Was Marshawn At Fault for the Interception....?

[burrrton]

There are also no excuses for a QB's poor ball placement on an open receiver.

He hit him in the hands, dipsh*t. That's not "poor placement"- that's acceptable by any reasonable standard.

No one ever wants to blame the QB though, because he's already the most scrutinized player on any team.

I blame him fully and without reservation for a number of incompletions Sunday. The pass to Lynch simply wasn't that bad. "Imperfect"? Yes. "Poor" or "bad"? Not by any stretch.

[Hawk Sista]

*to the tune of "Rawhide" theme song*
Keep trollin' trollin' trollin',
Though they're disapprovin',
Keep them posts a rollin' Futureite!
Don't try to understand 'em,
Just lie and smile and type' em,
Keepin' all your comments good and snide.
Boy my head's calculatin'
Your nerves I will be Graitin', be taunting with my epic Niner pride.


Type 'em up, send 'em out,
Type 'em out, send 'em up,
Type 'em on, send 'em out Futuerite!
Set 'em up, knock em down
Subtle digs, let 'em out,
Send 'em out, drag 'em in Futureite.

[THX-1138]

For my money the sure TD pass to Miller that Wilson clammed into the ground was far more egregious an error.

[burrrton]

For my money the sure TD pass to Miller that Wilson clammed into the ground was far more egregious an error.

It was supposed to be to Helfet iirc (Miller is out right now).

[HumanCockroach]

Wait. I guess variables do effect each player in different ways. No one ever wants to blame the QB though, because he's already the most scrutinized player on any team.

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And yet, I and others have done exactly that multiple times, in multiple threads over the last three weeks. Guess we don't enjoy the smell of our QB's jock quite as much as others. At least talk honestly about it, if you are going to chime in.

[Hawktawk]

Sorry Tawk but no, the answer was not comparative culpability, the answer was yes that it was Marshawn's drop. Watch the damn video. Pete was clearly nodding assent to the question as asked but was also saying it would have taken a terrific catch and that he trusts Marshawn to usually make those. There is no "between the lines" on hot throw. Hot throw just means it was thrown hard, as many throws need to be, including throws over the short middle in traffic. A touch throw would have no chance of success. This throw did.

As for deifying Wilson, I'm sorry that you're fed up with hearing how good he is and I understand the instinct to push back, but this conversation is about a single play, not Wilson's game (which was marginally below the standard he has set for himself) or his performance to this point of his career (which is still exemplary), just this one single play and it is what it is, no matter how much you want it to be something else.[/quote]

Not too sure WTF you are implying Bob. I was on board with Wilson after his first preseason action in 2012 and Ive never gotten off, even when things got rough and a lot of the PI guys bailed on him crying for Flynn.. I'm overjoyed Wilson is our QB, and I wouldn't trade him for anyone in the league.I argued at the time and still believe he should have been voted SB MVP.I'm not fed up with anything except a few blowhards on the forum who think it is OK to belittle someone who sees something a little different or try to imply they aren't real Wilson fans. Christ Bob I know its one frigging play which we disagree about but with 40+years of first playing and then watching the game I have a right to my educated opinion without receiving a brow beating.

[c_hawkbob]

YOU are the one that popped off with the "deifying" crack, you don't get to act like you're the one who was slighted here.

[Hawktawk]

YOU are the one that popped off with the "deifying" crack, you don't get to act like you're the one who was slighted here.

OK Bob point taken.I'm done with the argument. I think there's only one person posting here who isn't a huge Wilson fan and we all know who he is. Lets move on. GO HAWKS!!!!!

[Futureite]

Monkey;

Krapperdick, Chokernick, lacks intelligence, "face of the franchise" yuk yuk, no work ethic just dumbell curls

And all we have is the occassional hobit comnent. Or a critique of a 10 yd slant.

Some can dish. Some can take. Some can only dish and cannot take. You dished plate after plate full and I waived a grain of salt at you......and you couldn't take it.

