Was Marshawn At Fault for the Interception....?

[NorthHawk]

I am of the opinion it depends on what you expect of your running back.
Personally, I want them to be good runners first and pass catchers second. This means throws to them have to be better than to WRs who are pass catchers first.
This was not a well thrown pass from that perspective and my guess is more than half of the RBs in the league wouldn't catch it given the same situation.

[burrrton]

Keep responding? Eh, why not...

I am of the opinion it depends on what you expect of your running back.

"Catch passes that hit you in the hands" isn't too tall an order, I don't think.

[THX-1138]

My Gahd! There's this dead horse just laying here and me with a stick in my hand! Whatever shall I do?

[NorthHawk]

Keep responding? Eh, why not...

I am of the opinion it depends on what you expect of your running back.

"Catch passes that hit you in the hands" isn't too tall an order, I don't think.



It would have taken a good catch for it to be complete.
If it hit him between the numbers I would agree, but I suspect he doesn't practice catching those types of passes like a WR does.
Blame goes to both and I think 60/40 on the QB.

Sure it's a dead horse, THX but there's nothing else going on.

[burrrton]

It would have taken a good catch for it to be complete.

Watch the video- it would have been non-remarkable if he had caught it. It didn't take a Herculean effort to get to it.

If it hit him between the numbers I would agree, but I suspect he doesn't practice catching those types of passes like a WR does.

Huh? The RB is a key component of our and virtually every other teams' passing games, and I guarantee he sees those types of passes all the time, which I think you have to agree with unless you think every pass RW throws is perfect when facing the LOB instead of another team.

Blame goes to both and I think 60/40 on the QB.

Nonsense. RW hit him in the hands. Just because he didn't underhand it to Marshawn's gut doesn't put the majority of blame on him.

Sure it's a dead horse, THX but there's nothing else going on.

Yup.

[NorthHawk]

He had to fully extend his arms to get his hands on it.
That, by any means is not a well thrown pass to a RB in the middle of the field near the end zone. Just because it hit him in fully outreached hands doesn't mean it was a good pass.
Bill Walsh wanted his QBs to hit the WRs within about an 18" window - and that's for players whose job is to catch the ball.

There's a lot going on there and for a RB to turn around and find the pass is high is a tough catch for a RB and maybe even a WR if they get crocodile arms.
If he had caught it I would be saying it was a really good catch for a RB because it wasn't as easy as you claim.

RB's usually make the conventional catches - I contend this pass wasn't conventional for a RB. You can't project WR efficiency in catching the ball onto a RB. Most of the passes to the RBs are swing passes or outlet passes, and there are drops each week on these easy catches. This pass had a higher degree of difficulty because it was slightly off target. Thus my (purely subjective) 60/40 fault assignment.

[savvyman]

Due to Numerous request I have another Photo evidence of the play in dispute - except this time is as close as I could get to when the ball arrived at Marshawn's hands.

I have added the helpful graphics for those with blind spots and filters in their judgement.

Also, for the first time - - I have added the thoughts that were going through Marshawn mind at the time of this play.

Based on this latest Photographic evidence - it should now be clear beyond any reasonable person doubt that Russell was 80% responsible for the interception and Marshawn was 20% responsible.

Marshawn 3.jpg (331.39 KiB) Viewed 2664 times

I think now that everyone who were wrong can now agree that Russell is 80% responsible for this INT there is no need for further posts on this Topic?

[Agent 86]

Due to Numerous request I have another Photo evidence of the play in dispute - except this time is as close as I could get to when the ball arrived at Marshawn's hands.

I have added the helpful graphics for those with blind spots and filters in their judegment.

Also, I have added the thoughts that were going through Marshawn mind at the time of this play.

Based on this latest Photographic evidence - it should now be clear beyond any reasonable person doubt that Russell was 80% responsible for the interception and Marshawn was 20% responsible.

Marshawn 3.jpg

I think now that everyone who were wrong now agrees that Russell is 80% responsible for this INT there is no need for further posts on this Topic?

