Andrew Luck Does it Again!!!

[mykc14]

He is the man! Once again leading his team to victory. Another 4th quarter, come from behind victory, snatching a win from the clasp of defeat. A 90 yard drive to win the game with seconds left. Clearly he is the best young QB in the nfl. At least that is the headlines we will all read tomorrow. The truth is he had 2 turnovers leading to 14 points for the D, without the Browns O even having to touch the ball. 3 total turnovers, but all we will hear about is the last drive heroics. Honestly I think he has all the tools to become an elite qb in the NFL, but we are all going to be burried in his epic comeback when the reality is he has done this his whole carreer. He puts his team in a hole with 3 turnovers, 2 of which were defensive TD's, and then leads them to a come-from-behind victory and everybody eats it up. RW on the other hand has a great game on the road against an 'elite' team and very little about his performance will be discussed. Oh, well. Keep buying the hype NFL fans we know exactly what we have up here and thank JS and PC we have Russell F-ing Wilson!!!

[jshawaii22]

well, well... Russell did almost have a pass intercepted for a pick6. The East Coast media, they'll take all the style points off for that, I'm sure.

[monkey]

The Colts are a fatally flawed team. They won't get far in the playoffs, I guarantee it. And until Luck stops putting his team into a big hole to start games with boneheaded decisions and picks, then that's all they will ever be, no matter how great the media thinks he is.

[HumanCockroach]

Do you mean he put his team in a hole once again with poor decisions, turnovers and the like and pulled his "goat" and turned it into a "hero" status again? Didn't watch the game, but my guess is he made at LEAST one ( and probably two) moronic plays that directly resulted in Indy falling behind and pulled it out in the last 2 minutes after attemting to "give" the game away again... Is that how it played out? Old story, and not really impressed any longer.

*Edit: I guess I should read the actual opening post as everything I guessed was there for the reading LOL, still pretty amazing that I almost got it spot on without watching or reading about said game. It is after all what he does in the majority of his games....

[mykc14]

Do you mean he put his team in a hole once again with poor decisions, turnovers and the like and pulled his "goat" and turned it into a "hero" status again? Didn't watch the game, but my guess is he made at LEAST one ( and probably two) moronic plays that directly resulted in Indy falling behind and pulled it out in the last 2 minutes after attemting to "give" the game away again... Is that how it played out? Old story, and not really impressed any longer.

*Edit: I guess I should read the actual opening post as everything I guessed was there for the reading LOL, still pretty amazing that I almost got it spot on without watching or reading about said game. It is after all what he does in the majority of his games....

YEP! And that is what I was thinking as I was watching the end of the game. I saw his first two turnovers lead to defensive TD's and thought if they come back and win this people are going to be all over his jock. Then the game switched to the Hawks game before he threw his game winning TD and when they did a game break to show the game winner the annoucer said, "Andrew Luck does it again as he drove his team down 90 yards for the game winning score" and I thought you have got to be crapping me that game was all about Indy's D shutting down Cleveland's O, but nope all about another Luck comeback victory.

[obiken]

WTFlock, do we really care about Luck? Luck is doomed, he wont make it to the AFC title game. Who cares.

[Hawktawk]

If Pettine could think reasonably we would be watching johnny football and i dont think this would be a topic of discussion. Hoyer is brutally bad and wasted field position all game. Manziel could not do worse.

[RiverDog]

WTFlock, do we really care about Luck? Luck is doomed, he wont make it to the AFC title game. Who cares.

It's this Luck vs. Wilson thing that keeps driving these threads. Personally, I don't give a rip because good, bad, or indifferent, Luck is in another conference and it has absolutely no bearing on us. I'm more interested in Colin Kaepernick, Drew Stanton, and Shaun Hill than I am Andrew Luck. Russell could get no press at all or he could get more press than the POTUS and it wouldn't make any difference to me. I'm all about winning, and we're winning now so I'm as happy as a clam.

I agree with Obi. The Colts are not on the same plane with the Pats and Broncos. If you watched the Cots-Pats a few weeks back, you would have seen that there's a huge difference in the two OL's. They'll end up losing in the playoffs to some team like the Steelers.

[mykc14]

WTFlock, do we really care about Luck? Luck is doomed, he wont make it to the AFC title game. Who cares.

Like it or not Luck and RW are going to be forever compared. Really it is a good thing because they are both going to be good for a long time. As Hawk fans we know we have the better guy but all we hear about is how great Luck is and this was a PERFECT example of what he has been: throws a ton of passes (53) for a lot of yards (293, although not nearly as many as usual) has multiple turnovers (3; 2 of which were defensive scores) and then leads his team to 'another' come from behind victory. The main reason I started this was because I knew the narrative before it was even written, and this morning the article on his game was "Andrew Luck works his magic again..."

