Schnieder's failure at the skill positions.

[BelizeHawk]

Michael can't even get on the field? What is going on there?
It is early for p rich and Norwood but they can't even get on the field over guys like lockette and Walters?
I honestly don't understand what is going on with our offensive personnel these days.
Give these guys a chance.

[briwas101]

The problem with drafting Richardson is that it appears the Hawks wanted a replacement for Harvin if he gets hurt, but the Hawks had no evidence that an offense with Harvin is very good. I would say we're better off with Harvin on the sideline with an injury.

So we drafted Richardson so he can come in and hopefully be as ineffective as Harvin...poor use of a draft pick when we need some traditional wr talent.

We have Michael sitting on the bench when we could've used a top offensive lineman instead.

The hawks have had needs, and Pete and John neglected them. They ignored the team's needs and we are seeing the results.

[mykc14]

The problem with drafting Richardson is that it appears the Hawks wanted a replacement for Harvin if he gets hurt, but the Hawks had no evidence that an offense with Harvin is very good. I would say we're better off with Harvin on the sideline with an injury.

So we drafted Richardson so he can come in and hopefully be as ineffective as Harvin...poor use of a draft pick when we need some traditional wr talent.

We have Michael sitting on the bench when we could've used a top offensive lineman instead.

The hawks have had needs, and Pete and John neglected them. They ignored the team's needs and we are seeing the results.

IMO, we drafted Richardson because he supposedly can do what Harvin hasn't done in his career, which is stretch the D. Harvin is a YAC guy but hasn't been used as a deep threat his entire career where Richardson wasn't a huge YAC guy in college (except for catching a long pass and running with it). For whatever reason Richardson hasn't been able to see any real playing time, including a healthy scratch yesterday. I LOVE the idea of Richardson in this offense, but obviously its not working out right now.

[obiken]

Again, I know its early but I cried about the Richardson pick from day one as well. Way too small. Your fast Smerfs don't cut it anymore.

[Anthony]

I think the answer is Norwood, a 6-2 guy with the wingspan of a 7 footer, who catches everything in his reach and runs a 4.4 and knows hot to fight for the ball and use his body to shield defenders. Problem is he needed surgery and now for whatever reason they are not even giving him a shot. Yet Walters get son the filed in 3rd downs so he can do....nothing

[RiverDog]

I was disappointed in the Richardson pick, but that's nothing new. I've been disappointed with our use of our top picks for the past 4 years. Sometimes it takes a while for them to pan out, like Carpenter appears to finally be doing this season. It took Golden Tate several years before he became a factor, although Tate could at least contribute on special teams while we were waiting on him.

I don't know what's going on with Michael. I keep hearing these rave reviews of him, how explosive of a ball carrier he is, but we're well into Year 2 and he's still 3rd on the depth chart and sometimes doesn't even suit up. Is he that bad of a blocker that his deficiencies trumps this explosive character of his running game? I can't believe that the plan was to stash him on our 53 man roster for 2-3 years until Beast starts to slow down. He's really starting to look like a lemon.

[BelizeHawk]

I've heard rumors that Michael is just plain bad. He can't remember the playbook, can't block, can't stay in his lanes. I don't know if I believe it, if he was that bad why take up a roster spot with him? And why not bring in some competition at the position especially earlier when lynch was holding out.
But something is going on for him not to get a single fricking touch.

[HumanCockroach]

There is no set time frame for a player to be considered a good pick, sometimes, it takes a while ( and honestly the whole Receiver thing shocks me over and over again. ALL receivers take a few years to hit their stride, even guys named Jeffrey,Brown, Thomas, Tate, Nelson, Jackson, Johnson, Marshall name them,all the receivers you guys are constantly clamoring for, and it took them a full season or THREE to become what they became. It's just a ridiculous thought process to claim otherwise, or think that a rookie receiver should be fully polished day one. It doesn't happen).

