I am doing this anyway

[Agent 86]

[quote="Futureite"

I am basing it on what I watched last yr and continued to watch to open this yr. I gave him the benefit of the doubt given the praise most of you heaped on him after preseason games that I did not watch, but what I saw were jet sweeps, WR/RB screens and playaction. I am sorry but this is not the type of O that a "student of the game" who supposedly is so much more gifted in football IQ and reading Ds than other QBs would run. It is a great gameplan because it works. And RW is good at the things he does (playaction, mobile, etc). But he is about a 10-12 range QB IMO. He sure didn't live up to the hype or the crap you guys have talked in the areas he supposedly distances himself from Kaep.

I am also basing it on the fact that your D would not have dropped several of the balls he threw. If he came into Clunk as the Packer's QB he'd have been screwed. And you know it. He'd have thrown for 100 and change and a couple picks. Then you could talk about how he "choked" or "cracked under pressure".

Honestly I am just giving you back some of the shyt talked about our crumbling, choking QB. You have now seen Rodgers and Brees do all the things Kaep did. But RW "remained calm". No shyt. Of course he did. He wasn't the one facing that D, that crowd. And to top it off he's handing off to the best RB in the game.

Sorry if I am talking shyt now but some of you made these asenine points and then filleted me for rebutting them. And lately almost every point I made has been born out. That one about "poise" had to be one of the stupidest ones here. Or maybe Aaron Rodgers has less of it now than RW too.

SMFH.[/quote]

A 10-12 yard range QB? Are you serious? That statement alone proves your ignorance. I'm not going to argue about RW's deep passing efficiency, ie 30+ yards. We don't go deep that often, or haven't in the past, mainly because we haven't had WR's that can stretch the field and that our style of play doesn't allow for it, so there's not a lot of supporting evidence to prove his proficiency in throwing the long ball. But it's way beyond a contrary, rational argument that RW's intermediate range passing, the 10-25 yard variety, is as good or better than any QB in the game today.

I don't know what's gotten into. Since February, you've gone off the deep end when it comes to evaluating talent on our team. You're acting like a spoiled brat that got sent away from the supper table without dessert.

I don't know what's gotten into you this season. You used to be a more objective opposition fan than what you've been showing since we won our SB.[/quote]


Hey Riv,

I think what our good friend Future was referring to is Wilson is in the 10-12 range for QB's overall in the league. Meaning he can name you 9-11 QB's better than RW3.

The rest of your post is bang on though. Lol....and as I have stated many times, he changed well before the Super Bowl win. He changed during the 2012 season, and hit his boiling point at the moment KC31 laid out Vernon Davis at the 5 yard line on Dec.23,2012. He has been on a downward spiral since then.

[c_hawkbob]

Future's got it good here. Hell he's probably the best fed pet troll on the internet ...

[Futureite]

Agent 86;

Lol!! It is still a game which I do not that seriously. Which is why I had no problem admitting Seattle is currently the best team. Obviously I hope that changes.

Maybe, juuuust maybe, my "attitude" changed with the endless shyt your fans talk. Maybe it had nothing to do at all with your team. I mean good Christ some idiots are still quoting one hit on a defenseless receiver? Really? Congrats but your boy got steamrolled by Eddie Lacy when it was a true one on one matchup. That just proves how stupid those Kam/VD chides were in the first place, and that in fact you were the one "trolling" to get a rise out of people by using it over and over again. I mean if you talk THIS much, you cannot be surprised that people react to it.

Truth be told, I admire the way the play. And other than Sherman, there are plenty of guys on your team that I like (Lynch, Thomas, Wright, etc).

Seriously time to look in the mirror bro.

[Futureite]

Future's got it good here. Hell he's probably the best fed pet troll on the internet ...

Hahaha. Sometimes you have to be honest and people will not like it. Trolls don't do that dude. They disguise an insult with just enough enough compliment to make it seem genuine. I give you honest direct opinion on things without mincing words quite often. Then you get upset about that too? Ridiculous.

