Reports of the Seahawks demise exaggerated or at least prema

[Futureite]

Here is the part that's hard for me to believe:

For a couple of yrs now I've read so many people tell me what RW can do. He is better than Luck. He is better than Kaep. He is probably a top 5 QB. He has done things NO other QB has over 2 yrs.

And now, ironically, you DIDN'T want the ball in the hands of your top 5 historically great QB all game? Ever heard a Colts fan complain about Luck throwing too much? A Packer fan complaining about Rodgers throwing 45 times? Me neither. Most people want the ball in the hands of their best O player, ESPECIALLY when he is the QB.

SMH I don't get it. Kaep has been shaky at times, great at others. Either way I am all for our O continuing to give him the reigns. That's the only way he's going to become what we hope he will - the ONLY way. Meanwhile, some people are calling out Andrew Luck for throwing picks or challenging my screen throwing refernces between Luck/RW. Meanwhile Luck just put up another 370+....but go ahead and quote another screen throwing stat %. The guy is on pace for a HOF career and his learning curve is now light yrs ahead of RW's ( and arguably Kaep's).

SMH!!

[HumanCockroach]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/gamecast?gameId= ... rc=desktop

Do you even bother to watch the games, or do you just make stuff up as you go to support your claim of improved passing game? Santa Clara got up big because of the DEFENSE not some sort of arial attack.

Mykc;

You more or less illustrated my point. Actually, we went "pass first" V Dallas and jumped all over them, won the game. We went pass first V Cards and it put us up 14-3. Cards got back into the game after we backed off 5 wides. We went pass first V the Rams moreso than we had all yr and won (majority of Gore's 16 carries came late in the 4th). The moral is, 95% of all teams in this league need to prove that they can do this to beat playoff contenders. The Hawks of 2013 were an outlier. They had a historically dominant D which allowed them to rank something like 26th in passing. That will not work this yr or almost any other, regardless of how many times people cry "just hand the ball off X many times to (insert name)!"

I am not painting this as another QB debate. We have had mixed results by letting Kaep throw all day (for example, he singlehandedly lost us the Chi game). But the truth is, our D is not dominant this yr and Kaep will have to carry us at times. I'd rather have hm continue to learn and grow in hopes he can replicate the Rams type performances more often than to hide him behind Gore. I think the exact same thing is true for Seattle and RW's growth, and I've said it for a LONG time here.

This is the yr when both QBs need to step up. I am still waiting for that to happen to the degeee I expected. Sorry but handing it to Frank or Marshawn a gazilliion times ain't gonna cut it this yr.

[mykc14]

Here is the part that's hard for me to believe:

For a couple of yrs now I've read so many people tell me what RW can do. He is better than Luck. He is better than Kaep. He is probably a top 5 QB. He has done things NO other QB has over 2 yrs.

And now, ironically, you DIDN'T want the ball in the hands of your top 5 historically great QB all game? Ever heard a Colts fan complain about Luck throwing too much? A Packer fan complaining about Rodgers throwing 45 times? Me neither. Most people want the ball in the hands of their best O player, ESPECIALLY when he is the QB.

SMH I don't get it. Kaep has been shaky at times, great at others. Either way I am all for our O continuing to give him the reigns. That's the only way he's going to become what we hope he will - the ONLY way. Meanwhile, some people are calling out Andrew Luck for throwing picks or challenging my screen throwing refernces between Luck/RW. Meanwhile Luck just put up another 370+....but go ahead and quote another screen throwing stat %. The guy is on pace for a HOF career and his learning curve is now light yrs ahead of RW's ( and arguably Kaep's).

SMH!!

And here is, back to his old form. LOL. It didn't take long!

[mykc14]

Mykc;

No, we got up 11 V Cards throwing and then inexplicably abandoned the 5 wides and tried to pound. Your perfect scenerio led to a L. I guess it was "perfect" for a Hawk fan lol. As soon as we finally went back to 5 wides late in the 4th, we drove 75 yds to the 5 where Boldin got the personal foul penalty. Going away from what
as working is what cost us that game.

I don't know what you watched Monday night, but if we had continued to try to pound through a brick wall we'd have gone down at half 14-3 minimum. Hell, we couldn't even convert TWO 4th and 1's! For all that "pounding" we supposedly did, didn't seem to soften up the Rams front late in that game, did it. If we had taken this approach all game, we have at best a nail biter in the road. At worst, a sure L.