Not very Christian of you my friend. Now gon' boy and post another thread to make fun of our QB's looks

[HumanCockroach]

Anyone else find this last post hilarious considering the source, and the message?

[Futureite]

Anyone else find this last post hilarious considering the source, and the message?

Anyone else find this last post hilarious considering the source, and the message?

Shhhh. Just quietly eat your crow. That Dallas look? Remember it?.....nah. He's subhuman. Doesn't make mistakes at the end of halves or games.

That Dallas look x 20 is what he'd have had as an opposing QB at Clink last January. Just eat your FN crow week after week as he contunues to do all the things that only Kaeperdick does and you explain them away as something else.

[mykc14]

I really think Future has gone off the deep end. His qb envy is taking over. Either it is causing him to drink or go crazy. Its hard to which it is from his posts but either way its not good.

[HumanCockroach]

What the hell is he on about now?? What crow is there for me to eat? I pointed out the Cowboys game is the first time I had ever seen Wilson completely flustered, DURING the game, there simply no more crow to eat, that game by the way was proceeded by a historical game the week prior, and then trumped by an even more historical one the week following....

[Hawktawk]

Shhhh. Just quietly eat your crow. That Dallas look? Remember it?.....nah. He's subhuman. Doesn't make mistakes at the end of halves or games.

That Dallas look x 20 is what he'd have had as an opposing QB at Clink last January. Just eat your FN crow week after week as he contunues to do all the things that only Kaeperdick does and you explain them away as something else.

Future we are Hawks family in here. Family can talk about our differences but you cant.Wilson has had some end of game fails but he has 12 comebacks and a Super bowl win in only his third season. Krapperdink cant sniff his jock, he will never be as good as RW. Russell can play like s*** all day and when the game is on the line he is golden. Lots of guys are perfect for 4 quarters and fold in the end, like krappytatoonik.

[Futureite]

First part you are right about. Second part is pure comedy. RW has played 8 more games and still putting up games of just over a buck and change passing. Kaep had his struggles and got passed them. RW hasn't yet and probably won't in an O that handcuffs him to conservative play.

2012 was even. True, RW was better in 2013. 2014 is a wash so far. Check the stats. Kaep has an absurd talent advantage over RW in the pocket, and we are just now seeing him scratch the surface of what he can do with it. Taller, stronger arm, better downfield thrower and now about even in accuracy. RW is about at his physical (and mental in that O) peak now. Get real.

[Hawk Sista]

NOW, after seeing these most recent posts from our resident troll, I have to say I feel like a bully. Clearly we are dealing with an individual w/ significant problems. Godspeed, brother. Get the help you need. My apologies for intruding into your crazy little corner of the world. Get well.

[HumanCockroach]

WTH are you yammering about? Wilson JUST became the first QB in NFL history to throw for OVER 300 yards AND rush for over a 100 in the SAME game, two week prior he went for over 200 passing and 100 rushing ( first time MNF history) and he is the eighth man in history to go 200/100 at ALL, NONE of the others, have done it twice in a career, Wilson did it twice in THREE damn weeks.

Joe Fricken Montana just came out and said he was "honored" to be mentioned in the same breath as Wilson, I wonder, did he say the same about Kap recently?? Also, it isn't just Joe comparing Wilson with his work ethic, intelligence and "coolness in pressure situations" but I suppose, those guys simply don't get it either right? Perhaps the greatest QB to ever play the game, and a plethora of former coaches, GM's etc must all not see what Future sees right?

Dreck, dreck and more damn dreck.

[HumanCockroach]

http://seahawks.247sports.com/Bolt/Joe- ... n-32426127

Just because I believe in backing up what I say, as opposed to your ramblings. Let me know if you need more links, be happy to provide them as theere are numerous to choose from.

[HumanCockroach]

http://ninernoise.com/2014/01/17/49er-g ... aepernick/

Huh.

[Futureite]

NOW, after seeing these most recent posts from our resident troll, I have to say I feel like a bully. Clearly we are dealing with an individual w/ significant problems. Godspeed, brother. Get the help you need. My apologies for intruding into your crazy little corner of the world. Get well.