[Futureite]

He is the man! Once again leading his team to victory. Another 4th quarter, come from behind victory, snatching a win from the clasp of defeat. A 90 yard drive to win the game with seconds left. Clearly he is the best young QB in the nfl. At least that is the headlines we will all read tomorrow. The truth is he had 2 turnovers leading to 14 points for the D, without the Browns O even having to touch the ball. 3 total turnovers, but all we will hear about is the last drive heroics. Honestly I think he has all the tools to become an elite qb in the NFL, but we are all going to be burried in his epic comeback when the reality is he has done this his whole carreer. He puts his team in a hole with 3 turnovers, 2 of which were defensive TD's, and then leads them to a come-from-behind victory and everybody eats it up. RW on the other hand has a great game on the road against an 'elite' team and very little about his performance will be discussed. Oh, well. Keep buying the hype NFL fans we know exactly what we have up here and thank JS and PC we have Russell F-ing Wilson!!!

I believe he has 36 TDs 12 ints? That is an outstanding TD/Int ratio and prob ends in something like a 43/15 ratio. So the idea that he's turning the ball over to at an innordinate rate to the detriment of his team is just ludicrius, silly and should just stop. He produces FAR more than he subtracts, especially for what he is asked to do.

"RW on the otherhand" has a #1 D and a #1 run game. Not sure how many times it has to be saud, but he does not HAVE to do the same things for his team to win. If this yr didn't prove it to you, nothing will. Carroll tried to run the O through RW. It did not work. Period. The result was Harvin being traded and a return to the model that worked for him and your entire team. And that model is #1 D and #1 run game. Don't try to rewrite history now that the coach took the weight off your QBs shoulders and your team is winning again.

There is no way on god's green earth that RW could line up and run that Colt O make the type of throws Luck condistently makes play after play. In fact, that scheme would never work with RW breaking the pocket every other play and turning each possession into backyard/playground ball. It's a precision O based on timing, and nothing in RW's history even remotely suggests he is proficient at that.

I seem to remember RW struggling mightily in plenty of games where the D, Lynch or rW himself turned it around late in the game. You are suppose to praise a QB for that. Not discredit him.

[NorthHawk]

Come on, Futureite you know that Offensively focused teams tailor their Offenses to their starting QB, so the plays they would run with RW would be different than with Luck.
The results would probably be not as many TDs, but also not as many INTs either, but still similar success rates as a team.

The Colts fans wouldn't have to put up with a Neck Beard, either.

[Futureite]

Come on, Futureite you know that Offensively focused teams tailor their Offenses to their starting QB, so the plays they would run with RW would be different than with Luck.
The results would probably be not as many TDs, but also not as many INTs either, but still similar success rates as a team.

The Colts fans wouldn't have to put up with a Neck Beard, either.

I have never said RW "could not" do this - as I believe any human being can theoretically do anything they set their mind to - but to date he has not proven to be a rhythm/timing thrower. He is more comfortable on the move, and there is nothing wrong with that when it works. He fits incredibly well in your system, as do most of the pieces. It is just a very well crafted, cohesive group. A true potential for dynasty.

Could RW be Brees in N.O under Payton? Yrs down the line maybe. Who could say. He is not asked to be that in Seattle, and Luck is in Indy. They are both very good at winning games and both very good QBs. As a fan, that's a that would matter to me.

[NorthHawk]

He hasn't show to consistently be a rhythm passer because the Seahawks system doesn't ask that of him.
Success isn't predicated on being a "type" of QB rather it comes from all types of abilities and how they are utilized.

[burrrton]

Two posts from Future without him yelling "PRO STYLE OFFENSE?" Not like him.

[mykc14]

I believe he has 36 TDs 12 ints? That is an outstanding TD/Int ratio and prob ends in something like a 43/15 ratio. So the idea that he's turning the ball over to at an innordinate rate to the detriment of his team is just ludicrius, silly and should just stop. He produces FAR more than he subtracts, especially for what he is asked to do.

"RW on the otherhand" has a #1 D and a #1 run game. Not sure how many times it has to be saud, but he does not HAVE to do the same things for his team to win. If this yr didn't prove it to you, nothing will. Carroll tried to run the O through RW. It did not work. Period. The result was Harvin being traded and a return to the model that worked for him and your entire team. And that model is #1 D and #1 run game. Don't try to rewrite history now that the coach took the weight off your QBs shoulders and your team is winning again.