Can't believe it was 0-0 in the Vikes/Bucs game with 0:41 seconds left in the first half. I hope if you bet you had the under in that game.

[Futureite]

Burton;

If he is better in the pocket, why is he running for 100+ twice already while Kaep is throwing? Here we go with the "our Oline sycks and RW us saving us". Ours does too. It's been a turnstyle of backup players all seasin long. What I have pisted forever here is that RW's game is built off of movement. Buying time witbin the pocket until a WR breaks open.makes him a great scrambler. Short/intermediate routes increase proficiency and help statistics. Neither makes him a great pocket passer. And he is not.

You are not a great pocket passer if you have several games of just over 100 yds passing in a 10 game stretch. Or continually put up 100 yds rushing as a QB. You are not a great pocket passer if Christian Ponder and Darrel Bevel have Harvin on pace for an MVP season, and he barely cracks 100 yds receiving in 6 games with RW with the same OC.

RW is a good QB. Still young and learning. But some of you sound like fools continuing the sane "duh your QB coukdn't carry ours jock". Lol really. I think Kaep had 100 yds V the Cowboys after 2 drives. QB envy? Pleeeease dude. I am just giving it back to you after reading this bullshyt for yrs. I could care less where you or anyone else rates our QB or our team in general.

[mykc14]

Marshawn 3.jpg

I think there was a second passer, on the grassy knoll. You can barely see the silhouette of Brett Farve in the background, trying to get the TD record back from Peyton. I wouldn't be surprised to see him at other games this weekend. He was the one who was really mad at ML, the evidence can be seen in one of his twitter post that night: "Catch the Damn Ball Beast Mode, It Was A Perfect Pass." This post has since been deleted, but it does say 'it was a perfect pass.' I'm just sayin.

[Hawktawk]

RW is a good QB. Still young and learning. But some of you sound like fools continuing the sane "duh your QB coukdn't carry ours jock". Lol really. I think Kaep had 100 yds V the Cowboys after 2 drives. QB envy? Pleeeease dude. I am just giving it back to you after reading this bullshyt for yrs. I could care less where you or anyone else rates our QB or our team in general.

You dont care? LMAO I regularly visit this forum as a lifetime Seahawks fan and I post when I can. You are a NINERS fan and you have posted roughly 200 more times than I have since this forum was established. Your a lurker, a lurking mega troll.You care very much and are obsessed with it. You cant handle that the airhead with the tats, backwards baseball cap and pink beats around his neck while representing the franchise isn't in the same galaxy as Wilson and he never will be. And that is both on and OFF the field where there is truly no comparison.Kap is body by Adonis brain by Kmart.He and Hairball will go down holding hands, linked forever on the ash heap of NFL lore.

Sorry Future its just how it is and it makes me ROFLMFAO BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH

[HumanCockroach]

Burton;

If he is better in the pocket, why is he running for 100+ twice already while Kaep is throwing? Here we go with the "our Oline sycks and RW us saving us". Ours does too. It's been a turnstyle of backup players all seasin long. What I have pisted forever here is that RW's game is built off of movement. Buying time witbin the pocket until a WR breaks open.makes him a great scrambler. Short/intermediate routes increase proficiency and help statistics. Neither makes him a great pocket passer. And he is not.

You are not a great pocket passer if you have several games of just over 100 yds passing in a 10 game stretch. Or continually put up 100 yds rushing as a QB. You are not a great pocket passer if Christian Ponder and Darrel Bevel have Harvin on pace for an MVP season, and he barely cracks 100 yds receiving in 6 games with RW with the same OC.

RW is a good QB. Still young and learning. But some of you sound like fools continuing the sane "duh your QB coukdn't carry ours jock". Lol really. I think Kaep had 100 yds V the Cowboys after 2 drives. QB envy? Pleeeease dude. I am just giving it back to you after reading this bullshyt for yrs. I could care less where you or anyone else rates our QB or our team in general.