I am not advocating for all run and shoot. But I AM saying that 2013's formula ain't gonna work in 2014. Neither team has a short field creating, turnover machine dominant D that creates so many opportunities for the O and allows it to plod and "pound" fruitlessly for at times an entire QTR while it wears down the opposing D. Sorry, it is not going to work. It is not like Dallas has some dominant D. If they are loading to stop the run (and they were) then there is no reason you should not be able to spread them out pick them apart in the pass gane until they back off. Don't give me that crap because I watched my team do it to them on the very first drive of the yr. We had guys running wide open the entire game.

But as a Niner fan, I hope that Bevel gives you exactly what you want; 30+ carries for Lynch each game. It will not work this yr.

Nobody is advocating that, but 17-22 would be nice.

[burrrton]

He is better than Luck.

Yes, Future- he has been better than Luck to this point. There is a mountain of evidence that illustrates this. You, however, preferred to rely on your "eye test" to argue against that. SMH indeed.

Look, I'm not going to defend RW right now- a bad performance in a horrible loss will do that to any fan. But if you think Luck's stats have suddenly shifted to outshining RW's because he had a horrible game (and he did), you're drunk.

I've said before and I'll say again: I think Luck is a stud and may well end up the better QB. But to this point, RW has simply outperformed him in every analysis but gross yardage. Well, and in your "BUT MY EYEZ TELLS ME HE'S TEH BETTAR QB" judgement.

[HumanCockroach]

Here is the part that's hard for me to believe:

For a couple of yrs now I've read so many people tell me what RW can do. He is better than Luck. He is better than Kaep. He is probably a top 5 QB. He has done things NO other QB has over 2 yrs.

And now, ironically, you DIDN'T want the ball in the hands of your top 5 historically great QB all game? Ever heard a Colts fan complain about Luck throwing too much? A Packer fan complaining about Rodgers throwing 45 times? Me neither. Most people want the ball in the hands of their best O player, ESPECIALLY when he is the QB.

SMH I don't get it. Kaep has been shaky at times, great at others. Either way I am all for our O continuing to give him the reigns. That's the only way he's going to become what we hope he will - the ONLY way. Meanwhile, some people are calling out Andrew Luck for throwing picks or challenging my screen throwing refernces between Luck/RW. Meanwhile Luck just put up another 370+....but go ahead and quote another screen throwing stat %. The guy is on pace for a HOF career and his learning curve is now light yrs ahead of RW's ( and arguably Kaep's).

SMH!!

Shouldn't be hard for you to believe because no one on this thread ( or any other for that matter) said it. Saying the Seahawks should run a balanced offense, and focus on running the ball more ( considering there has been two losses, and coincidentally those two losses Lynch has a COMBINED 18 carries) .

Seriously, you just make sh!t up where ever and whenever you feel the urge, don't you? GB fans not complaining when they lose and Rodgers throws the ball 45 Times, LMFAO they have been complaining about the lack of a running game since Favre was QB and Green left. If you haven't "heard" it I recommend cleaning your ears.

As for Luck's "HOF" performance against Houston, I would invite you to WATCH the game, instead of simply looking at a box score ( pretty much what I think you do, even with your beloved Niners, based on your pass first claim against the Boys) Luck tried to throw that game away, by putting the ball in a DB's gut as he was being dragged to the ground. HOF players epitomise a LOT of things to me personally, stupid isn't one of them, and neither is making rookie, stupid mistakes, with the game on the line, repeatedly throughout their career. Luck has NOT moved past that yet. Claim whatever you want to claim, the truth is, Wilson makes plays to win games ( even the MUNDANE ones) whether it be him "carrying" his team, or allowing the players around him to do it, he more often than not makes the RIGHT choice.

At least you acknowledged that Wilson HAS outperformed Luck the first two years in the league ( even though you attempted to use it as a slight) he has indeed had a historical beginning to his career. Dismiss the games where the "game was in his hands" to win or lose, I mean it was so, so long ago ( week three against Denver perhaps, or week five afgaagainst the Skins) I'm not expecting someone, who bases everything on box scores to grasp all of that, or remember a whole week ago, but the fact of the matter is Wilson has had the game in his hands, numerous times, and succeeds at a ridiculous rate, and has in EVERY major, win or go home situation he has been in. Can Luck say that? Kap? No? Color me surprised.

[mykc14]

Shouldn't be hard for you to believe because no one on this thread ( or any other for that matter) said it. Saying the Seahawks should run a balanced offense, and focus on running the ball more ( considering there has been two losses, and coincidentally those two losses Lynch has a COMBINED 18 carries) .

