The Question Has To Be Asked - Is Percy Harvin....

[HawkWow]

Do we dare have him return kicks?

[Steady_Hawk]

So if he gets hurt in the next game is his 2014 salary still guaranteed? I'm a little fuzzy on this.

Not if we don't designate him on IR. I'm not sure if there is a rule that you have to designate a player on IR if he's hurt. You would just have dead weight taking up a roster spot.

Doesn't matter at this point, the Hawks were never getting rid of the guy as some speculated as a possibility.

[Steady_Hawk]

Do we dare have him return kicks?

Good question. I would wait until the SB if we are blessed enough to make it there. That seems to be how his hip flared up in the first place.

[Distant Relative]

So if he gets hurt in the next game is his 2014 salary still guaranteed? I'm a little fuzzy on this.

Not if we don't designate him on IR. I'm not sure if there is a rule that you have to designate a player on IR if he's hurt. You would just have dead weight taking up a roster spot.

Doesn't matter at this point, the Hawks were never getting rid of the guy as some speculated as a possibility.

That's what I'm worried about Steady. What if the dude is coming back just to "do what he has to do" to keep his contract rolling?

I hope I'm wrong but given his past I wouldn't put it past him.

[c_hawkbob]

[Steady_Hawk]

Sweet! Nothing better than a pissed off Percy Harvin.

I hope most of the hate came from our Niner buddies.

[Hawk Sista]

Ok..... So I crafted my "Percy went to therapy" post 1/2 in jest & before the end of Pete's presser. In all seriousness... I have no idea what's true except that it ain't what we'll be told in an official press conference. It'll be fun to see what happens in the coming weeks. What if Percy plays? What if he's the Super Bowl MVP? Ha! Oh my...

On a side note, Percy is the name of one of the engines in Thomas the Train... A children's book (series, actually). My nephew loved Thomas and and his friends...particularly Percy. When he was 3, however, he couldn't pronounce his Rs so he used to say (loudly) "I LOVE PUCY!"

[RiverDog]

So if he gets hurt in the next game is his 2014 salary still guaranteed? I'm a little fuzzy on this.

Not if we don't designate him on IR. I'm not sure if there is a rule that you have to designate a player on IR if he's hurt. You would just have dead weight taking up a roster spot.

Doesn't matter at this point, the Hawks were never getting rid of the guy as some speculated as a possibility.

That's what I'm worried about Steady. What if the dude is coming back just to "do what he has to do" to keep his contract rolling?

I hope I'm wrong but given his past I wouldn't put it past him.

Boy, I hope that's not what's motivating Harvin. Could this be a Randy Moss "I only play when I want to play" moment?

[Hawktawk]

Did Harvin really say the "haters" are why hes practicing? OMG Im not sure I want him playing. Looks to me like he is cherry picking again. He was *ready* weeks ago facing his hated former team and he looked explosive. Then the hip "flared up" for 5 straight games. But now with the Hawks on primetime with HFA he suddenly might be ready again. HMMMM. All I really know is in the game he played Tate had one reception. Give me Tate 50 times ahead of Harvin. F him.

[c_hawkbob]

Did Harvin really say the "haters" are why hes practicing? OMG Im not sure I want him playing. Looks to me like he is cherry picking again. He was *ready* weeks ago facing his hated former team and he looked explosive. Then the hip "flared up" for 5 straight games. But now with the Hawks on primetime with HFA he suddenly might be ready again. HMMMM. All I really know is in the game he played Tate had one reception. Give me Tate 50 times ahead of Harvin. F him.

You're really twisting things to read that from what he tweeted.

"Adding fuel to the fire" does not equal "the reason I'm practicing".

[Hawk Sista]

Agree with Bob HawkTalk. Percy has been nice to the 12s in his tweets. I think he's rehabbing. Pete said some people take 2 years to recover. Percy has been working really hard and he has a chance to contribute. Let it unfold.

[Hawktawk]

Ive said repeatedly I hope Im wrong with my instincts about PH. I really hope he can come in and contribute without killing team chemistry. But looking at how this has unfolded I get the dstinct feeling that Percy is all about Percy and nobody else. He will play when he wants and when he doesnt want to he will have some nagging thing keeping him on the bench. I have a very hard time beleiving that players who have gone to battle and fought through pain and injury to get Seattle here are going to be real impressed when this prima donna is suddenly good to go gobbling up touches and skimming the cream off the top.Not to mention eating up a huge chunk of salary for doing it.

As I say, hope hes the Super Bowl MVP. Just suspicious and nervous.

