherman was the least called CB in the league on that so I guess once again I will take that fact over some ones opinion and you can still be wrong.

[Distant Relative]

I'm tellin you guys Future is CP reincarnated.

[Hawk Sista]

And then they showed footage of Sherm. The footage showed legal coverage. And then they spoke of GB's corner & showed footage of him in coverage. He did the same thing but WAY WORSE... Illegal even w/ NO mention of the grabbing! It's subjective & media driven. So whatever. How many penalties did our secondary get? How many yards did the NFL poster boy get? Azzzzzz whuppin!

Nuff said. Go away

[Distant Relative]

And then they showed footage of Sherm. The footage showed legal coverage. And then they spoke of GB's corner & showed footage of him in coverage. He did the same thing but WAY WORSE... Illegal even w/ NO mention of the grabbing! It's subjective & media driven. So whatever. How many penalties did our secondary get? How many yards did the NFL poster boy get? Azzzzzz whuppin!

Nuff said. Go away

What She said!

[Futureite]

And yet even with the new emphasis on illegal contact and defensive holding the best QB in the NFL opts to not take advantage of the grabbiest corner in the NFL by completely avoiding him for the entire first half.


It's a good thing that everything pundits say is gospel... How about this little nugget previewing the 49ers on Peter King's site:

"But when it comes to the mental and fundamental aspects, Kaepernick is still unripe. Too often he flees the pocket without even getting to the top of his drop, which is the mark of a quarterback who either has no idea what to do on a certain play or no idea what he’s seeing (or both). If Kaepernick’s first read is not open, the play immediately becomes randomized. Not surprisingly, Harbaugh and Roman don’t even ask the 26-year-old to drop back and scan both sides of the field. And Kaepernick’s understanding of how routes are synchronized and intersected is primitive, at least in terms of how they relate to various coverages."

Gonna go out on a limb though and say you probably would say since you disagree with this point of view it's not true. Your interminable hard on for Richard Sherman is getting really boring.

Yep. I was curious to see if the new rules would effect them. As I posted before, if there were any dropoff I expected it to be minimal. If at all. But man your D is good. In all honesty they are fun to watch.

Just thought it was funny how a statement I make as a "troll" is also made in front of the entire country by an ex NFL safety. I wonder how many of you called him a "troll" when he said that.

Anyhow, not exactly the time for you to be knocking our QB. Like I've also posted before, RW is good. But nothing he does from the pocket looks elite to me. He threw several balls that easily could have been picked and were simply bad decisions, threw a bunch of short passes and threw 2 tds on a screen and a fake read option. The only homers are the ones predicting these monster statistical yrs for RW and Brees like mastery of O. When you get down to it, your O is still based off Lynch - always will be - screens and deep playaction shots. I appreciate RW for who he is and what he does, but he is not the guy you've wanted him to be.

[mykc14]

And yet even with the new emphasis on illegal contact and defensive holding the best QB in the NFL opts to not take advantage of the grabbiest corner in the NFL by completely avoiding him for the entire first half.


It's a good thing that everything pundits say is gospel... How about this little nugget previewing the 49ers on Peter King's site:

"But when it comes to the mental and fundamental aspects, Kaepernick is still unripe. Too often he flees the pocket without even getting to the top of his drop, which is the mark of a quarterback who either has no idea what to do on a certain play or no idea what he’s seeing (or both). If Kaepernick’s first read is not open, the play immediately becomes randomized. Not surprisingly, Harbaugh and Roman don’t even ask the 26-year-old to drop back and scan both sides of the field. And Kaepernick’s understanding of how routes are synchronized and intersected is primitive, at least in terms of how they relate to various coverages."

Gonna go out on a limb though and say you probably would say since you disagree with this point of view it's not true. Your interminable hard on for Richard Sherman is getting really boring.

Yep. I was curious to see if the new rules would effect them. As I posted before, if there were any dropoff I expected it to be minimal. If at all. But man your D is good. In all honesty they are fun to watch.

Just thought it was funny how a statement I make as a "troll" is also made in front of the entire country by an ex NFL safety. I wonder how many of you called him a "troll" when he said that.

Anyhow, not exactly the time for you to be knocking our QB. Like I've also posted before, RW is good. But nothing he does from the pocket looks elite to me. He threw several balls that easily could have been picked and were simply bad decisions, threw a bunch of short passes and threw 2 tds on a screen and a fake read option. The only homers are the ones predicting these monster statistical yrs for RW and Brees like mastery of O. When you get down to it, your O is still based off Lynch - always will be - screens and deep playaction shots. I appreciate RW for who he is and what he does, but he is not the guy you've wanted him to be.

We clearly have a different definition for the word 'serveral.' He made 1 bad throw/decision, the one to Miller that should have been picked. The other pass that could have been picked, was a deep throw to Baldwin with 19 sec left in the half, I have no problem with that throw at all.

The TD to Coleman was not a screen, sorry you continually prove a low football IQ when you try and discuss the intricacies of the sport.

Two seasons played, 1 SB win. The most wins by a qb in their first 2 years in the NFL. 2 Pro-Bowl seasons. 2nd most TD passes thrown in their first 2 season, do I really need to go on? He is BETTER than the guy we could have ever hoped he would be. Again, this statement causes you to look like you don't know anything about the sport. He is everything his coach is asking him to be and he absolutely is the guy we have said he is, sorry you are not as convinced about yours.

[HumanCockroach]

You are called x,y and z because of posts like this.

Secondly, wasn't Harrison considered the dirtiest player in the game for like five years running? I would take his evaluation of good defensive back play with a grain of salt if I was you.

( by the way, interesting little note on Seattle last year. Seattle was the ONLY team in the NFL to NOT be penalised for illegal contact. People TRY to make it a big deal, but seriously FAIL in regards to it. They also had a total of FIVE defensive holds, which was also amongst the league leaders for lowest amount. Seems to me, that trolls like Harrison and you, are clueless).