Also, I have PM'd several people here to meet. I had/have every intention of doing so. "Trolls" are people that hide behind a keyboard and insult people. I hide behind nothing here or in life, ever.

Lastly I have stated many times if you want me out of here I will leave. That I am not here to cause problems. Seems like some of you can talk a TON but get so upset when another person holds the equal/opposite position. I'm sorry if you guys are posting RW is in some legendary next level, is going to throw for 4,500 yds and he goes out and proves none of that in game 1. Your anger is not with me. It is from reality not meeting your expectations.

I have stated for yrs now the type of player he is and in my OPINION, what he'd have to do to enter that first tier. Sorry but when you are still running a ton of screens, playaction, jet sweeps and even read frickin option with your QB, that speaks some to his ability. It does whether you get upset about it or not. The idea that if he just "threw more" he'd have the same stats as a Brees is hokey and corny.

[burrrton]

Sometimes you have to be honest and people will not like it.

Yeah, loved your "WILSON ISN'T IN THE TOP THIRD OF NFL QBs!" honesty there. You're a regular George Washington.

[HumanCockroach]

"I mean good Christ some idiots are still quoting one hit on a defenseless receiver"

You were saying ? Change it to whatever feels good to you I guess,The hit on Davis was 100% legal, whether it was flagged or not, and he has made a habit of doing it in every game since. The truth is you have been on this board with everything from Seattle Sonics fans didn't support the Sonics to Sherman is "bullying poor Tom Brady and Bayless " to "Russell Wilson claims he deserved the ROTY award" to " it wasn't a catch, a player can intercept the ball in the air without ever touching down on the ground cause a bunch of other clueless fans that watch fantasy stats or bet money in Vegas lost and agree with me" to claiming "objectivity" while we here ( the majority of us fans for over 30 years) are simply uneducated, biased or bandwaggoners and you question WHY you are called what you are? Which would be a TROLL dumbarse.

[Futureite]

"I mean good Christ some idiots are still quoting one hit on a defenseless receiver"

You were saying ? Change it to whatever feels good to you I guess,The hit on Davis was 100% legal, whether it was flagged or not, and he has made a habit of doing it in every game since. The truth is you have been on this board with everything from Seattle Sonics fans didn't support the Sonics to Sherman is "bullying poor Tom Brady and Bayless " to "Russell Wilson claims he deserved the ROTY award" to " it wasn't a catch, a player can intercept the ball in the air without ever touching down on the ground cause a bunch of other clueless fans that watch fantasy stats or bet money in Vegas lost and agree with me" to claiming "objectivity" while we here ( the majority of us fans for over 30 years) are simply uneducated, biased or bandwaggoners and you question WHY you are called what you are? Which would be a TROLL dumbarse.

It was a totally legal hit. But I am not sure why anyone would brag so much about it. VD was focused on the ball and Kam was focused on hitting him. Dashon Goldson layed out one of the Cards receivers in similar fashion in 2012, but our fans were not taunting and talking about it a friggin yr later. It was a good hit but it's not like they were mano e' mano and Kam just trucked him.

No dude. Go watch a replay. MD Jennings is clutching the ball to his chest on top of Tate at the END of the play. Tate is reaching from underneath and only touching the ball with ONE hand. Stop quoting what happened in the air. There were literally 100's of angry players and coaches that were outraged by this call, and just like the Kam hit your defending of it as a catch is just done to piss fans off even more. And you know it.

Calling out fantasy stats is riduculous. Please go look up the alltime leaders in TDs, YDs and find the QB that is not great among them. If it were so easy to do, RW would have more than 3 300 yd pass games over his 38 starts. You can say "he can do that if he has to" but there is zero evidence to prove that. If he had to do tjat game in and game out your team would be in serious, serious trouble. He can Alex Smith a 300 yd game here or there, but he is not at the level where he could carry a team for 16 games. This is why you cannot understand why do many people favor Luck ovet Wilson, and it's not surprising.

