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by **#37** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 2:57 am

Maybe I'm just trying to make myself feel better, but it is working a wee bit... What I mean is this: If we had won 28 - 27, we would have never heard the end of Percy's out of bounds TD... With this loss the TD is a moot point that will be mostly forgotten towards the Seahawks, and a rebuke kicked at the uprights of the NFL command center.

On top of that, yoder brought up a good point... This is going to light a fire under the Hawk's a$$! Denver shall feel our retribution!

by **RiverDog** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 3:14 am

It's never a 'good thing' to lose a game, however, if we had to lose, this is one of the games I would have sacrificed. It's a non conference game, and will not count against us in a tiebreaker situation. Plus it's a road game, it's early in the year, our chief rival looked really bad in losing their home opener, and half the division is playing without their starting quarterback. Who Dat lost to the Browns. The stinking Browns. There's only two teams in the NFC that are 2-0, with Philly playing tonight.

That's life in the modern NFL. Just when you think that you're invincible, someone like the Chargers comes along and slaps you back to reality. On any given Sunday....

by **#37** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 4:58 am

Strategically this loss will not hurt us, but I was pondering the loss from slightly different angles. First the annoyance of critics attacking our integrity and a disputable win. Secondly the lessons learned from a good ole reality check. I have not played football in over 20 years, but I still train submission grappling. In my greying hair years I've learn, and remembered, more from a loss than any win. Though the pill is hard to swallow the lesson bind to the marrow of it all. Like you said RiverDog-elicious, my fellow band of the 12th, it's never a 'good thing' to lose a game. However, with this team, we will be better for it.

by **RiverDog** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 5:18 am

#37 wrote:Strategically this loss will not hurt us, but I was pondering the loss from slightly different angles. First the annoyance of critics attacking our integrity and a disputable win. Secondly the lessons learned from a good ole reality check. I have not played football in over 20 years, but I still train submission grappling. In my greying hair years I've learn, and remembered, more from a loss than any win. Though the pill is hard to swallow the lesson bind to the marrow of it all. Like you said RiverDog-elicious, my fellow band of the 12th, it's never a 'good thing' to lose a game. However, with this team, we will be better for it.

I guess you are referring to the Percy touchdown, and yea, the media would have gone off on us had we won that game, and rightfully so. If you're a fan of the game, then you're almost obligated to cry foul when there's an injustice like that. Not that I would have given the TD back. It was a bad call that went our way, and too early in the game to have said with any degree of certainty that it altered the outcome.

But I doubt that it would have been much of a distraction for the team. They'd just take it in stride, like another day at the office. If we were in the playoff stretch, then maybe, but it's only Week 2 of a long, long season.

by **savvyman** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:00 am

To answer the thread question?

NO

by **Hawk Sista** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:34 am

Not good to lose, but there are some coachable moments... For players & coaches alike. As much ball control as SD had, we can point to 3 or 4 things, done differently, that would've led to success.

It sure helped that the niners imploded. Love that their home openers (pre-season & regular prime time) were losses. #watchoutforthecards

by **HumanCockroach** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:42 am

I hate dropping a game like that, but if nothing else, it should teach the players something about focussing on the moment, the play or whatever. It "could" be a learning lesson, so hopefully it is. The defense wasn't swarming, and that is something that has to be fixed asap. They'll see it on tape, and address it.

by **Long Time Fan** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 8:48 am

Losing can be good, in this case it can be very good. I don't give a damn about avoiding the ire of some public that would question a win with the flaw of Harvin not being called out of bounds. The refs missed the call; that's not on the Seahawks. This is not golf where you self report a rule violation. Calls are missed all the time, we have no need to apologize.

I get the impression both from this forum and my own gut that this loss doesn't sting enough. This has been my overriding concern for this team, we have banked so much "feel good" that losing "a meaningless game" in terms of consequences that the pain of losing is mitigated. F that. We need to hate losing as much as ever if not more than ever. The Seahawks are the defending Superbowl Champions; they don't lose, at least not to a middling team like the chargers (small c). If this coaching staff is who I think they are, then this should be a very tough week of practice for a team with a lot yet to prove.

