Our super expensive rb/wr had -1 yard today on offense

[briwas101]

Five games into season 2 and its obvious that Tate is better than Harvin and they screwed the pooch with the trade and contract.

The hawks completely changed their offense to allow Harvin to play (harvin only catches passes at LOS and takes handoffs) and it has not been good.

Just imagine how much better we would be if we had used the money and draft picks on o-line and a real WR.

[HumanCockroach]

SMH.

[briwas101]

SMH.

You really added a lot with your reply.

Harvin is a mediocre football player and the trade and contract is setting us back.

Harvin is hurting the hawks

[HumanCockroach]

No reason to reply to someone that has a bias against a specific player, and is talking out their a#$ and obviously doesn't research or study a thing prior to doing so. I've done it before whether it be about Irvin, or the offensive line. You been on this train forever, and no matter what Harvin did, does or accomplishes, you'll still be on it. So your response is.

SMH.

[RiverDog]

briwas is right. Harvin is not worth what we're paying for him either in terms of payroll or draft capital. But it isn't Harvin's fault.

We're not utilizing him properly. Bevel didn't even have him on the field in a number of critical 3rd down plays. Everyone and his dog is sitting on those bubble screens and fly sweeps. We're not even trying to get him the ball downfield.

[HumanCockroach]

LOL. Look more PH fans. Harvin doesn't call the plays, design them or make game plan decisions. Until Bevell figures out how to make Harvin "part" of the offense, instead of the whole damn enchilada ( as he has now down in two games this season, which also just so happens to be the two losses currently carried by this team). Not sure why he does it, but it obviously does happen. No excuse for not pounding the crap out of a team ranked in the cellar against the run, none what so ever. This is a power team, and it seems he is attempting to single handedly change that identity.

Pretty clear Dallas placed an enormous priority on Harvin ( which means he WAS indeed valuable in this game) problem was, that while Dallas and about a million fans saw and recognised that quickly, Bevell may still not grasp it.

[Zorn76]

IMO, it's not Harvin's fault for the way he's being used.

Of all things, he's not being used enough as a straight forward, down the field threat WR. They've become too preoccupied with gimmick screens and jet sweeps, the latter of which should just be tossed out for the next 8 weeks or so.

Problem is, as I mentioned elsewhere, is the OL's inability to hold blocks with any consistency. Both lines were poor today, overall.

But to single out Harvin is ridiculous. Doing so is a good way to lose credibility pretty quick.

[Hawktawk]

On the last offensive play which was a poorly thrown interception in the direction of Luke Willson Harvin was running wide open down the seam 5 yards from where Wilson threw the ball. Harvin isn't the problem, Bevell is, and today Wilson was as well. They both have looked really good at times this season and today wasn't one of those times. Our offense was just disjointed and bad all around.

And yes, we miss Tate hes a top 5 reciever right now.

[c_hawkbob]

I think Pete fell in love with last weeks results and tried to duplicate the game plan. It didn't work and we didn't adjust properly.

Now we do the same thing we've done with our defense, get back to basics and move forward.

[RiverDog]

LOL. Look more PH fans. Harvin doesn't call the plays, design them or make game plan decisions. Until Bevell figures out how to make Harvin "part" of the offense, instead of the whole damn enchilada ( as he has now down in two games this season, which also just so happens to be the two losses currently carried by this team). Not sure why he does it, but it obviously does happen. No excuse for not pounding the crap out of a team ranked in the cellar against the run, none what so ever. This is a power team, and it seems he is attempting to single handedly change that identity.

Pretty clear Dallas placed an enormous priority on Harvin ( which means he WAS indeed valuable in this game) problem was, that while Dallas and about a million fans saw and recognised that quickly, Bevell may still not grasp it.

He wasn't very valuable on a lot of big 3rd down plays. He was standing in the sideline for about 3 straight 3rd downs in the 2nd half. Is our playbook that thin that we don't have a 3rd and 7 play that can utilize Harvin at least as a decoy?

[briwas101]

IMO, it's not Harvin's fault for the way he's being used.

Of all things, he's not being used enough as a straight forward, down the field threat WR. They've become too preoccupied with gimmick screens and jet sweeps, the latter of which should just be tossed out for the next 8 weeks or so.

Problem is, as I mentioned elsewhere, is the OL's inability to hold blocks with any consistency. Both lines were poor today, overall.

But to single out Harvin is ridiculous. Doing so is a good way to lose credibility pretty quick.

I singled him out because him being on the roster is the #1 problem.

If the hawks had never traded for Harvin we would have kept Tate, and no one is stupid enough to think we would be running "the harvin offense" if he was never on the team.

Our most expensive offensive player (in both contract and draft capital) was never what we needed (a #1 wr and 5 new OL) and he is the reason/excuse for Bevell completely changing the offense. We saw our offense last year with harvin on the sidelines, and there is very little resemblance to the offense we see today. That isnt by accident. Bevell is now running the offense the way he WOULD HAVE if harvin played in 2013. This is what Bevell wanted and what Pete approved of.

You can't be a smashmouth team if you're running a finesse gimmick scheme. Last year we were smashmouth, this year we are gimmick.

Is it Harvin's fault that he was a horrible fit for the Hawks and it was a colossal blunder from day 1? No. Harvin is who he is. He is a rb who catches almost all his passes at the line of scrimmage, and a returner. It is not his fault that Pete and John messed up.

So when I say it is Harvin's fault, what I really mean is that it's the fault of the people in charge who made the worst trade in Hawks history. Having harvin (the most overrated player of the last decade imo) caused the team to shoot itself in the foot by fixing something that wasn't broken.