There is no way on god's green earth that RW could line up and run that Colt O make the type of throws Luck condistently makes play after play. In fact, that scheme would never work with RW breaking the pocket every other play and turning each possession into backyard/playground ball. It's a precision O based on timing, and nothing in RW's history even remotely suggests he is proficient at that.

I seem to remember RW struggling mightily in plenty of games where the D, Lynch or rW himself turned it around late in the game. You are suppose to praise a QB for that. Not discredit him.

Ahh, LOL at you and your ridiculous ramblings. He actually has 13 INT this season, but don't let the actual stats get in the way, and I was talking about all of his turnovers, including his Dave Kreig esque 12 fumbles in 13 games (6 of which he has lost), so lets go ahead and add those to the equation and he now has 36 TD's to 19 Turnovers which is more in line with what I was talking about. As for the rest of your pointless rant "RW couldn't blah, blah, blah. Look at Harvin blah, blah, blah." Why you need to constantly claim that He can or can't do something that nobody knows for sure is beyond me but go ahead and keep arguing it and nobody else will really care.

[Hawktawk]

RW could do what Luck does a lot better than vice versa. But it keeps Future lathered up so its a fun argument.Luck is just going to be one of the golden boys who is made of teflon, always responsible for wins and never for losses.

As Ive said, I like the guy we have much better.And the RW vs krapperdork debate is officially OVER DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!!

[mykc14]

So I just wanted to add the career numbers to further support my point. In his career he has 82 TD's throwing and 12 Rushing, 40 INT, and 13 lost fumbles which leads to 94 TD's and 53 TO's. Again, I like luck and think he is developing into a really really good/elite talent level qb but too many TO's put his team in a hole too often.

Compare that to RW 69 TD's throwing 10 Rushing, 24 INT's and 8 lost fum= 79 Total TD's to 32 total TO.

Now lets add post season stuff:

Luck 100 total TD's to 61 Turnovers

RW 86 total TD's to 35 total TO.

Wow, the disparity is even worse than I would have thought. Yeah future, your right, I am just trying to re-write history Luck doesn't hurt his team with his constant Turnovers. SMH.

[kalibane]

I guess now that the season is over for the Niners all Future has left is to try and tweak Seahawk fans with the same tired criticisms of Wilson even though there is absolutely zero substance behind it. I guess Pete Carroll determined that Drew Bledsoe couldn't handle passing the ball when he cut down his attempts by 140 per year when he coached New England. I guess he didn't trust Palmer or Leinert to pass the ball when he kept having them hand off to Lendale White and Reggie Bush.

Carroll runs the ball period ... he's not "protecting" anyone.

P.S. Andrew Luck is better this year than Wilson. No way around it. Doesn't mean he's vastly better doesn't mean Wilson wasn't better than Luck the last two years (and he was). Luck has been better this year even if he did have a classic put his team in the hole game and be the savior at the end. The sad thing is if Hoyer even plays a league average game yesterday the Colts lose badly.

[Anthony]

I believe he has 36 TDs 12 ints? That is an outstanding TD/Int ratio and prob ends in something like a 43/15 ratio. So the idea that he's turning the ball over to at an innordinate rate to the detriment of his team is just ludicrius, silly and should just stop. He produces FAR more than he subtracts, especially for what he is asked to do.

"RW on the otherhand" has a #1 D and a #1 run game. Not sure how many times it has to be saud, but he does not HAVE to do the same things for his team to win. If this yr didn't prove it to you, nothing will. Carroll tried to run the O through RW. It did not work. Period. The result was Harvin being traded and a return to the model that worked for him and your entire team. And that model is #1 D and #1 run game. Don't try to rewrite history now that the coach took the weight off your QBs shoulders and your team is winning again.

There is no way on god's green earth that RW could line up and run that Colt O make the type of throws Luck condistently makes play after play. In fact, that scheme would never work with RW breaking the pocket every other play and turning each possession into backyard/playground ball. It's a precision O based on timing, and nothing in RW's history even remotely suggests he is proficient at that.

I seem to remember RW struggling mightily in plenty of games where the D, Lynch or rW himself turned it around late in the game. You are suppose to praise a QB for that. Not discredit him.

Well first off it is 36 tds and 13 ints and 11 fumbles with 6 lost, so a total of 18 turnovers

Second your whole thought process is completely wrong, Rw would have no problem running the Colt offense, he would not have to break the pocket as there would be a pocket long enough to get the throw off to WR that are much better than what he has now. Rw has run that style of offense in college and excelled. However luck has never run what we run so it is highly likely he would fail here.