Are you serious with this crap? Psst... Wilson has MORE 300 yard passing game than Kaepernick, has MORE 100 yard rushing games than Kap, and his passing yards per attempts and per completion are top five in the NFL over the last two and a half seasons ( you know ahead of guys named Manning, Rivers etc, are you going to argue they aren't as talented in the pocket as Kap as well???). Plenty more holes I could poke in this rambling, inaccurate post, but trolls simply aren't worth the time, and you would simply ignore the stats and facts that back it up, so why bother?

Keep aimlessly trying to throw mud on a top 5-10 QB , that continues to make NFL history at almost every turn, truth is Wilson has done numerous things NEVER seen before, and even your OWN HOF QB places him above Mr. Kap ( well duh, because he IS, and those HOF'rs tend to understand talent, ability and hard work a little bit better than people that base every assessment on their "eye test", especially when clouded so thoroughly with the sweat from their own QB's ball sack).

[PasadenaHawk]

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I think there was a second passer, on the grassy knoll. You can barely see the silhouette of Brett Farve in the background, trying to get the TD record back from Peyton. I wouldn't be surprised to see him at other games this weekend. He was the one who was really mad at ML, the evidence can be seen in one of his twitter post that night: "Catch the Damn Ball Beast Mode, It Was A Perfect Pass." This post has since been deleted, but it does say 'it was a perfect pass.' I'm just sayin.[/quote]

Very funny!

[Hawktown]

Due to Numerous request I have another Photo evidence of the play in dispute - except this time is as close as I could get to when the ball arrived at Marshawn's hands.

I have added the helpful graphics for those with blind spots and filters in their judgement.

Also, for the first time - - I have added the thoughts that were going through Marshawn mind at the time of this play.

Based on this latest Photographic evidence - it should now be clear beyond any reasonable person doubt that Russell was 80% responsible for the interception and Marshawn was 20% responsible.

Marshawn 3.jpg

I think now that everyone who were wrong can now agree that Russell is 80% responsible for this INT there is no need for further posts on this Topic?

WOW!!! just WOW!!!! but

[Hawktown]

Burton;

If he is better in the pocket, why is he running for 100+ twice already while Kaep is throwing? Here we go with the "our Oline sycks and RW us saving us". Ours does too. It's been a turnstyle of backup players all seasin long. What I have pisted forever here is that RW's game is built off of movement. Buying time witbin the pocket until a WR breaks open.makes him a great scrambler. Short/intermediate routes increase proficiency and help statistics. Neither makes him a great pocket passer. And he is not.

You are not a great pocket passer if you have several games of just over 100 yds passing in a 10 game stretch. Or continually put up 100 yds rushing as a QB. You are not a great pocket passer if Christian Ponder and Darrel Bevel have Harvin on pace for an MVP season, and he barely cracks 100 yds receiving in 6 games with RW with the same OC.

RW is a good QB. Still young and learning. But some of you sound like fools continuing the sane "duh your QB coukdn't carry ours jock". Lol really. I think Kaep had 100 yds V the Cowboys after 2 drives. QB envy? Pleeeease dude. I am just giving it back to you after reading this bullshyt for yrs. I could care less where you or anyone else rates our QB or our team in general.

HMM. This is very impressive!!! I also think a little alcohol was involved?

[THX-1138]

Sure it's a dead horse, THX but there's nothing else going on.

Oh come on now. There's gotta be something else for our attentions. Isn't there? The Raider game is coming up. That could be a thing. If I were given to starting conversations as opposed to ruining them I would post about it.

I wonder which fools will blame me for this?--Marshawn's bubble quote

Actually, I kind of thought that the point everyone was trying to make was that some of us didn't feel it was RW's fault. I don't particularly blame Lynch for the INT. I blame him for the not-catching-the-pass-which-led-to-the-INT. However, I think I could have caught that pass. I think you could have caught that pass. I think RW could have caught that pass after throwing it. I'll bet even old Futurewhat could have caught that pass. I think my dead cat could have caught that pass. Crabtree could not have caught that pass.

I'm just joking. Except for the Crabtree part.