Seriously, you just make sh!t up where ever and whenever you feel the urge, don't you? GB fans not complaining when they lose and Rodgers throws the ball 45 Times, LMFAO they have been complaining about the lack of a running game since Favre was QB and Green left. If you haven't "heard" it I recommend cleaning your ears.

As for Luck's "HOF" performance against Houston, I would invite you to WATCH the game, instead of simply looking at a box score ( pretty much what I think you do, even with your beloved Niners, based on your pass first claim against the Boys) Luck tried to throw that game away, by putting the ball in a DB's gut as he was being dragged to the ground. HOF players epitomise a LOT of things to me personally, stupid isn't one of them, and neither is making rookie, stupid mistakes, with the game on the line, repeatedly throughout their career. Luck has NOT moved past that yet. Claim whatever you want to claim, the truth is, Wilson makes plays to win games ( even the MUNDANE ones) whether it be him "carrying" his team, or allowing the players around him to do it, he more often than not makes the RIGHT choice.

At least you acknowledged that Wilson HAS outperformed Luck the first two years in the league ( even though you attempted to use it as a slight) he has indeed had a historical beginning to his career. Dismiss the games where the "game was in his hands" to win or lose, I mean it was so, so long ago ( week three against Denver perhaps, or week five afgaagainst the Skins) I'm not expecting someone, who bases everything on box scores to grasp all of that, or remember a whole week ago, but the fact of the matter is Wilson has had the game in his hands, numerous times, and succeeds at a ridiculous rate, and has in EVERY major, win or go home situation he has been in. Can Luck say that? Kap? No? Color me surprised.

This is too funny, After a two week hiatus future has come out of the woodwork with both barrels blazing (Luck and Kaep). He's been waiting for RW to have a bad game for a long, long time. Now is his chance to pounce and restate all the crap he has spewed about RW over the years. One bad game isn't going to change our perspective. If anything it is going to fuel his fire even more. RW has always responded well to adversity and I have no doubt he will do it again. He didn't go from an MVP candidate to a 'mediocre' QB in one week.

[Hawk Sista]

Geez. How did I Know future would make an appearance here this week?

[RiverDog]

Geez. How did I Know future would make an appearance here this week?

LOL! I thought the same thing. Russell has a bad game, we lose/Niners win, and now look who's invited himself to dinner?

[Long Time Fan]

The only fans less objective about a team's performance other than fans of the team; are the fans of a rival team.

The act has worn thin. These thinly veiled forays of taking joy in a Seahawks loss is the inherent ill will of someone who would rather celebrate a rival's setbacks than to support his own team. Its really sort of sad.

[Futureite]

The only fans less objective about a team's performance other than fans of the team; are the fans of a rival team.

The act has worn thin. These thinly veiled forays of taking joy in a Seahawks loss is the inherent ill will of someone who would rather celebrate a rival's setbacks than to support his own team. Its really sort of sad.

No, I still believe RW is a good QB. Do I enjoy throwing some of it back at you after your guy experiences a taste of what Kaep and other QBs went through? Of course. I am human. Care to change your tune about ML's 100+ compared to Gore's 14 in the NFCCCG? Picture if that Dallas D had been the 2013 Seattle D. You wrote the whole clutch v choke narrative, not me. Remember that!

One game does not define anything. My guess is Hawks are in 2nd place next week and we are stuck in 3rd for a while. Peyton and co will prob put up 450+ and Kaep has been inconsistent, so who knows what we get in Denver. If I had to guess, RW has a big day V the Rams.

It is nice to watch the pride swallarin' a bit after all rhe shyt I've heard for yrs about your superior brained, work ethic king anti-Kaep face of the franchise QB. Don't look now, but it's looking like I had yet another onpoint opion. And I'd not be nearly as vociferous in airing it had I not been called an idiot, troll etc for months on end.

[HumanCockroach]

Must be hard to swallow, I agree. how does it taste? You're seriuosly going to attempt this not after an extended period of bad play, but an isolated game? Are you just thick or something? Difference here, is when Wilson DOES have a bad game ( which are few and far between) we ( this board and it's fans) can actually ADMIT it, where as you are still throwing out excuses for every poor showing Kaep has /had( ie in this particular post, it's about the NFC Championship turnover fest) somehow that is Gores fault.

I guess we here aren't as enamored with Wilsons ball sweat, and don't believe he shats gold at every and all opportunities. When he excells, we say it ( notice how often that is? wow, must be doing something right) and when he plays poorly, guess what? we say it. In fact, after this game, I even posted how it was the first time I have seen him rattled. Something he has not shown before.

[Hawktown]

schooled again!!!