As for Micheal, his ability with the ball in his hands isn't really debateable, watch him in the Falcons game last season if you don't want to believe his pre season rushes. I'm not entirely sure why he hasn't seen the field, but I know it isn't talent maybe it is study related, maybe it is pass blocking deficiencies not really sure, but I do find it fascinating how quickly people want to start lambasting the BEST FO in the NFL over the last five years. Schneider and Carroll have blown up and rebuilt a SB Champion, faster than I have ever witnessed, and did so in the salary cap, FA timeframe, and now there is some huge issue with judgement??

Carroll and Schneider identified and procurred almost EVERY player on this team, every skill player currently residing in Seattle came from them. Is Lynch a bust as well? Wilson? Baldwin? Kearse? Miller? Sherman? Thomas? Chancellor? how many "hits" on "skill position" players is needed, to pass your guys bar?

INSANE.

[NorthHawk]

It's obviously more difficult to select players that can contribute or start on an already stacked team. I think they could have put more emphasis on the OL, though as that area is the weakest part of the team.

[HumanCockroach]

I could almost accept the Schneider and Carroll whiff on lineman thing, skill players though? That is laughable. They continue as always to invest in that line, not much you can do with players that continually are injured, teams aren't spending first and second round picks on guys they expect to be backups there, so you get stuck with exactly what Seattle has, several early draft picks with talent ( four of five) with "their" guys backing them up, it isn't unique to Seattle, Santa Clara is in the same boat right now as we type, name a team with a great or good line, and I'll be happy to discuss the value of the guys behind them ( none, or so little as to be irrelevant to what you are wanting) every team in the NFL has backup caliber lineman, behind their starters , after all that IS what makes them backups. Seattle unfortunately, happens to have a LOT of injuries amongst their starters, just part of life in the NFL.

[briwas101]

There is no set time frame for a player to be considered a good pick, sometimes, it takes a while ( and honestly the whole Receiver thing shocks me over and over again. ALL receivers take a few years to hit their stride, even guys named Jeffrey,Brown, Thomas, Tate, Nelson, Jackson, Johnson, Marshall name them,all the receivers you guys are constantly clamoring for, and it took them a full season or THREE to become what they became. It's just a ridiculous thought process to claim otherwise, or think that a rookie receiver should be fully polished day one. It doesn't happen).

As for Micheal, his ability with the ball in his hands isn't really debateable, watch him in the Falcons game last season if you don't want to believe his pre season rushes. I'm not entirely sure why he hasn't seen the field, but I know it isn't talent maybe it is study related, maybe it is pass blocking deficiencies not really sure, but I do find it fascinating how quickly people want to start lambasting the BEST FO in the NFL over the last five years. Schneider and Carroll have blown up and rebuilt a SB Champion, faster than I have ever witnessed, and did so in the salary cap, FA timeframe, and now there is some huge issue with judgement??

Carroll and Schneider identified and procurred almost EVERY player on this team, every skill player currently residing in Seattle came from them. Is Lynch a bust as well? Wilson? Baldwin? Kearse? Miller? Sherman? Thomas? Chancellor? how many "hits" on "skill position" players is needed, to pass your guys bar?

INSANE.

They have also been bottom-5 in the nfl for top draft picks, and they have been complete and utter failures when it comes to spending big money on players who had never put on a hawks uni before (Rice and Harvin).

The hawks success has been from hitting on late draft picks and low-risk high reward guys.

It is 100% wrong to act like Pete and John have been successful in all areas.

They are the best when it comes to late picks, and are among the worst with early picks and big contracts for non-hawks. They have made plenty of bad decisions and will continue to do so. We just have to hope that their good moves more than make up for their horrible moves.