[THX-1138]

Future-domus:

Does it get depressing being wrong all the time? I mean, coming to your chief rival's forum and typing stuff that immediately get's blown out of the water by what we see in the game? Richard Sherman TOOK AWAY HALF OF THE FOOTBALL FIELD FROM THE GOLDEN BOY RODGERS! And this after the "New Emphasis On Defensive Contact In The Secondary". Not. One. Attempt.

You seriously don't know when to shut up, do you? You start a fight by trolling and then when you get trolled back you whine. A quote from Rodney Harrison? Really? Bring your A stuff or stay on the bench and sit all quiet like. It's like trash talking with Middle Schoolers. There is no sport in it.

[kalibane]

Future,

When people were ripping your offense in the preseason I expressed an opinion that Kaepernick showed improvement, contrary to that quote I just provided. My point is it doesn't matter what Harrison said any more than it matters what this guy said about Kaepernick. Just because one talking head happens to agree with your assessment doesn't make it true.

I provided a published film study of Richard Sherman's 2013 season that broke down every single snap he was on the field. Did you read it? I doubt it. Because you keep coming back with what some talking head on television said. So according to Rodney Harrison holds more than any corner in the game but he wasn't flagged more than anyone. To have you tell it Sherman is an above average corner who only appears good because he grabs and holds on every single play. While Earl Thomas gives help over the top. He had the same amount of defensive holding penalties as Joe Haden. Only two more than Patrick Peterson. Zero illegal contact penalties. The actual facts don't substantiate your claims.

And when you are presented with the actual facts and/or very detailed analysis you choose to ignore it in favor of your unsubstantiated sound bite.

The Packers, who have the best QB in the league, built their offensive game plan around completely avoiding throwing at Richard Sherman. Which makes no sense if he holds more than any DB in the game in a year where defensive holding is a point of emphasis. That says way more than Rodney Harrison spouting off at the mouth in a pre-game show.

Regarding Russell Wilson, but Tony Dungy says that Russell Wilson reminds him of Joe Montana and Dan Patrick agreed. Clearly that means he is the 2nd coming. Somehow that doesn't mean anything though because it doesn't jibe with what your personal opinion is. What Rodney Harrison said on the other hand (since it agrees with your personal opinion) was worthy of it's own thread.

Then you wonder why you're considered an imbicile.

[HumanCockroach]

"Regarding Russell Wilson, but Tony Dungy says that Russell Wilson reminds him of Joe Montana and Dan Patrick agreed. Clearly that means he is the 2nd coming. Somehow that doesn't mean anything though because it doesn't jibe with what your personal opinion is. What Rodney Harrison said on the other hand (since it agrees with your personal opinion) was worthy of it's own thread.

Then you wonder why you're considered an imbicile."



Because he'll miss it, ignore it, or can't focus long enough to get to the end of that post.

[burrrton]

Ok, I'm just going to say it:

Mike and Mike, 10 minutes ago: "That Seattle offense doesn't scare anyone."

People who are paid to pay attention to the entire league spout a lot of cliches, bromides, and conventional wisdom. "RICHARD SHERMAN HOLD MORE THAN ANEEEONE" is one of those things.

[edit- and I've gotta throw out a little LOL for Future not being able to resist illustrating once again how mind-fcked he is over Sherm!]

[burrrton]

Just thought it was funny how a statement I make as a "troll" is also made in front of the entire country by an ex NFL safety.

That's because you ostensibly watch the Hawks pretty closely- you're not in a studio every Sunday getting paid to be able to say something, anything, about every team and every game.

You shouldn't be reduced to cliches- talking heads often are.

[mykc14]

Ok, I'm just going to say it:

Mike and Mike, 10 minutes ago: "That Seattle offense doesn't scare anyone."

People who are paid to pay attention to the entire league spout a lot of cliches, bromides, and conventional wisdom. "RICHARD SHERMAN HOLD MORE THAN ANEEEONE" is one of those things.

[edit- and I've gotta throw out a little LOL for Future not being able to resist illustrating once again how mind-fcked he is over Sherm!]

Wow, did they really say that? That is funny. Which Mike said it? I only ask because usually they aren't skip bayless/colin cowherd attention grabbers who spout of crap just to get a reaction. That is funny I guarantee you Percy, Beast, and RW scare every O coordinator in the league and would on any team they play for but especially playing on the same O together.

[Agent 86]

And yet even with the new emphasis on illegal contact and defensive holding the best QB in the NFL opts to not take advantage of the grabbiest corner in the NFL by completely avoiding him for the entire first half.


It's a good thing that everything pundits say is gospel... How about this little nugget previewing the 49ers on Peter King's site:

"But when it comes to the mental and fundamental aspects, Kaepernick is still unripe. Too often he flees the pocket without even getting to the top of his drop, which is the mark of a quarterback who either has no idea what to do on a certain play or no idea what he’s seeing (or both). If Kaepernick’s first read is not open, the play immediately becomes randomized. Not surprisingly, Harbaugh and Roman don’t even ask the 26-year-old to drop back and scan both sides of the field. And Kaepernick’s understanding of how routes are synchronized and intersected is primitive, at least in terms of how they relate to various coverages."

Gonna go out on a limb though and say you probably would say since you disagree with this point of view it's not true. Your interminable hard on for Richard Sherman is getting really boring.

Yep. I was curious to see if the new rules would effect them. As I posted before, if there were any dropoff I expected it to be minimal. If at all. But man your D is good. In all honesty they are fun to watch.

Just thought it was funny how a statement I make as a "troll" is also made in front of the entire country by an ex NFL safety. I wonder how many of you called him a "troll" when he said that.