[Futureite]

Must be hard to swallow, I agree. how does it taste? You're seriuosly going to attempt this not after an extended period of bad play, but an isolated game? Are you just thick or something? Difference here, is when Wilson DOES have a bad game ( which are few and far between) we ( this board and it's fans) can actually ADMIT it, where as you are still throwing out excuses for every poor showing Kaep has /had( ie in this particular post, it's about the NFC Championship turnover fest) somehow that is Gores fault.

I guess we here aren't as enamored with Wilsons ball sweat, and don't believe he shats gold at every and all opportunities. When he excells, we say it ( notice how often that is? wow, must be doing something right) and when he plays poorly, guess what? we say it. In fact, after this game, I even posted how it was the first time I have seen him rattled. Something he has not shown before.

No. This is not the first performance of this type. RW has had several others that were masked by your D and run game. Hou, N.O in the playoffs, and others - including the NFCCCG. I only go back to that game because he was equally shaky (as Sunday) in that game for most of it, but Lynch busting a TD and Baldwin busting a 70 yd return kept your team in it - along with your incredible D performance. Yet you chided me for months about Kaep's implision compared to RW's cool. I have been telling you FOR YEARS they are no different in this respect and many others.

Does that mean he is a bad QB? Of course not. It means he is young, talented but still learning. Just like other QBs who were chided for throwing picks, etc.

Now I STILL believe what I have always posted: RW runs the most basic O of the young QBs and until Bevel scraps the screens, trick plays etc and let's him play like a real QB, he is not going to develop into what he can be. Now people arw echoing this same critique of your O here after hammering me with Luck's screen pass % and calling me out. But I TOLD you this before. If RW looked nervous, I don't blame him. Your staff has not prepared him to carry an O or shoulder the team's success.

Now we have tried with Kaep with mixed results. Some great, some terrible. But at least he is learning. He is not throwing all short high percentage stuff or worried about throwing a pick or concerned with safe plays that keep his QB rating high. Either he continues to improve, or we find out he's not the guy and move on.

For the revords, at this point my QB list is:

(1) Luck
(2) Newton
(3) Wilson
(4) Kaep

I like my guy's potential to be #2 on that list if he can put it all together. "If" is always the question.

[HumanCockroach]

LOL. Houston? The game he almost singlehadidly won with the game on the line. NO in the playoffs, where he outperformed Brees ( or are we going to say only Wilson was effected by the weather that day, and Brees was amazing) you sure have issues actually putting games in context.

As for the NFCCG take a look, be me guest. 104 QBR big guy, and I dare you to tell me he was hitting check downs, trick plays or anything remotely similar in that game to inflate those stats. The truth is, the rarely ran those smoke screens, bubble screens or trick plays last season, and he STILL had more TD throws than those listed ahead of him, won more games, had a higher completion percentage, QBR etc ( pick a stat not named "raw" yardage, and he lead in it) and then proceeded to put up the 5th best game in SB history. The truth is these short yardage passes, are NOT his forte, and hasn't been since arriving in the league ( until this year in a concerted effort to get Percy the ball). You're blowing a whole lot of smoke for someone that obviously does NOT watch as much football ( and more specifically the Seahawks) as you profess.

http://www.footballdb.com/games/boxscor ... 2014011902

[mykc14]

LOL. Houston? The game he almost singlehadidly won with the game on the line. NO in the playoffs, where he outperformed Brees ( or are we going to say only Wilson was effected by the weather that day, and Brees was amazing) you sure have issues actually putting games in context.

As for the NFCCG take a look, be me guest. 104 QBR big guy, and I dare you to tell me he was hitting check downs, trick plays or anything remotely similar in that game to inflate those stats. The truth is, the rarely ran those smoke screens, bubble screens or trick plays last season, and he STILL had more TD throws than those listed ahead of him, won more games, had a higher completion percentage, QBR etc ( pick a stat not named "raw" yardage, and he lead in it) and then proceeded to put up the 5th best game in SB history. The truth is these short yardage passes, are NOT his forte, and hasn't been since arriving in the league ( until this year in a concerted effort to get Percy the ball). You're blowing a whole lot of smoke for someone that obviously does NOT watch as much football ( and more specifically the Seahawks) as you profess.

http://www.footballdb.com/games/boxscor ... 2014011902

Nice job, HC. There certainly are a few games he could have listed (like maybe 2 others both of which were in his first 5 starts in the league) where he played as bad as he did on Sunday but not those games, LOL. Also, really Newton #2. Come on It's RW and Luck #1 and 2 lots of space and then the rest in that group. It would be very hard for any RATIONAL person to argue that Newton is about Wilson.