[Anthony]

Agent 86;

Lol!! It is still a game which I do not that seriously. Which is why I had no problem admitting Seattle is currently the best team. Obviously I hope that changes.

Maybe, juuuust maybe, my "attitude" changed with the endless shyt your fans talk. Maybe it had nothing to do at all with your team. I mean good Christ some idiots are still quoting one hit on a defenseless receiver? Really? Congrats but your boy got steamrolled by Eddie Lacy when it was a true one on one matchup. That just proves how stupid those Kam/VD chides were in the first place, and that in fact you were the one "trolling" to get a rise out of people by using it over and over again. I mean if you talk THIS much, you cannot be surprised that people react to it.

Truth be told, I admire the way the play. And other than Sherman, there are plenty of guys on your team that I like (Lynch, Thomas, Wright, etc).

Seriously time to look in the mirror bro.

This coming form the guy who practically is the poster child for the pot kettle statement, give it a rest Future your wrong.

[HumanCockroach]

No you go watch a replay, Tate not Jennings has both hands on the football, Jennings has one, with the other hand he is attempting to peel Tates TWO hands off the ball. Until you can actually "objectively" see something, you are lost. Jennings cannot gain possession in the air, and regardless of how many hands he has on it, and even if you want to claim he "controlled" it in the air ( which isn't possible via NFL Rules) when he touched down, Tate had as much control of it as he did, meaning simulteinious catch, which goes to the receiver. That is backed up by the RULES still on the books AND the NFL. Period.

[Anthony]

It was a totally legal hit. But I am not sure why anyone would brag so much about it. VD was focused on the ball and Kam was focused on hitting him. Dashon Goldson layed out one of the Cards receivers in similar fashion in 2012, but our fans were not taunting and talking about it a friggin yr later. It was a good hit but it's not like they were mano e' mano and Kam just trucked him.

No dude. Go watch a replay. MD Jennings is clutching the ball to his chest on top of Tate at the END of the play. Tate is reaching from underneath and only touching the ball with ONE hand. Stop quoting what happened in the air. There were literally 100's of angry players and coaches that were outraged by this call, and just like the Kam hit your defending of it as a catch is just done to piss fans off even more. And you know it.

Calling out fantasy stats is riduculous. Please go look up the alltime leaders in TDs, YDs and find the QB that is not great among them. If it were so easy to do, RW would have more than 3 300 yd pass games over his 38 starts. You can say "he can do that if he has to" but there is zero evidence to prove that. If he had to do tjat game in and game out your team would be in serious, serious trouble. He can Alex Smith a 300 yd game here or there, but he is not at the level where he could carry a team for 16 games. This is why you cannot understand why do many people favor Luck ovet Wilson, and it's not surprising.

Really zero evidence lets see Carolina, Atlanta, NO, there is plenty of examples were he has shown he can do it, so just stop trying to make crap up again. And as to saying he is not at a level to carry a team, please prove it?? Oh wait you cannot you still just a guy who makes crap up and is always wrong. RW has proven he can throw for 300+ yards if he needs to and can carry the team if he needs to, who do you think kept us going while our o-line was decimated last year, answer RW and those are facts not your made up crap.

[HumanCockroach]

LOL they favor Luck over Wilson because he puts together a fantastic HALF of football, after putting his team in a hole with repeateded stupid plays, and because they can't get past QUANTITY stats, you know the one YOU cling to ( Yardage) they do NOT pay attention to things like efficiency, YPA, YPC TD's for some reason ( of which Wilson continues to be the best two year pro in HISTORY) I could care less about what you or other fantasy football idiots think, I care about VICTORIES and LOMBARDIS, you and your brothers can care all you want about QB's that have to throw the ball 45 times a game to get their yardage, I'm perfectly content to watch a BALANCED SUCCESSFUL offense, that WINS REAL football games.

Wilson does NOT HAVE to throw that much, pretending like his HIGHER efficiency, YPA, YPC and lower turnover ratio wouldn't translate to at least comparable success, is, hell there is no way to suger coat it Moronic,stupid and imbecilic, so please continue on professing yourself as such if you would like, I'm not going to agree that Wilson is incapable of doing so when he does, whenever he wants.