Lol and that was truly the response of a healthy, well adjusted individual.

It's a sports blog. Effen A dude, why in the world do you talk so much junk but cannot take the retort? Cause I am in the wrong place for it? So this is your shyt talking iceberg where all is well and good when said, but an outsider responds and he's got issues.

Issues: Someone that truly believe there us a DNA difference between fans of two different sports in the same regional area. As in, splicing between "scumbag" 49er fans and golden Giants fans. It's not only ridiculous it's flatout weird. I have grown up around these people and they are the SAME.

Issues: The guy in my office that has superimposed a muppet face on Kaep's picture and posted it on the outside of his cube so all of us northern CA sports fans are forced to see it, right next to his blue "12" flag. Your fanbases obsession with our QB's looks and morality is really, really FN weird.

Me calling you or someone else out after being called a million names though, is, normal. I don't take it that seriously, but I can hold my own when I choose to respond to some if it.

All these personal attacks because?? Because I critiqued your QB. I swear, there is something in the water up there. You can't help but make it ultra personal. Whether it's our players or our fans. It's just a game dude.....just a game.

[monkey]

Is there anything funnier than a troll, someone who frequents another teams fan site, telling the fans there that "it's just a game"?
I think we've just discovered what the height of hypocrisy actually looks like.

This reminds me, did you hear that a truck hauling water crashed into a truck hauling vinegar?
Yeah, when they came together it made a loud DOUCHE sound.

[HumanCockroach]

Interestingly enough, you "choose" not to respond to anything that involves actual "facts", yet your all over digs, and your own insults whenever and however you deem fit. Notice you "choose" to skip the whole "only man in history to post two 200/100 games in history, and did in in a three game stretch" but instead bring up some stupid coworker photo on a cubicle as "proof" of something or other. You "choose" to come here and insult posters, the team, the fans, the city or whatever else you deem appropriate at the time, but when it comes to actually BACKING those claims up, you "choose" to skip to another insult, or dig. You "choose" your spots, alright, but I doubt it is getting the desired result ( well, probably it IS doing so, as no matter how much you profess objectivity, you are what people here call you, and you continue to emphatically PROVE it post after post)

"choose" to listen or ignore whatever it seems you think is important, continue to "choose" to refuse to respond or back up your inaccurate, outlandish and pointless drivel, and we'll all "choose" how to respond to you, or what you are.

[Hawk Sista]

As I was going up the stairs,
I met a man who wasn't there...
He wasn't there again today,
Oh how I wish he'd go away.

[RiverDog]

Sometimes you have to take what Pete says in those pressers with a grain of salt. He's pretty reluctant to lay blame on one individual, at times lets his emotions take over, at times talks in code. I also agree with LTF about Russell's admission, whether it was genuine or whether he's become sensitive to the rumor about teammates feeling that he doesn't take responsibility for his mistakes. Bottom line is that I'm not putting a lot of weight behind public statements out of players and coaches when it comes to things like breaking down a root cause for failures of one sort or another, at least not in the current feeding frenzy state of things that surround the Hawks (the Beast trade rumor being the latest blood in the water). I'm still standing my assessment that it was at least partially Russell's fault, partially the play call, and a good part Lynch's.

Now, do we want to discuss the other missed TD opportunity, the pass Russell left a few yards short of a wide, wide open Cooper Helfet? Running to his left? Maybe Helfet turned the wrong way? Sun got in his eyes?

[monkey]

Now, do we want to discuss the other missed TD opportunity, the pass Russell left a few yards short of a wide, wide open Cooper Helfet?

No Riverdog, the only person here who really wants to pick apart every single bad throw Wilson makes, is you.
Well, you and Futureite the troll.

[RiverDog]

No Riverdog, the only person here who really wants to pick apart every single bad throw Wilson makes, is you.
Well, you and Futureite the troll.