[Futureite]

LOL. Houston? The game he almost singlehadidly won with the game on the line. NO in the playoffs, where he outperformed Brees ( or are we going to say only Wilson was effected by the weather that day, and Brees was amazing) you sure have issues actually putting games in context.

As for the NFCCG take a look, be me guest. 104 QBR big guy, and I dare you to tell me he was hitting check downs, trick plays or anything remotely similar in that game to inflate those stats. The truth is, the rarely ran those smoke screens, bubble screens or trick plays last season, and he STILL had more TD throws than those listed ahead of him, won more games, had a higher completion percentage, QBR etc ( pick a stat not named "raw" yardage, and he lead in it) and then proceeded to put up the 5th best game in SB history. The truth is these short yardage passes, are NOT his forte, and hasn't been since arriving in the league ( until this year in a concerted effort to get Percy the ball). You're blowing a whole lot of smoke for someone that obviously does NOT watch as much football ( and more specifically the Seahawks) as you profess.

http://www.footballdb.com/games/boxscor ... 2014011902

What a crock of s***. He threw for just over 100 yds 0 TD and 1 int v Hou. Are you serious?? No wonder you cannot understand what happened V Dallas.

NFC Champ game he started with a fumble, threw a ball that went right through Reid's hands, and completed 1 deep ball to Baldwin that netted a FG. He LITERALLY did not engineer a TD drive that entire game. Even he 1 TD he threw was on a drive extended by penalties and came on a free play from another penalty.

Lol ya you sure proved me wrong. Like I said - give Lynch 14 yds that game, take away Baldwin's return and give it to us and he was F'd....and while you may not admit it here, in your mind you know it. The guy couldn't even close the deal with THREE redzone opps in the 4th QTR dude. He put up 6 pts off of them.

You always twist my arm to dis your guys with your utter bullshyt. I actually think RW is a good QB, but fans like you have to take it to another level insulting every other QB who is compared to him. And you use two games where he throws 1 FN TD total to prove. Good god.

You will learn though. What I posted about your team's O has already been parroted by a good portion of your fans. Funniest thing was reading Anthony regurgitate my EXACT analogies about your O. But instead of calling me a tool, hater etc, he just redirected the venom at Bevel. That is why I never bothered to reply to his ridiculous comparisons to Luck...."volume thrower". Good one.

You guys always compare RW to Montana. Go look up Montana's attempts in the 81 and 83 title games. Guess he was a "volume thrower" or "int machine" too, right??

Sorry but 26th in pass O ain't cutting it this yr dude. I TOLD you and I'm TELLING you. You do not have the D to carry that rhis yr, period....period. in fact, last yr was the only yr in history that happened.

Now let's see if your guy can carry your team. I am not even saying he can't. But you are somewhere nwar Pluto with your examoles. You ain't winning many games this yr with 100 yd 0 td performances from RW.

[monkey]

And the troll comes out of hiding, to the shock and surprise of...no one.

Any more questions as to whether or not Futuriete is nothing more than a troll?

My advice, ignore the troll, don't respond, treat him as persona non grata, until he goes away.

[HumanCockroach]

You know Future I had a big long post here, blowing this foolishness apart, but then I remembered what was sent to me by the board administrator, and realised, that you simply are not worth the time. Troll on man, troll on.

[HumanCockroach]

And the troll comes out of hiding, to the shock and surprise of...no one.

Any more questions as to whether or not Futuriete is nothing more than a troll?

My advice, ignore the troll, don't respond, treat him as persona non grata, until he goes away.

Well that should be until Wilson returns to form after his long (one week)hiatus.

[Futureite]

You know Future I had a big long post here, blowing this foolishness apart, but then I remembered what was sent to me by the board administrator, and realised, that you simply are not worth the time. Troll on man, troll on.

Lol okay. Let's look at this:

You called me a "troll" when I posted that Percy Harvin had well documented issues getting along team members, had fought coaches, etc.

Do you remember that debate? Remember calling me out as fabricating, reaching, ie "trolling"?

Go read Field Gulls now and see what your beat guys are reporting....uh....duhhhhhhh!!! Who in the world would even begin to debate that. Other than you.

If what I do is trolling then yes I'll continue.

And while I am at it no, Andrew Luck is not on pace to throw for 5,000 yds by throwing screens. Meanwhile a good portion of your fans are posting on blog boards everywhere after the Harvin trade that "At least now we can ditch ALL THESE SCREENS"........Something even your own fans admitted my friend. But I was a "troll" when I pointed it out.

Your issue is not with me. It's with reality.