Embrace this loss. Remember it. How this team responds will tell the story of this season. If they didn't find losing painful enough then this is going to be a long season. Every week we play a team wanting nothing more than to beat the Superbowl champs. The Seahawks have to fight harder to keep the crown than they did to get it.

by **NorthHawk** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 9:01 am

We weren't going to win all of our games and I suspect we will lose a couple more so it's not that bad.
What I didn't like was how we lost. The Defense was taken apart and the Offense became a quick strike Offense.
It seems the whole team was backwards from the stated design of a solid Defense and a ball control Offense.

by **FolkCrusader** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 9:05 am

I agree, no loss is good. There will be plenty to look at in the film room today I think.

As others have said though. AFC team who was a playoff winner on the road, if you have to lose its the least painful game to lose.

by **MackStrongIsMyHero** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 10:23 am

In agreement with no loss being good, but good will come out of it. We go into next week with a chip on our shoulder, and I'm sure the staff and players will be working their tails off to right the ship by then. Also good to see NO and SF lose; both teams are likely in the HFA race, so it is way too early to get worried about this loss.

One very good item to note is the team came out of there with no injuries, especially in the secondary. I do hope they give the defense at least a day or two off to recuperate though; Kam and Earl and I thought a few others had to get IV's just to finish the game. The entire defense was pushed to the extreme, so they need a break.

by **Anthony** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 11:26 am

Will the defense play better form now on? YES
Will the O-line play better in pass protection fro now on? WHO KNOWS been a problem for over 2 years.
Will they give RW a check down when they see the o-line not able to pass block? Hopefully
Will Harvin fumble3 again? NO
Will our WR have 4 drops again? NO

The biggest concerns with the asnwers

by **I-5** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 12:12 pm

I hate the loss, and we got our butts kicked by a motivated team, but I love how my Seahawks hung tough to the bitter end. This hurt the defense's pride, and it will put the edge on them that they needed.

by **Hawktawk** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 12:16 pm

I used to agonize over losses so bad it ruined by whole week. But there are 3 losses over the past 3 seasons I think were pretty good losses. The playoff game vs Atlanta set the table for last years run. I was strangely at peace after that game. The second was the AZ game in Seattle that I attended last year. It was a total buzz kill walking out of the stadium but i think it helped Seattle focus the rest of the way. And yeah yesterday might have been good for them too. They were completely humbled, out coached, outplayed at every position except punter. Their conditioning looked suspect. They looked lethargic, flat. It was amazing they were a TD from winning with 3 minutes left.

That being said next weekend will tell the story. If they beat the Donkeys it was a good loss. Its a very similar team to the one that just made Seattle look silly.

If they lose yesterday was a blueprint on how to gash the legion of boom and contain Russell Wilson and if that's what just happened we can expect more losses to come..

by **Long Time Fan** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 12:33 pm

Hawktawk wrote: lose yesterday was a blueprint on how to gash the legion of boom and contain Russell Wilson and if that's what just happened we can expect more losses to come..

The "blueprint" requires an opposing qb that fits balls into tight windows. That and a TE that can catch like no other. For the teams lining up to build off that blueprint; good luck with that.

by **Hawktawk** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 12:51 pm

Long Time Fan wrote:
The "blueprint" requires an opposing qb that fits balls into tight windows. That and a TE that can catch like no other. For the teams lining up to build off that blueprint; good luck with that.

I remember a few months ago I was involved in a discussion on this forum rating top QB's. I got a lot of heat for saying Rivers is one of the best. And he is. If he won a SB he might be a HOFer. And Gates is a first ballot guy already. McCoy looks like an up and coming coach. They are a whisker from being 2-0 in the NFC West.I could see them winning their division.

