Seahawks 1st Place in...

[mykc14]

NFC West. 9 days from today at around 4:30 in the afternoon. We beat the Chiefs (I know tough game) and the Cards lose this Sunday (come on Lions!). Then we take care of business at the Clink next Sunday and the top two places in the NFL West will look like this 1) Seahawks 8-3 2) Cardinals 8-3. We will be back on top where we belong. Then a Thursday Night Thanksgiving game against the niners...

[Distant Relative]

I would be happy to get a win in KC. All that other stuff will take care of its self. Super tough stretch coming up and I could see 3 more losses if they don't get some key players back pronto.

[mykc14]

I would be happy to get a win in KC. All that other stuff will take care of its self. Super tough stretch coming up and I could see 3 more losses if they don't get some key players back pronto.

I agree about at this point just getting a win in KC will be nice, it gonna be a tough game. But I just wanted to point out that as bad as its been (injuries, losing close games, RW's 'off' play recently, the whole harvin debacle, RW not being black enough, etc) there is a very real possibility that we could be on top of the NFC West in a little over a week, which gets me a little pumped up and puts a smile on my face

[Zorn76]

Beating KC would be Huge.

Tough environment to play, but I'm feeling better about the game as it draws closer.

The Cards will still be tough, IMO, even with Palmer out.
Stanton is 2-1 as a starter, and did a nice job stepping in last week when Carson went down.

We also want Detroit to win so they have a better shot at making GB the WC team, whom we hold a tiebreaker advantage over if we finish with the seam record. We also want Dallas to win the East, forcing Philly to be in WC status, provided we beat them as well in a few weeks.

Getting a bit ahead with those scenarios, but it's hard not to keep them in mind.

I'm glad we're taking on AZ and Phil minus their 2 starters, though.

[HumanCockroach]

Not overly concerned with Stanton, "good" backups are .500 Players, Drew to date hasn't been a "good" backup in his career, he can rewrite that narrative in the conclusion of the season, but to date he hasn't been. It's impressive that he is 2-1 but the truth is, in two of the three games he has started he hasn't been anything close to resembling "good", he won one of those clunkers but I'm not sold that he can continue to do so. He had a real nice game against the Niners, which seems about right to me ( one out of three will be solid, or good, with the other two being pretty poor), until he plays more it is difficult to gage, many believed Davis in STL was also "really good" so good he was just benched, unfortunately for the Cards, there is NO Shaun Hill to turn to should Stanton turn into a pumpkin, which creates some pretty big issues for that team, should it ( and IMHO when it) happens.

[Hawktawk]

I like this thread title even though we are supposed to take em one at a time eh? Ill be at the Clink for AZ so I really hope we are sitting at 7-3 and 2 games out at worst.I am less nervous about Sunday than the next one. Seattle can win or lose both and neither result would shock me. These are both very good well coached teams. Detroit is a good road test for AZ but its Stantons college home state too.

Can we talk? It's time to quit whistling in the graveyard about Bruce Arians and WHOEVER he has lining up at QB. The guy is like 18-7 since coming to the NFC West. When he got hired he said "I dont see the long term dominance everybody is talking about" referring to the Hawks and 9ers supposed stranglehold on the division. I said yeah right buddy then they went 10-6 and beat Seattle in the Clink as I sat in the rain watching Wilson look as bad as he ever has along with his line and receivers and somehow they overcome 4 picks and win. Then this year huge losses on defense and playing 3 different QBs at times and they are 8-1 and in control of the division. Arians coaches up QB's and he can break down opposing QB's as well.They are for real.They make me nervous. I'm really anxious to see how a week from Sunday goes but I have nothing but respect for the birds from the south.

[HumanCockroach]

Big difference between winning despite a QB and winning with a QB. I appreciate how good of a coach Arians is, however pretending like he has a "magic" touch with QB's like Stanton ( a 75ish passer rating in the games started this year) or Throw four turnovers and win Palmer, isn't accurate IMHO. Being a good coach, and saying how talented certain guys are ( or even saying he has turned them into good QB's) isn't accurate, at least based on their performances under Arians.

ALL of Arians QB's have had turnover issues, every last one of them ( Rothlisberger, Luck, Palmer and Stanton) and professing they have all been "great" isn't doing much looking.

[Hawktawk]

Big difference between winning despite a QB and winning with a QB. I appreciate how good of a coach Arians is, however pretending like he has a "magic" touch with QB's like Stanton ( a 75ish passer rating in the games started this year) or Throw four turnovers and win Palmer, isn't accurate IMHO. Being a good coach, and saying how talented certain guys are ( or even saying he has turned them into good QB's) isn't accurate, at least based on their performances under Arians.

ALL of Arians QB's have had turnover issues, every last one of them ( Rothlisberger, Luck, Palmer and Stanton) and professing they have all been "great" isn't doing much looking.

I'm not sure who referred to Arians QB's as "great" in this thread. I didn't.Unquestionably Big Ben would be placed in the franchise category as would Luck. Great? Eh? clearly Ben has been plenty good enough and the signs point to Luck being damn good as well. Frankly Palmer had been a mostly ineffective turnover machine for years before Arians brought him in. Palmer was having a very solid year before his injuries ended his season. Stanton was a guy with no starts in years in the league, a career backup. And to this point he has won which is what he needs to do, exactly what our guy RW has been doing in spite of not quite having his A game. Stanton is a big strong mobile tough kid. His accuracy can be suspect at this point in his career but we will get an up close and personal look real soon which will help us see where each team is at.

Listen HC this isn't a debate i want to win. I hope we are on the forum in 9 days talking about drilling AZ and being 8-3 back in the drivers seat. I'm just saying underestimate Arians and AZ at your peril. 8 teams already found that out.

[HumanCockroach]

I'm not even attempting to debate anything, I'm simply pointing out that Stanton is a huge step down from Palmer ( who despite somes belief in him, isn't, and hasn't been a 'franchise' type qb since his knee injury, which was a long, long time ago). Stanton despite his performance has won some games, the guy IMHO that deserves huge credit is the DC down in Arizona, I certainly didn't see them performing close to as well as they have with all the missing pieces. I am a bit surprised that teams haven't found a way to counter that blitz,blitz, blitz some more defense they employ, we'll see how the rest of the season plays out.

wouldn't be surprised in the least to see them finish 2-5 and miss the playoffs, or still win the division, it isn't set in stone, and arizona has a couple incredibly difficult games on the slate to finish the season.

( by the way, Detroit is IN Arizona, for yet another home game)

[mykc14]

Ummm.... Well, let me re-phrase. Seahawks 1st place in NFC West after our Sunday night game, December 21st, at the Cards. That was actually what I was trying to say with my OP, clearly I just got the date wrong, my bad.