[briwas101]

I could almost accept the Schneider and Carroll whiff on lineman thing, skill players though? That is laughable. They continue as always to invest in that line, not much you can do with players that continually are injured, teams aren't spending first and second round picks on guys they expect to be backups there, so you get stuck with exactly what Seattle has, several early draft picks with talent ( four of five) with "their" guys backing them up, it isn't unique to Seattle, Santa Clara is in the same boat right now as we type, name a team with a great or good line, and I'll be happy to discuss the value of the guys behind them ( none, or so little as to be irrelevant to what you are wanting) every team in the NFL has backup caliber lineman, behind their starters , after all that IS what makes them backups. Seattle unfortunately, happens to have a LOT of injuries amongst their starters, just part of life in the NFL.

Injuries are a weak excuse because we have had a banged up oline for years and nothing has been done to deal with the INEVITABLE injuries.

The hawks keep doing the same thing over and over (neglecting oline) and expecting a different result.

Until they get the oline fixed they should be using 4 picks every year just on the oline. They cant keep pretending that adding 1 is enough, even if its an early pick.

Oline has been our biggest weakness every year Cable has been here. Its a failure on him as well. The problem has not been addressed and will continue to be a problem until they take it seriously.

[HumanCockroach]

LMAO. Whatever, look at the draft picks, and get back to me. Until people acknowledge that MORE draft capital has been spent there than any other unit at the tops of drafts, they aren't being honest, not only with me, but with themselves.

Every team has "suspect" backups, every single one. Plenty of teams patch their line together because of injuries, in fact MOST teams have to do that( hell Seattle just did it last damn season and won the whole damn thing, as did Denver the opponent in said SB, or did people think all five of their starting offensive lineman were playing that game? I sometimes wonder if people even look outside of their little box, because sstatements like this certainly don't make it look as though they do)

Seattle isn't "unique" in line injuries, it goes with the territory, across the NFL, and currently Seattle, not those others carries with it the title. Philly is coping with it as we speak, SC has coped with it already this season, Washington, Atlanta pick a team. It isn't an "excuse" it is simply the fact of life in the NFL.

this thread was about SKILL players, and how badly they missed on them, they haven't, and have actually hit on more than the majority of the NFL

( as for the Cable statement, please tell me how awesome it was prior to his arrival again, I've lost track of all the all pro's from Mora's offensive line before he arrived)

[NorthHawk]

Throwing bones to the OL in the 7th round or FA isn't the same as using mid round picks. The odds of finding an overlooked diamond are much smaller than using a mid round pick each year.
Just because they've spent good money on the OL doesn't mean they shouldn't continue to try to upgrade it with quality picks. After all, it is the weakest part of this team and Okung and Unger are getting injured most years so good young replacements should be part of the plan.
As well, Okung's contract is coming due. If he gets a better offer, who goes to LT? This OL could quickly look like the Packers OL of the last couple of years which isn't something to look forward to.

[HumanCockroach]

LOL, you mean "bones" like Britt, Okung, Carpenter, and Moffitt? Lots of lineman on this team that were drafted early ( you can add Unger but he wasn't,their pick) I guess people can complain if they think they should have been using picks on lineman to back up lineman with more first and second round picks, but to me that seems simply a stupid waste of picks, not some sort of smart plan for injuries. No team does that, and if there is one, they aren't winning.

[Long Time Fan]

Wow a thread about Schnieder's failures.

One would think this would be a very short subject matter.

Just taking a small shot at the negativity this week. I expect views will change after the upcoming game vs. the Rams. I almost feel sorry for the Rams with what I expect is in store for them. A very focused Seahawks team.

[RiverDog]

Wow a thread about Schnieder's failures.

One would think this would be a very short subject matter.

Just taking a small shot at the negativity this week. I expect views will change after the upcoming game vs. the Rams. I almost feel sorry for the Rams with what I expect is in store for them. A very focused Seahawks team.

As a rule, there's going to be more discussion on a controversial topic than there will be on one that has widespread agreement. How many presidential press conferences draw questions that are congratulatory or complimentary of the administration's policies?

The Seahawks and Pete Carroll deserve a grilling. We played poorly. Our coaches made bad decisions. Long term problems seem more apparent in defeat than they do in victory. That's just the way it goes.