[Hawkstar]

Nice article about Percy. Sounds encouraging, however I've been encouraged before with PH only to feel let down. Like Sis said, we have to let it unfold...
http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2013/st ... ve-workout

[FolkCrusader]

Ive said repeatedly I hope Im wrong with my instincts about PH. I really hope he can come in and contribute without killing team chemistry. But looking at how this has unfolded I get the dstinct feeling that Percy is all about Percy and nobody else. He will play when he wants and when he doesnt want to he will have some nagging thing keeping him on the bench. I have a very hard time beleiving that players who have gone to battle and fought through pain and injury to get Seattle here are going to be real impressed when this prima donna is suddenly good to go gobbling up touches and skimming the cream off the top.Not to mention eating up a huge chunk of salary for doing it.

As I say, hope hes the Super Bowl MVP. Just suspicious and nervous.

Not picking on you in particular Hawktalk, but I find this thinking ludicrous. We simply do not have any information that supports your way of thinking. First of all, the guy spent months rehabbing in NY with his Dr. He had major surgery. He could have spent the time at home, or in some sunny location enjoying himself. Instead, he stayed where he had the best chance to rehab and get back to playing football. He comes back and by all accounts plays determined football in the Vikings game. Has a setback. Again, doesn't say shut it down but returns to NY to rehab with his surgeon. Again, giving him the best shot to return to football. This week he is back, will he be able to play? We'll see. But to say that guy has done anything less than try 100% to get on the field, it's just plain crazy talk.

There is no doubt in my mind Percy got suggestions from medical providers and his staff encouraging him to shut it down for the season. There is no doubt in my mind his Dr. would prefer the longer rehab time. I think it's Percy that wants to come back and play so bad. Maybe that is pride, maybe something else.

[Steady_Hawk]

The video Hawkstar posted above absolutely answers the question as to why Pete seemed to go from Dr.Jekyll to Mr.Hyde in one day. Percy showed him he's ready to play after his morning interviews. Awesomeness is all I have to say about the subject.

[HawkWow]

This would be a great opportunity to point out / remind how fortunate we are to have this forum. And I am grateful. This Harvin issue has been a VERY touchy subject that has even caused division between "fans". This is without question the most respectful, balanced, thread I have read anywhere on the net, with everyone allowed to express their opinion, on this subject. How easy it is sometimes to forget we are all actually on the same side.

[RiverDog]

The video Hawkstar posted above absolutely answers the question as to why Pete seemed to go from Dr.Jekyll to Mr.Hyde in one day. Percy showed him he's ready to play after his morning interviews. Awesomeness is all I have to say about the subject.

It might explain how Pete went from Jekyl to Hyde, but it doesn't explain how Percy went from not being well enough to even attempt practice for 5 weeks to having an amazing workout a day after the culmination of the combined efforts that the rest of the team put forth all season long to get HFA and with it, our chances of going to the SB increasing exponentially. Something still smells.

In any event, let's hope he does play. When he's on the field, good things happen.

[Steady_Hawk]

This would be a great opportunity to point out / remind how fortunate we are to have this forum. And I am grateful. This Harvin issue has been a VERY touchy subject that has even caused division between "fans". This is without question the most respectful, balanced, thread I have read anywhere on the net, with everyone allowed to express their opinion, on this subject. How easy it is sometimes to forget we are all actually on the same side.

The difference is simple. This forum is made of people who attack the subject rather than the poster. New people will sign up here and will do just that, but the PI was a pretty respectful group. It is really a breath of fresh air. I hope this style keeps, but who knows what the future holds.

[HawkWow]

Great point,SH...but what I find refreshing, unless I missed something, I see very few attacks at all. Not on posters, not at posts.

It always amazes me how some posters feel compelled to attack anything that goes against the grain of their own beliefs. What a boring world it would be if everyone agreed on everything. Debate is healthy, attacking another person's opinion, if well thought out, is grounds for an ass-kicking, IMHO. ; )

Not playing the docile one here, I myself can get quite agitated / animated, but I would never in a billion years say anything to someone on the net, that I wouldn't say in person. If everyone practiced that, I think the internet would be heaps better.

There are forums where uninformed scrubs go out of their way to irritate others. One person might say " I have Lynch a top 3 RB, but as of late, I notice he's missing some gaps he usually hits. I hope he's not wearing down".

Numbnuts replies with "oh yeah, who do YOU think you are? I'd like to see YOU do better"!

It's just all very stupid.

[RiverDog]

Great point,SH...but what I find refreshing, unless I missed something, I see very few attacks at all. Not on posters, not at posts.