Anyhow, not exactly the time for you to be knocking our QB. Like I've also posted before, RW is good. But nothing he does from the pocket looks elite to me. He threw several balls that easily could have been picked and were simply bad decisions, threw a bunch of short passes and threw 2 tds on a screen and a fake read option. The only homers are the ones predicting these monster statistical yrs for RW and Brees like mastery of O. When you get down to it, your O is still based off Lynch - always will be - screens and deep playaction shots. I appreciate RW for who he is and what he does, but he is not the guy you've wanted him to be.

We clearly have a different definition for the word 'serveral.' He made 1 bad throw/decision, the one to Miller that should have been picked. The other pass that could have been picked, was a deep throw to Baldwin with 19 sec left in the half, I have no problem with that throw at all.

The TD to Coleman was not a screen, sorry you continually prove a low football IQ when you try and discuss the intricacies of the sport.

Two seasons played, 1 SB win. The most wins by a qb in their first 2 years in the NFL. 2 Pro-Bowl seasons. 2nd most TD passes thrown in their first 2 season, do I really need to go on? He is BETTER than the guy we could have ever hoped he would be. Again, this statement causes you to look like you don't know anything about the sport. He is everything his coach is asking him to be and he absolutely is the guy we have said he is, sorry you are not as convinced about yours.

Can you believe someone actually said RW3 is not the guy we have wanted him to be after what mykc14 listed above??

And to post this comment the morning after the Super Banner was raised. Classic stuff.

Seriously, that is the stupidest thing said in a long list of stupid things said.

[burrrton]

Wow, did they really say that? That is funny. Which Mike said it?

Yep- that's paraphrased, but the gist is accurate. It was Greenberg looking for rationale for why SEA was going to struggle more than expected this year (passing game no threat, so Lynch would be leaned on too much, and he's old, etc).

[mykc14]

Wow, did they really say that? That is funny. Which Mike said it?

Yep- that's paraphrased, but the gist is accurate. It was Greenberg looking for rationale for why SEA was going to struggle more than expected this year (passing game no threat, so Lynch would be leaned on too much, and he's old, etc).

I don't have a problem with people questioning how good the Hawks might be, I mean it's their job, but to categorize their O as not scary after last night is laughable. This O is every bit as scary as any O in the NFL right now.

[kalibane]

True. Even if it's a "gimmick" just like the read-option coordinators really won't be able to really scheme against it until the offseason.

But it's really not the concepts that make the offense scary. It's Percy Harvin aka "the worst trade in franchise history". He alters everything that defenses have to do. If he goes out in the pattern he takes the top off the defense. If he goes in motion on the jet sweep he takes LBs out of the box.

Part of it I'm sure was due to the Packers being soft up front without B.J. Raji but there were several runs by Lynch and/or Turbin where accounting for Harvin forced defenses to commit fewer guys to the box and then caused a split second hesitation until they figure out where the ball is actually going. Consequently those runs with Harvin in motion Lynch and Turbin had holes opened in the first level of the defense that you could literrally drive a golf cart through.

Offense looked impressive... and defensive coordinators are not going to have fun in their preparation. If you don't have fast linebackers it's going to be really tough to deal with.

[Futureite]

Ya it was childish. I posted it to illustrate a point; that other people share my opinions. Knowledgeable people. Does not mean I am right. Just means it's not complete BS as is always stated. I was not about to have another Anthony type badger me to post link or claim I lied.

Interesting point made by Darren Woodson this morning; he grilled Rodgers for not going after Sherman. Said if you are the best or want to be the best, you go at the opposing team's best. I do believe we argued this point with Kaep's "terrible" "choke" decision in the NFCCCG. Well, here is another pro athlete saying to DO just that - go at Sherman. Rodger's didn't, so instead he stalled in the redzone. Maybe it's time to admit all of the things I post are not out in left field.

If I am honest, I do not know how you still look at Wilson and claim he is miles above Kaep. If Kaep had that game against what is obviously a bad GB D, you all would roast him. You'd roast him for the ball that Shields (or whoever it was) jumped and nearly picked, the deep ball he threw into double coverage, and especially the fake read option TD throw. Because of course, Kaep is the read option guy. RW is not better than Kaep and neither are better than.Luck. Period.

You guys have a great all around team. You are the standard right now. I can appreciate an awesome team when I see it.

Go Niners!

[burrrton]

Knowledgeable people.

He's not "knowledgeable" in the way you're trying to use it, though. He "knows" how to play defensive back- he does *not* "know" anything about Richard Sherman except cliches.

If Kaep had that game against what is obviously a bad GB D, you all would roast him.

LOL. Uh huh.

[Hawktown]

HAHA, SO Laughable!!!

[RiverDog]

Ready to enjoy this game. And this is admittedly f'd up. But internet or not, I'm not going to allow a couple of the usual suspects off the hook 3 days or a week later calling me x, y and z, claimng my opinion is shared by none or requesting 10 links to prove a quote So while it's still fresh in everyone's mind:

Rodney Harrison, 10 minutes ago:

"Let's face it. RIchard Sherman grabs and holds more than any corner in the league".

Yet even though the league has created what is in effect the "Sherman Rule", ie calling interference penalties much closer on both offense and defense, Aaron Rodgers, with full knowledge of this increased emphasis, challenged Sherman exactly zero times last night. That's zero, nothing, nada. zippo.

So go ask Rodgers if he thinks Sherman holds more than any other corner in the league, and if he says that he does, then ask him why he didn't at least throw the ball towards Sherman at least once in the hope of drawing one of those increased emphasis penalties.

[HumanCockroach]

Wow, did they really say that? That is funny. Which Mike said it?

Yep- that's paraphrased, but the gist is accurate. It was Greenberg looking for rationale for why SEA was going to struggle more than expected this year (passing game no threat, so Lynch would be leaned on too much, and he's old, etc).