The team coming up to the Clink next week has a serious woody for Seattle and they have exactly the personnel to follow that blueprint. Big difference between going on a week vacation 2-1 or 1-2. Our guys spent a lot of time bragging and woofing and dissing Denver last off season. The bill has come due now. They better have their A game.....

by **HumanCockroach** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 1:08 pm

You got that heat partially from me, and I would again strongly disagree with even an inkling of HOF credit to a QB that threw more picks than TD's over a two year period leading into last season. We'll see how this season plays out, but he has a hell of a lot more to prove to me personally to even be mentioned in the same sentence as ANY HOF caliber QB. The man played scared for years. It's great that he can connect with Gates and check down to a bunch of RB's but even yesterday against a top flight defense, he played perhaps his greatest game in four seasons, and he certainly played tough and well, but elite? Nah. He took what was given, and performed well, beyond that, not overly impressed.

Just the way I see it, and I said similar things to others insisting Palmer was the best QB in the NFC west ( especially considering he had two full turd seasons prior to your claim, as did Palmer).

Edit: I aapologize he did not throw more picks than TD's, and I was wrong in that assessment, still nowhere near HOF caliber IMHO

by **HumanCockroach** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 1:13 pm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... vePh00.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... ieDa00.htm

Here is how I view Rivers. A Really good, sometimes Pro Bowl caliber, tough minded individual that is streaky good sometimes.

by **NorthHawk** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 1:13 pm

Not sure there is a blueprint for playing any team because teams change by design to keep the opposition off kilter and shore up inadequacies.
One thing that is afforded the CHAMPEEN OF THE WORLD is a large form fitting bulls eye that every other team wants to hit.
It comes with the territory as all players and teams want to test themselves against the best. And this year that's us.

by **Long Time Fan** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 1:20 pm

Phillip Rivers like our boy Matt Hasselbeck could at times look HOF worthy, but neither truly meets that standard. Both guys have great attitudes and leadership that combined with hot stretches could trick their teams followers into believing that they are more than they are, but neither merits that HOF level consideration.

And Yes, the seahawks happen to being playing a team this weekend capable of materializing that blueprint. Will Manning take the underneath stuff that Rivers used so successfully?

by **#37** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 3:15 pm

Long Time Fan wrote:The Seahawks have to fight harder to keep the crown than they did to get it.

Wise words...

by **Hawktawk** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 3:39 pm

Long Time Fan wrote:Phillip Rivers like our boy Matt Hasselbeck could at times look HOF worthy, but neither truly meets that standard. Both guys have great attitudes and leadership that combined with hot stretches could trick their teams followers into believing that they are more than they are, but neither merits that HOF level consideration.

And Yes, the seahawks happen to being playing a team this weekend capable of materializing that blueprint. Will Manning take the underneath stuff that Rivers used so successfully?

Manning will absolutely take the underneath stuff, thats his game these days. The Hawks stuffed them in the SB by being excellent at all 11 defensive positions. But Denver led the league in YAC last year and its likely Welker will be suiting up as well. Its gonna take a great effort.

I love Hasslebeck but he only recorded a QBR of over 90 twice in his career, 2005-2007. His career QBR is mid 80s. Rivers career QBR is 96.7 and he has had 4 seasons over 100.His TD to interception ratio is far better than Hasslebeck. Hes thrown for more yards than anyone but Drew Brees over the past 5 seasons. Rivers is on another level from Hass.

by **#37** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 3:52 pm

Hawktawk wrote:its likely Welker will be suiting up as well.

http://predominantlyorange.com/2014/09/ ... -seahawks/

by **Hawk Sista** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 11:01 am

I loved Matt, still do & always will. Until Russ, he was the best we had in franchise history. I literally cried seeing him in a Titans uni. I was in a bar in downtown Seattle before the Zona game Matt's first year away. People at neighboring tables had a hard time seeing him play for another team too. He was good, very good. But his body of work wasn't great. He had moments of greatness, but his career was just a good/ very solid one.... & there is NO shame in that. In our hearts, he will always be revered... wish he coulda hoisted the Lombardi as he was CLEARLY the better QB on the field that day.