[Anthony]

Are you serious with this crap? Psst... Wilson has MORE 300 yard passing game than Kaepernick, has MORE 100 yard rushing games than Kap, and his passing yards per attempts and per completion are top five in the NFL over the last two and a half seasons ( you know ahead of guys named Manning, Rivers etc, are you going to argue they aren't as talented in the pocket as Kap as well???). Plenty more holes I could poke in this rambling, inaccurate post, but trolls simply aren't worth the time, and you would simply ignore the stats and facts that back it up, so why bother?

Keep aimlessly trying to throw mud on a top 5-10 QB , that continues to make NFL history at almost every turn, truth is Wilson has done numerous things NEVER seen before, and even your OWN HOF QB places him above Mr. Kap ( well duh, because he IS, and those HOF'rs tend to understand talent, ability and hard work a little bit better than people that base every assessment on their "eye test", especially when clouded so thoroughly with the sweat from their own QB's ball sack).

Forgetting all that Wilson has a 100+ qb rating in the pocket and 64+5 complt% in the pocket those are great numbers. There is a difference between running because you have to and it helps you team and running because you cannot pass. Wilson only runs when he has to, and in a few games he has to a lot. However 100+ qb rating and over 64% comlpt% are fatcts showing he is great in the pocket, so much for that BS excuse, what now troll?

[Anthony]

Due to Numerous request I have another Photo evidence of the play in dispute - except this time is as close as I could get to when the ball arrived at Marshawn's hands.

I have added the helpful graphics for those with blind spots and filters in their judgement.

Also, for the first time - - I have added the thoughts that were going through Marshawn mind at the time of this play.

Based on this latest Photographic evidence - it should now be clear beyond any reasonable person doubt that Russell was 80% responsible for the interception and Marshawn was 20% responsible.

Marshawn 3.jpg

I think now that everyone who were wrong can now agree that Russell is 80% responsible for this INT there is no need for further posts on this Topic?

Yeah no sorry Lynch burdens most of the blame on that one, you showed an angle and picture that left out a whole lot. Sorry ML at least 80% at fault maybe more.

[burrrton]

He had to fully extend his arms to get his hands on it.

1. He didn't *fully* have to extend. Watch the gddmn video.
2. 75% of NFL passes require the receiver to reach for the dmn ball. Jeezus.

That, by any means is not a well thrown pass to a RB in the middle of the field near the end zone.

How long have you been watching the NFL? Serious question.

[burrrton]

If he is better in the pocket, why is he running for 100+ twice already while Kaep is throwing?

Watch what the pocket does most of the time this year, genius.

Ours does too. It's been a turnstyle of backup players all seasin long.

I don't give a sht if it's backup players or not. Our o-line isn't good under ideal circumstances.

Our QB has 2-3 seconds most of the time, if that. Him running for so many yards should tell you all you need to know about our line's performance, dipsh*t.

I am just giving it back to you after reading this bullshyt for yrs.

I know, Future- you're frustrated. That much is obvious.

some of you sound like fools

"You sound like fools" from the guy saying RW sucks compared to Kaep in the pocket. You'll pardon us if we take that with a grain of salt, right, Future?

[monkey]

I am just giving it back to you after reading this bullshyt for yrs. I could care less where you or anyone else rates our QB or our team in general.

For this post, I've decided to call on the aid of an old friend of mine, it's a robot I built a number of years back which has been programmed to decipher the indecipherable. His primary strength is the ability to translate coach speak and troll speak into something resembling understandable English.
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[HumanCockroach]

He had to fully extend his arms to get his hands on it.
That, by any means is not a well thrown pass to a RB in the middle of the field near the end zone. Just because it hit him in fully outreached hands doesn't mean it was a good pass.
Bill Walsh wanted his QBs to hit the WRs within about an 18" window - and that's for players whose job is to catch the ball.

There's a lot going on there and for a RB to turn around and find the pass is high is a tough catch for a RB and maybe even a WR if they get crocodile arms.
If he had caught it I would be saying it was a really good catch for a RB because it wasn't as easy as you claim.