I don't have a problem with people questioning how good the Hawks might be, I mean it's their job, but to categorize their O as not scary after last night is laughable. This O is every bit as scary as any O in the NFL right now.

To be fair, it was either a replay ( as I heard the same thing Thursday BEFORE the game) or they were simply holding true to the nonsense they had already professed ( on a side note, they also discussed how the illegal contact would bear a lot of attention because of all of it the Seahawks did, uneducated, as Future is in this regard, illegal contact penalties on Seattle for all of last season, this pre season and first game, well if you dismiss the one on Simon that was called and apologised for by the NFL, equals 0, none,Nada).

[kalibane]

Stop Future... Great Darren Woodson said Rodgers should go at Sherman. You might have scored a point if that's what my argument was. Too bad it wasn't.

I never said you should never throw on Sherman. My argument is you don't throw THAT PARTICULAR PATTERN on Sherman. I've been saying it for over a year and a half well before Kaep threw his first interception on a fade to Sherman. History bares that out. Over the past two seasons Sherman has only given up one completion on a deep sideline route... zero on a fade... ONE... IN TWO YEARS.

On the Other hand throwing those deep sideline routes has resulted in 6 or 7 interceptions (counting the tipped balls to Earl and Smith). Furthermore, since you put SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much stock in what current/former players say. In the lead up to the Superbowl when asked if he would avoid Richard Sherman, Peyton Manning said he would not avoid him but there are certain throws that he wouldn't attempt. Asked to elaborate he cited the fade pattern.

And then what happened in the Superbowl. Manning avoided Richard Sherman altogether. In three playoff games Sherman was only thrown at 7 times.

The "smartest QB in the history of the league" says he wouldn't throw a fade against Sherman but here you are 9 months later still insisting it wasn't a dumb idea.

And sorry bruh... Wilson has outplayed Luck over the past two seasons. It's really not even close. Career 57% completion percentage. The standard to be considered a "good" QB has been 60%+ for over 20 years now it's pushing into the 65%-70% territory. He's also wildly inconsistant. He'll be terrible for 2 quarters and then look like the best QB in the world for a quarter. It's the same problem with Patrick Peterson that people want to ignore. We're not talking about a bad game either. We're talking about most of his games that's how they go. The problem with that is you run into a good team and you can't just flip the switch and you get embarrassed by Tom Brady in the playoffs.

Unti you're conisistant you aren't the best just because you have every possible physical tool and fundamentals that you could possibly want in a player. You still have to apply it with consistancy. People are trading on what they believe that Luck and Peterson will become. But they aren't there yet no matter how bad they want them to be.

If you can't see how far Wilson is ahead of Kaep in terms of QB play you're just blind and it's really not even worth debating.

[Futureite]

Future,

When people were ripping your offense in the preseason I expressed an opinion that Kaepernick showed improvement, contrary to that quote I just provided. My point is it doesn't matter what Harrison said any more than it matters what this guy said about Kaepernick. Just because one talking head happens to agree with your assessment doesn't make it true.

I provided a published film study of Richard Sherman's 2013 season that broke down every single snap he was on the field. Did you read it? I doubt it. Because you keep coming back with what some talking head on television said. So according to Rodney Harrison holds more than any corner in the game but he wasn't flagged more than anyone. To have you tell it Sherman is an above average corner who only appears good because he grabs and holds on every single play. While Earl Thomas gives help over the top. He had the same amount of defensive holding penalties as Joe Haden. Only two more than Patrick Peterson. Zero illegal contact penalties. The actual facts don't substantiate your claims.

And when you are presented with the actual facts and/or very detailed analysis you choose to ignore it in favor of your unsubstantiated sound bite.

The Packers, who have the best QB in the league, built their offensive game plan around completely avoiding throwing at Richard Sherman. Which makes no sense if he holds more than any DB in the game in a year where defensive holding is a point of emphasis. That says way more than Rodney Harrison spouting off at the mouth in a pre-game show.

Regarding Russell Wilson, but Tony Dungy says that Russell Wilson reminds him of Joe Montana and Dan Patrick agreed. Clearly that means he is the 2nd coming. Somehow that doesn't mean anything though because it doesn't jibe with what your personal opinion is. What Rodney Harrison said on the other hand (since it agrees with your personal opinion) was worthy of it's own thread.

Then you wonder why you're considered an imbicile.

I do not believe Harrison's comment validated my opinion. I hope that is not how my statement was taken. It just means my opinion is shared by others. It also means I do not intentionally misquote people to support my opinion. That's all.

Dungy's and Patrick's statements are fine. I'd never call you out for saying "Hey RW is great and people that know the game agree".

What I will do is dispute all the negative things said about our QB in comparison to RW. When you put this guy up on a level that some of you have, 170+ yds and a couple dink wide open TDs agsindt s very bad D at home doesn't exactly cash the "Krsppernick" checks a lot of you have written over the past yrs. In fact, I think if RW came into Clink as sn opposing QB V your D he'd play worse than Kaep has up there.

But again, that is just my opinion. And has been here for quite a while.

[Hawktawk]

Anyone who thinks Kap is as good as Wilson is high. Its a laughable comparison right now. Kap has the "measurables" including his IQ which appears to check in at about 80. Luck has the measurables too, ie all those turnovers. Wilson is the best of the young guns for sure, and IMO is a top 5 guy or better in the entire league......

[kalibane]

There is no reason to bring up Harrison's comments unless you're trying to validate your own. We can read... We know you aren't the only lazy minded victim of the 24 hour news cycle churning out narratives with little basis in reality.

You and your ilk are misinformed and ridiculous. To this day, with all this supposed football knowledge you'd have us think you have, you still haven't been able to tell us Richard Sherman's actual one coverage flaw that could be spun into weakness (which is also why I know you didn't read the two film studies of the top corners I posted months ago). Everything you come up with is spun out of shows like First Take. You haven't said anything that hasn't been spoon fed to you by an entertainment driven media source.