Oh, for crying out loud! No one has been a bigger supporter of Russell Wilson than I have. It's just that you and a couple of other NEVER admit that Russell can make a mistake that makes my "picking apart every single bad throw" seem excessive.

[burrrton]

Kaep has an absurd talent advantage over RW in the pocket,

*facepalm*

[Anthony]

Oh, for crying out loud! No one has been a bigger supporter of Russell Wilson than I have. It's just that you and a couple of other NEVER admit that Russell can make a mistake that makes my "picking apart every single bad throw" seem excessive.

Dude we have all admitted he made several bad throws this past game, however the one Lynch dropped was not one of them. The one to CH was a bad, one. The TD drop my TE Wilson was not. For some reason you cannot let this one go, but the reality is it hit him in his hands, should have been caught period. The one to CH Rw made a very bad pass, and it was not his only one for that game, or for this season. I am sure there will be others. Guess what Luck, Manning, Rodgers, Brady, Brees and every QB in the league has made bad passes, missed guys, etc. It happens. Let it go, we won or gods sake. Let it go.

[THX-1138]

For my money the sure TD pass to Miller that Wilson clammed into the ground was far more egregious an error.

It was supposed to be to Helfet iirc (Miller is out right now).

Of course you're right. My brain was somewhat disengaged vis a vis who is whom. Still the pass was a much worse transgression regardless of my misnomer.

[savvyman]

Jesus H Christ - I do not even know where to begin to respond to all the needless and pointless commentary directed here - to answer most of this commentary it would take me a post of about 5 pages long.

First off let's not worry about "What Pete Said" (or did not say) or whether Marshawn would say he would catch that pass - - nor about how long you played high school football nor about trying to make Russell Wilson look bad Nor about if a receiver can put both hands on the ball it is 100% their fault etc. etc. etc..

The post asked the simple question 'Was Marshawn at fault for the Interception before the half". The reason I created it was becaue we have a perception and reality gap. Nearly every comment I have read by people were blaming Lynch. And most people were going on their memories. I did not think it was Marshwans fault and I posted that during the game. Later after reading all the commentary I went back and re-watched the play numerous times including super slow motion to arrive at a conclusion.

The purpose was not to make Russell look bad (I am the one who Invented Russell "effing" Wilson) nor make Marshawn look good.... This was purely all an exercise to examine the facts to arrive at the true reality of the situation.

So what are the "facts"?

1. Russell Wilson Threw a rocket to Lynch on a swing pass at short distance.
2. Russell had a clear, unobstructed, head to toe passing lane at lynch - there was absolutely no one in between Russell and Marshawn when the throw was made ( I point this out because the Lynch Blammers first argument when you brought up that the pass was "High" they said that the pass had to be high because of the defense) - the replay show this belief to be clearly false.
3. The pass was not only high but was wide also.
4. Marshawn had to strecth is arms out as far as he could to try an grab a rocket (or a lot of zip as the announcer described) pass at short range.
5. Marshawn had to also "Leap" towards the ball in order to get both hands on it.


I have updated the Photographic evidence below with helpful commentary for those people who would rather remain wrong in their opinions (formed by their memory of what happened) than face the true reality of the situation that we are discussing in this thread:

Marshawn2.png (406.02 KiB) Viewed 3381 times

Facts Gentlemen (and Lady) - Facts.

Now this is more of an opinion. When A QB is throwing a hard pass to a receiver with a clear lane you will aim for the body zone area - below the neck and above the knees at lowest. Instead Russell throw was off - it was high - above Marshawn's head and wide forcing Marshawn to do everything he could to get his two hands on the ball.

I suppose that all of you who say's (rather than admit you were wrong) "That any pass a reciever can get their hands on and they do not catch it's the receivers fault" will also blame a catcher in baseball who got their mitt on a wild pitch from a pitcher that was high, wide and allowed a runner to score because even though the catcher made a leap for the ball and got their glove on it the ball still made it past the catcher to the backstop? Myself I would put the blame on the Pitcher who threw the ball.