There is just a handful of you that come up with this hokey stuff. I take breaks when I want to, not when advantageous for you. In case you missed it we have won 3 games in a row dude and I could have posted here after any single one of them. But I didn't. Maybe, just maybe I quit posting to avoid ridiculous debates like these.......ya think? I believe I already conceded we're in 3rd place in 2 days at 4-3. So think hard on your next troll hypothesis.

[RiverDog]

Lol okay. Let's look at this:

You called me a "troll" when I posted that Percy Harvin had well documented issues getting along team members, had fought coaches, etc.

Do you remember that debate? Remember calling me out as fabricating, reaching, ie "trolling"?

Go read Field Gulls now and see what your beat guys are reporting....uh....duhhhhhhh!!! Who in the world would even begin to debate that. Other than you.

If what I do is trolling then yes I'll continue.

And while I am at it no, Andrew Luck is not on pace to throw for 5,000 yds by throwing screens. Meanwhile a good portion of your fans are posting on blog boards everywhere after the Harvin trade that "At least now we can ditch ALL THESE SCREENS"........Something even your own fans admitted my friend. But I was a "troll" when I pointed it out.

Your issue is not with me. It's with reality.

There is just a handful of you that come up with this hokey stuff. I take breaks when I want to, not when advantageous for you. In case you missed it we have won 3 games in a row dude and I could have posted here after any single one of them. But I didn't. Maybe, just maybe I quit posting to avoid ridiculous debates like these.......ya think? I believe I already conceded we're in 3rd place in 2 days at 4-3. So think hard on your next troll hypothesis.

The reason posters started calling you a troll isn't due to the Harvin issue or your stance on the Luck v Wilson debate. My issues with you began after you made an outrageous claim of which you couldn't produce any evidence of...that Russell Wilson said he deserved the ROY award. Your credibility took a huge hit after that one. And you'll have to admit that regardless of what your true motivations are, the fact that you waited until we had a bad loss and Russell experienced one of his worst games of his career makes the timing of your re-appearance very suspect. Why didn't you decide to re-enter a week earlier after MNF?...Hmmmmm.

Having said that, I do welcome your presence here, troll or no troll. And I do agree with you on your observation about Harvin and us 12's. It's amazing how many 12's did a complete 180 on Harvin and our decision to trade for him the instant Pete cut bait. It's like they suddenly realized they were walking around with their fly unzipped.

[HumanCockroach]

What no crowing about how Wilson can't put his team on his back? This ones nice and fresh Future, be my guest, pick apart Wilson's game. I mean, just because he is the only man in History to do what he did today, doesn't mean he's good or anything ( added to his list, of numerous other firsts over his first two years, you continually gloss over).

[HumanCockroach]

Haven't seen anyone do a 180, who are you talking about RD? Most people still continue to support the move at the time ( I certainly have not backtracked on that) but as life continues to move ( nothing happens in a vacuum) things have to change. It didn't work, doesn't make it a "bad" move or idea, simply didn't work. He's gone, it's over, that does not change what was being attempted, or what could have been dynamic, just means, the pieces did not work together.

I've seen lots and lots and lots off crowing from people that hated the move from day one, but people that liked it, switching to saying it was a dumb move? Not so much.

[monkey]

Riverdog: dude...characterizing people as "doing a 180", and "walking around like they realized their fly was unzipped" is ridiculous to an extreme.
If intelligent people, who hold to one position, are presented with NEW EVIDENCE that runs counter to their previous position, then the height of foolishness would be to NOT change their minds in light of the new evidence.

This past week EVERYONE was shocked with quite literally, reams of new evidence that runs counter to what we'd all been previously told and led to believe...and you are making them out to be what.... hypocrites, now?
The Super Bowl, as well as the Packer game and Denver game this year, plus THREE called back touchdowns against the Redskins, which all added to the entire coaching staff and all of his teammates saying how well he was fitting in, makes a lot of stuff to look past to somehow come to the conclusion that the trade was bad.

I myself HATED the Harvin trade at first, because I knew what a little punk he was in Minnesota, better than most here, since I live in the area and heard all the rumors.
At the same time, I thought that perhaps, in a better situation, his attitude would improve...and lo and behold, we were all told that it had! All the information we were given was that Harvin was a model citizen, and an immediate upgraded to our corps of "pedestrian" receivers.
Pretty ridiculous to call people on that now Riv, since for all we knew, it was working out very well for us.

In light of new information, my mind had to change about Harvin, otherwise I'd be an idiot.