RB's usually make the conventional catches - I contend this pass wasn't conventional for a RB. You can't project WR efficiency in catching the ball onto a RB. Most of the passes to the RBs are swing passes or outlet passes, and there are drops each week on these easy catches. This pass had a higher degree of difficulty because it was slightly off target. Thus my (purely subjective) 60/40 fault assignment.

Watch the video, and get back to us. I provided the link. Lynch actually made the catch MORE difficult than it needed to be, as he slowed down, didn't need to jump, and could have avoided 'extending his arms' to make the catch if he had finished his route. And yes I expect professional RB's to catch balls that hit them in the hands, and to finish their routes. If that means I'm being to harsh than so be it. I expect professionals to do their jobs, and that includes Lynch in this circumstance.

I've said the same thing numerous times, was the ball catcheable? if so the blame lies with the guy that could catch it, regardless of position. If that was Miller, or Heflet, or Willson, I would expect them to catch the ball as well, and regardless of how you feel about it, none of which are expected to be 'better' receivers than Lynch. Miller spends 80% of his time playing tackle for F sake, and he still somehow manages to catch the balls that hit him the hands. It's part of the job for Recievers, TE's AND RB's.

[Futureite]

Munkay;

Hahaha, my opinions are generally fairly accurate. I believe I had Seahawks 17 Panthers 14, or Seahawks 20 Panthers 14. I believe I had Hawks by 7 over Den. If you seriously read through a lot of what I post, it's much accurate % wise than most of the troll hunters. I mean the blowout predictions I read here for both games were ridiculous.

The opinions that drive you up and over the wall are the ones that don't match the image you have of your team. For example:

In the offseason I questioned the extent to which Seattle's pass D would fall off with the rule enforcement on contact. I speculated a minimal dropoff (and I emphasized minimal) due to the fact that Seattle's D is predicated on immediate pressure and huge, physical corners that lock up receivers. You hated that opinion and "trolled" me for it. Look at where Seahawk pass D currently ranks. Turns out it fell off a cliff.

QB rankings; I actually ranked Wilson ahead of Kaep but put them both below Luck. Turns out Kaep and RW are nearly statistically equal, neither has been able to carry their respective teams, and Luck is on pace for 50 Tds. I know any QB can throw 50 tds "if they throw enough" right?......remember. This opinion qualified me as a troll only because it butted against the image you have of your own QB.

I gots facts. You gots robots and songs. Still appreciate the creativity .

[Anthony]

Munkay;

Hahaha, my opinions are generally fairly accurate. I believe I had Seahawks 17 Panthers 14, or Seahawks 20 Panthers 14. I believe I had Hawks by 7 over Den. If you seriously read through a lot of what I post, it's much accurate % wise than most of the troll hunters. I mean the blowout predictions I read here for both games were ridiculous.

The opinions that drive you up and over the wall are the ones that don't match the image you have of your team. For example:

In the offseason I questioned the extent to which Seattle's pass D would fall off with the rule enforcement on contact. I speculated a minimal dropoff (and I emphasized minimal) due to the fact that Seattle's D is predicated on immediate pressure and huge, physical corners that lock up receivers. You hated that opinion and "trolled" me for it. Look at where Seahawk pass D currently ranks. Turns out it fell off a cliff.

QB rankings; I actually ranked Wilson ahead of Kaep but put them both below Luck. Turns out Kaep and RW are nearly statistically equal, neither has been able to carry their respective teams, and Luck is on pace for 50 Tds. I know any QB can throw 50 tds "if they throw enough" right?......remember. This opinion qualified me as a troll only because it butted against the image you have of your own QB.

I gots facts. You gots robots and songs. Still appreciate the creativity .