All that said, Phillip is a much better QB and a notch (or two) above Matt. He was unbelievable last year w/ very few weapons around him. He won games in spite of the management, not because of them. The Mannings (as BS as I still think it was) didn't want Eli going to a franchise that made historically stupid decisions like firing a coach after going 14 & 2, getting rid of V-Jax & sproles, & on n on. Rivers just may have won an SB by now if they kept those two. If Rivers wins an SB, I think he's borderline HOF. He'd need two to make us forget about the weird years.

Back to the subject. IMHO, the only way last week's loss can be considered a "good thing" is if we learn, get better and reach our goals (I know by saying "we" & "our," it makes it sound like I'm on the team - but these Hawks and their coaches go out of their way to thank the 12s (that's us, y'all) and acknowledge us....in the uniform design, in press conferences and in so many ways). If we lose out on the playoffs or HFA by one game, this could be a game we scratch our heads about. I'll go so far as to scrap what I just said and say if we lose tomorrow, the SD loss was very bad indeed. The questions we don't know the answers to just yet are- did we lose a tough away game to a great team in terrible heat, or are the losses of WT3, Lane, Red, Clem and McDonald going to weaken this squad?? One of the biggest strengths of the 2013 iteration of this D was the depth at every position. That's not the case this year (or at least it's not feeling like it right now). I'd love to have WT3 back. We just need a lil time to see the impact.

One final add - the chargers (small c) are better than a mid flight team. They were a solid playoff team last year; this year I think they have a good shot to sweep the raiders & chiefs & split w/ the donkeys. They just could win the other western conference.

by **HumanCockroach** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 12:05 pm

We are talking about the same Chargers team that made the playoffs by beating the Chiefs backups on two blown calls ( that the NFL acknowledged were blown calls) right Sis? The one that won a tie breaker over Miami and Pittsburgh only because of those calls, that for all intents and purposes should have been watching those playoffs from the comfort of their couches. "Solid playoff" team just doesn't describe the team from last season to me. They may be one this year, but not last season.

by **Hawk Sista** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 10:14 pm

The chargers won some nice games last year & Rivers can flat out sling it. The blown calls aren't the chargers fault. There are many that'd have you believe it was the fail Mary call's fault that GB didn't win the Super Bowl the year before last. I'm sorry, bad calls are a part of it.... For us all. They are a good squad now and last year both. Stick'n to my guns.

by **HumanCockroach** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 10:37 pm

Sorry sis, there is a big difference between week three, with thirteen games to play, plus the playoffs and the SB, and a win or go home game, on the final play against backups the two are not equatable in my opinion, not even remotely.GB had opportunity after opportunity to change the course of their season ( and we are ignoring that in the GB game the CORRECT call was made to begin with) that ONE call change the name of the team in the playoffs ( namely from Steelers to Chargers), the Bolts were a mediocre team last year. Just the truth of it. As I said, they may not be this season, only the season will tell, but I'm not going along with the 9-7 team from last season, that was only 9-7 because of a couple blatantly bad calls against backups was some sort of quality juggernaut.

Are we claiming last years Steelers were also a "quality" playoff team as well? Because in my book, they were equivalent at best, at worst, the Bolts weren't as good as that team in Pittsburgh.

by **Hawk Sista** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 11:59 pm

No. Never catch me dead claiming the stealers are quality anything. ;-)

In all honestly - I saw 2 charger games last year and they looked solid to me. I'm not gonna go back & research it. Admittedly I could be wrong. I just think we lost to a good team, a playoff team, in the heat & away. I'm just not gonna start screaming about this loss.

by **HumanCockroach** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 12:09 am

Hawk Sista wrote:No. Never catch me dead claiming the stealers are quality anything.