Hell you (like most people) didn't even realize that the Seahawks ran a Cover 3 until last season. All through 2012 you and your ilk were running around talking about how the Seahawks just play press man and rough receivers up. Then at some point in 2013 when someone in the media read football outsiders and realized... wait it's not man 2 man it's a cover 3 everything out of your figurative mouth changed... then the narrative changed to well he's not a true man 2 man corner and is aided by the zone system he plays in even though the previous year that's all you thought he was. and fyi... Sherman grades out significantly better in man coverage than zone.

All the ideas about what to be critical of the Seahawks about are perfectly timed to match up for when the popular media started chirping them...

So yes we know you aren't the only one saying them. When someone doesn't have original ideas of their own they have to crib them from somewhere.

[mykc14]

Future,

When people were ripping your offense in the preseason I expressed an opinion that Kaepernick showed improvement, contrary to that quote I just provided. My point is it doesn't matter what Harrison said any more than it matters what this guy said about Kaepernick. Just because one talking head happens to agree with your assessment doesn't make it true.

I provided a published film study of Richard Sherman's 2013 season that broke down every single snap he was on the field. Did you read it? I doubt it. Because you keep coming back with what some talking head on television said. So according to Rodney Harrison holds more than any corner in the game but he wasn't flagged more than anyone. To have you tell it Sherman is an above average corner who only appears good because he grabs and holds on every single play. While Earl Thomas gives help over the top. He had the same amount of defensive holding penalties as Joe Haden. Only two more than Patrick Peterson. Zero illegal contact penalties. The actual facts don't substantiate your claims.

And when you are presented with the actual facts and/or very detailed analysis you choose to ignore it in favor of your unsubstantiated sound bite.

The Packers, who have the best QB in the league, built their offensive game plan around completely avoiding throwing at Richard Sherman. Which makes no sense if he holds more than any DB in the game in a year where defensive holding is a point of emphasis. That says way more than Rodney Harrison spouting off at the mouth in a pre-game show.

Regarding Russell Wilson, but Tony Dungy says that Russell Wilson reminds him of Joe Montana and Dan Patrick agreed. Clearly that means he is the 2nd coming. Somehow that doesn't mean anything though because it doesn't jibe with what your personal opinion is. What Rodney Harrison said on the other hand (since it agrees with your personal opinion) was worthy of it's own thread.

Then you wonder why you're considered an imbicile.

I do not believe Harrison's comment validated my opinion. I hope that is not how my statement was taken. It just means my opinion is shared by others. It also means I do not intentionally misquote people to support my opinion. That's all.

Dungy's and Patrick's statements are fine. I'd never call you out for saying "Hey RW is great and people that know the game agree".

What I will do is dispute all the negative things said about our QB in comparison to RW. When you put this guy up on a level that some of you have, 170+ yds and a couple dink wide open TDs agsindt s very bad D at home doesn't exactly cash the "Krsppernick" checks a lot of you have written over the past yrs. In fact, I think if RW came into Clink as sn opposing QB V your D he'd play worse than Kaep has up there.

But again, that is just my opinion. And has been here for quite a while.

Thankfully we will never know this for sure but the problem with this statement is just how awful Kaep has been statistically here. I mean he is averaging like 170 yards a game .33 TD's and 2 INT's. That is just terrible. That's just the difference between you niners fans and Hawks fans. We would want RW leading us into any stadium against any D anytime. Someday we might not be the best D in the league and if we have to play the #1 D on the road, who do I want leading my Hawks? That's right RW!

[HumanCockroach]

Future,

When people were ripping your offense in the preseason I expressed an opinion that Kaepernick showed improvement, contrary to that quote I just provided. My point is it doesn't matter what Harrison said any more than it matters what this guy said about Kaepernick. Just because one talking head happens to agree with your assessment doesn't make it true.

I provided a published film study of Richard Sherman's 2013 season that broke down every single snap he was on the field. Did you read it? I doubt it. Because you keep coming back with what some talking head on television said. So according to Rodney Harrison holds more than any corner in the game but he wasn't flagged more than anyone. To have you tell it Sherman is an above average corner who only appears good because he grabs and holds on every single play. While Earl Thomas gives help over the top. He had the same amount of defensive holding penalties as Joe Haden. Only two more than Patrick Peterson. Zero illegal contact penalties. The actual facts don't substantiate your claims.

And when you are presented with the actual facts and/or very detailed analysis you choose to ignore it in favor of your unsubstantiated sound bite.

The Packers, who have the best QB in the league, built their offensive game plan around completely avoiding throwing at Richard Sherman. Which makes no sense if he holds more than any DB in the game in a year where defensive holding is a point of emphasis. That says way more than Rodney Harrison spouting off at the mouth in a pre-game show.

Regarding Russell Wilson, but Tony Dungy says that Russell Wilson reminds him of Joe Montana and Dan Patrick agreed. Clearly that means he is the 2nd coming. Somehow that doesn't mean anything though because it doesn't jibe with what your personal opinion is. What Rodney Harrison said on the other hand (since it agrees with your personal opinion) was worthy of it's own thread.

Then you wonder why you're considered an imbicile.

I do not believe Harrison's comment validated my opinion. I hope that is not how my statement was taken. It just means my opinion is shared by others. It also means I do not intentionally misquote people to support my opinion. That's all.

Dungy's and Patrick's statements are fine. I'd never call you out for saying "Hey RW is great and people that know the game agree".

What I will do is dispute all the negative things said about our QB in comparison to RW. When you put this guy up on a level that some of you have, 170+ yds and a couple dink wide open TDs agsindt s very bad D at home doesn't exactly cash the "Krsppernick" checks a lot of you have written over the past yrs. In fact, I think if RW came into Clink as sn opposing QB V your D he'd play worse than Kaep has up there.