Russell had a wide open throwing Lane to Lynch on this play. His throw was hard, high and wide - the evidence clearly shows this - Lynch showed great effort to get his hands on this ball and still almost brought it in.

So to conclude who was responsible for this interception? 80% Russell Wilson & 20% Marshawn Lynch.

[NorthHawk]

I'll stay with a 60/40 QB fault.
It would have taken a very good catch for a completion which is something not expected of a RB. If it was thrown to Baldwin, or another WR, I would say it would have been a 75/25 WR fault, but there aren't many RBs that make those types of catches. WR's practice that, RB's generally don't.
However, the ball went through Marshawn's hands, so it was possible to catch albeit with a lesser probability of a completion compared to a WR.

It's all water under the bridge, though and it worked out fine for us in the end.

[THX-1138]

This aint another of them apology thread deals, is it? Because I pointed out the bad toss to Helfet (even though I mis-indentificated the TE) and it got mentioned three times. Maybe an apology is in order.

Seriously though, savvy, there is the chance, ever so slight I admit, that you are wrong. Or that you're right but that the majority of people don't agree with you. Nothing you can do about it. I'm not saying you should just go with the flow, but maybe you shouldn't lose your cool over the fact that your position isn't universally embraced. Only one dude in the whole of the universe can accurately answer whether Marchawn should have caught that pass and that is Beast himself. And he don't talk.

I think he should have caught it. You can give me every angle you want. I still think he should have caught it. In the grand scheme of the game it didn't matter; we won. And Lynch didn't get traded to the Oakland Raiders. I just hate to see you get too bent out of shape; maybe you're not but it seems that way.

[mykc14]

Jesus H Christ - I do not even know where to begin to respond to all the needless and pointless commentary directed here - to answer most of this commentary it would take me a post of about 5 pages long.

First off let's not worry about "What Pete Said" (or did not say) or whether Marshawn would say he would catch that pass - - nor about how long you played high school football nor about trying to make Russell Wilson look bad Nor about if a receiver can put both hands on the ball it is 100% their fault etc. etc. etc..

The post asked the simple question 'Was Marshawn at fault for the Interception before the half". The reason I created it was becaue we have a perception and reality gap. Nearly every comment I have read by people were blaming Lynch. And most people were going on their memories. I did not think it was Marshwans fault and I posted that during the game. Later after reading all the commentary I went back and re-watched the play numerous times including super slow motion to arrive at a conclusion.

The purpose was not to make Russell look bad (I am the one who Invented Russell "effing" Wilson) nor make Marshawn look good.... This was purely all an exercise to examine the facts to arrive at the true reality of the situation.

So what are the "facts"?

1. Russell Wilson Threw a rocket to Lynch on a swing pass at short distance.
2. Russell had a clear, unobstructed, head to toe passing lane at lynch - there was absolutely no one in between Russell and Marshawn when the throw was made ( I point this out because the Lynch Blammers first argument when you brought up that the pass was "High" they said that the pass had to be high because of the defense) - the replay show this belief to be clearly false.
3. The pass was not only high but was wide also.
4. Marshawn had to strecth is arms out as far as he could to try an grab a rocket (or a lot of zip as the announcer described) pass at short range.
5. Marshawn had to also "Leap" towards the ball in order to get both hands on it.


I have updated the Photographic evidence below with helpful commentary for those people who would rather remain wrong in their opinions (formed by their memory of what happened) than face the true reality of the situation that we are discussing in this thread:

Marshawn2.png

Facts Gentlemen (and Lady) - Facts.

Now this is more of an opinion. When A QB is throwing a hard pass to a receiver with a clear lane you will aim for the body zone area - below the neck and above the knees at lowest. Instead Russell throw was off - it was high - above Marshawn's head and wide forcing Marshawn to do everything he could to get his two hands on the ball.