[RiverDog]

OK,the 180 and walking around with flies unzipped is a little extreme, and you have my apologies. My point was that there seems to be far more people....and I'm not necessarily including present company as I frequent other forums...that were all for the Harvin trade base on the premise that everything Pete and John touch turns to gold and are now so shocked and stunned of the revelations we heard last week as being un Seahawk-like. Some rather than denounce the trade and admit that they were wrong are doing some major back peddling, revising their positions, rationalizing the trade as not really being all that bad as there was worse (Kelly Stouffer...really?), that we won a SB, etc.

For myself, although I was surprised at how well guarded the secrets were and that it came out in one big thud, it is absolutely no surprise to me that Harvin would behave like he did, and I all but predicted how things would turn out. It was obvious, at least to me, anyway. Harvin was as predicable as T.O.

[monkey]

I thought the same thing when the trade was first announced. My own initial response was first, incredulity, then NOOOOO! then well... I guess we'll see, but they sure overpaid for him, then, well, things seem to be working GREAT.
Now I'm just a bit disappointed, but NOT in the attempt to make a big splashy move!
Disappointed in the amount spent on a player who busted, yes, but NOT in the thinking that brought him here! He was EXACTLY the kind of player Pete wants for his blueprint offense (and that big receiver we are still missing who, BTW we tried to trade Percy for, we offered him to Denver and Cleveland for big pass catching TE's), he was exactly that play maker extraordinaire he had at USC.

Know this, he'll try again eventually, (hopefully this time with a better character player), and if it involves a player trade, it WILL COST A LOT to get whoever we're after. That's just a fact. Play makers COST because players at that level are RARE.
Every team wants one if they can get one, and I don't blame them AT ALL for trying.
If Percy had worked out, we'd all be thinking of the cost we paid to get him MUCH differently.
Hindsight is 20/20.

[Hawk Sista]

I'll admit to giving Pete & John credit for a lot. For heaven's sake, they took a clunker & turned it into a winner. The ultimate winners, btw. So our perceptions about acquired players may turn out to be right, but you cannot cherry pick their decisions out of the context of their entire philosophy.

They stole Marshawn, Sherm, Wilson & a whole host of others and wiffed on Harvin. Yes, in hindsight- we gave up wayyyy too much for percy. And no, he didn't do what he was paid to do. Could we have used an extra dlinemen, olineman, field stretching WR w/ the draft picks we gave up? You bet. My point is this.... They've hit on more than they've wiffed on & made us a winning franchise. We won the super bowl and cut ties w/ the jerk when it was clear it wasn't working.

I have what-if questions about what could've been if they make this call after the eye punch and and decide to trade percy in the off season and keep Tate and acquire a pass-rusher w/ those resources. But it's far too easy to do this after we know the answers.

[Long Time Fan]

I have what-if questions about what could've been if they make this call after the eye punch and and decide to trade percy in the off season and keep Tate and acquire a pass-rusher w/ those resources. But it's far too easy to do this after we know the answers.

This was no rush to judgement, it couldn't be. But the value of PC and JS is not shown in their making a trade for the likes of PH (They swung for the fences, which is in and of of itself, strong evidence of their helmsworthiness), their value is in their ability to course correct. The willingness to admit a monumental mistake, when it could so easily have been glossed over by keeping him on the roster, takes huge stones, confidence and an absolute willingness to do what is best for the team.

This is reminiscent of the RW over Matt Flynn decision making. It is very difficult to avoid the path of least resistance to do the right thing. This team is in good hands.

[Long Time Fan]

So think hard on your next troll hypothesis.

Here is my hypothesis: A fan of a team should look to his own house ( yours is burning).

Your comments and your presence are disingenuous. Your glib remarks suggest respect for an opposing team where there is none. Too often your mask slips and we see the true colors and nature of your "participation". You would do better frankly by being frank and exhibit your clear disdain for our team. Trash talkers get boring quickly, but even they are a better breed than the masquerade you present. Getting entertainment by trying to let the air out of opposing fans balloon is weak at best and likely neurotic.

You likely won't go away which is a symptom of your malady, but that leaves the rest of us with every right to call out what you are. Some call you troll. If troll is the word for a weak version of an attention sighting, unwanted interloper; then troll.

[monkey]

(They swung for the fences, which is in and of of itself, strong evidence of their helmsworthiness), their value is in their ability to course correct.

Great line, perfectly summed this up for me. I keep thinking that, while the trade turned out to be a bust, the thinking behind the trade, and then the, as you so eloquently put it, "course correction" was spot on.
Who trades away a superstar for FAR less than they paid to obtain him??? Nobody! No team trades away a superstar player for FAR less than they gave up to get him, much less trades him away in the middle of a week during the middle of a season.