But again, that is just my opinion. And has been here for quite a while.

What are you basing that opinion on? Because nothing I've seen makes me believe that, for one thing Wilson practices against THAT defense each and every day, in fact, I could easily say he would be MORE prepared to play against them, IN that stadium, than ANY QB playing the game, period.

Wilson had 240 yards of offense 2td's no turnovers, and did what he NEEDED to do. When they needed a third down conversion, he got it, when they needed a run, ditto. When they needed to kil clock, yep, when they needed a TD sure enough...... You are NOT watching anything "objectively" your looking for a way to pick apart something you don't understand, because you haven't seen a team this complete in your lifetime. The offense scored on eight of ten drives minus the kneel down and series with fifteen second left in the half, the produced four hundred yards of offense, how ANYONE can claim that is a mediocre game, is stupid, anyone that KNOWS football, knows when you can run the ball at will, you DO, and there is NO need to stupidily continue to throw to pad stats. ( which is what your entire argument boils down to, volume, not quality, or excellent play, but number of throws, and nothing more. Can you tell me he doesn't throw for 300 EASILY with the same number of throws as Rodgers? If you try, you are showing your lack of knowledge once again).

[Anthony]

Future,

When people were ripping your offense in the preseason I expressed an opinion that Kaepernick showed improvement, contrary to that quote I just provided. My point is it doesn't matter what Harrison said any more than it matters what this guy said about Kaepernick. Just because one talking head happens to agree with your assessment doesn't make it true.

I provided a published film study of Richard Sherman's 2013 season that broke down every single snap he was on the field. Did you read it? I doubt it. Because you keep coming back with what some talking head on television said. So according to Rodney Harrison holds more than any corner in the game but he wasn't flagged more than anyone. To have you tell it Sherman is an above average corner who only appears good because he grabs and holds on every single play. While Earl Thomas gives help over the top. He had the same amount of defensive holding penalties as Joe Haden. Only two more than Patrick Peterson. Zero illegal contact penalties. The actual facts don't substantiate your claims.

And when you are presented with the actual facts and/or very detailed analysis you choose to ignore it in favor of your unsubstantiated sound bite.

The Packers, who have the best QB in the league, built their offensive game plan around completely avoiding throwing at Richard Sherman. Which makes no sense if he holds more than any DB in the game in a year where defensive holding is a point of emphasis. That says way more than Rodney Harrison spouting off at the mouth in a pre-game show.

Regarding Russell Wilson, but Tony Dungy says that Russell Wilson reminds him of Joe Montana and Dan Patrick agreed. Clearly that means he is the 2nd coming. Somehow that doesn't mean anything though because it doesn't jibe with what your personal opinion is. What Rodney Harrison said on the other hand (since it agrees with your personal opinion) was worthy of it's own thread.

Then you wonder why you're considered an imbicile.

I do not believe Harrison's comment validated my opinion. I hope that is not how my statement was taken. It just means my opinion is shared by others. It also means I do not intentionally misquote people to support my opinion. That's all.

Dungy's and Patrick's statements are fine. I'd never call you out for saying "Hey RW is great and people that know the game agree".

What I will do is dispute all the negative things said about our QB in comparison to RW. When you put this guy up on a level that some of you have, 170+ yds and a couple dink wide open TDs agsindt s very bad D at home doesn't exactly cash the "Krsppernick" checks a lot of you have written over the past yrs. In fact, I think if RW came into Clink as sn opposing QB V your D he'd play worse than Kaep has up there.

But again, that is just my opinion. And has been here for quite a while.

What are you basing that opinion on? Because nothing I've seen makes me believe that, for one thing Wilson practices against THAT defense each and every day, in fact, I could easily say he would be MORE prepared to play against them, IN that stadium, than ANY QB playing the game, period.

Wilson had 240 yards of offense 2td's no turnovers, and did what he NEEDED to do. When they needed a third down conversion, he got it, when they needed a run, ditto. When they needed to kil clock, yep, when they needed a TD sure enough...... You are NOT watching anything "objectively" your looking for a way to pick apart something you don't understand, because you haven't seen a team this complete in your lifetime. The offense scored on eight of ten drives minus the kneel down and series with fifteen second left in the half, the produced four hundred yards of offense, how ANYONE can claim that is a mediocre game, is stupid, anyone that KNOWS football, knows when you can run the ball at will, you DO, and there is NO need to stupidily continue to throw to pad stats. ( which is what your entire argument boils down to, volume, not quality, or excellent play, but number of throws, and nothing more. Can you tell me he doesn't throw for 300 EASILY with the same number of throws as Rodgers? If you try, you are showing your lack of knowledge once again).

Great post spot on and lets remember RW gets 4 plays every down, and he choses what to run base don the defense, so even the run game is up to him, and as usual Future says something with no facts or stats to support him and then is called on it by others and of course as always is wrong.

[Hawk Sista]

Comparing Kap to Aaron Rodgers??? WTF?

[Futureite]

HC;

I am basing it on what I watched last yr and continued to watch to open this yr. I gave him the benefit of the doubt given the praise most of you heaped on him after preseason games that I did not watch, but what I saw were jet sweeps, WR/RB screens and playaction. I am sorry but this is not the type of O that a "student of the game" who supposedly is so much more gifted in football IQ and reading Ds than other QBs would run. It is a great gameplan because it works. And RW is good at the things he does (playaction, mobile, etc). But he is about a 10-12 range QB IMO. He sure didn't live up to the hype or the crap you guys have talked in the areas he supposedly distances himself from Kaep.

I am also basing it on the fact that your D would not have dropped several of the balls he threw. If he came into Clunk as the Packer's QB he'd have been screwed. And you know it. He'd have thrown for 100 and change and a couple picks. Then you could talk about how he "choked" or "cracked under pressure".