It always amazes me how some posters feel compelled to attack anything that goes against the grain of their own beliefs. What a boring world it would be if everyone agreed on everything. Debate is healthy, attacking another person's opinion, if well thought out, is grounds for an ass-kicking, IMHO. ; )

Not playing the docile one here, I myself can get quite agitated / animated, but I would never in a billion years say anything to someone on the net, that I wouldn't say in person. If everyone practiced that, I think the internet would be heaps better.

There are forums where uninformed scrubs go out of their way to irritate others. One person might say " I have Lynch a top 3 RB, but as of late, I notice he's missing some gaps he usually hits. I hope he's not wearing down".

Numbnuts replies with "oh yeah, who do YOU think you are? I'd like to see YOU do better"!

It's just all very stupid.

Those responses are what drives me insane. Replies such as "We're 13-3 with HFA" or "you think you know more than Pete Carroll?" are mindless, catch all canned responses that requires very little if any thought and are intended to mute a poster by posing an irrefutable, irrelevant statement rather than using a rational argument to defeat their thesis.

[HawkWow]

Great point,SH...but what I find refreshing, unless I missed something, I see very few attacks at all. Not on posters, not at posts.

It always amazes me how some posters feel compelled to attack anything that goes against the grain of their own beliefs. What a boring world it would be if everyone agreed on everything. Debate is healthy, attacking another person's opinion, if well thought out, is grounds for an ass-kicking, IMHO. ; )

Not playing the docile one here, I myself can get quite agitated / animated, but I would never in a billion years say anything to someone on the net, that I wouldn't say in person. If everyone practiced that, I think the internet would be heaps better.

There are forums where uninformed scrubs go out of their way to irritate others. One person might say " I have Lynch a top 3 RB, but as of late, I notice he's missing some gaps he usually hits. I hope he's not wearing down".

Numbnuts replies with "oh yeah, who do YOU think you are? I'd like to see YOU do better"!

It's just all very stupid.

Those responses are what drives me insane. Replies such as "We're 13-3 with HFA" or "you think you know more than Pete Carroll?" are mindless, catch all canned responses that requires very little if any thought and are intended to mute a poster by posing an irrefutable, irrelevant statement rather than using a rational argument to defeat their thesis.

In deed. You can't help but consider that old adage: If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with BS. I just got the exact same thing (you just mentioned) at that other board. I said.. IF Pete uses Harvin to return our first kick, I am going to consider him 100%, and while I would still limit his targets in game 1, based on inactivity alone, I'd think he should be ready for more when Carolina comes to town".

The tool replies "Glad you aren't our coach". LOL. Glad I'm not his English teacher.

[savvyman]

Another useful axiom to adhere to in life is the following:

"Don't bother arguing with an idiot..... They will drag you down to their level and beat you with their experience"

Not suggesting that people who disagree with me on the Harvin situation are Idiots - I have never judged anyone on their final viewpoint or opinion about a subject that is different from mine - I judge them on the facts that support their opinions and the reasoning that they used to come to their opinions based on their facts- Many times I have completely disagreed with someone yet I completely respected how they came to their opinion or viewpoints that they held that were different from mine.

One thing everyone can agree on is that we all want Percy on the field contributing to the team - and if Percy is giving his best effort then you can be sure that everyone at the Shack and Seahawk fans everywhere will support Percy whether he ends up being successful or not.

[Hawkstar]

One thing everyone can agree on is that we all want Percy on the field contributing to the team - and if Percy is giving his best effort then you can be sure that everyone at the Shack and Seahawk fans everywhere will support Percy whether he ends up being successful or not.

+1 to that!

[Hawk Sista]

+2

[RiverDog]

+3

[savvyman]

Bump.

Holding Percy Accountable when the media would not.

I still credit this thread and the contributions by members here at the shack with instigating the first public questioning (when the local press lackey's wouldn't) and eventual shaming of Percy Harvin back on to the playing field..... where we got the $12 million kickoff run back TD and 40 yard jet sweep in the Superbowl.

Good riddance Percy - You are one hell of a talent and I wish it would have worked out. But it didn't and the blame for the failure is all yours.

[RiverDog]

Bump.

Holding Percy Accountable when the media would not.

I still credit this thread and the contributions by members here at the shack with instigating the first public questioning (when the local press lackey's wouldn't) and eventual shaming of Percy Harvin back on to the playing field..... where we got the $12 million kickoff run back TD and 40 yard jet sweep in the Superbowl.

Good riddance Percy - You are one hell of a talent and I wish it would have worked out. But it didn't and the blame for the failure is all yours.