Any other team just tries to hide the problem, and AT BEST waits until the end of the season to move on from the problem. This team handles the problem quickly.
Honestly, I've never been more impressed with this front office than I am after this huge failure, because of the way they handled the whole thing.

Here is my hypothesis: A fan of a team should look to his own house ( yours is burning).

Your comments and your presence are disingenuous. Your glib remarks suggest respect for an opposing team where there is none. Too often your mask slips and we see the true colors and nature of your "participation". You would do better frankly by being frank and exhibit your clear disdain for our team. Trash talkers get boring quickly, but even they are a better breed than the masquerade you present. Getting entertainment by trying to let the air out of opposing fans balloon is weak at best and likely neurotic.

You likely won't go away which is a symptom of your malady, but that leaves the rest of us with every right to call out what you are. Some call you troll. If troll is the word for a weak version of an attention sighting, unwanted interloper; then troll.

Nothing to add. Well stated.

[NorthHawk]

I think they are willing to make such a move is because they have the freedom to do so.
There isn't much of anybody above PC/JS who could meddle or block the move. Credit for that goes to Paul Allen for letting the Football minds do their Football thing and realizing mistakes with people will be made.
It's not as if they are going way over the Cap with the owners money - and with the new CBA there are minimum spending thresholds.
The letting go of their Egos for the benefit of the team is impressive, though.

[monkey]

The letting go of their Egos for the benefit of the team is impressive, though.

THIS ^^^ exactly!
Of course, the extra room under the cap won't hurt either, not to mention the fact that we'll now get back to the brand of football that got us to the Super Bowl, back to our real offensive identity, so....

[monkey]

BTW I just had to quote this, it's so danged funny.

"They ought to start selling the referee jerseys. Because the referees are getting more time than the players these days. The referees, they’re getting paid. Their jerseys are on sale so make sure you go on NFL.com and get a referee jersey."

I love Michael Bennett!

[Hawk Sista]

Wilson's ball sweat. You owe me a new iPhone as I dropped mine.

Ha!

[HumanCockroach]

Well that should be until Wilson returns to form after his long (one week)hiatus.

HumanCockroach
Legacy
 
Posts: 1894
Joined: Sat Dec 14, 2013 12:41 pm
Location: Woodinville, Wa

Huh, imagine that, it lasted that one whole week, and was followed up by another HISTORIC put your team on your back, never duplicated, effort one week later. How did I do that you ask Future? Well, it's because it is what he does, each and every time he is needed. How did big bad Kap do against them Broncos? How did he do against them Rams? No insights on what he can and can't do this week? No? Shocking.

It's almost as if you only post when Wilson has a bad game, that can't be right, can it? I mean an "objective" observer such as yourself wouldn't do that, would you? Nah, not Mr. Objective "footballl fan". SMDH, back to your bridge.

[HumanCockroach]

Wilson's ball sweat. You owe me a new iPhone as I dropped mine.

Ha!

Nah, that is Future, I mean if he wasn't so enamored with Kaps ,It never would have seen the light of day. Wish I could take credit, but low hanging fruit like that ( ) or maybe I should put an S on that, is just calling them like I see them.

[RiverDog]

I think they are willing to make such a move is because they have the freedom to do so.
There isn't much of anybody above PC/JS who could meddle or block the move. Credit for that goes to Paul Allen for letting the Football minds do their Football thing and realizing mistakes with people will be made.
It's not as if they are going way over the Cap with the owners money - and with the new CBA there are minimum spending thresholds.
The letting go of their Egos for the benefit of the team is impressive, though.

Good post, North, and I said when we made the deal that I credited Pete for having the balls to make such a stunning trade. You don't get to the top by being complacent or always following conventional wisdom. I only wished that it hadn't been with this guy.

But as much as we can credit Pete and JS for the "letting go of their egos" in ditching Harvin, we have to hold their egos responsible for thinking that they could do what others couldn't do, ie tame the savage beast in Percy Harvin. They were a day late and a dollar short in coming to their senses.

[Hawk Sista]

Too funny HC

[Hawk Sista]

I listened to Pete yesterday. He took accountability for the failure of the trade, he thanked Paul & John for trusting him. He said that he really believed he could bring percy in and put him on a specific plan and that he could get him to buy in & really blow the lead off this thing. He said in the last few weeks it became clear that the best thing was to move on.

I really think there is nothing more I want from my leadership. Swung for the fences, tried, missed, acknowledged and moved on. It does make it better that we won the super bowl. It's time to leaf it go & move forward.