Honestly I am just giving you back some of the shyt talked about our crumbling, choking QB. You have now seen Rodgers and Brees do all the things Kaep did. But RW "remained calm". No shyt. Of course he did. He wasn't the one facing that D, that crowd. And to top it off he's handing off to the best RB in the game.

Sorry if I am talking shyt now but some of you made these asenine points and then filleted me for rebutting them. And lately almost every point I made has been born out. That one about "poise" had to be one of the stupidest ones here. Or maybe Aaron Rodgers has less of it now than RW too.

SMFH.

[mykc14]

HC;

I am basing it on what I watched last yr and continued to watch to open this yr. I gave him the benefit of the doubt given the praise most of you heaped on him after preseason games that I did not watch, but what I saw were jet sweeps, WR/RB screens and playaction. I am sorry but this is not the type of O that a "student of the game" who supposedly is so much more gifted in football IQ and reading Ds than other QBs would run. It is a great gameplan because it works. And RW is good at the things he does (playaction, mobile, etc). But he is about a 10-12 range QB IMO. He sure didn't live up to the hype or the crap you guys have talked in the areas he supposedly distances himself from Kaep.

I am also basing it on the fact that your D would not have dropped several of the balls he threw. If he came into Clunk as the Packer's QB he'd have been screwed. And you know it. He'd have thrown for 100 and change and a couple picks. Then you could talk about how he "choked" or "cracked under pressure".

Honestly I am just giving you back some of the shyt talked about our crumbling, choking QB. You have now seen Rodgers and Brees do all the things Kaep did. But RW "remained calm". No shyt. Of course he did. He wasn't the one facing that D, that crowd. And to top it off he's handing off to the best RB in the game.

Sorry if I am talking shyt now but some of you made these asenine points and then filleted me for rebutting them. And lately almost every point I made has been born out. That one about "poise" had to be one of the stupidest ones here. Or maybe Aaron Rodgers has less of it now than RW too.

SMFH.

This is hilarious. You are now talking shyt about our QB after he led an ass-beating the night before. I mean, if he would have stunk the place up then maybe you would have something to stay but come on. Lately you have been so defensive about actually quoting your examples and not pulling crap out of your ass so I have to ask list for us the SEVERAL passes that RW threw that would have been picked by any other D. Again, I'll give you two; the pass to Miller at the beginning of the game- bad pass/decision (thats 1). The second you might quote is the pass to Baldwin at the end of the half- 19 seconds left and the niners had no timeouts no big deal if that ball is intercepted (I wouldn't count that as 2 for any QB given the situation, but you probably will so let's pretend like that's 2). So at worst it is 2, not SEVERAL. So here is a challenge, list the other passes that should have been picked to add up to the SEVERAL that you have quoted multiple times.

It is so funny to me that you are talking crap about RW right now when the rest of America is finally realizing how good he is based on watching the same game, LOL. At first you were completely infatuated with Sherm (which you still are) and now you are completely focus on RW. It is amazing how these guys are in your head.

[HumanCockroach]

HC;

I am basing it on what I watched last yr and continued to watch to open this yr. I gave him the benefit of the doubt given the praise most of you heaped on him after preseason games that I did not watch, but what I saw were jet sweeps, WR/RB screens and playaction. I am sorry but this is not the type of O that a "student of the game" who supposedly is so much more gifted in football IQ and reading Ds than other QBs would run. It is a great gameplan because it works. And RW is good at the things he does (playaction, mobile, etc). But he is about a 10-12 range QB IMO. He sure didn't live up to the hype or the crap you guys have talked in the areas he supposedly distances himself from Kaep.

I am also basing it on the fact that your D would not have dropped several of the balls he threw. If he came into Clunk as the Packer's QB he'd have been screwed. And you know it. He'd have thrown for 100 and change and a couple picks. Then you could talk about how he "choked" or "cracked under pressure".

Honestly I am just giving you back some of the shyt talked about our crumbling, choking QB. You have now seen Rodgers and Brees do all the things Kaep did. But RW "remained calm". No shyt. Of course he did. He wasn't the one facing that D, that crowd. And to top it off he's handing off to the best RB in the game.

Sorry if I am talking shyt now but some of you made these asenine points and then filleted me for rebutting them. And lately almost every point I made has been born out. That one about "poise" had to be one of the stupidest ones here. Or maybe Aaron Rodgers has less of it now than RW too.

SMFH.

Name the games on the road or at home, that Wilson hasn't remained poised. Name them. Go ahead. I can wait. Was it in Atlanta where he threw for over four hundred yards and put that team on his back? Maybe on the road in Washington? Nah, you're grasping at straws.

Name the areas Kap "outplays" Wilson in. NAME them. Again I can wait....... The truth is there are VERY few, IF any that Kap's play surpasses Wilson. Yeah the COORDINATOR runs a SPECIFIC play set that includes jet sweeps, play action, and handing the ball to a great RB, does that now mean Favre was no big deal as well? Because last I checked, they were doing the SAME type of play calling in Minnesota with him at the helm. You're grasping man, and you know it. Pretty sad really.

As for the "choking" none of them choked, they simply got throttled, that will happen when the best corner in the game takes a third of the field out of the play book, you would think a guy so on the nuts of Sanders would understand that, but your bias keeps you from grasping it. WWilson's ability to turn a pass into a run, changes the way a defense can play him, he ISN'T like a Kap or a Vick, when he moves, he STILL is looking to throw, he doesn't simply take off. It is a different element that makes it extremely difficult to guard. He is very similar in style to a Steve Young in that regard. He CAN run, he CAN throw on the run, and he CAN deliver the ball from the pocket, and he is adept at ALL of them, which makes him a handful. Teams think like you and say "Lynch isn't beating us!" And then Wilson beats them with his arm, Teams come in with the idea to Keep Wilson in the pocket, and then he beats them from there, they come in with the plan to send pressure at all times, and he either moves and beats them, takes off and runs and beats them, or uses the great back to punish them. At this point, I've seen pretty much every plan blow up in the faces of the best defenses in the NFL, so spare me the stupidity of Quantity trumps Quality argument. How many times did Montana lead the league in passing? I believe it was ZERO and yet, he kept winning didn't he? Just because Wilson does it differently, does NOT mean he isn't doing it.