I hope you're right about the Rams, but we're going to have a tough time beating them if we don't get more pressure on their quarterback. Any quarterback that's good enough to make an NFL roster is going to complete passes when you give him 4 or 5 seconds to find an open receiver. It's an easy position to play when you're given as much time as we've been giving our opponents lately. Something has to change.

[Long Time Fan]

Something has to change.

That's why they play the next game.

I share your concerns over the missteps. I believe that over the course of the season that the ship will be righted in time to meet the team's goals. After an initial period of questioning PC coaching style, I have become taken with it; a positive approach that addressing the challenges in a positive frame of mind. In a thread that critics a system and record of success, I side on the glass half full frame of mind.

[Zorn76]

Michael can't even get on the field? What is going on there?
It is early for p rich and Norwood but they can't even get on the field over guys like lockette and Walters?
I honestly don't understand what is going on with our offensive personnel these days.
Give these guys a chance.

Something's up here.

Whether it's a nagging injury, his understanding of the playbook, or stories of him needing to work on his blocking technique in practice that I read here or elsewhere.

Regardless, the team can not afford to bank on this guy for the future. While RB's have become more or less a penny stock in April, the Seahawks would do well to find a legit replacement for Lynch next spring. We're a run first team by nature, and will continue to be in part because the pass protection is still a work in progress. To simply plug n play an adequate back won't be good enough.

SF looks to have found a good one in Carlos Hyde. Big, strong, fast kid - who's managed to get himself on the field as a rook. I like Turbin's metal and change of pace to spell Beast, be he isn't a #1 to be featured for the coming seasons. Right up there for the holes we need to fill for 2015 is a RB that can, at the very least, get on the field and contribute in year one.

I'm rooting for Michael to be the guy, but it's clear that he hasn't earned PT from Carroll, despite glowing reviews coming out of August. A pass rusher and OL prospects will likely get higher priority, and rightfully so. But running back can't be ignored as a late round afterthought, either.

Meanwhile, depending on Lynch's health and production, I think it'd be a good idea to work as hard as possible to keep him for 2015. His 5 million cap number will have to come down a bit, but it'd be foolish, IMO, to simply dismiss the guy without a real effort to keep him around.

[HumanCockroach]

Big difference between 'grilling' a coach or a team for a poorly executed gameplan or play RD, quite another to question a FO draft picks ( especially one that seems to have a knack for hitting home runs on a consistent and constant basis) and just delivered the first SB victory in the franchises history. Not remotely the same thing.

[RiverDog]

Something's up here (with Michael).

Whether it's a nagging injury, his understanding of the playbook, or stories of him needing to work on his blocking technique in practice that I read here or elsewhere.

Regardless, the team can not afford to bank on this guy for the future. While RB's have become more or less a penny stock in April, the Seahawks would do well to find a legit replacement for Lynch next spring. We're a run first team by nature, and will continue to be in part because the pass protection is still a work in progress. To simply plug n play an adequate back won't be good enough.

I'm rooting for Michael to be the guy, but it's clear that he hasn't earned PT from Carroll, despite glowing reviews coming out of August. A pass rusher and OL prospects will likely get higher priority, and rightfully so. But running back can't be ignored as a late round afterthought, either.

Not sure what to think about Michael. We're getting conflicting information. You know that Pete's always going to paint a smiley face on everything and everybody, but his actions don't match his words. It's like Percy's status last November-January, only on a much smaller scale. It's a mystery as to why we're not seeing more of Christine Michael, especially after we heard all this talk about a running back by committee approach prior to the start of the season. I suspect it must be something a little embarrassing, like learning the playbook, or else Pete would be a little more open about it.

[Seahawks4Ever]

I have saying FOR YEARS that P.C. and J.S. whiffing at the top of the draft or simply giving away 3rd. round picks as if they were 7th. rd. picks was going to cost this team down the road. Well, we are down the road and it is costing us.