[Agent 86]

It was a totally legal hit. But I am not sure why anyone would brag so much about it. VD was focused on the ball and Kam was focused on hitting him. Dashon Goldson layed out one of the Cards receivers in similar fashion in 2012, but our fans were not taunting and talking about it a friggin yr later. It was a good hit but it's not like they were mano e' mano and Kam just trucked him.

Future, I will tell you what, I'll go take a look in the mirror right after I post. Not sure what I will see except my reflection, but I'll do it anyways.

Look, regarding the hit, it was more than just a hit. I believe most Seahawk fans going into that game were "hoping" that we had progressed enough to win the game that night. The 49'ers had won a bunch of games in a row over the Hawks including a pretty defensive battle earlier in the year.

That hit turned the tide. If you have played any kind of team sport, you know what momentum can do for a team when a player performs on a certain play. I ain't bragging about the hit, but that play gave Seattle momentum over the San Francisco that they have yet to relinquish. Even after the loss last December, Seattle still held the upper hand.

That hit made me believe, and you saw what happened that game after that hit. It was early in the game and the score was still close at that point. What happened after that was a complete massacre in every sense. I believe that hit also put most 49'er fans back in their seats as I was watching that game with a couple 49'er fans. They were stunned, had nothing to say, and they couldn't believe a flag was even thrown (but in real time motion a flag had to be thrown because of the force of the hit and the snapback on VD's head).

I will say this, you have at least admitted that you did change after that hit, and the reason is valid. I totally believe you when you say Hawk fans after that hit and that game became annoying and started thumping their chests. I wasn't one of them as you can tell by my post count. All I ever said about a year later was that your tone changed after that game, and that game ended up being decided on that one hit. I watched your posts slowly deteriorate to point where you no longer could post objectively in another teams forum.

Baaah, I rarely get caught up in "internet forum debates", once again you can see I rarely post. It's too bad, you were once a guy I think most of people enjoyed debating with. It's really cool when another team's poster comes in here and doesn't post just to stir the pot and get a rise out of people. There is a part of me that hopes you one day come around again and can be that same guy, and I think you will see a lot of people respond in a likewise manner, maybe not so over the top in beating you down. Ya gotta remember where you are, and it will be your first move to take the first step. Although I have a feeling you have dug too deep a hole to get out of on this forum.

Anyways, I just wanted to explain the Chancellor hit to you and what it meant to me and why I keep bringing it up with you. And you finally responded to it earlier, so I know I know your stance. I'll try and keep it under my hat from now on.

My goodness, that is a sharp lookin fella I see in the mirror......uh, would you believe handsome?....would you settle for a face made for radio?

[burrrton]

You can say "he can do that if he has to" but there is zero evidence to prove that.

Future, RW's high efficiency and success in virtually every measure of a QB's performance except raw yardage tells you precisely that, you moron.

There is no weakness in Russel's game to this point.

Deep routs? Check.
Throwing from within the pocket? Check.
Throwing from outside the pocket? Check.
Etc (we could go down the list)

The only thing you can point to is a lack of raw yardage, but the *only* reason he doesn't have the yardage is because he typically throws it 20x a game- a rational person knows this because when he *does* throw more, his performance doesn't drop off.

Give it up. I'm not going to argue he's necessarily better than Brady, Rodgers, etc, because I think those guys are complete studs, too, but in light of RWs inarguably high performance, you sound like a jaded fool.

[monkey]

Future's got it good here. Hell he's probably the best fed pet troll on the internet ...

Future's got it good here. Hell he's probably the best fed pet troll on the internet ...

Seriously! For the life of me I cannot understand why anyone bothers with him.
Anyone who criticizes Russell Wilson as a 10-12 range QB (with no statistical evidence given as usual) then turns around and lumps Kaepernick in with the likes of Rodgers and Manning, (completely ignoring the fact that Wilson is statistically a FAR superior QB to Kaepernick, and Kaepernick's name should never even be uttered in the same sentence as those other two QB's), ought to be ignored completely.