I suppose that all of you who say's (rather than admit you were wrong) "That any pass a reciever can get their hands on and they do not catch it's the receivers fault" will also blame a catcher in baseball who got their mitt on a wild pitch from a pitcher that was high, wide and allowed a runner to score because even though the catcher made a leap for the ball and got their glove on it the ball still made it past the catcher to the backstop? Myself I would put the blame on the Pitcher who threw the ball.

Russell had a wide open throwing Lane to Lynch on this play. His throw was hard, high and wide - the evidence clearly shows this - Lynch showed great effort to get his hands on this ball and still almost brought it in.

So to conclude who was responsible for this interception? 80% Russell Wilson & 20% Marshawn Lynch.

Wow, this is turning more and more into the Kennedy assassination everyday. Great visual, but like I pointed out earlier your picture does not prove that Lynch had to jump to catch the ball. Also, if you could give us a pic of when the ball actually hits his hands that would be the perfect time to discuss if some other of your other points are correct. I do agree about the pass being a little high, it certainly 'could' have been lower but it is not unusual to hit a receiver in front of the helmet/facemask area in order to keep the receivers momentum going forward (i.e. leading the receiver). A throw to the body tends to innately slow the receiver down. But in reality we are talking about a foot or less of difference. There are a ton of things we don't know, like I have pointed out earlier. Did ML slow down? Did ML run at the correct depth? Also, I hate to point this out because it is irrelevant, but ML didn't run a swing pass. I can't remember for sure but it was either a slant or 'Texas' route where he takes a few steps outside and then basically runs a slant, but again not exactly relevant except for the fact that if it were a 'Texas' route sometimes the timing can be a little tougher because of when the receiver goes back to the inside.

[HumanCockroach]

There is only one question that needs to be asked, and only one. Was the ball catcheable? That answers the question, completely, and fully. If you can't answer that question honestly, than it shows where your head is, and why you can't see it for what it is.

Which is a pass that while not perfect, wasn't some horrible throw, and the receiver ( Lynch) simply flubbed it. ShouId I start a thread every week "placing blame" when Lynch misses a block, drops a ball, or should have cut another way? No. Guy messed up on one play, and I simply understand that everyone, does that, Wilson, Lynch, Baldwin whomever. No ONE made a huge deal out of it, no one created some huge controversary over it. I promise you I could indeed do that, each and every week for every player on this team.

Could Wilson have made it an "easier" catch? Yep. Was it catcheable? MOST DEFINATELY , if it is catcheable, it is on the receiver not making the catch, every single time, always has been, always will be. If it isn't catcheable, it's on the QB every time, and always will be.

[monkey]

*facepalm*

For him, his "eyes" trump statistics, wins, and any and all actual game results every time. It matters not that he cannot back up that ridiculous statement at ALL.
This is why I labeled him a troll a long time ago, not because he has a different opinion, (I would expect that!) but because his opinion is the ONLY thing he has, and when his opinion is confronted with statistics etc... all of which PROVE his opinion wrong, he just gets angry and doubles down on the rhetoric.
Hence: Troll.

[HumanCockroach]

http://www.seahawks.com/videos-photos/highlights.html

here is the video, hopefully this clears up some confusion.

a) Lynch didn't have to jump, so i wish people would stop insisting he did. choosing to jump, and having to jump, certainly is NOT the same thing.

B) for what ever reason Lynch pauses prior to attempting to catch the ball, and his arms were NOT fully extended when the ballhits his hands.

C) a floater IS incomplete, as there is inside help coming fast.

D) the throw was from the 10 yard line, so why people insist it was a 2 yard pass is beyond me

Hugh Millen and a radio host who has never played a down in his life, tested this out earlier yesterday ( KJR) Millen threw the ball as hard as he could, on the same route from two yards out, the radio guy completely missed the first two, guess what happened on the third?? yep that unathletic, non professional football player caught the damn ball.

Check their site, they are to supposedly going to post it.