[HumanCockroach]

SMH

[Hawktawk]

So when I say it is Harvin's fault, what I really mean is that it's the fault of the people in charge who made the worst trade in Hawks history. Having harvin (the most overrated player of the last decade imo) caused the team to shoot itself in the foot by fixing something that wasn't broken.[/quote]

Harvin was a huge factor in Seattle winning the Super bowl. For that alone he is far from the worst trade in Hawks history. And he has had some impact plays this year including a 50 yard kickoff return yesterday that Bevell completely squandered. Bevell is the problem. RW has been making plays that are totally DOA work for 2.5 seasons as the announcers for the skins game pointed out. Shitty line and poor play calling is catching up. It looks like teams are game planning Seattle and RW more for plays that break down than plays that are well executed. San Diego did it and Dallas did it even better at our place. And they definitely made a decision to take away Harvin but Bevell kept slamming him into the brick wall. Yesterday called for some I formation with a fullback and 2 tight ends and Wilson utilizing play action off the run game. If they keep going like this both Harvin and RW are going to wind up injured.

[Seahawks4Ever]

I absolutely put this loss and the lack of a coherent offense on Darrell Bevell and of course Pete Carroll because ultimately he is in charge. All during the first half I kept yelling FEED THE BEAST but Bevell kept feeding Harvin and everyone knew he was going to get the ball.

I am extremely disappointed in Pete excuse as to why ML didn't get the ball very much, PC-" we were never in a rythym bcause we would be 3 and out.

RThat is a STUPID statement. We were 3 and out because Bevell refused to feed the beast and Pete should have fire Bevell 3 years ago.

RD is 100% correct, PH at least should have been a decoy on some of those 3rd. and 6 plays. And what was that gimmick using punt returner Walters coming around like he was running a reverse and then RW flipping him the ball as if Walters was supposed to now throw the ball????????????????????? That was one of the idiotic plays I have ever seen any team run let alone the Seahawks.

The offense is out of sync because D.Bevell has been allowed to ruin what used to be the best running game in the NFL.

Pete better man-up and put his foot up Bevell's behind and straighten him out or Pete himself will be down the road. M.H. is in the wings and is salivating at what he could do with this kind of talent on offense!

[mykc14]

I absolutely put this loss and the lack of a coherent offense on Darrell Bevell and of course Pete Carroll because ultimately he is in charge. All during the first half I kept yelling FEED THE BEAST but Bevell kept feeding Harvin and everyone knew he was going to get the ball.

I am extremely disappointed in Pete excuse as to why ML didn't get the ball very much, PC-" we were never in a rythym bcause we would be 3 and out.

RThat is a STUPID statement. We were 3 and out because Bevell refused to feed the beast and Pete should have fire Bevell 3 years ago.

RD is 100% correct, PH at least should have been a decoy on some of those 3rd. and 6 plays. And what was that gimmick using punt returner Walters coming around like he was running a reverse and then RW flipping him the ball as if Walters was supposed to now throw the ball????????????????????? That was one of the idiotic plays I have ever seen any team run let alone the Seahawks.

The offense is out of sync because D.Bevell has been allowed to ruin what used to be the best running game in the NFL.

Pete better man-up and put his foot up Bevell's behind and straighten him out or Pete himself will be down the road. M.H. is in the wings and is salivating at what he could do with this kind of talent on offense!

There is no doubt that Bevell is starting to get a little too cute with the offense. There were a few plays where they started to overthink themselves, but lets not forget we were the number 1 running offense in the league before yesterday. We have moved to a spread running attack, which I don't mind, but we don't need the extra 'gimmic' plays (i.e. the play to walters). Other than Beast getting hurt, which wasn't the case yesterday, there is no way he should only get 2 carries in the first half. That is completely on Bevel. There is no doubt the offense was out of sync, but lets stay off the ledge. RW was off. O line played poorly. Bevell called a bad game. Multiple dropped passes. The Cowboys had an excellent game plan, played it to perfection, and made multiple big plays when they needed to. When that happens you don't win. There is enough blame to go around. I believe that all of those offensive woes are fixable. My worry has much more to do with the pass rush, or lack thereof. We are not getting any help there. My fear at the beginning of the year is that we wouldn't be able to replace Clem or McDonald and we haven't. IMO the biggest current concern on this team is the lack of pass rush and there is no help on the horizon for that, which means we better start scoring more points.

[NorthHawk]

I think Zach Miller is more important to our Offense than we thought. His run blocking is better than any of the other TEs, and he has good hands and awareness when Russ improvises.

[BelizeHawk]

In my mind there is no doubt the hawks would have been better off with the draft picks they gave up for Harvin and a less expensive golden Tate. That being said harvin's lack of production is on bevell and to a lesser extent Russell Wilson. I echo the sentiments of Many on here in saying Harvin should be allowed to earn his money as a wr, not some bs dennard Robinson kind of secret weapon.

[RiverDog]

I think Zach Miller is more important to our Offense than we thought. His run blocking is better than any of the other TEs, and he has good hands and awareness when Russ improvises.

Agreed. Miller is a better pass blocker than our tackles. We also were without Unger, too.

But that doesn't address the statement made in the OP. As much as some hate to admit it, Percy Harvin was not a factor in Sunday's game. It seems to me that teams have started adjusting, taking away the bubble screens and fly sweeps. That was one of the worst defenses in the league we went up against, and we couldn't exploit it with the most explosive player in the game. Pretty embarrassing if you ask me.

IMO we're over using him in the plays that start out horizontally. We need to get him upfield on some crossing patterns. Of course, that assumes we can protect our quarterback long enough for him to get downfield.