Why bother refuting his points, when the truth is so painfully obvious? He is intentionally ignoring the truth and the FACTS, because he's a TROLL!

Even pointing out the insanity of his statements to him is clearly a waste of time, since those statements come not from one who is insane, but from someone who obviously is trolling.

The dude is just another version of CP, ignore him completely.

[HumanCockroach]

If someone wanted a similar stats comparison for Wilson, THIS would be it ( as I have been saying since early last season, he ISN'T putting up stats like Brady NOW, but anyone that argues he should be, is an absolute tool)

http://www.nfl.com/player/tombrady/2504211/careerstats

and in comparison..

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... lsRu00.htm

and just to be fair.....

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... dgAa00.htm

Once again Rodgers "beats" him in shear yardage ( 8470 to 6500 or so, and passing TD's 58 to 54, he however is less efficient, has a lower YPA and YPC, scored LESS total TD's, turned the ball over More, and had a MUCH stronger receiver core, not to mention, he threw the ball 1080 times to Wilson's 800, so in essence, in the 280 extra throws Rodgers added,less than two thousand yards and FOUR TD's total passing, though STILL less total TD's over his first two seasons as a starter, and that was WITH three years to learn the playbook AND a much better receiving core and weapons coming into his first season).

The Brady comparison is even MORE skewed in Wilson favor as Wilson has outperformed his first two season as a starter in EVERY statistical category. EVERY single one of them, and he once again got a full season before stepping on the field. Statistically, Wilson matches up well, or better than EVERY NFL QB to ever step on the field over his first two seasons ( I wonder, does Luck?) All this is simply wasted air. Wilson is EXACTLY what we are saying he is ( which is one of the best young QB's to ever step on a football field in the NFL, and if he wasn't, teams would have exposed him by now, not just a mediocre game here or there, even Manning, Brady, Brees throws out a clunker from time to time) but continual problems game in and game out, they haven't, because they CAN'T.

Just for shytes and giggles......

http://www.nfl.com/player/joemontana/25 ... areerstats

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... waJo00.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... unSt00.htm

Since Future will make some excuse about not having access to a computer, or how he might be the only lawyer in the world without the ability to click into a link from his phone, let me make this real, real, real simply.

What that says is that Wilson has outperformed ALL of those hall of fame QB's in their first two years starting , both in yardage, TD's, QBR, and WINS as well as pretty much any other stat someone might attempt to cherry pick to make a case. Sorry Future, Wilson IS better at least than every one of those QB's at least to start a career, that is simply the facts, and no amount of dancing changes that. Your assessment of 10-12 range for his ranking is simply put handicapped, and if the fact that he has outperformed MULTIPLE HOF QB'S isn't enough to prove it, I'm simply not sure how to help you, even your go to stat ( the ONLY one you CAN go to, as it is the ONLY one available to you) is blown out of the water in this argument.

[RiverDog]

[i][Hey Riv,

I think what our good friend Future was referring to is Wilson is in the 10-12 range for QB's overall in the league. Meaning he can name you 9-11 QB's better than RW3.

The rest of your post is bang on though. Lol....and as I have stated many times, he changed well before the Super Bowl win. He changed during the 2012 season, and hit his boiling point at the moment KC31 laid out Vernon Davis at the 5 yard line on Dec.23,2012. He has been on a downward spiral since then.

That wasn't very clear to me, but it does make a little more sense than calling Russell Wilson a 10-12 yard range QB.

So he can name 10 active QB's that are better than Russell? He could only name about three or four before I'd start laughing. You get past #7 and you're talking about guys like Romo and Worthlessburger, and even the most vocal critic wouldn't dare go that far.