Let me help you again since you still do not get it. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol
Indy oline in pass blocking ranked 6th
Seattles ranked 28th

Iindys Wr ranked top 5th Seattle not even listed http://cover32.com/2014/06/10/power-ran ... ing-corps/

Like I have told you over and over again know your facts because as always your wrong.

[Anthony]

I guess now that the season is over for the Niners all Future has left is to try and tweak Seahawk fans with the same tired criticisms of Wilson even though there is absolutely zero substance behind it. I guess Pete Carroll determined that Drew Bledsoe couldn't handle passing the ball when he cut down his attempts by 140 per year when he coached New England. I guess he didn't trust Palmer or Leinert to pass the ball when he kept having them hand off to Lendale White and Reggie Bush.

Carroll runs the ball period ... he's not "protecting" anyone.

P.S. Andrew Luck is better this year than Wilson. No way around it. Doesn't mean he's vastly better doesn't mean Wilson wasn't better than Luck the last two years (and he was). Luck has been better this year even if he did have a classic put his team in the hole game and be the savior at the end. The sad thing is if Hoyer even plays a league average game yesterday the Colts lose badly.

Agree Luck has played better, but again look at the facts, better oline, better wr, easier schedule, passing offense, RW would have a field day on INDY.

[HumanCockroach]

but to date he has not proven to be a rhythm/timing thrower

You know, this brings up an interesting point IMHO. What is it that absoluely destroys this thought process?? The fact that timing and rythm are two things a defense ( at least an elite one) most definitely CAN control, disrupt and dismantle each and every time they face a QB that thrives on that. The thing that makes Rodgers, and Luck different than say a Manning, or a Foles, Brees, Brady etc, is that they have a little bit of what Wilson has, the ability to move and buy time. Wilson does it more, and better than both, but it is NOT the "rythm/timing" thing that makes them special.

What amazes me, is how consistently Wilson does things that people like Future would be falling all over himself admiring if it WAS Rodgers or Luck, but because Wilson does it so incredibly often, and so incredibly successfully, that it is almost a too much of a good thing, is bad situation. I'll gladly admit Wilson doesn't play the "standard" stand there and get hit, pat the ball, count to three and throw, the receiver better be there offensive scheme, great, you play Jacksonville or Tennessee a couple times, you can get away with it, as well as multiple boneheaded stupid rookie throws poor decision turnovers and still win, in the playoffs, that simply doesn't work. And Luck is a PRIME example of that.

[Anthony]

You know, this brings up an interesting point IMHO. What is it that absoluely destroys this thought process?? The fact that timing and rythm are two things a defense ( at least an elite one) most definitely CAN control, disrupt and dismantle each and every time they face a QB that thrives on that. The thing that makes Rodgers, and Luck different than say a Manning, or a Foles, Brees, Brady etc, is that they have a little bit of what Wilson has, the ability to move and buy time. Wilson does it more, and better than both, but it is NOT the "rythm/timing" thing that makes them special.

What amazes me, is how consistently Wilson does things that people like Future would be falling all over himself admiring if it WAS Rodgers or Luck, but because Wilson does it so incredibly often, and so incredibly successfully, that it is almost a too much of a good thing, is bad situation. I'll gladly admit Wilson doesn't play the "standard" stand there and get hit, pat the ball, count to three and throw, the receiver better be there offensive scheme, great, you play Jacksonville or Tennessee a couple times, you can get away with it, as well as multiple boneheaded stupid rookie throws poor decision turnovers and still win, in the playoffs, that simply doesn't work. And Luck is a PRIME example of that.

Agreed but there have been some occasions, are were they have thrown a timing pass, I believe there was a quick slant to DB in the SB and other times. So Rw has shown he can do it, when needed to and of course as pointed out he did it in college also. However there are 3 thing stopping him form doing it all the time here is Seattle, the offensive scheme, the Wr and the oline. Of course now will come Future excuses why those timing patterns do not count, or some other falsehood. The reality is almost any QB can play in a rhythm and timing offense, it just means you throw to a spot were the WR should be, not really hard at all, especially with the oline, WRs and schedule Luck has had. I mean top 10 oline and WRs and having only played 1 top 10 defense all year to date. Really, Meanwhile so you know Future Rw has played 5 already.

[mykc14]

Well first off it is 36 tds and 13 ints and 11 fumbles with 6 lost, so a total of 18 turnovers

That's 19 turnovers, like I posted a few hours ago.

[Anthony]

That's 19 turnovers, like I posted a few hours ago.

agreed by bad