Game Management

[HumanCockroach]

SMH, and you think that 2 yards is more difficult to gain with said depleted line than it is to gain 50 to 60 yards.

LMFAO

[NorthHawk]

Yes, because the field is shorter and they have less field to defend.
There's a good reason they haven't yet allowed a rushing TD - it's the DL.
Look at the results for proof.

[Hawktown]

good thing is that this is a completely opinion related thread and opinion is all it is on which decision is better. no one is right, no one is wrong, though some try to force opinion down the others throat on both sides. SMH!!!

[HumanCockroach]

Odd I don't remember them testing that theory, at least not on the goal line, they did indeed test it after the failed attempt with lots of room to play with, and still came up short. Pretending like a team that hasn't given up a rushing TD, will never gife one up is foolish, and you know it, and if you don't, you should. The idea Seattle was going to have a "better" shot to drive 60 yards ( and that is WITH an assumption that they stop KC from burning time up on an ensuing drive NOT starting from their two yard line) for a SECOND score, when they couldn't garner more than 30 total yards the rest of the way cracks me up.

Whole lot of people ASSuming that because of a made FG from the two ( which is indeed another assumption, based on MATH) that all of a sudden KC's defense was going to become pourous because ? Well just because I suppose. Seattle didn't move that ball much in the second half, and for a change was successful doing so driving them to the two, and we are just supposed to assume everything changes with a FG??? WTF are people thinking?

the GENERAL perception folks, is that going for it was the right call. ( maybe listen to some radio, or read an article or two) and yet everyone here is pretending like those three points was the difference and they "know" it so it makes them right?? Statistically speaking it was the RIGHT call ( the decision to go for it, not necessarily the play call), COACHING decision wise it was the RIGHT call, Situational wise it was the RIGHT call, and no matter HOW much people want it to be the "wrong" call it simply isn't.

I have even seen people claim they were already in a second FG position when they went for the second fourth down play, are you guys serious? They are NOT in that position before the missed TD ( you know cause KC got the ball on the two, which dictated us getting the ball around the fifty) not to mention a 57 yards FG in that situation is highly improbable with the wind, cold and distance.

You guys can keep trying to hang your hats on the better to lose by one, than four theory of game management, I'll stick with the whole trying to WIN the game theory, that Carroll employed in that situation.

There really is NO win in this situation for Carroll, as if he goes for the FG, and doesn't have a chance at a second the same folks would be saying "he should have gone for it" or heaven forbid there is a botched snap, then you get zero, and people bemoan that fact. Carroll was damned if he did, and damned if he didn't, he just happened to go with the BETTER HIGHERPERCENTAGE choice in this instance.

[Hawktawk]

HC you are correct in pointing out the timid or bandwagon fans who start jumping off like rats on a sinking ship at the first sign of trouble. Or the I told you so's who lurk and then pounce as soon as there is a shred of film to support their position. But you on the other hand are a rock solid fan, positive thinker. I like that. But what does it take to get you to be critical of your team or coaches, FO etc? Is there an aspect of Sundays game or something this season you would be critical of?

[Agent 86]

good thing is that this is a completely opinion related thread and opinion is all it is on which decision is better. no one is right, no one is wrong, though some try to force opinion down the others throat on both sides. SMH!!!

Lol...aint that the truth.

For me, I was fully expecting the FG unit to come on and get to within 1 point, thinking that even if KC got a TD the next drive, it would still only be an 8 point lead. And if the D held, all you had to do was get into FG range.

When they went for it, I was not critical of the decision, but thought it was a bit of a risk. I actually liked the call, even though I was surprised.

We can all agree the actual play call was horrific.

I don't think this decision needed its own thread, it could have gone in the "Post Game" Thread.

So I get why HCR is all over River, as River started it by making this a thread to begin with. And not the first time obviously Riv has been critical of Pete. Which in turn irks HCR, hence the "'like clockwork" comment. Lol.

HCR, I gotta say, I enjoy your posts, very passionate ,informative, strong opinions, knowledgable. But the last couple weeks, it seems to me a lot of your responses are in the tone of the ones you give to Future. Maybe too strong to some of the Hawk fans on here?

I don't know, maybe not, just my opinion.

[HumanCockroach]

HC you are correct in pointing out the timid or bandwagon fans who start jumping off like rats on a sinking ship at the first sign of trouble. Or the I told you so's who lurk and then pounce as soon as there is a shred of film to support their position. But you on the other hand are a rock solid fan, positive thinker. I like that. But what does it take to get you to be critical of your team or coaches, FO etc? Is there an aspect of Sundays game or something this season you would be critical of?

I have indeed been critical of this team and this FO, difference being that once I have, I don't feel a huge need to remain so or wait until and observation or belief is verified. I was critical of the loss of McDonald( and have brought it up numerous times, in different posts) yet I don't feel the need to start a thread lambasting the loss, every time there is no interior pressure. I have indeed been critical Wilson's play, and he does indeed deserve his share of the blaim, especially for his problems this year with accuracy. I Have indeed at times been critical of Bevell, Carroll, Cable, the offensive line, Smith at LB, Kam even when he was playing timid and hurt. The difference is, I simply refuse to stay there, or wait until it occurs again five weeks later, I don't harbor grudges, or bias' against MY teams players whether they be a doosche , arse or cancer.