[HumanCockroach]

http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-fo ... -didnt-you

I Guess Rodney can have his opinion, I'll stick with this one. The one from the horses mouth, aka a CURRENT NFL player that most feel is the best QB in the game. Not a lot of fans can say, they are perfectly happy with this type of avoidance, but people in Seattle can, with little qualms. Be our guest, stay away from Sherman and refuse to throw the ball to his side, expect to lose every single game against them if you are going to limit your offense to one side of the field, but at least he won't pick you off. Maxwell will instead. LMAO.

Ready to enjoy this game. And this is admittedly f'd up. But internet or not, I'm not going to allow a couple of the usual suspects off the hook 3 days or a week later calling me x, y and z, claimng my opinion is shared by none or requesting 10 links to prove a quote So while it's still fresh in everyone's mind:

Rodney Harrison, 10 minutes ago:

"Let's face it. RIchard Sherman grabs and holds more than any corner in the league".

[kalibane]

I'm not going to argue about RW's deep passing efficiency, ie 30+ yards.

Well I will. From Pro Football Focus:

If there has been one aspect of Russell Wilson’s game that stands out above all over his brief NFL career, it’s his deep ball. No one can match the frequency and precision that Wilson has shown on targets over 20 yards the past two seasons. For Wilson’s career he has gone deep on 15.6% of his passes, been accurate on 48.6% of those, and averaged 16.5 yards per attempt.

To put this in perspective. Last year he threw 11 more deep balls than Aaron Rodgers and was still more accurate/efficient.

[RiverDog]

Well I will. From Pro Football Focus:

If there has been one aspect of Russell Wilson’s game that stands out above all over his brief NFL career, it’s his deep ball. No one can match the frequency and precision that Wilson has shown on targets over 20 yards the past two seasons. For Wilson’s career he has gone deep on 15.6% of his passes, been accurate on 48.6% of those, and averaged 16.5 yards per attempt.

To put this in perspective. Last year he threw 11 more deep balls than Aaron Rodgers and was still more accurate/efficient.

They're considering 21 yards as going deep? Huh.

[c_hawkbob]

They're considering 21 yards as going deep? Huh.

Years ago (in a converation about Hass I believe) I told you deeper than 15 yard is a deep pass. You've always seemed to think "deep pass" means "bomb" ... they're still not synonymous terms

[kalibane]

Any pass that goes further than 20 yards beyond the line of scrimmage is considered "deep". And even if you want to extend the distance the same thing holds true. Wilson is an excellent deep ball thrower.

[monkey]

All this Seahawks secondary/Richard Sherman, grabs and holds more than anyone else crapola reminds me of Joseph Goebels saying that "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."
Now it's been told so long that there are otherwise reliable former NFL players echoing the stupidity.

This lie has in fact been taken to task by several people however. Here's just a couple examples. http://thebiglead.com/2014/01/30/seattle-seahawks-defenders-how-often-do-they-really-commit-fouls/

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/1/29/5355360/super-bowl-xlviii-seahawks-defense-richard-sherman-earl-thomas-covering-peyton-manning
In case you are a troll, and won't read anything that doesn't agree with your moronic opinion I'll summarize.
26 of 600 (about 4% of plays, with one defender on each) is “rampant?”
Bottom line, if you are one of those MORONS who keep claiming that the Seahawks are guilty of grabby talons, stop lying! It's already been disproved stupid.
If you are one of those fans who fell for this Goebels style lie, then breath free my friend knowing that the lie has been exposed!
The truth is, the Seahawks are no more guilty of grabbing than ANY OTHER TEAM IN THE NFL!
In fact, so far this pre-season and season the Seahawks have been one of the LEAST penalized teams...the stupid so called legion of boom rule, is hurting every other NFL team FAR more than it is the LOB!

[RiverDog]

I'm sorry, but 15 yards from the LOS is not a 'deep' pass, unless you're talking Pop Warner. I've always understood the term 'long' or 'deep' as it relates to professional football as being 25-30 yards in length.

And let's be clear about this. I am not questioning Russell's long ball proficiency. All I am saying that there is not a lot of evidence one way or another to support an argument pro or con. I have no more worries about him hitting a receiver from 35 yards away than I would any other QB in the league.