More from the waste of space troll. Lets see we have won 4 games 3 of which we do not win without Wilson. So yes he can and has carried our team. Now as to Luck he is having a great year, he has a top 10 pass blocking oline to Wilson bottom 10, he has a top 10 WR corps to Wilson middle of the pact (at best) he is in the AFC to Wilson NFC, and he has played a much easier schedule, and he is in a pass happy offense. All that said Luck has more yards and attempts which is why he has more yards. He does have 22 TDs however also 9 ints which means he is a 2.4/1 td/int ratio. Wilson has 11tds but only 3 ints which is 3.66/1 td/int ratio which is much better oh and Luck has played 1 more game than Wilson. Oh and Wilson also has 3 rushing tds to Luck 0. IF Wilson got the same attempts Luck did his stats would be 2498 yards, 65.2 complt%, 20 tds, 6ints, qb rating 104, so the extra attempts do matter. So while I agree Luck is having a great season, Wilson is far from bad having already set some NFL records and other than yards which is a by product of attempts they are very comparable.

[monkey]

I gots facts. You gots robots and songs. Still appreciate the creativity .

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[Hawk Sista]

Monkey for president! Maybe you can have your robot translate the meaning of futuroll-light misspelling your name to munkay.

Dude knows that our LOB is in the infirmary and pats himself on the back for projecting a decrease in production bbased on rule changes and it coming to fruition. Whiskey-Tango-Foxtrot??????

[Futureite]

Monkey for president! Maybe you can have your robot translate the meaning of futuroll-light misspelling your name to munkay.

Dude knows that our LOB is in the infirmary and pats himself on the back for projecting a decrease in production bbased on rule changes and it coming to fruition. Whiskey-Tango-Foxtrot??????

Nope. In the offseason I noted losses of Thurmond, Browner, Bryant, Clemons et al. The response was that Browner didn't play the last 1/4 of the yr, Bryant was fazed out, Simon would be fune in place of Thurmond, Irvin was ready for fulltime Leo.

I said all of these losses would force guys to play more and to play roles that they were not comfortable in. That they may wear out or just not perform as effectively. I made the point that your D was NOT built off of great cover guys but instead was built off of undersized Dlinemen that put immediate pressure on the QB and huge corners that played very pbysical at the line. Why anyone would argue these points is beyind me, but a lot of people did.

Well, the losses did hurt your D. They tire easier now (check).

Due in part to the losses in rotation, they do not pressure the QB as well, which leaves Carroll's system of huge DB's exposed (check).

Your physical corners that are not allowed to play as physical by the rule changes now allow opposing QBs a rating of 98+ (check)

All EXACTLY what I posited could happen in some combination.

Lol injuries? Our pass rush sucks. One of the NFL's worst. Don't give me unjuries. Remember how much you guys chided our "terrible" DBs? Somehow they are still outperforming your guys with all the same hurdles.

More examples of all the trolling I do lol. A couple of you are like reverse trolls. Maybe Gargoyles? Gargoyling by calling anyone else who disagrees a troll. Over gaurding your lair.

Munkay is definitely a Gargoyle.

[Anthony]

Nope. In the offseason I noted losses of Thurmond, Browner, Bryant, Clemons et al. The response was that Browner didn't play the last 1/4 of the yr, Bryant was fazed out, Simon would be fune in place of Thurmond, Irvin was ready for fulltime Leo.

I said all of these losses would force guys to play more and to play roles that they were not comfortable in. That they may wear out or just not perform as effectively. I made the point that your D was NOT built off of great cover guys but instead was built off of undersized Dlinemen that put immediate pressure on the QB and huge corners that played very pbysical at the line. Why anyone would argue these points is beyind me, but a lot of people did.

Well, the losses did hurt your D. They tire easier now (check).

Due in part to the losses in rotation, they do not pressure the QB as well, which leaves Carroll's system of huge DB's exposed (check).

Your physical corners that are not allowed to play as physical by the rule changes now allow opposing QBs a rating of 98+ (check)

All EXACTLY what I posited could happen in some combination.

Lol injuries? Our pass rush sucks. One of the NFL's worst. Don't give me unjuries. Remember how much you guys chided our "terrible" DBs? Somehow they are still outperforming your guys with all the same hurdles.

More examples of all the trolling I do lol. A couple of you are like reverse trolls. Maybe Gargoyles? Gargoyling by calling anyone else who disagrees a troll. Over gaurding your lair.

Munkay is definitely a Gargoyle.

Cool now another Monkey special showing the troll what he is WRONG. Get him Monkey