[monkey]

1. Russell Wilson Threw a rocket to Lynch on a swing pass at short distance.
2. Russell had a clear, unobstructed, head to toe passing lane at lynch - there was absolutely no one in between Russell and Marshawn when the throw was made ( I point this out because the Lynch Blammers first argument when you brought up that the pass was "High" they said that the pass had to be high because of the defense) - the replay show this belief to be clearly false.
3. The pass was not only high but was wide also.
4. Marshawn had to strecth is arms out as far as he could to try an grab a rocket (or a lot of zip as the announcer described) pass at short range.
5. Marshawn had to also "Leap" towards the ball in order to get both hands on it.

Sorry Savvy, but you are NOT listing facts, you are listing observations from your perspective. So I will counter with my own.
1. You characterize the pass as a rocket, I do not. He did put some zip on it, he needed to, was there too much?
That is a completely subjective and debatable opinion.
2. I have no problem with this statement.
3. I disagree, it was not wide, he was leading Lynch right into the end zone.
4. Yep, he had to make a catch with his hands...like any receiver is taught to do. Again, rocket? I don't think so. VERY catch able pass!
5. See that's part of the mistake Lynch makes there, he actually did NOT need to leap, he should have just ran through the ball like EVERY receiver ever is taught to do. Look the ball into your hands, and let the momentum take you into the end zone, and TOUCHDOWN. The problem was that, he was slow in recognizing that the ball was coming his way, and then late reacting to it.

This is where I must point out that, Lynch is NOT a WR, and he's not a WR for a reason! That doesn't mean that he cannot catch, it means he doesn't do it as well as a true wide receiver would have done.
This is also where I point out that, if that had been Baldwin or anyone of our receivers, that ball would ABSOLUTELY have been caught 99.9999% of the time! I guarantee every receiver on this team makes that catch virtually EVERY TIME!!!


I place it, 95% Lynch 5% Wilson. And the more I watch the replay, the more that percentage creeps towards 100%.

My brother the Cowboys fan (who played WR in college) when I showed that to him, said "OH MAN! Lynch just clanked it!" He called it 100% on Lynch and went into a rather long winded lecture on how a receiver is supposed to catch the ball (which I grew extremely bored listening to actually, and sort of tuned him out.....I digress).

Point is, the reason most people say that was on Lynch is because most coaches, most players, and most people who ever played the position would ALSO say it was on Lynch.
It just is.

[Long Time Fan]

I can't add much to the considerable dissection of contributory negligence for the incomplete pass in question. I would however believe that RW felt that he put the ball where it needed to be; to make it both catch-able and unable to be intercepted. RW most often errs on on the side of caution, keeping his tight windowed throws un-interceptable leaving the receiver to catch the more difficult to catch pass.

Other missed throws in that game (The badly missed wide open TE) seemed to be a result of RW's grip on the ball. We all know how large RW's hands are; could it be that the center snap on a few of those throws left the ball in a position where RW was unable to find the laces? If so Unger's return might aid RW and the offense more than we know.

[burrrton]

Sorry, Savvy, but that drop is on Lynch 95%, and virtually anyone who watches the video will tell you that.

Here. Go watch it again (INT is at the 1:00 mark, with replay immediately following):

http://www.panthers.com/news/article-2/ ... 692637c406

He didn't have to jump for it. He didn't have to over-extend his arms in a vain attempt to reach the ball.

It was a decent if imperfect pass that should have been caught.

[burrrton]

For him, his "eyes" trump statistics, wins, and any and all actual game results every time. It matters not that he cannot back up that ridiculous statement at ALL.
This is why I labeled him a troll a long time ago, not because he has a different opinion, (I would expect that!) but because his opinion is the ONLY thing he has, and when his opinion is confronted with statistics etc... all of which PROVE his opinion wrong, he just gets angry and doubles down on the rhetoric.
Hence: Troll.

Inclined to agree at this point.

Kaep has "an absurd talent advantage" in the pocket?? This has been explained to him six ways to Sunday: RW is *better* in the pocket than out, and has been far better than Kaep in both iirc.

Hell, even Niners fans agree:

http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/russell- ... de-pocket/