[burrrton]

Wilson is an excellent deep ball thrower.

This. And I want all the "GAMES MANAGGER" dipsh*ts to repeat it to themselves over and over.

To this point, there simply are no chinks in RW's armor. Maybe they'll show up eventually, but they haven't yet, and to argue otherwise requires you to assume facts not in evidence and ignore evidence to the contrary.

[monkey]

This. And I want all the "GAMES MANAGGER" dipsh*ts to repeat it to themselves over and over.

To this point, there simply are no chinks in RW's armor. Maybe they'll show up eventually, but they haven't yet, and to argue otherwise requires you to assume facts not in evidence and ignore evidence to the contrary.

Perfectly stated.

[burrrton]

I'm sorry, but 15 yards from the LOS is not a 'deep' pass, unless you're talking Pop Warner.

Well, if the point is to evaluate the effectiveness of a QB's ability to do something other than the dink-and-dunk or the three-step-out-pattern type throws, common with "GAME MANAGER" types, it seems like a defensible cutoff in the NFL in 2014.

Yeah, it might water down the success of the "Krieg-to-Turner" heave-and-pray passes, but it seems to me to be a good demonstration of a QB's arm-strength-with-accuracy success.

(and I want bonus consideration for all my hyphenated phrases, please)

[monkey]

Since this thread sucks because it was started by a lying troll for the purpose of propagating a lie, I'm hi-jacking this thread.

This thread is now about Clay Matthews ridiculous flops. https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/59A00342791119514623834509312_20611ff9f20.2.1.2951606665664963492.mp4?versionId=EttLkYv2PdtkQ_swRj2i0Lgmh7b7Jzw9

[mykc14]

Since this thread sucks because it was started by a lying troll for the purpose of propagating a lie, I'm hi-jacking this thread.

This thread is now about Clay Matthews ridiculous flops. https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/59A00342791119514623834509312_20611ff9f20.2.1.2951606665664963492.mp4?versionId=EttLkYv2PdtkQ_swRj2i0Lgmh7b7Jzw9

That was pretty obvious. There were others that game as well. I can't remember when in the game it was but a Packer OL clearly flopped right after a play as a Hawks Defender (I am pretty sure it was Cassius Marsh) was pushing him as the whistle blew. It was like the whistle blew and he immediately fell backwards, it was pretty funny. March just sort of looks at him like 'what are you doing?'

[HumanCockroach]

LOL, soccer game stuff. Maybe this is what new fans complaining about how the Seahawks cheated and grabbed their way to a title would prefer to see.... SMDH. I would be ashamed if I was Mathews, what's next ketchup packets in their wrist tape to add a little blood? My respect for Mathews just dropped a bit.

[RiverDog]

Since this thread sucks because it was started by a lying troll for the purpose of propagating a lie, I'm hi-jacking this thread.

This thread is now about Clay Matthews ridiculous flops. https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/59A00342791119514623834509312_20611ff9f20.2.1.2951606665664963492.mp4?versionId=EttLkYv2PdtkQ_swRj2i0Lgmh7b7Jzw9

I made some comments about Mathews' flops, but no one else seemed to want to pick up on it.

Two comments: I can't believe that any ref that is obviously competent enough to officiate at the NFL level was so gullible to have been taken in by Mathews flop(s).

Secondly, that type of chit ought to be outlawed. It's so ridiculous that I'm tempted to call on the Commish to issue fines for such actions. To me, it's a worse corruption of the game than excessive celebrations. I mean, it's one thing for a punter to go down on contact, and an entirely other thing with Mathews cheap act. I know I'm being a bit irrational with my reaction, but dammit anyway.

[Hawktawk]

Mathews is bush league. Not to mention Millers one hander was more impressive (and necessary) because Matthews had an arm bar on him the whole time.

I think his roids are wearing off.....

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Even more egregious than Matthews flops was the couple of times he tackled Wilson and another by their head, THEIR HEAD for crissakes! Why was there no PF called on him? Sheesh, he could have broken some ones neck.