I didn't do it at the PI, and I won't do it here. I have I suppose a more "balanced" view of things, and understand there is MORE to any given performance, situation, and success levels, then simply"this is what I think, and we aren't getting the results, so I am right, see" thought process, I believe this FO will indeed put the best player available on the field, at all times, and while they do indeed "miss" they are few and far between. I think it hypocritical and foolish to assert that a player I didn't like drafted where they were are rubbish, and will be no matter what they contribute or their skill level, without PROVIDING at the very least a viable alternative.

So in short, I believe in this team, it's players and it's FO. I have zero problems discussing issues with them, but will NOT be harping on the same issue everytime it is convenient. Simply do not operate looking for issues, nay, HOPING for issues, just so I can say "see I told you so".

[HumanCockroach]

Agent, sorry man, never my intent to offend anyone, just so sick of the negativity and pessimism, trolls, people who have been waiting to tell everyone "I told you so" ..... far to many people bailing on a team that deserves far more loyalty than 2/3 of a season after winning a Lombardi. Huge shift, and I honestly can't tell if this is a 6-4 team that holds this seasons future in their hands, or the abortion Russkfool and Mora ran out there.

[Agent 86]

Agent, sorry man, never my intent to offend anyone, just so sick of the negativity and pessimism, trolls, people who have been waiting to tell everyone "I told you so" ..... far to many people bailing on a team that deserves far more loyalty than 2/3 of a season after winning a Lombardi. Huge shift, and I honestly can't tell if this is a 6-4 team that holds this seasons future in their hands, or the abortion Russkfool and Mora ran out there.

All good my man, what you said there makes me understand. There are a lot of folk on here who have already given up and are very critical of the team. I know you referenced it before, but I think those people saw the Super Bowl game and the Packers game this year and expected utter dominance all year long. It just doesn't happen that way in the NFL. Expectations (unrealistic) not met = negativity

I for one have always wondered what it must be like to be so negative towards your own team all the time. I see it on the other site I visit of my favourite NHL team.

Funny, but there is a small part of me that will forever forgive any bad decision, whether it be draft pick, play call, or whatever , that is made by this regime. I am forever grateful for the 2013-14 season and how it all unfolded. February 2, 2014 was one of the top 10 best days of my life.

A lot of good folk on here though, some great debates, and I definitely enjoy your input. I miss your old avatar though from the PI...lol..

[HumanCockroach]

miss your old avatar though from the PI...lol..

You're not the only one, but I could do worse than the legend.

[RiverDog]

good thing is that this is a completely opinion related thread and opinion is all it is on which decision is better. no one is right, no one is wrong, though some try to force opinion down the others throat on both sides. SMH!!!

It is an opinion related thread. That's what this forum is about, expressing our opinions. How much fun would this be if all we could talk about is the stat sheet?

I have been very consistent in complaining about Pete Carroll and some of his game management decisions. I even said so when we first hired him back in 2010, pointing out a decision he made in the NC game against Texas that USC lost. IMO it is a weakness of his, and like clockwork, I will point it out EVERY TIME when I see that side of his coaching philosophy showing itself. But in all fairness, I will also rise to his defense if I see a complaint about a decision he makes that I happen to agree with. FYI this is the first time in 10 games this season that I have lodged a complaint regarding the hundreds of Pete's game management decisions he's made this season. I hardly think one complaint in 10 games qualifies one as a hater.

And for the record, I've also complained about a number of game management decisions made by Jim Mora, Mike Holmgren, Dennis Erickson, Tom Flores, Chuck Knox, and Jack Patera. About the only Seahawk head coach I can think of that I didn't complain about at one point or another was Mike McCormick. I consider pissing and moaning about the decisions made by the HC of my favorite team an inalienable right and I will continue to exercise that right as I see fit.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

I'm not so sure about going for the field goal instead of trying to punch it in. The Chiefs were running it very successfully with Mebane out, and I'm not so sure we get the stop if we have to kick off to them with a 1 point lead. It seems to me, that them backed up against their own goal line makes their play calling a more conservative, and it is very difficult to avoid a 3 and out in that situation. Pete only wanted to kick off with a 3 point lead. I didn't like the play call, but I like the rationale.

[Hawktown]

FYI HC, I actually completely agree with your assessment. I can also see the other side of the argument for what it is and can concede. The force of an opinion is what erks me regardless of the side stating their opinion with statistical info or not. We all have opinions and everyone in here has a right to their reasoning and in the same situation we would all likely do as we say we would. I for one was screaming GO FOR IT at the TV, but not like that, lol.

[HumanCockroach]

Fair enough, I did pretty much the same, saying you "have to go for this" followed quickly by "NO!" Not that way , though there was a lot more swearing involved.

[Zorn76]

Chillax, people.
It's all good.