He has brought Seattle back in multiple games, with whatever it is the defense allows, whether he has to run more, pass more, change to a run, or a pass, he figures it out. Period. When the game is ON THE LINE he has seldom faltered, and has succeeded at an insanely high rate. You would think YOU would understand the difference between winning and losing ISN'T about stats, it's about crucial situations where a CHAMPION comes through ( ie key third downs, or game on the line situations) You can fight it all you want, but get USED to seeing Wilson come through time and again in the clutch.

[Anthony]

True. Even if it's a "gimmick" just like the read-option coordinators really won't be able to really scheme against it until the offseason.

But it's really not the concepts that make the offense scary. It's Percy Harvin aka "the worst trade in franchise history". He alters everything that defenses have to do. If he goes out in the pattern he takes the top off the defense. If he goes in motion on the jet sweep he takes LBs out of the box.

Part of it I'm sure was due to the Packers being soft up front without B.J. Raji but there were several runs by Lynch and/or Turbin where accounting for Harvin forced defenses to commit fewer guys to the box and then caused a split second hesitation until they figure out where the ball is actually going. Consequently those runs with Harvin in motion Lynch and Turbin had holes opened in the first level of the defense that you could literrally drive a golf cart through.

Offense looked impressive... and defensive coordinators are not going to have fun in their preparation. If you don't have fast linebackers it's going to be really tough to deal with.

I would say it is nit just Harvin, but RW and Lynch as well you cannot stop them all period

[Anthony]

HC;

I am basing it on what I watched last yr and continued to watch to open this yr. I gave him the benefit of the doubt given the praise most of you heaped on him after preseason games that I did not watch, but what I saw were jet sweeps, WR/RB screens and playaction. I am sorry but this is not the type of O that a "student of the game" who supposedly is so much more gifted in football IQ and reading Ds than other QBs would run. It is a great gameplan because it works. And RW is good at the things he does (playaction, mobile, etc). But he is about a 10-12 range QB IMO. He sure didn't live up to the hype or the crap you guys have talked in the areas he supposedly distances himself from Kaep.

I am also basing it on the fact that your D would not have dropped several of the balls he threw. If he came into Clunk as the Packer's QB he'd have been screwed. And you know it. He'd have thrown for 100 and change and a couple picks. Then you could talk about how he "choked" or "cracked under pressure".

Honestly I am just giving you back some of the shyt talked about our crumbling, choking QB. You have now seen Rodgers and Brees do all the things Kaep did. But RW "remained calm". No shyt. Of course he did. He wasn't the one facing that D, that crowd. And to top it off he's handing off to the best RB in the game.

Sorry if I am talking shyt now but some of you made these asenine points and then filleted me for rebutting them. And lately almost every point I made has been born out. That one about "poise" had to be one of the stupidest ones here. Or maybe Aaron Rodgers has less of it now than RW too.

SMFH.

Dude you are pathetic, Wilson had a Qb rating of 110 and 68% completion what more does he need to do, he took what the defense gave him and performed like the elite QB he is. FYI nothing you have said has played out, at all, all you have done is show how much football smarts you do not have.

[RiverDog]

HC;

I am basing it on what I watched last yr and continued to watch to open this yr. I gave him the benefit of the doubt given the praise most of you heaped on him after preseason games that I did not watch, but what I saw were jet sweeps, WR/RB screens and playaction. I am sorry but this is not the type of O that a "student of the game" who supposedly is so much more gifted in football IQ and reading Ds than other QBs would run. It is a great gameplan because it works. And RW is good at the things he does (playaction, mobile, etc). But he is about a 10-12 range QB IMO. He sure didn't live up to the hype or the crap you guys have talked in the areas he supposedly distances himself from Kaep.

I am also basing it on the fact that your D would not have dropped several of the balls he threw. If he came into Clunk as the Packer's QB he'd have been screwed. And you know it. He'd have thrown for 100 and change and a couple picks. Then you could talk about how he "choked" or "cracked under pressure".

Honestly I am just giving you back some of the shyt talked about our crumbling, choking QB. You have now seen Rodgers and Brees do all the things Kaep did. But RW "remained calm". No shyt. Of course he did. He wasn't the one facing that D, that crowd. And to top it off he's handing off to the best RB in the game.

Sorry if I am talking shyt now but some of you made these asenine points and then filleted me for rebutting them. And lately almost every point I made has been born out. That one about "poise" had to be one of the stupidest ones here. Or maybe Aaron Rodgers has less of it now than RW too.

SMFH.

A 10-12 yard range QB? Are you serious? That statement alone proves your ignorance. I'm not going to argue about RW's deep passing efficiency, ie 30+ yards. We don't go deep that often, or haven't in the past, mainly because we haven't had WR's that can stretch the field and that our style of play doesn't allow for it, so there's not a lot of supporting evidence to prove his proficiency in throwing the long ball. But it's way beyond a contrary, rational argument that RW's intermediate range passing, the 10-25 yard variety, is as good or better than any QB in the game today.

I don't know what's gotten into. Since February, you've gone off the deep end when it comes to evaluating talent on our team. You're acting like a spoiled brat that got sent away from the supper table without dessert.

I don't know what's gotten into you this season. You used to be a more objective opposition fan than what you've been showing since we won our SB.