In all honestly - I saw 2 charger games last year and they looked solid to me. I'm not gonna go back & research it. Admittedly I could be wrong. I just think we lost to a good team, a playoff team, in the heat & away. I'm just not gonna start screaming about this loss.

Don't misunderstand me, I'm not screaming about this loss either, just was pointing out that the Chargers weren't some sort of quality playoff team last season is all. Rivers probably just completed his best game in three years last Sunday, and while certainly a "good" QB, I'm not one to dismiss the loss as some sort of loss to a SB contending team. Simply don't see it, at least not last year, and up to this point not this year either ( ie they found a way to lose the game to Arizona) and wouldn't in the least be in anyway shape or form be surprised to see them miss the playoffs this season, or even finish the year with a losing record.

It doesn't mean they are rubbish, just that they have holes that can be exploited, I don't expect Rivers or Gates to consistently play out of their minds. That was their playoff game IMHO for this season, but as always, the furturefuture is impossible to predict, we'll see where and how they finish at the end of the year.

by **HumanCockroach** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:00 am

Fair enough, the season will play out and we'll see.

by **Zorn76** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 6:19 pm

HumanCockroach wrote:Fair enough, the season will play out and we'll see.

It played out well today.

A loss at home Definitely would not have been a good thing heading into the bye week:)

by **HawkDawg** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:18 pm

We were one snap away from a loss at home today. Given we were playing the second best team in FB right now, it's was a bit of a reality check.

by **obiken** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 11:24 pm

We had to have this game like I said but by hook and by crook we got it. Now we move on, and hope Zona is as good as I think they are.
SF is imploding, its scary and delightful to watch!! We have to do better, and we will.

by **obiken** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 11:24 pm

We had to have this game like I said but by hook and by crook we got it. Now we move on, and hope Zona is as good as I think they are.
SF is imploding, its scary and delightful to watch!! We have to do better, and we will.

by **obiken** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 11:28 pm

In the next 6 games we should win 4 and be 6-3. Then we can strike for the crown again.

by **HumanCockroach** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 11:40 pm

Seems like you're aiming low there. Honestly all six are definitely doable, with the toughest of the lot being Carolina. Skins, Giants, Boys, Rams and Oakland doesn't seem like murderers row to me. I could see dropping a game at Carolina, but I'll be sorely dissapointed to lose any of the other five, and still feel that Carolina can ( and should IMHO) be a game the Hawks should expect to win.

by **Zorn76** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 11:53 pm

Boy, did the Panthers look bad tonight or what?

Getting blown out by the Steelers, who had really been sub par to this point.

Carolina has very little margin for error. They are sunk if they have to come from behind.

by **HumanCockroach** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 12:01 am

Yeah the Panthers got absolutely dismantled tonight. Never thought I would see that defense get absolutely owned like that by a pretty "average" offense, it was surprising to say the least.

by **RiverDog** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 3:54 am

Zorn76 wrote:Boy, did the Panthers look bad tonight or what?

Getting blown out by the Steelers, who had really been sub par to this point.

Carolina has very little margin for error. They are sunk if they have to come from behind.

Yea, the Steelers had gone 8 quarters in a row without scoring a TD, and were misfiring early. I thought that Carolina's defense was a lot better than what they showed and was beginning to get concerned about going in there to play them in another month. Now they look pretty human.

That leaves just two unbeaten teams in the NFC, the Cards and the Eagles. That loss last weekend is looking more and more manageable, especially with the Niners getting beat again.

by **mykc14** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 11:36 am

obiken wrote:In the next 6 games we should win 4 and be 6-3. Then we can strike for the crown again.

I have to agree this is setting the bar a little low. This is the 'soft' part of our schedule this year and we have to capitalize. No doubt cross country trips are going to be tough, but we are the best damn team in football and can win each of those games.

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