Thanks for digging up this old thread, savvy. It's interesting to see where everybody stood 10 months ago.

[savvyman]

Bump.

Holding Percy Accountable when the media would not.

I still credit this thread and the contributions by members here at the shack with instigating the first public questioning (when the local press lackey's wouldn't) and eventual shaming of Percy Harvin back on to the playing field..... where we got the $12 million kickoff run back TD and 40 yard jet sweep in the Superbowl.

Good riddance Percy - You are one hell of a talent and I wish it would have worked out. But it didn't and the blame for the failure is all yours.

Thanks for digging up this old thread, savvy. It's interesting to see where everybody stood 10 months ago.

You're welcome. Thanks to Yoder for keeping all of these old posts which makes it possible. At the old PI board, all posts would be deleted after a certain period of time. I often wished I could go back to 2006 and pull up the posts where I was savagely attacked by so many people for saying that Shaun Alexander ran liked a scarred kitten and that I was willing to pay for his plane ride out of town and that the player that the Seahawks should instead be focusing all efforts on signing was Steve Hutchinson and not Alexander - Did I catch a lot of heat for having that viewpoint! lol

[Futureite]

Man, I remember being called a troll, hater or someone that "lies" and was trying to weave together a story from random bits of gossip when I posted that Harvin had a well documented history of physical altercations with players and coaches dating back to highschool. And at the time I posted that I didn't even hypothesize that it'd end up like this in Seattle.

I made it all up. A complete "troll" that gets off on lying to get your skin.

Geezus Christmas you are better off without this guy anyway. Your O production will prob actually increase now. But bear in mind, I only offer that positive sentiment because the Hawks are no longer a "threat" to my dominant soon to be 4-3 team. Everything's changed now and I am back to graciously applauding your team, with no foresight that the 49ers will ever be anythng less than Duv champs for the next 100 yrs straight.

[Hawktown]

I hate to tell ya Future. YOUR STILL A HUGE TROLL!!! don't kid yourself, your need to comment as you did keeps the TROLLING alive.

[Hawktown]

I hate to tell ya Future. YOUR STILL A HUGE TROLL!!! don't kid yourself, your need to comment as you did keeps the TROLLING alive.

Oh and most your nonsense is a lie also.

[Agent 86]

Man, I remember being called a troll, hater or someone that "lies" and was trying to weave together a story from random bits of gossip when I posted that Harvin had a well documented history of physical altercations with players and coaches dating back to highschool. And at the time I posted that I didn't even hypothesize that it'd end up like this in Seattle.

I made it all up. A complete "troll" that gets off on lying to get your skin.

Geezus Christmas you are better off without this guy anyway. Your O production will prob actually increase now. But bear in mind, I only offer that positive sentiment because the Hawks are no longer a "threat" to my dominant soon to be 4-3 team. Everything's changed now and I am back to graciously applauding your team, with no foresight that the 49ers will ever be anythng less than Duv champs for the next 100 yrs straight.

Ignore it people, just ignore it. I know it's tempting, but hold strong.


Edit:...lol, man, I couldn't get to Hawktown quick enough!

[HumanCockroach]

Suppose people here call it like they see it. Just like they were able to say Wilson had a bad game, the see something, and call it what it is.

[rottweiler]

Ok..... So I crafted my "Percy went to therapy" post 1/2 in jest & before the end of Pete's presser. In all seriousness... I have no idea what's true except that it ain't what we'll be told in an official press conference. It'll be fun to see what happens in the coming weeks. What if Percy plays? What if he's the Super Bowl MVP? Ha! Oh my...

On a side note, Percy is the name of one of the engines in Thomas the Train... A children's book (series, actually). My nephew loved Thomas and and his friends...particularly Percy. When he was 3, however, he couldn't pronounce his Rs so he used to say (loudly) "I LOVE PUCY!"

He is also the street name for a narcotic painkiller that—like it would seem Mr. Harvin may also be—has a tendency to be a bit of a team-wrecker (i.e. if one considers the human body a team, that is).

If you ever get a frick'n headache that B.C.Powder won't fix, don't ever call "Uncle Percy" to help you outta the pain.

Mr. Brownstone's little boy is real mf'er who's really tough to "... kick on down the line."

Just sayin'.

(Psst: You stay strong, Sista. Stay away from "Uncle Percy". Love ya.)

[Hawk Sista]

Thanks, Rott. I'm done w/ treatment now...just gotta git to the other side of the lingering side effects. No uncle percy needed. I've goy this. The thought of the name Pussy Harvin makes me smile on this miserable afternoon.